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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 10:28:00 -
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Why do you mission endlessly? I'm not talking to the people who fuel their expensive pvp habits with missioning, I'm talking about the people who mission and mission to get more ISK, to get a bigger ship so you can get more ISK faster.
Why? I'm curious. Is mission running therapeutic? Is it fun to you? Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression? Unlike most other treadmill games that attach effort to progress EVE does not do that. Ships are disposable, even expensive ships with expensive modules can eventually be replaced. The illusion of progress in this game is skill points which are static in gain. No effort you make improves your character itself in any way, only time does that. Where is the carrot to actively chase?
This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago. |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.10.19 10:49:00 -
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To be the very best, that no one ever was, to blitz them all is my real cause? |
Belthazor4011
2cents Inc
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 10:51:00 -
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U mad bro?
Now that we got that covered, newer/better/faster ships is a form of improvement. So that respect unless you've reached the ultimate ship that alone can be a reason to do it.
Some people just like being rich in a virtual world. Tons of big games have no real end game, people play Sim City, The Sims etc over and over and the only thing you can reach is a better city or a better job. How is that different from a better ship?!
Some just like seeing how fast they can do it either alone or with friends, some just like to see with which ships they can do it. A lvl 4 with a frig for instance.
Some do it because it beats listening to a nagging parter and/or kids.
Anyways there is not a single answer, so many players so many reasons. I am sure people can think of many more then the few that I just mentioned. |
Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
4
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Posted - 2011.10.19 10:55:00 -
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Personnally, I do missions to pay for my GTCs.
That's 800M every two months. I'm playing maybe 4 hours a week, and missions allow me to jump right into the action. I tried Incursions, but it's really annoying having to wait for other people to join.
As for the limited amount of missions, well when I'm bored I just change factions ;) |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 11:35:00 -
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Belthazor4011 wrote:
Anyways there is not a single answer, so many players so many reasons. I am sure people can think of many more then the few that I just mentioned.
That is the point of this question, of course there is more than one answer as there are many unique individuals playing this game, and I am curious to see the spread of reasons.
The ship to me is not a form of improvement as the ship is a disposable tool.
I definitely think you nailed it hard on the head with the being rich and/or powerful in a virtual world. That seems like it would be a very common one, even if many people don't like to admit it as it tends to be judged by others as petty and pathetic, which it isn't really.
St Mio wrote:To be the very best, that no one ever was, to blitz them all is my real cause?
Liked. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 11:41:00 -
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Sam Bowein wrote:Personnally, I do missions to pay for my GTCs.
That's 800M every two months. I'm playing maybe 4 hours a week, and missions allow me to jump right into the action. I tried Incursions, but it's really annoying having to wait for other people to join.
As for the limited amount of missions, well when I'm bored I just change factions ;)
This was my mindset down to the "t" for a few months. But that too lost purpose when I realized that I was just playing so I could play, and not for enjoyment. I found no challenge in missions after I got my Machariel, not that there was any challenge in an Arty Maelstrom either, it just took longer.
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Jessica Issier
1
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Posted - 2011.10.19 12:23:00 -
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I see missioning as a means to an end, the end being blowing other people up
But I did realize that there are FAR better ways to make money and stopped running them a while ago |
XXSketchxx
Remote Soviet Industries
32
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Posted - 2011.10.19 12:27:00 -
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St Mio wrote:To be the very best, that no one ever was, to blitz them all is my real cause?
This woman is a liar. She does not mission.
I KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE. |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2011.10.19 14:14:00 -
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I mission when I get bored gatecamping and shooting ppl in a blob.
Btw, why do you do what you do in a sandbox? It's all-so-pointless... |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
28
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Posted - 2011.10.19 14:19:00 -
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Personally, I can't stand grinding missions. I like being able to do a bit of everything though, just because I like changing up what I do every now and then. I'll run a couple lvl 4 missions every now and then when I feel like blowing stuff up but don't really feel like going through much effort.
I did run missions fairly constantly for a bit, a long time ago, and I was doing it mostly for the ISK, but I find them too boring to do constantly. Now a days I do them half for the fun of blowing some stuff up and half for a bit of extra ISK on the side. |
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 14:37:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:I mission when I get bored gatecamping and shooting ppl in a blob. Btw, why do you do what you do in a sandbox? It's all-so-pointless...
Almost true, I found purpose in suicide ganking other people while I still played for a while, to harvest tears. That was fun for a while.
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Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2011.10.19 14:42:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Goose99 wrote:I mission when I get bored gatecamping and shooting ppl in a blob. Btw, why do you do what you do in a sandbox? It's all-so-pointless... Almost true, I found purpose in suicide ganking other people while I still played for a while, to harvest tears. That was fun for a while.
CCP appreciates your service at assisting in cancellation of player subscriptions. |
Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
202
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Posted - 2011.10.19 15:06:00 -
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"For the love of god make the missioning stop so I can go back to PVP." |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2011.10.19 15:10:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:"For the love of god make the missioning stop so I can go back to PVP."
Buy gametime and sell plex, bum |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2011.10.19 15:42:00 -
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Agent, Corporation and Faction Standings. |
Anvil44
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
16
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:00:00 -
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I like to blow things up. Not interested in PvP yet as my free time is too limited to commit to this right now. Maybe sometime in the future but for now, missions fit the bill perfectly cause you can always (unless scrammed) warp away to a station if RL calls. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
17
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:14:00 -
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Self righteous much? The bigger question is why do you care? Seem people like PVP. some people like PVE. Some people enjoy missions. Some people enjoy sitting in station and trading all day. Some people I know run 6 clients (yes 6) in a mining gang all day and then build stuff.
I would venture to guess each person does these activities because they find it enjoyable.
For me, I do it all. I run missions, but eventually get bored. I do some high/low/null pve (exploration). I go on PVP roams with friends.
For me, when I run missions I enjoy kind of 2 aspects. First it's easy isk to rebuild the coffers. I also enjoy running the same missions and see how I can be more efficient. Kind of like racing against myself.
But again I am more curious, why do you care what others find enjoyable? |
Nex apparatu5
Not a Shell Corp
11
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Posted - 2011.10.19 18:01:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Self righteous much? The bigger question is why do you care? Seem people like PVP. some people like PVE. Some people enjoy missions. Some people enjoy sitting in station and trading all day. Some people I know run 6 clients (yes 6) in a mining gang all day and then build stuff.
I would venture to guess each person does these activities because they find it enjoyable.
For me, I do it all. I run missions, but eventually get bored. I do some high/low/null pve (exploration). I go on PVP roams with friends.
For me, when I run missions I enjoy kind of 2 aspects. First it's easy isk to rebuild the coffers. I also enjoy running the same missions and see how I can be more efficient. Kind of like racing against myself.
But again I am more curious, why do you care what others find enjoyable? You are the reason this forum needs a downvote feature.
Seriously, did you even read the thread? |
Fozzy Dorsai
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 18:42:00 -
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1) I like blowing things up. PVE let's me blow things up. 2) I like ISK. Blowing things up in PVE gives me ISK. Goal is 100B. I need to go blow up more things. 3) I like trading. I don't like fees. Missions give me standings which lower my trading fees. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
17
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Posted - 2011.10.19 18:46:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:You are the reason this forum needs a downvote feature.
Seriously, did you even read the thread?
Of course I did. I especially enjoyed the OP's statement
I accidentally Your ship wrote:This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago.
When this so obviously is a troll. His statement above is essentially a polite way of asking "how the hell do you people do the same thing over and over again without your head exploding?"
This is further reinforced by his replies such as
I accidentally Your ship wrote:This was my mindset down to the "t" for a few months. But that too lost purpose when I realized that I was just playing so I could play, and not for enjoyment. I found no challenge in missions after I got my Machariel, not that there was any challenge in an Arty Maelstrom either, it just took longer.
Which is very much "I used to be just like you until I saw the light"
He may not even realize he's trolling, but he is.
So IMO my question back is valid. The only reason I have seen that he would care to know why others mission is so he can follow up with "yea I used to be just like you until I realized it was lame" or "but seriously, how can you enjoy that?"
Interesting he also posed the same "how can you possibly enjoy mining" type thread in Industry. Yet he doesn't have a "How can you guys stand to PVP all day?" in warfare or C&P. |
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:36:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:
When this so obviously is a troll. His statement above is essentially a polite way of asking "how the hell do you people do the same thing over and over again without your head exploding?"
Actually this is a valid viewpoint, this task is tedious and boring to me, I did it for a few months but could not keep it up for longer. That being said humans are not clones of each other, what is boring to one has some value for another. That's why there are differing genres of games.
I want to know what specific enjoyment people get out of it, because I'm curious. You know that thing that makes some people want to discover things and learn new things, not just know what they are told?
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Which is very much "I used to be just like you until I saw the light"
Not at all, there is no light as there is no right and wrong viewpoint. Just people who enjoy different things.
**** this forum is so jaded, I'm glad there are at least some serious answers in my threads.
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:36:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Self righteous much? The bigger question is why do you care? Seem people like PVP. some people like PVE. Some people enjoy missions. Some people enjoy sitting in station and trading all day. Some people I know run 6 clients (yes 6) in a mining gang all day and then build stuff.
I would venture to guess each person does these activities because they find it enjoyable.
For me, I do it all. I run missions, but eventually get bored. I do some high/low/null pve (exploration). I go on PVP roams with friends.
For me, when I run missions I enjoy kind of 2 aspects. First it's easy isk to rebuild the coffers. I also enjoy running the same missions and see how I can be more efficient. Kind of like racing against myself.
But again I am more curious, why do you care what others find enjoyable? You are the reason this forum needs a downvote feature. Seriously, did you even read the thread?
Liked.
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:40:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:. Yet he doesn't have a "How can you guys stand to PVP all day?" in warfare or C&P.
Because I know I would be greeted with a WAVE of raging pvpers that would whip into a raging lynch mob at the slightest hint that pvp isn't interesting or fair in this game.
You want to know my viewpoint on pvp in this game? Terribly one sided in almost all non-dueling situations that no amount of skill will get you out of because hey it requires no skill! Tactical planning? Sure! Strategy, you bet. Guess what else requires those things? Missioning. The only difference is the strategies and tactics are static because the fights are static. Therein lies the ONLY difference and it is not a particularly good one. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:45:00 -
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Jessica Issier wrote:I see missioning as a means to an end, the end being blowing other people up But I did realize that there are FAR better ways to make money and stopped running them a while ago
This is not the type of response I'm really interested in. I'm looking for the viewpoints of the so-judged "carebear" crowd. The people who mission for better ships to mission, not the people who mission for ISK to blow other people up, I already see that viewpoint it was one of mine when I had a subscription. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
19
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:24:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Nex apparatu5 wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Self righteous much? The bigger question is why do you care? Seem people like PVP. some people like PVE. Some people enjoy missions. Some people enjoy sitting in station and trading all day. Some people I know run 6 clients (yes 6) in a mining gang all day and then build stuff.
I would venture to guess each person does these activities because they find it enjoyable.
For me, I do it all. I run missions, but eventually get bored. I do some high/low/null pve (exploration). I go on PVP roams with friends.
For me, when I run missions I enjoy kind of 2 aspects. First it's easy isk to rebuild the coffers. I also enjoy running the same missions and see how I can be more efficient. Kind of like racing against myself.
But again I am more curious, why do you care what others find enjoyable? You are the reason this forum needs a downvote feature. Seriously, did you even read the thread? Liked. EDIT: I also wonder why this person thinks I'm self-righteous. "Self-righteousness (also called sanctimoniousness, sententiousness, a holier-than-thou attitude[1]) is a feeling of (usually) smug moral superiority[2] derived from a sense that one's beliefs, actions, or affiliations are of greater virtue than those of the average person." according to Lolipedia. I never put down the people who mission, if you feel that me finding something boring is putting it down then you are a very odd person. I can find something boring, that doesn't make me self-righteous, that just gives me a preference.
Probably because most of the time a thread like this is exactly that.
I mean honestly, I am curious what you expected to get out of this thread. You have made it clear the mission grind isn't for you. It clearly is for others. Where you hoping someone would say "i like missions because..." and you would suddenly be like "wow if only i did missions for that reason maybe i'd enjoy it!"
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:27:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:
Probably because most of the time a thread like this is exactly that.
I mean honestly, I am curious what you expected to get out of this thread. You have made it clear the mission grind isn't for you. It clearly is for others. Where you hoping someone would say "i like missions because..." and you would suddenly be like "wow if only i did missions for that reason maybe i'd enjoy it!"
Don't get me wrong, I did not come here to get convinced that missioning was something interesting to do. I just came here purely out of boredom to converse and the viewpoints of some people that are not similar to my own was something I was curious about, as clearly I do not understand their viewpoint, it is not mine.
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Josefine Etrange
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:20:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:I mission when I get bored gatecamping and shooting ppl in a blob. Btw, why do you do what you do in a sandbox? It's all-so-pointless... You know that life is the biggest sandbox we found so far? ;-) |
Desudes
Pixelmoon The Star League
3
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:25:00 -
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Some people just like it. It is just a different viewpoint that you are running into; same reason one chick might like giving blowjobs and another wouldn't.
I do whatever I'm in the mood for which lately has been exploring in an all-in-one fit Proteus while I set up my 3 account solo mining op to explore industry in EVE. EVE PvP reminds me of sex: there is a long build-up often made frustrating by idiots; a semi-tense and semi-fun stretch to get into business that you try to keep quick; an all too short climax where you pray nothing goes wrong, and you're probably going to go home with less money then you started with. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
19
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Posted - 2011.10.20 00:08:00 -
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Tease |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Universal Consortium
30
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Posted - 2011.10.20 11:16:00 -
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1) To keep sec-status reasonable. 2) To keep the coffers topped up. 3) Something to do that still involves **** urp-sploding that actually doesn't nuke (1) or sink (2). 4) Something I can do that doesn't require me to be overly social if I don't feel like it. I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |
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Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
24
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Posted - 2011.10.20 13:40:00 -
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Instant fun.. and yeah I do find them to be fun still.. in.. moderate doses... 'chuckles*
Considering my work and having to take care of all the housework, cook dinner do laundry etc... its nice to have something i can log in, play for half an hour, get some nice escape from reality and just chill.
Dont have to jump 30 jumps for incursions, or spend hours roaming and not getting any pvp funsies. So perfect for those days when i am on limited time, also since i dont have to worry about anyone else i can just log if work needs my attention. No fleetmates to worry about. |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
41
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Posted - 2011.10.20 23:20:00 -
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Interesting query.
I Accidentally YourShip wrote: Why do you mission endlessly?
What makes you think mission runners "mission endlessly"?
That's an interesting thought because I consider myself a mission runner, some of the time, but don't view myself as missioning endlessly.
I Accidentally YourShip wrote: I'm not talking to the people who fuel their expensive pvp habits with missioning, I'm talking about the people who mission and mission to get more ISK, to get a bigger ship so you can get more ISK faster.
So, are you only interested in mission runners who meet these particular criteria, or is this how you see mission runners?
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression?
Is this how you see mission running?
If so, your understanding of what mission running is differs quite markedly from mine. Vive la difference (however spelled).
I Accidentally YourShip wrote: ... Unlike most other treadmill games that attach effort to progress EVE does not do that. Ships are disposable, even expensive ships with expensive modules can eventually be replaced. The illusion of progress in this game is skill points which are static in gain. No effort you make improves your character itself in any way, only time does that.
Intriguing insert. Makes me wonder whether OP is actually interested in his posed questions or is more interested in using them as a springboard for espousing some of his views of the universe.
I Accidentally YourShip wrote: I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago.
Hmmmm, I think we have a series of wonderful beer commercials that aptly respond to this ... Yeah right!!
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
149
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Posted - 2011.10.21 00:01:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression?
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This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago.
The one question I left in there makes it sound a LOT like a troll. You might not have intended it that way but on its own, maybe you'll see why some people are offended by it. You're basically belittling missioning with that question.
I don't do missions. I joined in when my corpmates ran missions, but rarely started them on my own. I actually have a hard time getting jump clones because I've never put in the effort to get the requisite standings with enough NPC corps. Still, I think I understand the mission runners well enough.
1) It's the first thing they are introduced to in Eve. The tutorials are a series of missions, so it's easy to step from the training missions to Sisters of Eve to normal faction missions as your first activity. After a few weeks of missions and getting new ships, they become invested in missions both in experience and the skill training they choose. After a while, it's just what they do best/easiest.
2) It has some appeal to the same OCD crowd who will play the same platformer over and over to get a better score/time/whatever. Pick a metric: isk/hour, mission times, standings, NPC kill count, whatever...doing better than their previous best drives them.
3) You may see ships as disposable tools, but they might see ships as vehicles, property, even the closest thing they have to a "home" in Eve. It's the thing they spend the most time in, can customize, and show off. They started in a Merlin, moved up to a Cormorant, then to a Caracal, a Drake, a Raven, a Tengu, then a Golem. Every upgrade was a reward to them. T2 large weapons training completed? Time to upgrade. You might think it's silly, but there is a whole genre of flash games out there where "complete this repetitive task to get upgrades" is the entire game.
4) It's a means to an end. Locator agents, station taxes, jump clones, and isk to buy ships and PLEX can all be had via missions. Sometimes you have to grind to get to stuff you need/want.
5) While they're running missions and amassing wealth and ships, they are also training skills. Have you forgotten that every minute an account is active, it can be training? They may have other goals and simply be using missions to pass the time while they complete their training. |
Siabhra
Interstellar Archaeology
0
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Posted - 2011.10.21 02:56:00 -
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I play missions mostly because I am a casual gamer and they are quick and easy. I get to go fly, shoot stuff up, loot and sell, in a relatively short amount of time. Just now I am thinking of branching out, but just don't know where to go from here...until I figure that out, I will mission. OR I could go mine...and mine, and mine.
So, my answer is that I really like the EVE universe, it is so different from the other MMO's out there. Therefore, I'd rather mission in my short time available than quit.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
152
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Posted - 2011.10.21 03:07:00 -
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Siabhra wrote:Just now I am thinking of branching out, but just don't know where to go from here...until I figure that out, I will mission.
Exploration. It's much less monotonous, you'll see more places, and you can branch out into higher-risk activities like lowsec or wormhole exploration as you gain experience. You'll still be shooting NPCs so your mission skillset will apply well.
Siabhra wrote:So, my answer is that I really like the EVE universe, it is so different from the other MMO's out there. Therefore, I'd rather mission in my short time available than quit.
Agreed. If you only have an hour to put into an Eve session, missions might be the only thing that actually get you what you're looking for. Incursions can take a while to get started, exploration takes patience, and it can take more than an hour to find good PVP (that's GOOD pvp, rather than being blobbed by a force you can't hope to fight) |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
1
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Posted - 2011.10.21 08:03:00 -
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Well I like BS's dont know why I just like them.
As any Master Battle Ship pilot can tell. The only smart thing to do with a BS at this point is PVE.
Most BS have fat ass's and move slow are big easy targets and more then a fewer smaller faster cheaper ships can put out as much dps and more true dps then a BS can in pvp.
Cant even use them to realibly Snip anymore so PVE content is realy the only smart thing for a BS pilot to do. |
rodyas
The Scope Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2011.10.21 09:12:00 -
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I really like gaining new levels while I missions, and see how I can change my tactics or strategy for them at each new level I gain. Suppose with max skills I would lose that enjoyment, and become more like how you are feeling. I also like the story of the missions and like doing them. As well as too young to say I have won missioning right now. |
Wordle
Ceti Alpha Five
0
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Posted - 2011.10.21 14:02:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression?
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This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago. The one question I left in there makes it sound a LOT like a troll. You might not have intended it that way but on its own, maybe you'll see why some people are offended by it. You're basically belittling missioning with that question. I don't do missions. I joined in when my corpmates ran missions, but rarely started them on my own. I actually have a hard time getting jump clones because I've never put in the effort to get the requisite standings with enough NPC corps. Still, I think I understand the mission runners well enough. 1) It's the first thing they are introduced to in Eve. The tutorials are a series of missions, so it's easy to step from the training missions to Sisters of Eve to normal faction missions as your first activity. After a few weeks of missions and getting new ships, they become invested in missions both in experience and the skill training they choose. After a while, it's just what they do best/easiest. 2) It has some appeal to the same OCD crowd who will play the same platformer over and over to get a better score/time/whatever. Pick a metric: isk/hour, mission times, standings, NPC kill count, whatever...doing better than their previous best drives them. 3) You may see ships as disposable tools, but they might see ships as vehicles, property, even the closest thing they have to a "home" in Eve. It's the thing they spend the most time in, can customize, and show off. They started in a Merlin, moved up to a Cormorant, then to a Caracal, a Drake, a Raven, a Tengu, then a Golem. Every upgrade was a reward to them. T2 large weapons training completed? Time to upgrade. You might think it's silly, but there is a whole genre of flash games out there where "complete this repetitive task to get upgrades" is the entire game. (edit: for that matter, almost every single player game and multiplayer RPGs does this: the further you progress, the more cool stuff you get to use. They've been conditioned for this mentality by nearly every game there is) 4) It's a means to an end. Locator agents, station taxes, jump clones, and isk to buy ships and PLEX can all be had via missions. Sometimes you have to grind to get to stuff you need/want. 5) While they're running missions and amassing wealth and ships, they are also training skills. Have you forgotten that every minute an account is active, it can be training? They may have other goals and simply be using missions to pass the time while they complete their training.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I mission primarily because I need a lump-sum of ISK to use for PvP in the future (I quit early on after I first gave the game a try, then gave it another try and ended up really liking the game so don't let my character age fool you). I view my ships as property and things I have earned. I enjoy upgrading them. I'm currently in a Tengu and blazing through missions as my character racks up skill points is quite fun and prosperous. I try to give all the wrecks I don't loot/salvage to new players to give them a nice ISK boost early on which I never got.
Most of the skill training I have done towards my missioning ships will benefit me when I PvP later on down the road. I'm just now starting to train for stealth bomber use for wardecing small mining corps out here in high-sec. I can't wait. From there I will branch out and eventually end up in low/null sec space.
But as far as those fabled crazy folks out there who mission all day, every day, I do know of one and he missions in the system I inhabit. He's pretty weird and doesn't PvP. All he does is missions. All he trains for is more missioning ships. I don't know what his deal is, OP. He has been playing EvE since 2006. While you do seem like a troll, your question is valid, but I don't know if the people you're referring to read these forums.
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.10.21 16:04:00 -
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Wordle wrote:
But as far as those fabled crazy folks out there who mission all day, every day, I do know of one and he missions in the system I inhabit. He's pretty weird and doesn't PvP. All he does is missions. All he trains for is more missioning ships. I don't know what his deal is, OP. He has been playing EvE since 2006. While you do seem like a troll, your question is valid, but I don't know if the people you're referring to read these forums.
Those are the people I'm looking for, I assume it would be fair after this long that people like that do not frequent / visit the forums at all. Oh well. |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2011.10.21 16:18:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Wordle wrote:
But as far as those fabled crazy folks out there who mission all day, every day, I do know of one and he missions in the system I inhabit. He's pretty weird and doesn't PvP. All he does is missions. All he trains for is more missioning ships. I don't know what his deal is, OP. He has been playing EvE since 2006. While you do seem like a troll, your question is valid, but I don't know if the people you're referring to read these forums.
Those are the people I'm looking for, I assume it would be fair after this long that people like that do not frequent / visit the forums at all. Oh well.
Why do some people eat rice with ketchup?
A better question would be: why do you care?
It's a sandbox, as is life. |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
27
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Posted - 2011.10.21 16:40:00 -
[41] - Quote
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Those are the people I'm looking for, I assume it would be fair after this long that people like that do not frequent / visit the forums at all. Oh well.
Well they either
1. Don't frequent these forums 2. Don't want to post as your replies mostly come across as troll-ish, even though you state they are not. 3. There are far fewer of them than you think. If anything this thread should have shown that by in large, most missioners don't do it 24/7 and nothing else.
As an example i have a friend in game who might seem to qualify as a hard core missioner. He runs TONS of missions. he has pimped out ships worth more than I have ever made just to run them faster.
But even he is doing it to fund other things. He is always actively out there when we have wardecs and PVP roams. For him missions are his favorite, most efficient means of generating mad isk. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:44:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:The one question I left in there makes it sound a LOT like a troll. You might not have intended it that way but on its own, maybe you'll see why some people are offended by it. You're basically belittling missioning with that question.
I don't do missions. I joined in when my corpmates ran missions, but rarely started them on my own. I actually have a hard time getting jump clones because I've never put in the effort to get the requisite standings with enough NPC corps. Still, I think I understand the mission runners well enough.
1) It's the first thing they are introduced to in Eve. The tutorials are a series of missions, so it's easy to step from the training missions to Sisters of Eve to normal faction missions as your first activity. After a few weeks of missions and getting new ships, they become invested in missions both in experience and the skill training they choose. After a while, it's just what they do best/easiest.
2) It has some appeal to the same OCD crowd who will play the same platformer over and over to get a better score/time/whatever. Pick a metric: isk/hour, mission times, standings, NPC kill count, whatever...doing better than their previous best drives them.
3) You may see ships as disposable tools, but they might see ships as vehicles, property, even the closest thing they have to a "home" in Eve. It's the thing they spend the most time in, can customize, and show off. They started in a Merlin, moved up to a Cormorant, then to a Caracal, a Drake, a Raven, a Tengu, then a Golem. Every upgrade was a reward to them. T2 large weapons training completed? Time to upgrade. You might think it's silly, but there is a whole genre of flash games out there where "complete this repetitive task to get upgrades" is the entire game.
(edit: for that matter, almost every single player game and multiplayer RPGs does this: the further you progress, the more cool stuff you get to use. They've been conditioned for this mentality by nearly every game there is)
4) It's a means to an end. Locator agents, station taxes, jump clones, and isk to buy ships and PLEX can all be had via missions. Sometimes you have to grind to get to stuff you need/want.
5) While they're running missions and amassing wealth and ships, they are also training skills. Have you forgotten that every minute an account is active, it can be training? They may have other goals and simply be using missions to pass the time while they complete their training.
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Whyumadtho
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2011.10.22 12:42:00 -
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I did it to pimp out my tengu with really expensive faction gear and get a few hundred mil spare. Now im headed out to 0.0 and leaving the tengu in high sec as a backup plan in case I get my arse handed to me which is a distinct possibility.
Mission accomplished.
Also it was something to do while waiting on enough skillpoints to be of some use. |
Zarutha
The Night Crew The Night Crew Alliance
30
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Posted - 2011.10.23 06:43:00 -
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I mission run for the following : 1. Limited time - want to get on an play for an hour. 2. For standing to do research, refine ore, or to get LP. 3. If I'm bored and it's a slow corp day. 4. I enjoy multiboxing, it actually makes them fun controling 3 characters.
Mission running for me is about 15% of my game time. I will say running sites in wormholes feels like group mission running because of its repetitive nature. I wish the added a little polish to Eve's PVE content, it could use it, but it's not why I like Eve. |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
153
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Posted - 2011.10.23 09:54:00 -
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Well as someone who usually doesn't play for more than an hour an evening (anymore), the options are pretty limited. Things like PvP roams or Incursions require a lot of preparation and traveling - an hour isn't enough to even get organized, get together and fleet up, let alone do things. EVE is a very slow and sluggish game what that's concerned. Whatever is being said, EVE isn't a game for casual players at all.
I'm making money and buy new ships. I just trained my Amarr battleships and now switch between my Tengu and an Abaddon so I can get familiar with that ship. When I'm missioning for a new NPC corp I try out a lot of ships so I get to know them, their feel, speed, way of tanking, range and such. I'm not that rich and I don't make that much money that I can easily afford to lose my (bigger) T2 ships in PvP - and what do I learn when I lose it 10 minutes into a fight? Missions are also a safe playground to practice.
Of course it would get boring, happily there's always people to have a fun chat with while missioning. |
Carlos Aceveda
Ares Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.23 14:33:00 -
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Missions aren't really a safe playground to practice anything else than, flying that mission. How you chose your ship, fitting philosophy and the way you fly it is very different to high, low or null-sec combat. The best practice is still out on the Test server.
To answer OP's question: Missioners are doing it for the standing, which results in lower tax (i.e. markets, refining) and being able to place a POS in high-sec for secure industry. I personally for example don't enjoy the mission grind and try to keep it to a minimum but right now for example I'm looking into getting my jita market alts standing to a point where I have minimum taxes in Jita 4-4, while training his accounting and broker relations to V. |
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 07:55:00 -
[47] - Quote
I mission,,, a lot. I guess I am just the sort of person who likes to refine things. And because missions are static you can get real comparative results. Flying against a person there are a lot of unknowable factors. Against a rat I know if a change in tactics had an effect and I have a pretty finite approximation of that change. There are a lot of inherent differences in hulls that do not show up on paper. Sure they will show up in PVP as well but there are the unknowables. Did my speed tank work or was that just a garbage pilot? Am I getting good tranversal or was I just armed for his tank by luck? So to get real results on what I am improving on in tactic or just skill affects Missions make a good control. You know what I don't get? LowSec. In null you have actual territory and resources to fight over. That makes sense to me. I am a big one on having goals. Just pew-pew for the hell of it makes no sense to me. I mean if that is really the sort of thing you enjoy there's this device called an X-Box. Piles of games on there where you can PVP and do nothing else. Like all day. And there is no game economy or skill training to mess with. It's like the whole game is low sec. |
James5955
Sucker Punch Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 09:37:00 -
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I mission ran all the time, almost religiously until recently.
I liked the thought of doing missions to get better ships, so I can do them better. Always found myself completing the missions faster and faster, and eventually got into dual boxing lvl 4's which made it much more entertaining and faster. Rattlesnake was one of my goals that I eventually reached, that was a nice accomplishment... now I have that ship and while it is fit for level 4s, I can easily refit it for other activities, not like the ships I bought will only ever be used for missions.
It's also really easy to do and I can run missions quickly, I don't have to wait on anyone or worry about other people. I just want to make a bit of isk and only have an hour or so then I can run a few missions and come out with a decent increase in isk.
Gives me something to do when bored and the game seems slow and corp members aren't online. Just let my SP rack up while I make some isk so I can buy any ships I want and put the best equipment on them. That's probably my main reason of grinding isk, just to spend it on awesome ships :) |
Jaketh Ivanes
House of El
1
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Posted - 2011.10.24 13:34:00 -
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I mission because I don't have enough play time to PvP.
I mission in ineffective ships because it's fun.
I still play because this is the only real space MMO, Black Prophecy doesn't really cut it and neiter did Star Trek Online. Space part of STO was cool, but there were to much land based missions... |
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 14:17:00 -
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Jaketh Ivanes wrote:I mission because I don't have enough play time to PvP.
I mission in ineffective ships because it's fun.
I still play because this is the only real space MMO, Black Prophecy doesn't really cut it and neiter did Star Trek Online. Space part of STO was cool, but there were to much land based missions...
Yeah some of that too. I'd be crazy to try anything else on the connection we have at work I run a lot of missions on the clock because it is no risk. If I have to suddenly work on my unit I can just warp to station and come back to it. kind of umm well the reason griefers PvP in HiSec. It's a no risk activity and if things are'nt going well you can just bounce to the Orca Alt. When you are decced you have to be able to play 100% every time, which can be kind of fun. But often enough I jst want to get on and play without all that hassle. |
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Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
94
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Posted - 2011.10.24 15:39:00 -
[51] - Quote
I PvE because I'm crap at PvP but I still want to fly a spaceship around in combat.
Apart from that, I like trying out the missions in different fits and different ships. I'm also now on the LP path and the path to MOAR DPS.
Basically I play the game more to get into a trance state, not so much (until more recently) to achieve, accumulate or compete. I'm in it for the immersion, for the feel of pretending I'm a space pilot out in the vastness of space.
The minimal danger from NPCs and the greater danger from other players just spices it up a bit, makes the background to my make-believe adventures that bit more realistic and immersive.
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Qalix
Jump Frog
4
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:24:00 -
[52] - Quote
My goal is to get 8+ standings with every corporation that has medical facilities in losec/nosec space so that Jump Frog will have clone creation and pod express facilities all over EVE.
Its also worth noting that while you can buy almost anything from the market, missioning and LP are the only way to avoid market fluctuations on big ticket items like Nomad sets and the like. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:33:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote: What makes you think mission runners "mission endlessly"?
No where did I say that, I was looking for mission runners who DO run missions endlessly. Apparently this is less common than expected.
Substantia Nigra wrote:
That's an interesting thought because I consider myself a mission runner, some of the time, but don't view myself as missioning endlessly.
And yet don't meet the criteria of what I'm looking for.
Substantia Nigra wrote:
So, are you only interested in mission runners who meet these particular criteria, or is this how you see mission runners?
I'm looking for people who meet the criteria, not implying that anyone who missions is like this.
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Is this how you see mission running?
If so, your understanding of what mission running is differs quite markedly from mine. Vive la difference (however spelled).
This IS mission running. There are few missions to choose from and they never change. To be more specific this is L4 mission running. Unless you know of some super secret pool of L4 missions that I am unaware of?
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Intriguing insert. Makes me wonder whether OP is actually interested in his posed questions or is more interested in using them as a springboard for espousing some of his views of the universe.
This is my view on ships and progress in EVE in general. I have a viewpoint as I think. I never once said that anything outside of this viewpoint is stupid and/or wrong.
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:41:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote: I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago. Hmmmm, I think we have a series of wonderful beer commercials that aptly respond to this ... Yeah right!!
I did not watch your video link but I assume that you are of the opinion that I am either: Not a former player ie still playing, interested in the viewpoints of missioners, or both. I guess my name doesn't really lend to looking like a non-troll either, or the couple suicide ganks on miners on battleclinic.
Regardless, I was interested in the viewpoints of missioners when I first started the topic, but the overwhelmingly defensive response from a clearly jaded crowd has made me lose interest.
Your analysis of my posts was rather amusing, but isn't really on-topic now is it? Perhaps you should post a little more constructively. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:43:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:
2. Don't want to post as your replies mostly come across as troll-ish, even though you state they are not.
Highlight these, please.
Otherwise don't make accusatory statements with no substance. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:01:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression?
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This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago. The one question I left in there makes it sound a LOT like a troll. You might not have intended it that way but on its own, maybe you'll see why some people are offended by it. You're basically belittling missioning with that question.
I noticed that after a while, but I decided against editing it to read in a less offensive and direct manner since what was said was said, and editing like that would ruin the flow of conversation.
This is how it is from an objective, outside viewpoint. There is little risk in the majority of missioning and you do dominate the NPCs. What people take from this fact (and it is a fact for the average player who does a mission) is their issue to be quite honest. If you feel that your missioning experience is diminished in some way because someone said it was a low-risk activity that you tend to dominate, perhaps you need to figure out why this cheapens the experience for you and rectify it or find a different activity for enjoyment.
Note that I only said little risk and dominate NPCs, I never said it was boring, senseless, trivial, stupid, pointless or any other thing that you would have a legitimate reason to be offended by. Those are subjective opinions, what I said was objective, they are irrefutable from the time of posting, for the average mission runner who uses a properly fitted battleship.
Suicide ganking is viewed as a despicable act to many, yet I enjoy it. There is little risk in a well-planned suicide gank, and dominating an unsuspecting and vulnerable player is part of the activity. I still enjoyed it when I did it.
Missioning was fun when I was just getting my feet wet with EVE, but it lost interest as there seemed to be no purpose behind it all, and I did it more to fund my suicide ganks which were not that many (this account was not the suicide account).
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
27
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:13:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:
2. Don't want to post as your replies mostly come across as troll-ish, even though you state they are not.
Highlight these, please. Otherwise don't make accusatory statements with no substance.
Already had earlier in the thread. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:40:00 -
[58] - Quote
Derath Ellecon wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:
2. Don't want to post as your replies mostly come across as troll-ish, even though you state they are not.
Highlight these, please. Otherwise don't make accusatory statements with no substance. Already had earlier in the thread.
Those were refuted, and had no merit in any case as they were judged by baseless assumption and no real fact. Yet you still make statements that my replies mostly come across as troll-ish.
Trolling is not having a differing viewpoint. Trolling is replying with inflammatory responses designed to de-rail and or cause a desired response in others that is almost always negative.
You are the troll.
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:51:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:A better question would be: why do you care?
You know how people say there is no such thing as a stupid question?
This is a stupid question. I have a reason, whatever it may be. Just like you have a reason for galloping in on your horse to trumpet your unwanted and off-topic points.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
27
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:55:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:
2. Don't want to post as your replies mostly come across as troll-ish, even though you state they are not.
Highlight these, please. Otherwise don't make accusatory statements with no substance. Already had earlier in the thread. Those were refuted, and had no merit in any case as they were judged by baseless assumption and no real fact. Yet you still make statements that my replies mostly come across as troll-ish. Trolling is not having a differing viewpoint. Trolling is replying with inflammatory responses designed to de-rail and or cause a desired response in others that is almost always negative. You are the troll.
You replying =/= a refute.
Far more people liked my post, and other posts similar to mine than any of yours. Maybe "bait" would be a more accurate term than "troll"
If anything, hopefully you have learned that there are far fewer mindless mission grinders in EVE than you maybe had expected. I think it is fair to surmise from this thread, which holds true to the people I know in game, that a majority of mission runners are doing it as a means of generating isk for other activities.
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:59:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:
2. Don't want to post as your replies mostly come across as troll-ish, even though you state they are not.
Highlight these, please. Otherwise don't make accusatory statements with no substance. Already had earlier in the thread. Those were refuted, and had no merit in any case as they were judged by baseless assumption and no real fact. Yet you still make statements that my replies mostly come across as troll-ish. Trolling is not having a differing viewpoint. Trolling is replying with inflammatory responses designed to de-rail and or cause a desired response in others that is almost always negative. You are the troll. You replying =/= a refute. Far more people liked my post, and other posts similar to mine than any of yours. Maybe "bait" would be a more accurate term than "troll" If anything, hopefully you have learned that there are far fewer mindless mission grinders in EVE than you maybe had expected. I think it is fair to surmise from this thread, which holds true to the people I know in game, that a majority of mission runners are doing it as a means of generating isk for other activities.
Actually my replies are a direct refute and since your points were based on nothing but generalization and assumption, they lack fact. Without a fact, if I say it isn't so, it isn't so.
Your posts got liked because there are other incompetent morons who read these threads, just like you, and agree with your flawed points because they would make the same.
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I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:07:00 -
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I would suggest taking your posts which lack thought process and planning elsewhere, Derath. When you make comments like:
Derath Ellecon wrote: He may not even realize he's trolling, but he is.
it really shows how dimwitted you are. It is impossible to "troll" without knowing you are trolling. You make baseless assumptions, and then don't back them up and take them in another direction when you are refuted. And not just by me, there was another person who voiced their displeasure over your inability to read after your very first post in the thread. Go somewhere more appropriate to your intelligence, like Crime & Punishment.
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countertroll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:49:00 -
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You're one of the better trolls I've seen, I'll give you that much. Your original post was laden with inflammatory comments and both the wording and the general tone were clearly confrontational. Your implicit message was "missions suck, how can you be so unimaginative and so unambitious as to continue on." But you know that already. Kudos, sir, kudos.
Also, if you're not playing, what are you doing? If you're no longer missioning that doesn't leave you with a lot of options. I have to ask, if you don't play EVE anymore, why are you posting and why do you give a ****? |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:55:00 -
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countertroll wrote:You're one of the better trolls I've seen, I'll give you that much. Your original post was laden with inflammatory comments and both the wording and the general tone were clearly confrontational. Your implicit message was "missions suck, how can you be so unimaginative and so unambitious as to continue on." But you know that already. Kudos, sir, kudos.
Also, if you're not playing, what are you doing? If you're no longer missioning that doesn't leave you with a lot of options. I have to ask, if you don't play EVE anymore, why are you posting and why do you give a ****?
I was bored in class, software engineering in college has some boring classes, so I decided to ask an arbitrary question that I wanted an answer to.
The wording and general tone is not confrontational, perhaps blunt. That is the type of person I am. |
countertroll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:57:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:countertroll wrote:You're one of the better trolls I've seen, I'll give you that much. Your original post was laden with inflammatory comments and both the wording and the general tone were clearly confrontational. Your implicit message was "missions suck, how can you be so unimaginative and so unambitious as to continue on." But you know that already. Kudos, sir, kudos.
Also, if you're not playing, what are you doing? If you're no longer missioning that doesn't leave you with a lot of options. I have to ask, if you don't play EVE anymore, why are you posting and why do you give a ****? I was bored in class, software engineering in college has some boring classes, so I decided to ask an arbitrary question that I wanted an answer to. The wording and general tone is not confrontational, perhaps blunt. That is the type of person I am. still excellent sir. calm tone. just enough to invite comment and counterpoint and drag it out. what's giving you away right now is how quickly you're posting. patience, sir, is your only missing virtue. don't worry, one day you can join the ranks of the Greater Trolls. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:01:00 -
[66] - Quote
countertroll wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:countertroll wrote:You're one of the better trolls I've seen, I'll give you that much. Your original post was laden with inflammatory comments and both the wording and the general tone were clearly confrontational. Your implicit message was "missions suck, how can you be so unimaginative and so unambitious as to continue on." But you know that already. Kudos, sir, kudos.
Also, if you're not playing, what are you doing? If you're no longer missioning that doesn't leave you with a lot of options. I have to ask, if you don't play EVE anymore, why are you posting and why do you give a ****? I was bored in class, software engineering in college has some boring classes, so I decided to ask an arbitrary question that I wanted an answer to. The wording and general tone is not confrontational, perhaps blunt. That is the type of person I am. still excellent sir. calm tone. just enough to invite comment and counterpoint and drag it out. what's giving you away right now is how quickly you're posting. patience, sir, is your only missing virtue. don't worry, one day you can join the ranks of the Greater Trolls.
I tend to reply to something when I notice that there is a response, I have two monitors and it popped up with a (1) in the tab containing this thread. I don't see the purpose in making people wait for responses, or fairy language designed to placate people.
Your viewpoint on trolling and your name has an odd disconnect.
Edit: And stop de-railing my thread. |
countertroll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 22:04:00 -
[67] - Quote
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Edit: And stop de-railing my thread. Classic! Pure win, sir! Pure win! |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
3
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 08:07:00 -
[68] - Quote
You know what is most amusing about this thread? I just re-subscribed, partially because of this thread, and what am I doing? Missioning. |
Tanjo Janau
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 12:43:00 -
[69] - Quote
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:You know what is most amusing about this thread? I just re-subscribed, partially because of this thread, and what am I doing? Missioning.
:What is your goal? |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
3
|
Posted - 2011.10.25 16:36:00 -
[70] - Quote
Tanjo Janau wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:You know what is most amusing about this thread? I just re-subscribed, partially because of this thread, and what am I doing? Missioning. :What is your goal?
To blitz them all. |
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Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
18
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 10:22:00 -
[71] - Quote
I only run missions because I want to be able to replace my ships. If I didn't run missions, I wouldn't earn as much ISK, and it's about a dozen times more fun and profitable than running DED complexes just to have some ****** come and kill the enemy that drops the good loot, so I don't get that. At least missions are reliable. I have yet to experience anyone Ninja-salvaging my missions (then again, I don't give a damn about the salvage. I just want the bounties and mission rewards, so I wouldn't need to worry about Ninja-looters). |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
30
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 13:24:00 -
[72] - Quote
Missions - meh
Well first off I'm the wrong person to answer this as missions are not by any means my main activity but I do at times end up running quite a few of them. Here are a few reasons why:
- Standings - needed for all kinds of stuff, the best way to get standings is still through missions.
- Testing ships - some people like the test server, when I want to try out a new combat ship or setup I take it on a few missions. It allows me to see how the ship performs overall and helps me to understand how it handles. Usually the ship then gets adapted for a purpose (generally exploration) but missions are predictable enough that they make good benchmark for testing.
- Training pilots - yes I mean it. Mission running is a safeish way to introduce pilots to the basics of fitting and flying. Things like the basics of tanking, optimizing damage etc. can be well illustrated in a mission environment.
- Pass the time - Sometimes I've just got a half hour and nothing else to do. (especially when I'm too tired to think :p) then I'll pop a mission for laughs.
I do, sincerely wish missions were more variable and challenging, or to be exact that you could run missions in a more variable and challenging environment (from someone who has spent time running missions in nullsec) but I'm guessing that's not going to happen any time soon. |
OllieNorth
R-K Industries Sexy Alliance
7
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 14:30:00 -
[73] - Quote
I'm on the same page as a lot of people in here. When I was playing and missioning almost constantly, it was mainly because I was relatively low SP and couldn't do things like null sec and exploration well. I have tried PvP and suck at it, and I don't have the patience or time in my life to sit around on a roam for an hour and a half trying to find a lonely ratter to gank. I quite frankly found the whole nullsec roam and highsec station camping PvP to be far less interesting than running missions. Add to that my general lack of ability, so that when I did get into a fight, I almost always lost it.
Mainly though, it was a matter of ISK. I am prone to doing stupid things with my ships, and as a result, never seem to have enough ISK to replace them, much less upgrade to the T2 hulls I recently trained to. Since I have gotten to know the game better, I have been doing some exploration, but even then there is a lot of down time. Missions are great because I can just hop in and be doing something.
TL;DR I am bad at PvP and find it generally less interesting, Missions are a quick fix that I don't die in all the time. |
Salo Aldeland
Luma Operations
0
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 14:34:00 -
[74] - Quote
New-ish player here. My goal when I started Eve was to get into the exploration type of career path, but as a beginner scanning down sites took forever and most of the time, the sites I found were either emptied out before I got there or to heavy for my puny vessels to handle. Missioning has given me a less frustrating way to buy a bunch of different ships and fits, find out what I like and don't like in a vessel, and get to know the game while my skills improve. |
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
5
|
Posted - 2011.11.02 16:21:00 -
[75] - Quote
I like to 'mix n match' and am involved in a number of different EVE professsions. I reckon there are probably very few pilots that just do missions. I do missions for the following reasons:
1) I enjoy doing them. 2) To increase my standings with factions & corps for 'industrial reasons' including refining and to access the higher rated COSMOS agents. 3) For the salvage and ship fittings/equipment/tags/loot. 4) For the iskies. :) 5) I like the stories/politics and would like to see this aspect expanded although I don't expect it to happen. 6) For the LP to get implants/skillbooks/modules etc that I would like to have. 7) I like to round my standings to 10.0 with agents for completion sake.(That is a little sad. Not one of main targets in-game now.) |
Ja'kar
RONA Midgard Academy RONA Directorate
3
|
Posted - 2011.12.10 17:02:00 -
[76] - Quote
Somedays I like missoning, other days I am just skint. I see mission running as mining with guns. Also, since I been away so long misson running is a good way to get back into eve. Although, having said that I am looking forward to learning about new aspects of eve pvp and pve.
Too be honest, I will allways have a mission ship in the hanger as a last resort!
. |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
18
|
Posted - 2011.12.10 18:08:00 -
[77] - Quote
I have the pie-in-the-sky goal of 8+ standing with every NPC corp in game. According to my calculations, I'm more than 10% of the way there (7 corps at 8+ standing, 18 additional corps at perfect refine which is roughly 6+ standing for me). If I had serious internet over this last summer, I'd probably have about double those numbers.
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IceBergSlim
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2011.12.11 10:07:00 -
[78] - Quote
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Goose99 wrote:A better question would be: why do you care? You know how people say there is no such thing as a stupid question?
I believe it is 'the only stupid question is the unasked one', no? |
IceBergSlim
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2011.12.11 10:11:00 -
[79] - Quote
To OP,
My main has been playing since '04, and has run missions for approximately half that time. For me, it's escapism. I now have four children [already had two prior to discovering EvE] and anyone with a young family will understand that you simply cannot commit to anything other than solo ventures.
I kinda do most stuff now in EvE, PvP, PvE, Incursions, etc, etc so don't have to solely rely on missioning for my 'escape'.
An interesting thread. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
176
|
Posted - 2011.12.11 10:59:00 -
[80] - Quote
I mission for a few various reasons.
1: Instant gratification - You undock, warp and shoot all within 5 minutes of logging on.
2: Experimentation - Trying out various shipfits and setups, not to mention getting the ISK from it to do dream setups that involve really expensive shiny ships and/or fittings.
3: Self challenging - "Right I just run AE4 in the space of 25 minutes, now how do I cut that down to under 20.." And then doing it all in a single bounty clear.
4: There's days where I'm an antisocial bastard who really doesn't want to put up with dealing with others, a day's missioning gives me something to do without being dependant on a group, and is productive to my isk balance.
5: Because I make rigs and have Scrapmetal Processing trained to make more isk.
TL:DR - Different strokes for different folks. |
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IceBergSlim
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2011.12.11 13:00:00 -
[81] - Quote
Caellach Marellus wrote:I mission for a few various reasons....
TL:DR - Different strokes for different folks.
QFT
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El Boracho
State War Academy Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2011.12.11 16:29:00 -
[82] - Quote
Ahh did the mean missioners cause you to cry? I am sure they like your tears.
When you ask a question with as much personal bias that you have let leak through it shows your true intent and immediately pisses people off.
Missions are fun for me in small doses, trade is fun for me in small doses, pvp is fun for me in small doses, etc, etc. Its part of the game and provides some variety.
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Doriana Grey
State War Academy Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2011.12.11 19:02:00 -
[83] - Quote
I run missions during the week so I can wear my +5 implants while I farm isk. On the weekend I jumpclone back to my corp's station in nullsec and pvp it up with no implants to loose.
I used to run havens and all that during the week, but it got hectic around our region and I don't log enough hours mon-fri to wait out station camps and still turn enough profit to pay for my weekend pvp habits. It does feel a little dirty being in empire so much these days, but the alternative is to go back to flying rifters. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
26
|
Posted - 2011.12.11 21:56:00 -
[84] - Quote
El Boracho wrote:Ahh did the mean missioners cause you to cry? I am sure they like your tears.
When you ask a question with as much personal bias that you have let leak through it shows your true intent and immediately pisses people off.
Missions are fun for me in small doses, trade is fun for me in small doses, pvp is fun for me in small doses, etc, etc. Its part of the game and provides some variety.
I find it amusing that I'm API verified on battleclinic (last I checked, might not be with the new API system if the old key is no longer valid) so you can tell exactly what I do with this character. It's clearly not pvp and lol mining. Yet you still think I hate missioners and missioning. |
Nullbeard Rager
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
|
Posted - 2011.12.11 22:52:00 -
[85] - Quote
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:SECOND EDIT: Thank you for all the replies from the people who do not qualify under the criteria below. Your replies have not been helpful. To the people who feel that they need to analyse the motive behind my creation of said thread, you are equally useless to the point of the topic, but entertaining nonetheless. To any mission runners who actually replied to the thread with a good answer that I missed, I apologise, the general replies to this thread have killed my interest, which was a fleeting and spontaneous one to begin with.
Why do you mission endlessly? I'm not talking to the people who fuel their expensive pvp habits with missioning, I'm talking about the people who mission and mission to get more ISK, to get a bigger ship so you can get more ISK faster.
Why? I'm curious. Is mission running therapeutic? Is it fun to you? Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression? Unlike most other treadmill games that attach effort to progress EVE does not do that. Ships are disposable, even expensive ships with expensive modules can eventually be replaced. The illusion of progress in this game is skill points which are static in gain. No effort you make improves your character itself in any way, only time does that. Where is the carrot to actively chase?
This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago.
This is a game and thus 99% utterly pointless and silly.
Other than learning some business skills and some teamwork and fleet command skills, (most of which are far more applicable to EVE than to real life, yet not entirely without merit), it's a time sink.
If you are asking people why they spend time here, then ask that.
If you are NOT a troll and really just want a pep talk to keep you in the game then next time say "missions feel pointless to me now" and save everyone the reading of your VERY trollish looking post, okay? |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
|
Posted - 2011.12.11 23:17:00 -
[86] - Quote
I Just guess that there are no players in EVE that do only missioning. But, for most players it is one way amongst many others to make ISK, fill in play time etc.
So maybe find the lonely only missioners first.
Och, and yes I mission too, amongst all other activity's in EVE. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
26
|
Posted - 2011.12.11 23:21:00 -
[87] - Quote
Nullbeard Rager wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:SECOND EDIT: Thank you for all the replies from the people who do not qualify under the criteria below. Your replies have not been helpful. To the people who feel that they need to analyse the motive behind my creation of said thread, you are equally useless to the point of the topic, but entertaining nonetheless. To any mission runners who actually replied to the thread with a good answer that I missed, I apologise, the general replies to this thread have killed my interest, which was a fleeting and spontaneous one to begin with.
Why do you mission endlessly? I'm not talking to the people who fuel their expensive pvp habits with missioning, I'm talking about the people who mission and mission to get more ISK, to get a bigger ship so you can get more ISK faster.
Why? I'm curious. Is mission running therapeutic? Is it fun to you? Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression? Unlike most other treadmill games that attach effort to progress EVE does not do that. Ships are disposable, even expensive ships with expensive modules can eventually be replaced. The illusion of progress in this game is skill points which are static in gain. No effort you make improves your character itself in any way, only time does that. Where is the carrot to actively chase?
This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago. This is a game and thus 99% utterly pointless and silly. Other than learning some business skills and some teamwork and fleet command skills, (most of which are far more applicable to EVE than to real life, yet not entirely without merit), it's a time sink. If you are asking people why they spend time here, then ask that. If you are NOT a troll and really just want a pep talk to keep you in the game then next time say "missions feel pointless to me now" and save everyone the reading of your VERY trollish looking post, okay?
Read the thread before responding, it makes you look inept.
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Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
|
Posted - 2011.12.11 23:23:00 -
[88] - Quote
OP seems to be trolling coz in another topic he claims to play mission lvl IV's???????????
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=44197&find=unread |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
26
|
Posted - 2011.12.11 23:23:00 -
[89] - Quote
Flurk Hellbron wrote:I Just guess that there are no players in EVE that do only missioning. But, for most players it is one way amongst many others to make ISK, fill in play time etc.
So maybe find the lonely only missioners first.
Och, and yes I mission too, amongst all other activity's in EVE.
That's the conclusion that the thread had come to but since I started playing again that has not been my experience. I have met multiple hard core mission bears who mission all day just to get more isk to pimp out their already ludicrously fit ship or get a more pimp ship to fly more missions, so they are out there. They are not the majority for sure, and they clearly are not forum readers. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
26
|
Posted - 2011.12.11 23:25:00 -
[90] - Quote
I had burned out on EVE months ago when this topic was started. I have since come back and while I still do not enjoy running the missions themselves, the easy ISK they supply me with to fund my other characters is desirable. |
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Aargolos
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
7
|
Posted - 2011.12.11 23:43:00 -
[91] - Quote
For me, it's a time-sink and provides isk for pvp.
Within the last few weeks, I've grown more and more tired of running missions. That being said, I'm still working on skills to be able to eventually do some lowsec exploration and other, more dangerous ways to play in the sandbox.
I'll probably look into WH stuff again, and at some point would like to play around in null.
I do enjoy violencing people with fire, and certainly am not afraid to die horribly in the process Lost two ships earlier on a small gang lowsec roam and had a fine time exploding |
Nullbeard Rager
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
|
Posted - 2011.12.12 00:48:00 -
[92] - Quote
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Nullbeard Rager wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:SECOND EDIT: Thank you for all the replies from the people who do not qualify under the criteria below. Your replies have not been helpful. To the people who feel that they need to analyse the motive behind my creation of said thread, you are equally useless to the point of the topic, but entertaining nonetheless. To any mission runners who actually replied to the thread with a good answer that I missed, I apologise, the general replies to this thread have killed my interest, which was a fleeting and spontaneous one to begin with.
Why do you mission endlessly? I'm not talking to the people who fuel their expensive pvp habits with missioning, I'm talking about the people who mission and mission to get more ISK, to get a bigger ship so you can get more ISK faster.
Why? I'm curious. Is mission running therapeutic? Is it fun to you? Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression? Unlike most other treadmill games that attach effort to progress EVE does not do that. Ships are disposable, even expensive ships with expensive modules can eventually be replaced. The illusion of progress in this game is skill points which are static in gain. No effort you make improves your character itself in any way, only time does that. Where is the carrot to actively chase?
This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago. This is a game and thus 99% utterly pointless and silly. Other than learning some business skills and some teamwork and fleet command skills, (most of which are far more applicable to EVE than to real life, yet not entirely without merit), it's a time sink. If you are asking people why they spend time here, then ask that. If you are NOT a troll and really just want a pep talk to keep you in the game then next time say "missions feel pointless to me now" and save everyone the reading of your VERY trollish looking post, okay? Read the thread before responding, it makes you look inept.
Based on the fact that you don't know me and reading what you have written so far makes it unlikely that you have either the experience, education or the intelligence to make such a judgement about me...either way your opinion of me makes me giggle.
Insults like your above response are the very essence of trolling as is your original post. If you genuinely do not realize this, then YOU are inept and incompetent at this sort of conversation. You are either a VERY good troll, as unlikely as that seems, or quite obtuse and unaware of how you sound which seems much more likely. Your forum rhetoric is weak and, based on another post of yours I saw, makes one feel that you are trying hard to get people to think you are smarter and better educated than you are.
Good luck with that...here's a cookie! |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
53
|
Posted - 2011.12.12 00:58:00 -
[93] - Quote
Nullbeard Rager wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Nullbeard Rager wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:SECOND EDIT: Thank you for all the replies from the people who do not qualify under the criteria below. Your replies have not been helpful. To the people who feel that they need to analyse the motive behind my creation of said thread, you are equally useless to the point of the topic, but entertaining nonetheless. To any mission runners who actually replied to the thread with a good answer that I missed, I apologise, the general replies to this thread have killed my interest, which was a fleeting and spontaneous one to begin with.
Why do you mission endlessly? I'm not talking to the people who fuel their expensive pvp habits with missioning, I'm talking about the people who mission and mission to get more ISK, to get a bigger ship so you can get more ISK faster.
Why? I'm curious. Is mission running therapeutic? Is it fun to you? Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression? Unlike most other treadmill games that attach effort to progress EVE does not do that. Ships are disposable, even expensive ships with expensive modules can eventually be replaced. The illusion of progress in this game is skill points which are static in gain. No effort you make improves your character itself in any way, only time does that. Where is the carrot to actively chase?
This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago. This is a game and thus 99% utterly pointless and silly. Other than learning some business skills and some teamwork and fleet command skills, (most of which are far more applicable to EVE than to real life, yet not entirely without merit), it's a time sink. If you are asking people why they spend time here, then ask that. If you are NOT a troll and really just want a pep talk to keep you in the game then next time say "missions feel pointless to me now" and save everyone the reading of your VERY trollish looking post, okay? Read the thread before responding, it makes you look inept. Based on the fact that you don't know me and reading what you have written so far makes it unlikely that you have either the experience, education or the intelligence to make such a judgement about me...either way your opinion of me makes me giggle. Insults like your above response are the very essence of trolling as is your original post. If you genuinely do not realize this, then YOU are inept and incompetent at this sort of conversation. You are either a VERY good troll, as unlikely as that seems, or quite obtuse and unaware of how you sound which seems much more likely. Your forum rhetoric is weak and, based on another post of yours I saw, makes one feel that you are trying hard to get people to think you are smarter and better educated than you are. Good luck with that...here's a cookie!
You responded to the original post without reading the entire thread. My observation was that it made you look inept, which is does. I did not state that you are inept or uneducated or an idiot, just that your failure to read the entire thread and subsequent post made you look as such. This second post also suggests that not only are you inept but you are easily insulted and a passion driven person. This pleases me in ways that would be inappropriate to describe on a forum board. |
Jordanna Bauer
Suzuka Heavy Industries
1
|
Posted - 2011.12.12 01:02:00 -
[94] - Quote
Nullbeard Rager wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Nullbeard Rager wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:SECOND EDIT: Thank you for all the replies from the people who do not qualify under the criteria below. Your replies have not been helpful. To the people who feel that they need to analyse the motive behind my creation of said thread, you are equally useless to the point of the topic, but entertaining nonetheless. To any mission runners who actually replied to the thread with a good answer that I missed, I apologise, the general replies to this thread have killed my interest, which was a fleeting and spontaneous one to begin with.
Why do you mission endlessly? I'm not talking to the people who fuel their expensive pvp habits with missioning, I'm talking about the people who mission and mission to get more ISK, to get a bigger ship so you can get more ISK faster.
Why? I'm curious. Is mission running therapeutic? Is it fun to you? Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression? Unlike most other treadmill games that attach effort to progress EVE does not do that. Ships are disposable, even expensive ships with expensive modules can eventually be replaced. The illusion of progress in this game is skill points which are static in gain. No effort you make improves your character itself in any way, only time does that. Where is the carrot to actively chase?
This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago. This is a game and thus 99% utterly pointless and silly. Other than learning some business skills and some teamwork and fleet command skills, (most of which are far more applicable to EVE than to real life, yet not entirely without merit), it's a time sink. If you are asking people why they spend time here, then ask that. If you are NOT a troll and really just want a pep talk to keep you in the game then next time say "missions feel pointless to me now" and save everyone the reading of your VERY trollish looking post, okay? Read the thread before responding, it makes you look inept. Based on the fact that you don't know me and reading what you have written so far makes it unlikely that you have either the experience, education or the intelligence to make such a judgement about me...either way your opinion of me makes me giggle. Insults like your above response are the very essence of trolling as is your original post. If you genuinely do not realize this, then YOU are inept and incompetent at this sort of conversation. You are either a VERY good troll, as unlikely as that seems, or quite obtuse and unaware of how you sound which seems much more likely. Your forum rhetoric is weak and, based on another post of yours I saw, makes one feel that you are trying hard to get people to think you are smarter and better educated than you are. Good luck with that...here's a cookie! MAD |
Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
73
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Posted - 2011.12.12 01:06:00 -
[95] - Quote
D'oh wrong thread... Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. - Douglas Adams |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
53
|
Posted - 2011.12.12 01:15:00 -
[96] - Quote
Thredd Necro wrote:BTW who does your translations? They are very good but clearly english is not your first language.
Yo u caught me dawg. ebonix iz muh motha fuckin first language, ah use uh little chinese boy ta transmalate ta cracker ass english otay buh-weet |
Nor Tzestu
Assero Argentum
29
|
Posted - 2011.12.12 01:18:00 -
[97] - Quote
Why do I mission?
Well, It fits my playtime best of all Eve activities. I have kids/wife etc. Full time job all that hub lub. I can log on, make a little isk and log off. No worries about being on someone's schedule but my own. Ships and stuff? I don't know I guess there is a bit of carrot on a stick about them. I do personally really like the ships in this game. Being able to afford a nice well fitted boat is certainly a worthy goal in my opinion. Not the end all be all of the game, but something you should look forward to. I know people who PVP and they love finally being able to fly "x" ship or fit "x" module. I don't think mission runners have the market cornered on gear hounds.
Missions do have some valuable lessons in them for those willing to learn and adapt. Learning how to maximize your isk outlay, how to effectively work in the markets are all goal's a serious mission runner needs to undertake. Mission runners are the lifeblood of the faction module economy and being able to leverage your LP is a more or less necessary skill at this point in Eve to realize any real profits. Most mission runners also end up developing very good PVP skills ( t2 weapons and tanks) and don't realize it. Getting the use of the best modules in the game to minimize mission times is on every mission runners to do list. Those same skills allow you to have a very solid base for starting PVP down the road.
I know lots of people think of mission runners as morons. That's cool. No skin off my nose. What they don't realize is a efficient mission runner has lots of skills built up and a solid knowledge of most facets of Eve. Sure they aren't gods in a fight, or maybe even very good. There is a lot more to Eve than just shooting people though. And I think if there was a way to get people out in small cheap ships without being instantly roasted by a 10 man gate camp you'd see more people out there. As it is with huge powerblocs, constant hotdrops and general asshattery by the "PVP" public lots of people have better things to do with their hour or two of playtime a night. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
54
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Posted - 2011.12.12 01:20:00 -
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Nor Tzestu wrote: Why do I mission?
Well, It fits my playtime best of all Eve activities. I have kids/wife etc. Full time job all that hub lub. I can log on, make a little isk and log off. No worries about being on someone's schedule but my own. Ships and stuff? I don't know I guess there is a bit of carrot on a stick about them. I do personally really like the ships in this game. Being able to afford a nice well fitted boat is certainly a worthy goal in my opinion. Not the end all be all of the game, but something you should look forward to. I know people who PVP and they love finally being able to fly "x" ship or fit "x" module. I don't think mission runners have the market cornered on gear hounds.
Missions do have some valuable lessons in them for those willing to learn and adapt. Learning how to maximize your isk outlay, how to effectively work in the markets are all goal's a serious mission runner needs to undertake. Mission runners are the lifeblood of the faction module economy and being able to leverage your LP is a more or less necessary skill at this point in Eve to realize any real profits. Most mission runners also end up developing very good PVP skills ( t2 weapons and tanks) and don't realize it. Getting the use of the best modules in the game to minimize mission times is on every mission runners to do list. Those same skills allow you to have a very solid base for starting PVP down the road.
I know lots of people think of mission runners as morons. That's cool. No skin off my nose. What they don't realize is a efficient mission runner has lots of skills built up and a solid knowledge of most facets of Eve. Sure they aren't gods in a fight, or maybe even very good. There is a lot more to Eve than just shooting people though. And I think if there was a way to get people out in small cheap ships without being instantly roasted by a 10 man gate camp you'd see more people out there. As it is with huge powerblocs, constant hotdrops and general asshattery by the "PVP" public lots of people have better things to do with their hour or two of playtime a night.
Holy crap! A real mission bear! Get it!
Just kidding, glad to see there are some mission bears who actually read the forums. It's your 15 per month, play how you want. |
Aggressive Nutmeg
48
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:01:00 -
[99] - Quote
This whole thread is a troll, surely? There is no such thing as just a Missioner.
I don't believe any player does just one thing in this game - unless they're less than a month old or a bot.
I run L4 missions in a BC, Salvage in a Noctis, PVP in cheap T1 frigs, Manufacture (mostly to replace my own ships!) and Hulk Mine (although not for months - reprocessing loot now gives me more than enough for manufacture).
I'm not Elite at anything just yet, but I enjoy seeing the incremental improvements as my experience and skills improve.
And the plans I have for next year will see me doing a range of new tasks.
If PVP was the only option in EVE, I would definitely have quit from boredom in the first week. |
Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
74
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Posted - 2011.12.12 04:12:00 -
[100] - Quote
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Thredd Necro wrote:BTW who does your translations? They are very good but clearly english is not your first language.
Yo u caught me dawg. ebonix iz muh motha fuckin first language, ah use uh little chinese boy ta transmalate ta cracker ass english otay buh-weet Edit: Aw I put effort into that too!
I appreciate your consideration and effort.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. - Douglas Adams |
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
20
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Posted - 2011.12.15 16:51:00 -
[101] - Quote
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
I had burned out on EVE months ago when this topic was started. I have since come back and while I still do not enjoy running the missions themselves, the easy ISK they supply me with to fund my other characters is desirable.
I think this sort of thing is what the "edit" button is for. You should be able to modify your post. Just add something to the end (no need for "retroactive continuity") indicating you've had a slight change of heart and that humanity will suffer because you're running level IVs instead of adding purpose to the intarwebs.
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Chung Ju-yung
Science and Trade Institute
0
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Posted - 2011.12.16 02:09:00 -
[102] - Quote
I have a decided dislike for all things mission running, but I need the standing for my business.
Were there some bribery alternative system in the game, I would not be wasting my time. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
27
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Posted - 2011.12.16 05:18:00 -
[103] - Quote
I've been playing one of them theme park mmos lately, and being very honest a level 4 mission is harder than what most of these people seem capable of. lv 4s seem to be at least more fun that solitaire. |
Kietay Ayari
Rogue Elements.
82
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:42:00 -
[104] - Quote
Doing missions over and over to improve just to be able to do better missions faster is exactly the same as playing MapleStory.
This is really all that needs to be said. :D
Ferox #1 |
Forando
Interstellar Cowards
0
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Posted - 2011.12.16 16:06:00 -
[105] - Quote
I do missions. Mainly to rescue the ever so grateful Damsel in Distress.. (cue: Barry White) |
Alaric Faelen
Aquila Venatici Bringers of Death.
18
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Posted - 2011.12.19 18:23:00 -
[106] - Quote
Why run missions? To pay for PvP. Simply put. I'll PvE to pay for PvP but that's about it. I've spent most of my time in Eve running missions. Classic care bear but not by choice so much as just biding my time until I had the skills up, the income to 'be able to afford to lose' my PvP ships, and learned the game's mechanics better. Missions are (usually) nearby, fast, and terribly easy. Skills used for security missions relate to skills used for PvP, so the goals are often lined up nicely. Most missions can be run solo, again, quickly and just them done to swell that wallet so you can go melt someone's face in null.
For just wanting to be able to outfit PvP vessels in a hurry, I like missions. The fact that they are dull and too easy is just motivation to PvP myself into the poor house weekly.
Run PvE missions all week with a clone with good implants, come the weekend jump into a stripped clone and go collect mails-- loss mails if you're me, but even being vaporized is more fun than winning missions.
I just spent an entire afternoon roaming half of New Eden for one fight (that I lost) but still had more fun flying with a couple wing mates and in dangerous space for no gain at all, than make bank spending that same time running missions. Doesn't matter what form of PvE, it's all just a way to let me raid the market for pew pew boats. |
Rayvonuk
Phoenix Club
0
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Posted - 2011.12.20 03:07:00 -
[107] - Quote
My goal is to get the standings required then stop the monotony |
Anize Oramara
Ultimate Inc. Hephaestus Forge Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.12.20 08:41:00 -
[108] - Quote
Missioning allows me the means to help my corp mates. The means being Big ships, Isk, Minerals and LP. |
ACESsiggy
VC Academy
8
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Posted - 2011.12.20 18:16:00 -
[109] - Quote
I've only done missions b/c I can't seem to actively get involved in WH activities with a corp; don't have the right SP / Ships to participate. Then there is the, "do you have WH experience" question that arises. Once I say, "Well not really," I eventually get the cold shoulder.
So as you can see, I actively stay in my simplistic realm of NPC domination.
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Anize Oramara
Ultimate Inc. Hephaestus Forge Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.12.21 07:50:00 -
[110] - Quote
ACESsiggy wrote:I've only done missions b/c I can't seem to actively get involved in WH activities with a corp; don't have the right SP / Ships to participate. Then there is the, "do you have WH experience" question that arises. Once I say, "Well not really," I eventually get the cold shoulder.
That's stupidly ********. Isn't the whole idea of a corp to help you do things you can't do yet? Might have to look for another corp there mate. I was barely a month old when I joined the corp and one of the first things a couple of us corpies did was go into wormholes and get ourselves killed. But it was fun and we noobs learned a lot. Now I can say that I have a lot of wormhole experience and we regularly go into wormholes and I'm not even 3 months old. Hell so long as you can fly a cruiser I'd take you into a wormhole. Losing your ship is part of wormholes :)
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Ssakaa
Murientor Tribe
0
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Posted - 2011.12.25 11:43:00 -
[111] - Quote
Simply put, it's all of it a means towards one single end. As close to a perfect plus 10 with Minmatar Republic, Gal Fed, Krusual tribe and Sebiestor tribe as is possible, because I enjoy the roleplay elements surrounding the above NPC entities.
By the same token, attaining close to, or, a perfect minus 10 with the Amarr and Ammatar/Nefantar is also a motivation, for the same reason.
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Deltan Fervus
Romex Inc. Dustm3n
0
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Posted - 2011.12.26 07:14:00 -
[112] - Quote
Honestly, blowing stuff up is a legitimate enough reason for me; the ISK is nice too. I can honestly say that just having money is a decent/respectable goal. Oftentimes I don't even have much I need to buy aside from the occasional extra drone or ammo restocking, so there's PLEXes too. I got no issues with running myself broke all the time, and I just gotta make things go boom to make it back. Good enough for me. |
Malamber
Lightning Squad
0
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Posted - 2011.12.27 23:16:00 -
[113] - Quote
Meh, he only wants answers from people he disagrees with. Everyone else's opinion has already been discounted by him. This passive aggressive stuff really is a train wreck though... |
J Kunjeh
126
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Posted - 2011.12.28 00:51:00 -
[114] - Quote
Anize Oramara wrote:ACESsiggy wrote:I've only done missions b/c I can't seem to actively get involved in WH activities with a corp; don't have the right SP / Ships to participate. Then there is the, "do you have WH experience" question that arises. Once I say, "Well not really," I eventually get the cold shoulder.
That's stupidly ********. Isn't the whole idea of a corp to help you do things you can't do yet? Might have to look for another corp there mate.
It's the same cold shoulder you get when looking for a job and they ask "so, do you have any experience?" See, Eve IS for realz.
"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Vanilkin
New Paradise AAA Citizens
0
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Posted - 2011.12.28 12:23:00 -
[115] - Quote
The reason for mission running of many ppl is to pimp their ships by officer mods and then lose it to angry gankers )) .... and start allover again lol Groundhog Day every day |
Tariq Norn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.02 18:42:00 -
[116] - Quote
My tuppence worth from a self confessed mission-*****...running missions since 2006.....
Missions give me continuity basically.
They are something I can pick up and do, how and when I choose.
Noone else depends on my involvement, nor can anyone spoil it unless I allow them to.
They provide a regular and dependable income source.
They can be run quickly and efficiently in one of my uber mission runner ships (Mach, Tengu, Nightmare, I have them all), or I can make it interesting and run a worlds collide in a wolf for Sh.ts and giggles.
By maintaining a steady and decent income and security rating, they allow me to roam in low sec, or locate and bankroll one of my characters (I run two) in nullsec or wh space. I have lived in nullsec on one of those alts on two occasions for a few months each time...it was ok, but tbh it restricted my gameplay in terms of hyow and when too much to fit in with my RL.
Occsionally CCP see sense and throw in something sweet for us missioners....dread pirate is the current 'thing', and it helps to stir it up a bit.
Mission running, at level 3 and 4 level is no more repetitive than any other platformer, ipad game, xbox shooter fest and as a previous poster stated....i get to fly internet spaceships.
Finally...mission running allows me to chat to ppl all over the world from my corp or from my contacts log from various times in null, low, wh space or the equivalent and is a sociable pursuit.
Does that help at all. |
Rawanda Johnson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.02 21:38:00 -
[117] - Quote
+10 with every corp in the game.
Should keep me busy while I pursue my other goals. |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.02 21:40:00 -
[118] - Quote
- Standings for clones/pos - Easy isk - little time commitment, they can wait for me rather then having to wait for them - no one is making me run them faster, - i can afk them - more isk per time at keyboard then mining - always available for me when i want them where i want them
something to do when i have time and no one else is online to shoot things with. sometimes there isnt anyone you really know online. i can make 50 mil half asleep and lose it later when i got friends around.
oh yeah and what that guy said about benchmark testing of ships. with a dependable amount of dps in a mission, and a way to mock up a solo action without being solo, is a great way to test the a pvp fitting without the same risk.
dropping a logi onto a pvp fit bs after the aggro has been assigned is a great way to judge how fast you will burn under real pvp fire. its not the same, but you can judge your fitting by how fast you can catch things and kill them, you just have to figure out the equivalencies.
Incursion runners hate it when you fall asleep on them. |
Squidgey
Perkone Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.01.02 22:12:00 -
[119] - Quote
Here is why I do it.
1: I have less than 6 million sp. 2: I need to make iskies to pay for my next new toy of mission running. 3: Obtaining the next new toy of mission running will allow me to obtain iskies at a higher rate. 4: All the while, I am constantly training support skills for yet better ships (which apply to current ones) 5: Eventually I will be able to reliably do... something better.
Main account is paid for monthly. Alt account is paid with plex. Currently have about 700m and will be in a tengu with all relevant skills to 4+ in about a month and a half. Meanwhile, I am saving up iskies to be able to buy my tengu, then blow it up and buy a new one.
TL:DR I do them for the sake of progress. Once missions no longer suit my needs I will move on. |
fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2012.01.02 22:53:00 -
[120] - Quote
to **** ccp off. |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
897
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Posted - 2012.01.02 23:20:00 -
[121] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Agent, Corporation and Faction Standings.
^ this
I run missions for:
- NPC standings
- passing time doing something in EVE that feels semi-productive, when I have enough time to log on but not enough time for group activities. Log in, chat, run missions.
- watching my ships travel through space. Seriously, courier missions are great for the passive entertainment: autopilot + Ctrl+F9. Sit that screen to the side while I do some programming, read email, catch up on my RSS feeds, etc.
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Kara Books
Hedion University Amarr Empire
83
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Posted - 2012.01.05 09:40:00 -
[122] - Quote
Running missions is a great way to kill time and create jump clones, while those big skills finish training. |
Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
2
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Posted - 2012.01.05 15:51:00 -
[123] - Quote
On one of my earlier characters I ran L4 missions exclusively for nearly a year before moving on to the Null Sec alliance scene.
What did I get out of it?
- Hours of mindless enjoyment
- Ever better ships and mods (nearly no limit to how much isk you sink into a ship)
- The daily challenge of completing the missions faster and faster (ended up being able to wax BS rats in just over 60 seconds)
- The adventure and challenge of thwarting ninjas
- The occasional mega-awesome drop
- Isk, Isk, and more ISK (a goal all it's own)
- The ability to indulge an obsession with setting little records for myself in terms of mission rewards and LP conversions
- The comedy of coming to the forums and finding out my very existence seems to **** some people off to no end!
Cheers.
Spy |
Jyla Olanaki
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.06 02:58:00 -
[124] - Quote
I still run a lot of missions whenever I get a chance to hop out of my wh for a while. The standing grind is part of it as i'd like to optomize my refine and taxes anywhere my wh could concievable drop me off. The other part; however, is just simple enjoyment. Unlike sleeper sites in our c6, I can simply kick back and enjoy blasting some rats alone. It takes the edge off my otherwise intense dscan spamming lifestyle. |
Spineker
94
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Posted - 2012.01.06 05:15:00 -
[125] - Quote
My goal is to kill every NPC before downtime! That is the goal I set! Suck it up if you don't like it but I try hard everyday |
Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:40:00 -
[126] - Quote
I go with theraputic...it's relaxing.
I've asked the same question...I mission and mission stacking isk upon isk...accumulate ships...stack up more isk etc.
At first, I did it to get an isk revenue stream so that my alt can do other, more fun stuff. However, I've noticed I don't play that alt very often.
I play one other MMORPG that is pure PvP based and very exciting/competitive. When I wish PvP I go there. I guess I find Eve PvP lacking because of the saying 'there are no fair fights'. While I understand this is PvP and has its place...I *WANT* fair fights...and so I get my PvP fix elsewhere.
When I come on here, it's usually after a hectic day at work and I want to veg.
I KNOW it is pointless to accumulate isk and possessions...but I still do it. I guess I feel I will put it to use someday. I do send some off as voluntary donations to the corp and that helps them. However, I use missioning to Veg. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2783
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Posted - 2012.02.06 21:14:00 -
[127] - Quote
Nuela wrote:I go with theraputic...it's relaxing.
I've asked the same question...I mission and mission stacking isk upon isk...accumulate ships...stack up more isk etc.
At first, I did it to get an isk revenue stream so that my alt can do other, more fun stuff. However, I've noticed I don't play that alt very often.
I play one other MMORPG that is pure PvP based and very exciting/competitive. When I wish PvP I go there. I guess I find Eve PvP lacking because of the saying 'there are no fair fights'. While I understand this is PvP and has its place...I *WANT* fair fights...and so I get my PvP fix elsewhere.
When I come on here, it's usually after a hectic day at work and I want to veg.
I KNOW it is pointless to accumulate isk and possessions...but I still do it. I guess I feel I will put it to use someday. I do send some off as voluntary donations to the corp and that helps them. However, I use missioning to Veg.
You might wish to consider that this mentality is part of what makes EVE such an interesting socio-psychological experiment. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Oxylan
1 Caldaryjski Pluton Uderzeniowy
2
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Posted - 2012.02.06 23:02:00 -
[128] - Quote
Hi
If you focus on long therm missioning only for isk you do it wrong, you need to love missions it self :D, my goal is 10.00 to Caldari State so far i have 9.96, sadly high standig dont play big role in EvE, in fact you can get only some faction ships while you recive 9.20, 9.60, 9,90 to faction rase, and this is sad part of EvE game mechanic, while we talk about relation betwen factions and player, i wish we got more things depending on standings, not only to reduce "tax" while reporcesing modules - ore in station...
Sorry for my English. |
Allyia Base
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.06 23:04:00 -
[129] - Quote
Goal? I don't have one of those and if I ever do, it doesn't stick long.
Why do I mission a lot? Easy: because it can be done with one account efficiently. I do a lot of other things for the same reason. |
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
5
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Posted - 2012.02.07 00:27:00 -
[130] - Quote
I run missions when I scan through 15 systems and find 500 C1 wormholes and nothing else. FUUUUUUUUU
I run missions because:
-High sec jump clones. -LP rewards. -Free isk. -High sec POS. -Easy income to supply suicide alt with goodies. |
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Surge Roth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.02.08 04:49:00 -
[131] - Quote
Spineker wrote:My goal is to kill every NPC before downtime! That is the goal I set! Suck it up if you don't like it but I try hard everyday
They never know when to give up either. Just as i return back to my agent with a grin ear to ear telling him how I cleared out that pirate complex, he informs me that there is a blockade somewhere near by.
I know your feel. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
48
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Posted - 2012.02.08 07:22:00 -
[132] - Quote
I did grind them to gain standings for minmatar various factions that was before mission made simple thing before that was to gain isk as young noob or to fleet with some peeps and just blast and chat about w/e.
Now i barely play game and tent to suffer for 2-3 days in incursions to prolong my chars license. |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
38
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Posted - 2012.02.08 21:34:00 -
[133] - Quote
Spend 5 days a week missioning to make lots of money.
At the end of the fifth day I spend about 50% of my cash (usually around 200 to 400 mil depending on how good the week was)
Then I buy some nice PVP stuff and head into null.
Honestly running missions is the best way to make money for PVP. Because the skills you train for the combat related missions can also apply to PVP making you an overall better pilot.
What's even better is when you get the chance to run some missions in a ship that you will use when you head off to make other people cry. That way you will get used to how the ship handles and what it's capable of. Sure you will generally be using different modules when you head out to low and/or null but the basic feel of the ship is still there. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
135
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Posted - 2012.02.10 02:06:00 -
[134] - Quote
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:I found purpose in suicide ganking other people while I still played for a while, to harvest tears. I think a better question is how is it that people like you manage to derive pleasure from purposely making others miserable (ie collect tears)?
Have you ever sought professional help? <== Serious question, as sadism isn't exactly "normal" behaviour.
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Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
498
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Posted - 2012.02.10 02:32:00 -
[135] - Quote
Mina Sebiestar wrote: Now i barely play game and tent to suffer for 2-3 days in incursions to prolong my chars license.
Ouch! I find this kinda sad. Why play at all if this is all you get from eve?
Spineker wrote:My goal is to kill every NPC before downtime! That is the goal I set! Suck it up if you don't like it but I try hard everyday
/me is doing her bit on the sleeper front.
Surge Roth wrote: They never know when to give up either. Just as i return back to my agent with a grin ear to ear telling him how I cleared out that pirate complex, he informs me that there is a blockade somewhere nearby.
Sleepers, with their advanced AI, are at least civilised enough to stay stopped for a time. I clear a system of sleepers and it stays cleared ... for a little while at least :-)
We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
49
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Posted - 2012.02.10 07:00:00 -
[136] - Quote
Substantia Nigra wrote:Mina Sebiestar wrote: Now i barely play game and tent to suffer for 2-3 days in incursions to prolong my chars license.
Ouch! I find this kinda sad. Why play at all if this is all you get from eve?
Good point i guess im just burn out i need brake from eve for quite some time now but then again i just love to buzz around in space in my free time and EvE is just most complex and visual best looking space buzzer around.
I did try some other space mmo's in last few days/weeks in intention to shut down Eve accounts i let go one account already that is but what i found is: unreal space,childish approach to anything,"lvl" 30 in 3+days,buy anything with RL money crap.
Anything out there fall flat on its face after first few lazor shots set in :/
So no idea rly how to answer your question,i need 1-3 days or 10-15hours a month in this game hardly worth 15$ to me and spending that few hours grinding incursions is not rly what i would do/want if game is FTP or something. |
Sydaphex
Death Metal Unicorns from Outer Space III
1
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Posted - 2012.02.10 10:26:00 -
[137] - Quote
Why Mission Running? For the Glory of Empress Jamyl and to safe the Minmatar from themselves of course. It is your responsibility capsuleer. That is why you are immortal.
Have Fun and a nice weekend to all of you!
Edit: Did I mention that it is Gods Will? |
Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints Assassin Confederacy
33
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Posted - 2012.02.11 05:28:00 -
[138] - Quote
Why I mission:
Sometimes I have done all I'm going to do on the market screen. I can Day trade while I mission. The missions help spiral my standings up. High standings improve my profit margins. I test everything in the game that I can and missions help make that posible. Improved pvp: To be good at pvp you must understand every little aspect of every ship. The isk from the missions help pay for my testing of different ships. LP is nice when I just want to pick up an implant for a jump clone without dealing with market. Easy thing to do while I hang with a corp mate. |
Abyss Azizora
Yuengling Technologies
1
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Posted - 2012.02.11 05:44:00 -
[139] - Quote
Personally I have an obsession with trying to get 10.00 standings with every single Amarr Corp/Agent/Sub faction. Is it really all that beneficial? Not particularly, but I guess that's the completionist in me. It also provides the obvious income and entertainment while my alts run the market orders. Once I have everyone at 10.00 standings? Move onto something else, but by then I'll likely be so rich that missions will no longer have a purpose. |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.02.11 14:14:00 -
[140] - Quote
I think Squidgey put it nicely, for a lot of people. Missions allow you to slowly scale up your isk-making by slowly upgrading your mission ship. At some point you'll be making enough isk to reliably pay for things that aren't mods for your mission ship.
I remember when I first started running L4's, I was happy to make 20 mil in a day's time....that isn't going to fuel any kind of pvp habit unless you enjoy being blown up in T1 frigates and cruisers. Now that pve is a bit more lucrative, it's not hard to take something bigger out to play. |
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Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.02.11 15:16:00 -
[141] - Quote
Two reasons for me, find it relaxing to start with and secondly to fund my account. RL Money is tight right now (everything decided to break down at the same time in my house :p) so I've had to switch over to plexing for the next couple of months. |
orangeFool
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
24
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Posted - 2012.02.12 12:11:00 -
[142] - Quote
I mission 1. to get pirate standings to -10 2. to get certain NPC corps to +10 3. to have fun flying space ships in space
Captains Qupboard: disabled | Awaiting Disable NeX checkbox |
Mnengli Noiliffe
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.02.12 15:09:00 -
[143] - Quote
I grinded for a few days to get low grade virtue set for cheap.. man, was that boring! i hope i will never have to do that again. |
Sinooko
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
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Posted - 2012.02.13 22:03:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:Wordle wrote:
But as far as those fabled crazy folks out there who mission all day, every day, I do know of one and he missions in the system I inhabit. He's pretty weird and doesn't PvP. All he does is missions. All he trains for is more missioning ships. I don't know what his deal is, OP. He has been playing EvE since 2006. While you do seem like a troll, your question is valid, but I don't know if the people you're referring to read these forums.
Those are the people I'm looking for, I assume it would be fair after this long that people like that do not frequent / visit the forums at all. Oh well.
Weird people who play an MMO as if it were single player or simply a chat room service?
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Posted - 2012.02.13 22:36:00 -
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To pay the bills of my nullsec main.
Yes I could rat or run anoms or w/e else, but like most smaller null corps the space we have isn't very good and we have to move around a good bit. Being able to funnel in a steady stream of cash without worrying over when the next chance I'll have to run things into empire or try to hock something at a good npc station is a crutch I would'nt want to live without. I'm sure it is diffirent for the long-standing established alliances out there, but for the peasantry highsec alts (incursion farming not withstanding) are a fact of life.
Most ironic is that half of these people, folks in my own corp included, will smack highsec all day on the forums. They don't really hate mission runners or anyone else I think, they just hate the fact they feel obligated to do it themselves. I think they hope if highsec income is sufficiently nerfed they can actually live off nullsec as more people moving there would improve some of the sporradic local npc economies. Unfortunately, and those of us who have lived out there the longest can tell you, that simply would not happen regardless of what ccp did to highsec. The logistics of keeping one of our home stations stocked is halaioursly difficult. When PL or some other big-dog isn't in down camping and ensuring our carriers can't arrive with resupply we still have to deal with our neighboring small corps who try to do the same thing on a smaller scale. Growing the economy in an area where massive bubble blobs are a fact of life would simply not happen on the scale required to get rid of highsec alts.
So try as we might, I think most of us are related by one degree or another to the highsec bears. If we don't have one, we depend on one to keep us flying the ships we love to get blown up. I have a bit of disdain for incursions generating so much raw isk and thus inflation, but mission runners are ok by me. I may grief some of them on occasion, but I dare not consider their pastime some kind of irrelavence. Anyone who thinks the "single-player," mission runners dumping impossibly large numbers of faction modules on the market (and thusly sinking tons of isk into the LP store and our of the EVE economy) have no effect on the game are woefully stupid. |
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I've always been a bit scared of actual PvP sort of like a phobia, so I stuck to high sec and grinded missions to see something blow up and not face any real big danger. Lately though I have gotten into low sec PvP and I see how fun it really is and it really isn't that dangerous so I think my major mission grinding days are over. But I still need to get money some how for my weekend nights out on the prowl
Also I like to talk in the chat channels a lot so running missions makes it easy to talk to people, make money, and not really have to pay attention to the overview for a pirate. |
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