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Mists Rage
The Mean Machine
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Posted - 2011.10.23 23:36:00 -
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I'm fairly new to Eve and I really like it, but I don't have multiple accounts or anything. Since I am in college, I can not actively play the game during the weekdays. So mining is much more attractive because I can just get into a belt and mine, all the while I do work.
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Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.10.26 01:11:00 -
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I mine coz I wanna get some isk to buy next skill book while learning the previous skill book. |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2011.10.26 05:11:00 -
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I troll because it fills the gaping need between my ears.
As to mining, most roids in high sec don't shoot back. So when I'm chatting and forum warrioring, I don't need to jump back to the client every five seconds. Of course, nowadays, I run level 3 courier missions for the FUN of it. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.26 09:53:00 -
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Tasko Pal wrote:
most roids in high sec don't shoot back
Most? You mean some do? I want to meet these brave asteroids for fighting back at their miner oppressor.
On a serious note, how do you guys even pull a decent profit? Can mining is foolish so you need at least two people to an "op" as you call it, unless you want to deal with an excessive amount of GSCs, which means profits are split between two people but only one set of lasers doing the mining. The raw ISK per hour of mining without even factoring travel, processing, and user inefficiencies is abysmal.
I'd really love to know how some people manage to make this work. I hope the answer isn't long hours, that's would be a bit disappointing. |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
7
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:41:00 -
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I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
On a serious note, how do you guys even pull a decent profit? Can mining is foolish so you need at least two people to an "op" as you call it, unless you want to deal with an excessive amount of GSCs, which means profits are split between two people but only one set of lasers doing the mining. The raw ISK per hour of mining without even factoring travel, processing, and user inefficiencies is abysmal.
One person can run several alts. Though you can't forum warrior so well when you're doing that.
And what is "decent profit"? If you're watching a movie or answering tech support, you're not going to pull 100 mil/hr.
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People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
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Posted - 2011.10.27 02:51:00 -
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Tasko Pal wrote:I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
On a serious note, how do you guys even pull a decent profit? Can mining is foolish so you need at least two people to an "op" as you call it, unless you want to deal with an excessive amount of GSCs, which means profits are split between two people but only one set of lasers doing the mining. The raw ISK per hour of mining without even factoring travel, processing, and user inefficiencies is abysmal.
One person can run several alts. Though you can't forum warrior so well when you're doing that. And what is "decent profit"? If you're watching a movie or answering tech support, you're not going to pull 100 mil/hr.
No hulk pulls 100 mil an hour worth of minerals anyway. Ever.
Those multiple alts have a cost, be it 15 dollars a month or be it PLEX. Especially when it comes to PLEX the ISK requirement grows linearly and you still have to mine the many hours it takes to get enough ISK for PLEXes on those miners. Just to break even! |
Average Joseph
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.27 04:39:00 -
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I mine because it's a peaceful, relaxing activity. After stressing my brain all through the workday, I just want to log in, set up shop in a quiet belt, and chat with hilarious EVE people... earning a little spending money while I do it.
Combat character for when I'm psyched, mining character for when I'm burnt out. |
Tractor Trailer
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.27 06:46:00 -
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Like a poster above said I mine because I find it fun, Is it a bit monotonous? Sure. Yet I find it fun. I guess it really goes back to my Days in SWG when I was a Ranger and would spend my time gathering materials needed to make armor and weapons then sell them to make money. I enjoy the solitude yet also knowing that I am contributing to something larger, even if it is the construction of a Battleship for a new player who will lose it in 5 minutes. I have had a few characters and have tried PvP and Mission Running but I always come back to mining. Could I make more Isk doing other things, sure but whats the point if you do not enjoy it? |
Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
17
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Posted - 2011.10.27 12:54:00 -
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I don't mine at all on this account. I have people to do that.
To be serious, though, when I mine, I do it to get the minerals I need for production. I simply don't want to waste money on stuff that I can go grab myself, so I can start banging rocks together in my quarters (AKA "produce" stuff). Why reduce potential profit by buying minerals from someone else, when instead you can just go grab those rocks yourself?
I can understand why pirates can't see how mining can be profitable. Likewise, I can't see how PVP or suicide can be profitable. Where do you earn ISK by blowing up someone else's ship and pod, and then watch your own blow up later?
I honestly don't give a rat's ass about what others may say about mining. If they don't like it, then they shouldn't do it. More ore for those of us who actually enjoy sitting around after a long day at school or work, and just watch the minerals flowing into our cargohold. Those who're more interested in fast-paced action-oriented game-play should just leave us miners with our Hulks and Orcas and let us go by our own business. And those who just want to be ****heads towards everyone else, should go to Hell (in lieu of that, go to Jita. It's bigger and more hostile, but it's the closest EVE gets to having a Hell). |
People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
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Posted - 2011.10.27 13:33:00 -
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Anshio Tamark wrote:
To be serious, though, when I mine, I do it to get the minerals I need for production. I simply don't want to waste money on stuff that I can go grab myself, so I can start banging rocks together in my quarters (AKA "produce" stuff). Why reduce potential profit by buying minerals from someone else, when instead you can just go grab those rocks yourself?.
Or you could take exactly the same time you spent mining those rocks, make more isk in that time, buy the said minerals you need and still have some ISK left over.
Time is not free. Minerals you mine are not free of cost, you pay with your time. |
Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
17
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Posted - 2011.10.27 14:20:00 -
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People's Republic ofChina wrote:Anshio Tamark wrote:
To be serious, though, when I mine, I do it to get the minerals I need for production. I simply don't want to waste money on stuff that I can go grab myself, so I can start banging rocks together in my quarters (AKA "produce" stuff). Why reduce potential profit by buying minerals from someone else, when instead you can just go grab those rocks yourself?.
Or you could take exactly the same time you spent mining those rocks, make more isk in that time, buy the said minerals you need and still have some ISK left over. Time is not free. Minerals you mine are not free of cost, you pay with your time.
Yea... that's probably what one of you PVP-geeks would do. Biggest difference is: I don't PVP, I'd rather spend time getting the materials myself than pay someone to provide me with materials, and I don't care about what others would do. I do things my way, you do things your way, neither of us needs to waste any more time arguing. |
People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
4
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Posted - 2011.10.27 16:03:00 -
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Anshio Tamark wrote:People's Republic ofChina wrote:Anshio Tamark wrote:
To be serious, though, when I mine, I do it to get the minerals I need for production. I simply don't want to waste money on stuff that I can go grab myself, so I can start banging rocks together in my quarters (AKA "produce" stuff). Why reduce potential profit by buying minerals from someone else, when instead you can just go grab those rocks yourself?.
Or you could take exactly the same time you spent mining those rocks, make more isk in that time, buy the said minerals you need and still have some ISK left over. Time is not free. Minerals you mine are not free of cost, you pay with your time. Yea... that's probably what one of you PVP-geeks would do. Biggest difference is: I don't PVP, I'd rather spend time getting the materials myself than pay someone to provide me with materials, and I don't care about what others would do. I do things my way, you do things your way, neither of us needs to waste any more time arguing.
Don't be mistaken, I'm not bashing your ways of entertainment, but your post seemed to imply a statement that it was reducing profits when other impressionable players might get the wrong idea that this was actually efficient. If you have fun doing it this way all the power to you.
And I'm not really a "PvP geek", unless you consider suicide ganking miners pvp. I prefer to call it preying on the afk.
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People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
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Posted - 2011.10.27 16:06:00 -
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Anshio Tamark wrote:People's Republic ofChina wrote:Anshio Tamark wrote:
To be serious, though, when I mine, I do it to get the minerals I need for production. I simply don't want to waste money on stuff that I can go grab myself, so I can start banging rocks together in my quarters (AKA "produce" stuff). Why reduce potential profit by buying minerals from someone else, when instead you can just go grab those rocks yourself?.
Or you could take exactly the same time you spent mining those rocks, make more isk in that time, buy the said minerals you need and still have some ISK left over. Time is not free. Minerals you mine are not free of cost, you pay with your time. Yea... that's probably what one of you PVP-geeks would do. Biggest difference is: I don't PVP, I'd rather spend time getting the materials myself than pay someone to provide me with materials, and I don't care about what others would do. I do things my way, you do things your way, neither of us needs to waste any more time arguing.
Don't be mistaken, I'm not bashing your ways of entertainment, but your post seemed to imply a statement that it was reducing profits when other impressionable players might get the wrong idea that this was actually efficient. If you have fun doing it this way all the power to you.
And I'm not really a "PvP geek", unless you consider suicide ganking miners pvp. I prefer to call it preying on the afk.
Anshio Tamark wrote:
Likewise, I can't see how PVP or suicide can be profitable. Where do you earn ISK by blowing up someone else's ship and pod, and then watch your own blow up later?
Suicide ganking miners for profit? Any direct profit is a bonus to the amusement I get out of it. |
Iosue
UV Heavy Industries
STR8NGE BREW
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Posted - 2011.10.27 18:01:00 -
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i mine because of falcon hulk. |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
7
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Posted - 2011.10.27 20:03:00 -
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People's Republic ofChina wrote:
No hulk pulls 100 mil an hour worth of minerals anyway. Ever.
And no one claimed it did.
Quote:Those multiple alts have a cost, be it 15 dollars a month or be it PLEX. Especially when it comes to PLEX the ISK requirement grows linearly and you still have to mine the many hours it takes to get enough ISK for PLEXes on those miners. Just to break even!
EDIT: Wow it's really gotten bad, with a perfect Hulk and gang boosting he still only pulls aproximately 47 mil an hour of Arkonor, and for hi-sec which is where the vast majority of you are, 17 mil an hour from Pyroxeres. You'd have to be running 6 hulks just to pull 100 mil an hour out of high-sec, and I wouldn't be risking my ass trying to get ABC multiboxing that many hulks.
So maybe 30-35 hours of 7 box high sec mining a month and you've paid for all the accounts involved? Something of a pain, but not impossible. More importantly, the whole point of mining is that you can do it while you do something else. That's why ice mining has even lower returns per hour. Because it is even easier to afk.
And multiboxing in deep blue space isn't that hard. You'll have warning for most of the pies well before they get to your system. Something like 30-40 minutes of that sort of mining pays for a hulk and its equipment.
Point is mining does have its niche for people with particular activity levels or demands on their time.
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GreasyCarl Semah
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.27 21:21:00 -
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People's Republic ofChina wrote:[quote=Tasko Pal][quote=I Accidentally YourShip]
EDIT: Wow it's really gotten bad, with a perfect Hulk and gang boosting he still only pulls aproximately 47 mil an hour of Arkonor, and for hi-sec which is where the vast majority of you are, 17 mil an hour from Pyroxeres. You'd have to be running 6 hulks just to pull 100 mil an hour out of high-sec, and I wouldn't be risking my ass trying to get ABC multiboxing that many hulks.
Just FYI, I run 3 accounts with one Orca and two hulks and I can pull roughly 60 million an hour on Pyroxeres. I would think with 6 accounts you could do much more but the problem would most likely be finding the rocks. This is a maxed out 107m sp Orca pilot as gang leader with the implant.
I only mine when I am reading a book or watching videos on my computer. The point is just to get something for my time rather than nothing in my case. Buying ore, refining it perfectly and using it for manufacturing is a much easier way to get tons of money.
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Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
18
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Posted - 2011.10.27 21:35:00 -
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People's Republic ofChina wrote:Suicide ganking miners for profit? Any direct profit is a bonus to the amusement I get out of it.
...I'm not even going to try and find out what kind of messed up mind-set you need to derive amusement from shooting others... The only ones I can think of who would derive pleasure from inflicting damage on others, whether physical, mental or economical, would be psychopaths or sociopaths... Until someone can come up with a proper argument to justify shooting others, I won't try to understand why one would drop that low. Well, I've got other games to play anyway. I can live without EVE for a while. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
29
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Posted - 2011.10.27 23:49:00 -
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Anshio Tamark wrote:People's Republic ofChina wrote:Suicide ganking miners for profit? Any direct profit is a bonus to the amusement I get out of it. ...I'm not even going to try and find out what kind of messed up mind-set you need to derive amusement from shooting others... The only ones I can think of who would derive pleasure from inflicting damage on others, whether physical, mental or economical, would be psychopaths or sociopaths... Until someone can come up with a proper argument to justify shooting others, I won't try to understand why one would drop that low. Well, I've got other games to play anyway. I can live without EVE for a while.
1. he's mining my rocks, he's gotta go.
2. he's supplying my enemies (direct or otherwise) he's got to go
3. he's a bot MUST DIE NAO
4. juicy tears
#4 is realistically the only "fun" one... but 1,2,3 are definitely reasons that you'd want to shoot people as well.
also, combat is relatively fun :) |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
7
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Posted - 2011.10.28 04:30:00 -
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Anshio Tamark wrote:
...I'm not even going to try and find out what kind of messed up mind-set you need to derive amusement from shooting others... The only ones I can think of who would derive pleasure from inflicting damage on others, whether physical, mental or economical, would be psychopaths or sociopaths... Until someone can come up with a proper argument to justify shooting others, I won't try to understand why one would drop that low. Well, I've got other games to play anyway. I can live without EVE for a while.
Hey look! A proper argument hiding in there. Channel your inner psychopath/sociopath.
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Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
18
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Posted - 2011.10.28 05:24:00 -
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Tasko Pal wrote:Anshio Tamark wrote:
...I'm not even going to try and find out what kind of messed up mind-set you need to derive amusement from shooting others... The only ones I can think of who would derive pleasure from inflicting damage on others, whether physical, mental or economical, would be psychopaths or sociopaths... Until someone can come up with a proper argument to justify shooting others, I won't try to understand why one would drop that low. Well, I've got other games to play anyway. I can live without EVE for a while.
Hey look! A proper argument hiding in there. Channel your inner psychopath/sociopath.
Hey, I never said I don't understand that inflicting damage on others is a common strategy to winning in combat (it's actually the only common way to win). What I said is I don't understand how people can derive pleasure from it. |
Zircon Dasher
Zirconia Trade Group
6
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Posted - 2011.10.28 06:05:00 -
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People's Republic ofChina wrote:
Time is not free. Minerals you mine are not free of cost, you pay with your time.
You are getting a C in econ101 aren't you.
Time actually is free.*
Minerals you mine can be free.
* I guess if you beleive in reincarnation time might not be free. This is not truely a problem, however, because the scales are such that the cost would be extremely low. |
Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries
8
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Posted - 2011.10.28 06:32:00 -
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The 'minerals I mine are free' expression was always a strange one.
Yes, I get that I can make more ISK/Hour running missions than mining veldspar, or ratting, or whatever, but the bottom line is simply this-
I don't care about those things. If I did, i'd certianly be doing those things than mining, don't you think? |
People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
4
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:30:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:People's Republic ofChina wrote:
Time is not free. Minerals you mine are not free of cost, you pay with your time.
You are getting a C in econ101 aren't you. Time actually is free.* Minerals you mine can be free. * I guess if you beleive in reincarnation time might not be free. This is not truely a problem, however, because the scales are such that the cost would be extremely low.
Your time is free? Then you wouldn't mind mining about 2 billion ISK worth of pyroxeres units for me and trading them to me? After all, the time you spent mining that is free!
Time is not free.
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People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
4
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Posted - 2011.10.28 09:35:00 -
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GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
Just FYI, I run 3 accounts with one Orca and two hulks and I can pull roughly 60 million an hour on Pyroxeres. I would think with 6 accounts you could do much more but the problem would most likely be finding the rocks. This is a maxed out 107m sp Orca pilot as gang leader with the implant..
No you cannot, a maxed out hulk gang boosted pulls approximately 162,000m3 per hour, which is approximately 19 million per hour, two hulks pulling in a mere 38 million an hour, far cry from 60 million an hour. I don't pull these numbers out of my ass this is according to Halada's mining guide, adding up all the bonuses plus gang links and then using http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore which has an updated view of mineral prices multiple times daily. The guide is relatively recent and miners haven't gotten any new bonuses in time anyway.
And don't forget that processing, travel and selling all chew into this value, so it's even lower than expected.
Don't make **** up. |
People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
4
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Posted - 2011.10.28 10:07:00 -
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Anshio Tamark wrote:People's Republic ofChina wrote:Suicide ganking miners for profit? Any direct profit is a bonus to the amusement I get out of it. ...I'm not even going to try and find out what kind of messed up mind-set you need to derive amusement from shooting others... The only ones I can think of who would derive pleasure from inflicting damage on others, whether physical, mental or economical, would be psychopaths or sociopaths... Until someone can come up with a proper argument to justify shooting others, I won't try to understand why one would drop that low. Well, I've got other games to play anyway. I can live without EVE for a while.
Tears sustain me, that's why. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
29
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Posted - 2011.10.28 12:03:00 -
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Joshua Aivoras wrote:The 'minerals I mine are free' expression was always a strange one.
Yes, I get that I can make more ISK/Hour running missions than mining veldspar, or ratting, or whatever, but the bottom line is simply this-
I don't care about those things. If I did, i'd certianly be doing those things than mining, don't you think?
"MIMAF" is inherently wrong, as the minerals you mine have an inherent value on the market. E.G. Tritanium is roughly 3-3.5 ISK per unit.
You can mine say 1 million units of Tritanium, and use it to make 100 widgets(each using 10k trit). If you have the mentality that the trit you mined was free ... let's you really undercut the competition (who is selling at 37,5k ISK/unit) and sell them at 25k ISK/unit after taxes -- total sales is 2,5 million isk. You just "lost" between 500k and 1m ISK, because that stack of 1 million tritanium was worth between 3m and 3,5m ISK. The guy who sold them for 3,75 million made somewhere between 250 and 750 thousand ISK profit. That 3-3.5 million ISK value that the 1 million units of Tritanium inherently holds is the "Opportunity Cost" that you have to take into account when manufacturing (or doing anything really).
Unless the item you're selling is a loss-leader, you will never profit from selling said item for less than their material component build cost. |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
3
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:42:00 -
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The minerals I mine free up liquid isk that I would reather use for trading or buying a new hulk when mine gets popped.
Other then that I do enjoy mining. I dont mine 23/7 or anything like that I go back and forth between mining and missioning and low sec roams. This keeps me from geting burnt out on any one thing.
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Ana Vyr
100
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:19:00 -
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I mine because I need the ore to build the stuff I want to build. As a roleplayer, I feel as if it's part of the industrial lifestyle. It's also a relaxing way to play at times. I prefer to be self sufficient with regard to aquiring materials to fuel my manufacturing and invention jobs...so I set up all my passive incomes around this idea, using PI and research agents to generate materials and datacores. I mine my own ice to keep my POS running as well. I don't like to get in a rut where I'm only doing one activity all the time in game, so I mission some, explore some, mine some, manufacture some etc etc. |
Zircon Dasher
Zirconia Trade Group
6
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:22:00 -
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People's Republic ofChina wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:People's Republic ofChina wrote:
Time is not free. Minerals you mine are not free of cost, you pay with your time.
You are getting a C in econ101 aren't you. Time actually is free.* Minerals you mine can be free. * I guess if you beleive in reincarnation time might not be free. This is not truely a problem, however, because the scales are such that the cost would be extremely low. Your time is free? Then you wouldn't mind mining about 2 billion ISK worth of pyroxeres units for me and trading them to me? After all, the time you spent mining that is free! Time is not free.
You very queerly insistant on conflating time and activity. Why is this?
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People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
4
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:52:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:People's Republic ofChina wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:People's Republic ofChina wrote:
Time is not free. Minerals you mine are not free of cost, you pay with your time.
You are getting a C in econ101 aren't you. Time actually is free.* Minerals you mine can be free. * I guess if you beleive in reincarnation time might not be free. This is not truely a problem, however, because the scales are such that the cost would be extremely low. Your time is free? Then you wouldn't mind mining about 2 billion ISK worth of pyroxeres units for me and trading them to me? After all, the time you spent mining that is free! Time is not free. You very queerly insistant on conflating time and activity. Why is this?
Because someone is wrong on the internet. This is serious business. |
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