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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:59:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:
2. Don't want to post as your replies mostly come across as troll-ish, even though you state they are not.
Highlight these, please. Otherwise don't make accusatory statements with no substance. Already had earlier in the thread. Those were refuted, and had no merit in any case as they were judged by baseless assumption and no real fact. Yet you still make statements that my replies mostly come across as troll-ish. Trolling is not having a differing viewpoint. Trolling is replying with inflammatory responses designed to de-rail and or cause a desired response in others that is almost always negative. You are the troll. You replying =/= a refute. Far more people liked my post, and other posts similar to mine than any of yours. Maybe "bait" would be a more accurate term than "troll" If anything, hopefully you have learned that there are far fewer mindless mission grinders in EVE than you maybe had expected. I think it is fair to surmise from this thread, which holds true to the people I know in game, that a majority of mission runners are doing it as a means of generating isk for other activities.
Actually my replies are a direct refute and since your points were based on nothing but generalization and assumption, they lack fact. Without a fact, if I say it isn't so, it isn't so.
Your posts got liked because there are other incompetent morons who read these threads, just like you, and agree with your flawed points because they would make the same.
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:07:00 -
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I would suggest taking your posts which lack thought process and planning elsewhere, Derath. When you make comments like:
Derath Ellecon wrote: He may not even realize he's trolling, but he is.
it really shows how dimwitted you are. It is impossible to "troll" without knowing you are trolling. You make baseless assumptions, and then don't back them up and take them in another direction when you are refuted. And not just by me, there was another person who voiced their displeasure over your inability to read after your very first post in the thread. Go somewhere more appropriate to your intelligence, like Crime & Punishment.
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countertroll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:49:00 -
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You're one of the better trolls I've seen, I'll give you that much. Your original post was laden with inflammatory comments and both the wording and the general tone were clearly confrontational. Your implicit message was "missions suck, how can you be so unimaginative and so unambitious as to continue on." But you know that already. Kudos, sir, kudos.
Also, if you're not playing, what are you doing? If you're no longer missioning that doesn't leave you with a lot of options. I have to ask, if you don't play EVE anymore, why are you posting and why do you give a ****? |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:55:00 -
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countertroll wrote:You're one of the better trolls I've seen, I'll give you that much. Your original post was laden with inflammatory comments and both the wording and the general tone were clearly confrontational. Your implicit message was "missions suck, how can you be so unimaginative and so unambitious as to continue on." But you know that already. Kudos, sir, kudos.
Also, if you're not playing, what are you doing? If you're no longer missioning that doesn't leave you with a lot of options. I have to ask, if you don't play EVE anymore, why are you posting and why do you give a ****?
I was bored in class, software engineering in college has some boring classes, so I decided to ask an arbitrary question that I wanted an answer to.
The wording and general tone is not confrontational, perhaps blunt. That is the type of person I am. |
countertroll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:57:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:countertroll wrote:You're one of the better trolls I've seen, I'll give you that much. Your original post was laden with inflammatory comments and both the wording and the general tone were clearly confrontational. Your implicit message was "missions suck, how can you be so unimaginative and so unambitious as to continue on." But you know that already. Kudos, sir, kudos.
Also, if you're not playing, what are you doing? If you're no longer missioning that doesn't leave you with a lot of options. I have to ask, if you don't play EVE anymore, why are you posting and why do you give a ****? I was bored in class, software engineering in college has some boring classes, so I decided to ask an arbitrary question that I wanted an answer to. The wording and general tone is not confrontational, perhaps blunt. That is the type of person I am. still excellent sir. calm tone. just enough to invite comment and counterpoint and drag it out. what's giving you away right now is how quickly you're posting. patience, sir, is your only missing virtue. don't worry, one day you can join the ranks of the Greater Trolls. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:01:00 -
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countertroll wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:countertroll wrote:You're one of the better trolls I've seen, I'll give you that much. Your original post was laden with inflammatory comments and both the wording and the general tone were clearly confrontational. Your implicit message was "missions suck, how can you be so unimaginative and so unambitious as to continue on." But you know that already. Kudos, sir, kudos.
Also, if you're not playing, what are you doing? If you're no longer missioning that doesn't leave you with a lot of options. I have to ask, if you don't play EVE anymore, why are you posting and why do you give a ****? I was bored in class, software engineering in college has some boring classes, so I decided to ask an arbitrary question that I wanted an answer to. The wording and general tone is not confrontational, perhaps blunt. That is the type of person I am. still excellent sir. calm tone. just enough to invite comment and counterpoint and drag it out. what's giving you away right now is how quickly you're posting. patience, sir, is your only missing virtue. don't worry, one day you can join the ranks of the Greater Trolls.
I tend to reply to something when I notice that there is a response, I have two monitors and it popped up with a (1) in the tab containing this thread. I don't see the purpose in making people wait for responses, or fairy language designed to placate people.
Your viewpoint on trolling and your name has an odd disconnect.
Edit: And stop de-railing my thread. |
countertroll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:04:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Edit: And stop de-railing my thread. Classic! Pure win, sir! Pure win! |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.25 08:07:00 -
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You know what is most amusing about this thread? I just re-subscribed, partially because of this thread, and what am I doing? Missioning. |
Tanjo Janau
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.25 12:43:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:You know what is most amusing about this thread? I just re-subscribed, partially because of this thread, and what am I doing? Missioning.
:What is your goal? |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:36:00 -
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Tanjo Janau wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:You know what is most amusing about this thread? I just re-subscribed, partially because of this thread, and what am I doing? Missioning. :What is your goal?
To blitz them all. |
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Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
18
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Posted - 2011.11.02 10:22:00 -
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I only run missions because I want to be able to replace my ships. If I didn't run missions, I wouldn't earn as much ISK, and it's about a dozen times more fun and profitable than running DED complexes just to have some ****** come and kill the enemy that drops the good loot, so I don't get that. At least missions are reliable. I have yet to experience anyone Ninja-salvaging my missions (then again, I don't give a damn about the salvage. I just want the bounties and mission rewards, so I wouldn't need to worry about Ninja-looters). |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
30
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Posted - 2011.11.02 13:24:00 -
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Missions - meh
Well first off I'm the wrong person to answer this as missions are not by any means my main activity but I do at times end up running quite a few of them. Here are a few reasons why:
- Standings - needed for all kinds of stuff, the best way to get standings is still through missions.
- Testing ships - some people like the test server, when I want to try out a new combat ship or setup I take it on a few missions. It allows me to see how the ship performs overall and helps me to understand how it handles. Usually the ship then gets adapted for a purpose (generally exploration) but missions are predictable enough that they make good benchmark for testing.
- Training pilots - yes I mean it. Mission running is a safeish way to introduce pilots to the basics of fitting and flying. Things like the basics of tanking, optimizing damage etc. can be well illustrated in a mission environment.
- Pass the time - Sometimes I've just got a half hour and nothing else to do. (especially when I'm too tired to think :p) then I'll pop a mission for laughs.
I do, sincerely wish missions were more variable and challenging, or to be exact that you could run missions in a more variable and challenging environment (from someone who has spent time running missions in nullsec) but I'm guessing that's not going to happen any time soon. |
OllieNorth
R-K Industries Sexy Alliance
7
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:30:00 -
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I'm on the same page as a lot of people in here. When I was playing and missioning almost constantly, it was mainly because I was relatively low SP and couldn't do things like null sec and exploration well. I have tried PvP and suck at it, and I don't have the patience or time in my life to sit around on a roam for an hour and a half trying to find a lonely ratter to gank. I quite frankly found the whole nullsec roam and highsec station camping PvP to be far less interesting than running missions. Add to that my general lack of ability, so that when I did get into a fight, I almost always lost it.
Mainly though, it was a matter of ISK. I am prone to doing stupid things with my ships, and as a result, never seem to have enough ISK to replace them, much less upgrade to the T2 hulls I recently trained to. Since I have gotten to know the game better, I have been doing some exploration, but even then there is a lot of down time. Missions are great because I can just hop in and be doing something.
TL;DR I am bad at PvP and find it generally less interesting, Missions are a quick fix that I don't die in all the time. |
Salo Aldeland
Luma Operations
0
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:34:00 -
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New-ish player here. My goal when I started Eve was to get into the exploration type of career path, but as a beginner scanning down sites took forever and most of the time, the sites I found were either emptied out before I got there or to heavy for my puny vessels to handle. Missioning has given me a less frustrating way to buy a bunch of different ships and fits, find out what I like and don't like in a vessel, and get to know the game while my skills improve. |
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
5
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Posted - 2011.11.02 16:21:00 -
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I like to 'mix n match' and am involved in a number of different EVE professsions. I reckon there are probably very few pilots that just do missions. I do missions for the following reasons:
1) I enjoy doing them. 2) To increase my standings with factions & corps for 'industrial reasons' including refining and to access the higher rated COSMOS agents. 3) For the salvage and ship fittings/equipment/tags/loot. 4) For the iskies. :) 5) I like the stories/politics and would like to see this aspect expanded although I don't expect it to happen. 6) For the LP to get implants/skillbooks/modules etc that I would like to have. 7) I like to round my standings to 10.0 with agents for completion sake.(That is a little sad. Not one of main targets in-game now.) |
Ja'kar
RONA Midgard Academy RONA Directorate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.10 17:02:00 -
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Somedays I like missoning, other days I am just skint. I see mission running as mining with guns. Also, since I been away so long misson running is a good way to get back into eve. Although, having said that I am looking forward to learning about new aspects of eve pvp and pve.
Too be honest, I will allways have a mission ship in the hanger as a last resort!
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
18
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Posted - 2011.12.10 18:08:00 -
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I have the pie-in-the-sky goal of 8+ standing with every NPC corp in game. According to my calculations, I'm more than 10% of the way there (7 corps at 8+ standing, 18 additional corps at perfect refine which is roughly 6+ standing for me). If I had serious internet over this last summer, I'd probably have about double those numbers.
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IceBergSlim
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.11 10:07:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Goose99 wrote:A better question would be: why do you care? You know how people say there is no such thing as a stupid question?
I believe it is 'the only stupid question is the unasked one', no? |
IceBergSlim
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.11 10:11:00 -
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To OP,
My main has been playing since '04, and has run missions for approximately half that time. For me, it's escapism. I now have four children [already had two prior to discovering EvE] and anyone with a young family will understand that you simply cannot commit to anything other than solo ventures.
I kinda do most stuff now in EvE, PvP, PvE, Incursions, etc, etc so don't have to solely rely on missioning for my 'escape'.
An interesting thread. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
176
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Posted - 2011.12.11 10:59:00 -
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I mission for a few various reasons.
1: Instant gratification - You undock, warp and shoot all within 5 minutes of logging on.
2: Experimentation - Trying out various shipfits and setups, not to mention getting the ISK from it to do dream setups that involve really expensive shiny ships and/or fittings.
3: Self challenging - "Right I just run AE4 in the space of 25 minutes, now how do I cut that down to under 20.." And then doing it all in a single bounty clear.
4: There's days where I'm an antisocial bastard who really doesn't want to put up with dealing with others, a day's missioning gives me something to do without being dependant on a group, and is productive to my isk balance.
5: Because I make rigs and have Scrapmetal Processing trained to make more isk.
TL:DR - Different strokes for different folks. |
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IceBergSlim
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.11 13:00:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:I mission for a few various reasons....
TL:DR - Different strokes for different folks.
QFT
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El Boracho
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.12.11 16:29:00 -
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Ahh did the mean missioners cause you to cry? I am sure they like your tears.
When you ask a question with as much personal bias that you have let leak through it shows your true intent and immediately pisses people off.
Missions are fun for me in small doses, trade is fun for me in small doses, pvp is fun for me in small doses, etc, etc. Its part of the game and provides some variety.
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Doriana Grey
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.11 19:02:00 -
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I run missions during the week so I can wear my +5 implants while I farm isk. On the weekend I jumpclone back to my corp's station in nullsec and pvp it up with no implants to loose.
I used to run havens and all that during the week, but it got hectic around our region and I don't log enough hours mon-fri to wait out station camps and still turn enough profit to pay for my weekend pvp habits. It does feel a little dirty being in empire so much these days, but the alternative is to go back to flying rifters. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
26
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Posted - 2011.12.11 21:56:00 -
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El Boracho wrote:Ahh did the mean missioners cause you to cry? I am sure they like your tears.
When you ask a question with as much personal bias that you have let leak through it shows your true intent and immediately pisses people off.
Missions are fun for me in small doses, trade is fun for me in small doses, pvp is fun for me in small doses, etc, etc. Its part of the game and provides some variety.
I find it amusing that I'm API verified on battleclinic (last I checked, might not be with the new API system if the old key is no longer valid) so you can tell exactly what I do with this character. It's clearly not pvp and lol mining. Yet you still think I hate missioners and missioning. |
Nullbeard Rager
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.12.11 22:52:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:SECOND EDIT: Thank you for all the replies from the people who do not qualify under the criteria below. Your replies have not been helpful. To the people who feel that they need to analyse the motive behind my creation of said thread, you are equally useless to the point of the topic, but entertaining nonetheless. To any mission runners who actually replied to the thread with a good answer that I missed, I apologise, the general replies to this thread have killed my interest, which was a fleeting and spontaneous one to begin with.
Why do you mission endlessly? I'm not talking to the people who fuel their expensive pvp habits with missioning, I'm talking about the people who mission and mission to get more ISK, to get a bigger ship so you can get more ISK faster.
Why? I'm curious. Is mission running therapeutic? Is it fun to you? Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression? Unlike most other treadmill games that attach effort to progress EVE does not do that. Ships are disposable, even expensive ships with expensive modules can eventually be replaced. The illusion of progress in this game is skill points which are static in gain. No effort you make improves your character itself in any way, only time does that. Where is the carrot to actively chase?
This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago.
This is a game and thus 99% utterly pointless and silly.
Other than learning some business skills and some teamwork and fleet command skills, (most of which are far more applicable to EVE than to real life, yet not entirely without merit), it's a time sink.
If you are asking people why they spend time here, then ask that.
If you are NOT a troll and really just want a pep talk to keep you in the game then next time say "missions feel pointless to me now" and save everyone the reading of your VERY trollish looking post, okay? |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2011.12.11 23:17:00 -
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I Just guess that there are no players in EVE that do only missioning. But, for most players it is one way amongst many others to make ISK, fill in play time etc.
So maybe find the lonely only missioners first.
Och, and yes I mission too, amongst all other activity's in EVE. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
26
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Posted - 2011.12.11 23:21:00 -
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Nullbeard Rager wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:SECOND EDIT: Thank you for all the replies from the people who do not qualify under the criteria below. Your replies have not been helpful. To the people who feel that they need to analyse the motive behind my creation of said thread, you are equally useless to the point of the topic, but entertaining nonetheless. To any mission runners who actually replied to the thread with a good answer that I missed, I apologise, the general replies to this thread have killed my interest, which was a fleeting and spontaneous one to begin with.
Why do you mission endlessly? I'm not talking to the people who fuel their expensive pvp habits with missioning, I'm talking about the people who mission and mission to get more ISK, to get a bigger ship so you can get more ISK faster.
Why? I'm curious. Is mission running therapeutic? Is it fun to you? Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression? Unlike most other treadmill games that attach effort to progress EVE does not do that. Ships are disposable, even expensive ships with expensive modules can eventually be replaced. The illusion of progress in this game is skill points which are static in gain. No effort you make improves your character itself in any way, only time does that. Where is the carrot to actively chase?
This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago. This is a game and thus 99% utterly pointless and silly. Other than learning some business skills and some teamwork and fleet command skills, (most of which are far more applicable to EVE than to real life, yet not entirely without merit), it's a time sink. If you are asking people why they spend time here, then ask that. If you are NOT a troll and really just want a pep talk to keep you in the game then next time say "missions feel pointless to me now" and save everyone the reading of your VERY trollish looking post, okay?
Read the thread before responding, it makes you look inept.
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Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2011.12.11 23:23:00 -
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OP seems to be trolling coz in another topic he claims to play mission lvl IV's???????????
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=44197&find=unread |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
26
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Posted - 2011.12.11 23:23:00 -
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Flurk Hellbron wrote:I Just guess that there are no players in EVE that do only missioning. But, for most players it is one way amongst many others to make ISK, fill in play time etc.
So maybe find the lonely only missioners first.
Och, and yes I mission too, amongst all other activity's in EVE.
That's the conclusion that the thread had come to but since I started playing again that has not been my experience. I have met multiple hard core mission bears who mission all day just to get more isk to pimp out their already ludicrously fit ship or get a more pimp ship to fly more missions, so they are out there. They are not the majority for sure, and they clearly are not forum readers. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
26
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Posted - 2011.12.11 23:25:00 -
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I had burned out on EVE months ago when this topic was started. I have since come back and while I still do not enjoy running the missions themselves, the easy ISK they supply me with to fund my other characters is desirable. |
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