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Cat Troll Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity 278	Posted - 2013.05.08 20:45:00 - [1] - Quote Aren't the Jove supposed to be light years ahead of us? Any of their ships are supposed to ROFLstomp our ships, and yet the Gnosis isn't really that powerful. Its powerful and versatile yes, but light years ahead of the empires? No. Is this like an old model? Because if this ship is the average Jovian ship, then the empires could take them down with just sheer numbers. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
baltec1 Bat Country 6244	Posted - 2013.05.08 20:45:00 - [2] - Quote Its not Jove.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 3628	Posted - 2013.05.08 20:46:00 - [3] - Quote Gnosis is SoCT, not Jove. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Cat Troll Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity 278	Posted - 2013.05.08 20:47:00 - [4] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Its not Jove. I saw someone say its Jovian. So he lied then? Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Illest Insurrectionist The Scope Gallente Federation 92	Posted - 2013.05.08 20:51:00 - [5] - Quote Cat Troll wrote: baltec1 wrote: Its not Jove. I saw someone say its Jovian. So he lied then? They may have simply been mistaken.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 4889	Posted - 2013.05.08 20:51:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Troll wrote: baltec1 wrote: Its not Jove. I saw someone say its Jovian. So he lied then? They're propably just wrong. SoCT as an organization has a Jovian connection, so some people try to streach that minor link to mean the ships they manufacture are Jovian ships.
Hernan Johuihen Zero Atmosphere Unclaimed. 7	Posted - 2013.05.08 20:52:00 - [7] - Quote actually, gnosis is their rookie ship
Cat Troll Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity 278	Posted - 2013.05.08 20:53:00 - [8] - Quote Destination SkillQueue wrote: Cat Troll wrote: baltec1 wrote: Its not Jove. I saw someone say its Jovian. So he lied then? They're propably just wrong. SoCT as an organization has a Jovian connection, so some people try to streach that minor link to mean the ships they manufacture are Jovian ships. ah, I get it now. Thanks fro clearing that up. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Zakarumit CZ Zakarum Industries Exiliar Syndicate 50	Posted - 2013.05.08 20:53:00 - [9] - Quote People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified.
Cat Troll Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity 278	Posted - 2013.05.08 20:53:00 - [10] - Quote Hernan Johuihen wrote: actually, gnosis is their rookie ship No, their rookie ship is a station. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Cat Troll Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity 278	Posted - 2013.05.08 20:55:00 - [11] - Quote Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. But... But... But... It has YEAR in it! That means its a unit of time right? Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Dorian Mirror Glovis Corporation 20	Posted - 2013.05.08 20:56:00 - [12] - Quote Illest Insurrectionist wrote: Cat Troll wrote: baltec1 wrote: Its not Jove. I saw someone say its Jovian. So he lied then? They may have simply been mistaken. Probably because it says "Jove" in the Ship-Preview window. CCP should perhaps change that.
Manes Avatarr Adventurers 47	Posted - 2013.05.08 20:57:00 - [13] - Quote Totally agree its not jovian at all, just uses some general ideas from Jovies or most likely "jovian starship philosophy" but not their advenced technology. humouristic approach: - It's jovian medium drone remade by SoCT to be manned craft ADVENTURERS Corp. is recruiting again! \| https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2906996
J'Poll Aegis Consolidated 2134	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:03:00 - [14] - Quote Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. This made me laugh...a lot. When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises. Request to CCP: Please patch stupidity out of the game for Winter 2013. Professional Forum Thread locker.
Tetsuo Tsukaya Pixel Navigators 23	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:04:00 - [15] - Quote Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. People who are bad at idioms shouldn't make statements like you just did, because other people's grasp on language might turn out to be miles ahead
Vincent R'lyeh Screaming Hayabusa 177	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:14:00 - [16] - Quote The Gnosis is a Battlecruiser that a total newbie can fly without even having the BattleCruiser skill. It's so HI-TECH it only has 'stop' 'go' & 'SHOOT ZE CANNONS' butans.............. Seems pretty advanced to me I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence.....
Singoth The Scope Gallente Federation 197	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:16:00 - [17] - Quote You are a special butterfly. Less yappin', more zappin'!
Skorpynekomimi 506	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:20:00 - [18] - Quote It has stats? I took one look at the price tag and sold it. Equivalent of -ú5 didn't go amiss, and knocked my alt's next sub payment back beyond payday. ****
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 138	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:22:00 - [19] - Quote Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. Can't resist the Pokemon quote here. "You're light years away from facing Brock!" gets ass kicked "Light years isn't time! It measure distance!" Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 615	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:29:00 - [20] - Quote Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. Agreed.
Arcaus Rotrau Romali Apex Nebula Ventures 36	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:30:00 - [21] - Quote Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. People who are bad at idioms shouldn't make statements like you just did, because other people's grasp on language might turn out to be miles ahead of their own Huh, are you saying Zak is wrong? A light year is a unit of distance, not time.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 138	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:34:00 - [22] - Quote LHA Tarawa wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. Agreed. Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that. "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!" @ Lucas Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer! Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 616	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:35:00 - [23] - Quote Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote: Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. People who are bad at idioms shouldn't make statements like you just did, because other people's grasp on language might turn out to be miles ahead of their own Huh, are you saying Zak is wrong? A light year is a unit of distance, not time. He is saying "think figuratively" rather than literally. Think of a time line as an abstraction of the passage of time. Then, figurative distance on the abstract time line, could represent literal time.
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 616	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:37:00 - [24] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: LHA Tarawa wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. Agreed. Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that. "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!" @ Lucas Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer! Yeah... Lucas needs to go too. If not for the misuse of parsec in Ep4, then for the Ewoks in Ep6, and the entirety of Ep1-3.
Tetsuo Tsukaya Pixel Navigators 25	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:38:00 - [25] - Quote Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote: Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. People who are bad at idioms shouldn't make statements like you just did, because other people's grasp on language might turn out to be miles ahead of their own Huh, are you saying Zak is wrong? A light year is a unit of distance, not time. Yeah, and the expression "such and such a thing is light years ahead of its competitors" is referring to distance and not time. The people who are confused are you guys who don't understand the expression in the first place. So yeah, Zak is wrong. EDIT: So if someone says "so and so is miles ahead in the tech race", they aren't confusing miles for units of time, they're speaking figuratively. "Light years ahead" is a more exaggerated use of the expression. That's why I said "grasp of language is miles ahead" in my last post because I was hoping you would pick up on that (and not because I think I'm an expert in language because I'm not)
Arcaus Rotrau Romali Apex Nebula Ventures 36	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:41:00 - [26] - Quote LHA Tarawa wrote: Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote: Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. People who are bad at idioms shouldn't make statements like you just did, because other people's grasp on language might turn out to be miles ahead of their own Huh, are you saying Zak is wrong? A light year is a unit of distance, not time. He is saying "think figuratively" rather than literally. Think of a time line as an abstraction of the passage of time. Then, figurative distance on the abstract time line, could represent literal time. I see what you're saying but I don't agree with it. A light year is a defined scientific measurement of distance, there is nothing figurative about it and it doesn't have anything to do with a time line. A = A
Arronicus Caldari Provisions Caldari State 620	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:49:00 - [27] - Quote Light year, is a measure of distance. 'Ahead' is a relative term, for direction. 1 light year = 9.4605284 +ù 1015 meters Therefore, no. /thread.
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 616	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:50:00 - [28] - Quote Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote: LHA Tarawa wrote: Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote: Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. People who are bad at idioms shouldn't make statements like you just did, because other people's grasp on language might turn out to be miles ahead of their own Huh, are you saying Zak is wrong? A light year is a unit of distance, not time. He is saying "think figuratively" rather than literally. Think of a time line as an abstraction of the passage of time. Then, figurative distance on the abstract time line, could represent literal time. I see what you're saying but I don't agree with it. A light year is a defined scientific measurement of distance, there is nothing figurative about it and it doesn't have anything to do with a time line. A = A And, a "time line" is a means of depicting the order of events in history, that also uses a scale that allows us to see the relative time that passed between those events. If we set the end of the last ice age (10K BCE) as 0 on our time line, and set current day (call it 2000 CE) to be 12 inches away, then each inch would approximate 1000 years. Tings like domestication of cattle, establishment of the first code of laws, first alphabetic language, etc, could be plotted as various inches and fraction of inches along the line. Here, the well defined unit of distance know as the "inch" is used figuratively to represent the passage of literal time. You could then say, Faster Than Light Travel is miles beyond us, technologically (which on the scale of inch = 1000 years would be a very long time). This would be hyperbole (intentional exaggeration to make a point) to demonstrate that we are not even close to getting there. Since it is pure hyperbole, we do not need to specifically designate a unit of time to the unit of distance on our time line, since a mile is clearly an absurd unit to be applied to any time line. Light Years is just a further over-exaggeration to make the point that we are not even close, in figurative distance on an abstract time line, or literal passage of time on a clock, calendar, or writing of history books.
Daimon Kaiera Kraken. 257	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:50:00 - [29] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: LHA Tarawa wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. Agreed. Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that. "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!" @ Lucas Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer! Do we even know what a Kessel Run is? For all we know it could be a time-challenge to do a certain something in the least distance possible. .... . .-.. .--. / .. / .... .- ...- . / ..-. .- .-.. .-.. . -. / .- -. -.. / .. / -.-. .- -. -. --- - / --. . - / ..- .--. / ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... / ... .. --. -. .- - ..- .-. . / .. -.. . .- / .. ... / -. --- - / ... - --- .-.. . -. / ... - --- .--.
Tetsuo Tsukaya Pixel Navigators 25	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:55:00 - [30] - Quote ITT Arcaus attempts a stealth nerf on using imagery in the English language
Arcaus Rotrau Romali Apex Nebula Ventures 36	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:56:00 - [31] - Quote No offense to the OP but I don't think that's how he was using light year.
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 616	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:57:00 - [32] - Quote Daimon Kaiera wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: LHA Tarawa wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. Agreed. Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that. "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!" @ Lucas Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer! Do we even know what a Kessel Run is? For all we know it could be a time-challenge to do a certain something in the least distance possible. Except that is the answer to the question "Is your ship fast?" That answer would seem to indicate a distance divided by time to indicate speed, with Kessel Run being the distance and 12 parsecs being the time. If, the intention is that the Kessel Run is a time, and parsec is a distance, then the "less than" is an indication of slow rather than fast.
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 616	Posted - 2013.05.08 21:59:00 - [33] - Quote Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote: No offense to the OP but I don't think that's how he was using light year. Probably correct.
Arcaus Rotrau Romali Apex Nebula Ventures 36	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:06:00 - [34] - Quote LHA Tarawa wrote: Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote: No offense to the OP but I don't think that's how he was using light year. Probably correct. Creative visualization you guys came up with, but at the scale you suggested I think the Jove would probably have evolved past the need for spaceships or perhaps even a physical form.
Nyancat Audeles Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 203	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:11:00 - [35] - Quote Posting in stealth Polaris nerf thread
Daimon Kaiera Kraken. 257	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:14:00 - [36] - Quote So you're saying we should buff the Gnosis to a strategic cruiser with it's own subsystems and 8/8/8 in all slots no matter what? .... . .-.. .--. / .. / .... .- ...- . / ..-. .- .-.. .-.. . -. / .- -. -.. / .. / -.-. .- -. -. --- - / --. . - / ..- .--. / ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... / ... .. --. -. .- - ..- .-. . / .. -.. . .- / .. ... / -. --- - / ... - --- .-.. . -. / ... - --- .--.
Bl4ck Ph03n1x Gangsters And Gentlemen Silent Ascension 22	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:38:00 - [37] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: LHA Tarawa wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. Agreed. Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that. "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!" @ Lucas Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer! In the star wars universe, ships cannot go through stars and planets. They must calculate trajectory that avoid them. What makes Han Solo an awesome pilot is not an insane speed. It's his hability to calculate an insanely short path. That's how he beats bigger, faster ships. To take an analogy, it's like when you make a trip in 20 carrier jumps, and solo can do it in 12 jumps. Don't feed the trolls.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 1387	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:47:00 - [38] - Quote LHA Tarawa wrote: Daimon Kaiera wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: LHA Tarawa wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. Agreed. Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that. "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!" @ Lucas Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer! Do we even know what a Kessel Run is? For all we know it could be a time-challenge to do a certain something in the least distance possible. Except that is the answer to the question "Is your ship fast?" That answer would seem to indicate a distance divided by time to indicate speed, with Kessel Run being the distance and 12 parsecs being the time. If, the intention is that the Kessel Run is a time, and parsec is a distance, then the "less than" is an indication of slow rather than fast. [geek on] In the expanded universe fiction, it's explained that the Kessel run involves going close to a cluster of black holes. If your ship isn't fast enough, if you shave the distance too much, you'll be sucked into one and destroyed. [/geek off] Yes, it's BS, used to cover up a mistake by a sci-fi writer in a fairly popular film. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Robus Muvila GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 282	Posted - 2013.05.08 22:57:00 - [39] - Quote The way I see it, considering the Jovian Empire's isolationist mindset. All they've shared are literally their left over **** stuff. The Gnosis is literally the equivalent of a **** 1950's european car and we should be greatful we're even getting that! TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages
Velarra 215	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:02:00 - [40] - Quote Quote: [Excerpt from In-game Faction/standings tab information] The Society of Conscious Thought is three centuries old and was founded by a Jovian named Ior Labron, who was in search of spiritual enlightenment. The Society has since then taken many guises and been anything from a religious sect full of hermits to a political institute playing the power game. Today, the Society is mainly known for their scholastic achievements, their schools are widely regarded as the best ones in the world of EVE and rich and influential parents everywhere fight to get their kids admitted. You may want to see here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Society_of_Conscious_Thought
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 144	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:40:00 - [41] - Quote Bl4ck Ph03n1x wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: LHA Tarawa wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. Agreed. Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that. "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!" @ Lucas Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer! In the star wars universe, ships cannot go through stars and planets. They must calculate trajectory that avoid them. What makes Han Solo an awesome pilot is not an insane speed. It's his hability to calculate an insanely short path. That's how he beats bigger, faster ships. To take an analogy, it's like when you make a trip in 20 carrier jumps, and solo can do it in 12 jumps. Yes, I know this. But I am also entirely aware that the entirety of that statement was retconned after about a thousand people sent Lucas letters telling him he was a imbecile for writing that. So basically, a total cover up for his s***ty writing ability. "Is it a fast ship?" ... "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs!" Seems pretty clear to me. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Spurty V0LTA Verge of Collapse 854	Posted - 2013.05.08 23:59:00 - [42] - Quote Gnosis. Clearly the anagram of a dyslexic poor speller for 'Goons ships' . conspiracy theorist hat off --- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. ****
Forum Clone 77777 State War Academy Caldari State 94	Posted - 2013.05.09 00:03:00 - [43] - Quote Why do people think lightyear = time? A lightyear is a measurement of distance, the distance light travels in a year, obviously.
Lady Areola Fappington New Order Logistics CODE. 185	Posted - 2013.05.09 00:05:00 - [44] - Quote Spurty wrote: Gnosis. Clearly the anagram of a dyslexic poor speller for 'Goons ships' . conspiracy theorist hat off 6/6/6 slot layout proves this idea. Goonspiracy mode, activate! Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
Tetsuo Tsukaya Pixel Navigators 30	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:40:00 - [45] - Quote Forum Clone 77777 wrote: Why do people think lightyear = time? A lightyear is a measurement of distance, the distance light travels in a year, obviously. You are lightyears away from even contemplating reading even a small portion of the thread, aren't you? Also you guys are being too hard on Lucas. It's not like he's going back and changing the sequence of events that establish Han's scoundrel nature into an alternate version where a professional bounty hunter somehow misses a point blank shot from under a table allowing Han to justifiably fire back in self defence. THAT would be messed up
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 2740	Posted - 2013.05.09 03:57:00 - [46] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Its not Jove. Thread should have ended right there.
Setaceous Nexus Prima 70	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:04:00 - [47] - Quote ITT: incredibly pedantic people with an inability to stay on topic.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 3172	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:08:00 - [48] - Quote Cat Troll wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. But... But... But... It has YEAR in it! That means its a unit of time right? In 60 light seconds I can travel 1 space minute. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance
Taoist Dragon Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 430	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:38:00 - [49] - Quote who really give a F'k about the phrase. Miles ahead is a distance indicative years ahead is a time indicative. So there is nothing wrong with using light years ahead in the OP. if you are reading it as a measure of time I suggest you plug in basic reading into your training plan asap. That is the Way, the Tao. Balance is everything.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 3173	Posted - 2013.05.09 04:52:00 - [50] - Quote Taoist Dragon wrote: who really give a F'k about the phrase. Miles ahead is a distance indicative years ahead is a time indicative. So there is nothing wrong with using light years ahead in the OP. if you are reading it as a measure of time I suggest you plug in basic reading into your training plan asap. Han Solo did the Kessel Run in 11.5 Parsecs. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance
Job Valador Super Moose Defence Force 39	Posted - 2013.05.09 07:29:00 - [51] - Quote Robus Muvila wrote: The way I see it, considering the Jovian Empire's isolationist mindset. All they've shared are literally their left over **** stuff. The Gnosis is literally the equivalent of a **** 1950's european car and we should be greatful we're even getting that! Best response EVER [IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img836/7059/c00286794da9496e2b391.jpg[/IMG] Rule 34 ^
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 1118	Posted - 2013.05.09 07:30:00 - [52] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Gnosis is SoCT, not Jove.
Jove Angel Jove Logistics 12	Posted - 2013.05.09 07:34:00 - [53] - Quote Jeeze end this thread already End of the day its a SoCT ship and one of the founding members was a jove. Ior Labron the Jovian student of Gorda Hoje founded the Society of Conscious Thought[1] in AD 23044 with the the primary aim of discovering the meaning of life. If somebody gets a real jove ship you may aswell end EvE now as they will pretty much go around killing everything and not get scratched. The SoCT are a peacful thoughtful race so im dammed to understand why they gave us a 666 slot ship. TBh they prob found the design in his hanger with no Jove modifications on it and decided to re produce it under NPC guide lines. Oh if anyone says the Jove are dead there not ffs.......... CCP gimmie my god damm edilon battleship back already!!
Naomi Hale Children of New Eden 13	Posted - 2013.05.09 07:43:00 - [54] - Quote Dorian Mirror wrote: Illest Insurrectionist wrote: Cat Troll wrote: baltec1 wrote: Its not Jove. I saw someone say its Jovian. So he lied then? They may have simply been mistaken. Probably because it says "Jove" in the Ship-Preview window. CCP should perhaps change that. Didn't see that until you pointed it out. Nice catch +1
Joey Bags School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 5	Posted - 2013.05.09 08:27:00 - [55] - Quote Perhaps we are taking the meaning of light year out of context. What if OP was referring to the year being lighter than another heavier year. Of course this makes no sense at all and probably doesn't help the discussion one bit, but it's very late and I'm a bit punchy.
Kacer Xenro Team Pizza No Holes Barred 13	Posted - 2013.05.09 08:46:00 - [56] - Quote OP doesnt know that light years isnt a way of measuring time, but rather distance. Please
Wyte Ragnarok 49	Posted - 2013.05.09 08:58:00 - [57] - Quote Setaceous wrote: ITT: incredibly pedantic people with an inability to stay on topic. They are to Eve nerds, what Eve nerds are to normal people. Complete idiots.
Draqone an'Alreigh EVE University Ivy League 19	Posted - 2013.05.09 09:01:00 - [58] - Quote Maybe it has a lot of Jovian technology but we just don't know how to use it to it's full potential? We are like a medieval knight who is given a bazooka and he then goes around bashing people with it like it's a mace. One day all those ships will become concious, turn on us, form an unbeatable fleet and blow up the universe!
Anyura Ministry of War Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2013.05.09 09:08:00 - [59] - Quote Setaceous wrote: ITT: incredibly pedantic people with an inability to stay on topic. It's very out of character. It's not like EVE players to be so incredibly anal and nitpicky.
Xearal Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 575	Posted - 2013.05.09 09:16:00 - [60] - Quote Vincent R'lyeh wrote: The Gnosis is a Battlecruiser that a total newbie can fly without even having the BattleCruiser skill. It's so HI-TECH it only has 'stop' 'go' & 'SHOOT ZE CANNONS' butans.............. Seems pretty advanced to me You mean like Caldari Ships?
Donedy Snuff Box Urine Alliance 78	Posted - 2013.05.09 09:34:00 - [61] - Quote Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. Well as time and space are supposed to be a single continuum, i think you should be crucified. Also to the original poster, FOR GOD SAKE THE ANSWER TO YOUR STATEMENT HAS BEEN GIVEN HUNDRED MILLIONS OF TIMES.
Mokhiir Semah Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.05.09 09:41:00 - [62] - Quote In honesty I believe the soct ships are Jove, just very old obsolete designs that the jove no longer consider important thus shared the blueprints with soct, after all the soct ships do have similarities reminiscent of the jove ships we do know about. I mean if you compare the gnosis to something like the eidolon, the gnosis in a way looks like a very old much chunkier version of the sleek design their modern ships have.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 4910	Posted - 2013.05.09 11:08:00 - [63] - Quote 10/10 thread derailment.
Sabriz Adoudel AWOXalypse 325	Posted - 2013.05.09 11:13:00 - [64] - Quote Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. Wasn't crucifixion ended around 2000 light years ago? AWOXalypse is coming! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2898431 Buy shares: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=226618 An enemy is a friend you stab in the front.
Snake Vargaz Desert Rangers Galactic Skyfleet Empire 0	Posted - 2013.05.09 11:17:00 - [65] - Quote Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. signed ^^
Rodj Blake Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1347	Posted - 2013.05.09 11:18:00 - [66] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Gnosis is SoCT, not Jove. That's like saying the Zealot is Viziam, not Amarr. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Raven Solaris The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 111	Posted - 2013.05.09 11:30:00 - [67] - Quote Rodj Blake wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Gnosis is SoCT, not Jove. That's like saying the Zealot is Viziam, not Amarr. No, saying SoCT ships are Jovian is like saying the Sansha ships are Caldari just because Sansha Kuvakei was/is Caldari.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 14126	Posted - 2013.05.09 11:36:00 - [68] - Quote Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. GÇªand those who use GÇ£quantum leapGÇ¥ to signify a massive change. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á
TheGunslinger42 All Web Investigations 1285	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:01:00 - [69] - Quote Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. Except with this particular idiom it's always a measure of distance that is used: They're miles ahead of us! Etc. Dumb
Logan LaMort Screaming Hayabusa 1323	Posted - 2013.05.09 12:35:00 - [70] - Quote This thread has given me a headache.
Super spikinator Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum 162	Posted - 2013.05.09 13:12:00 - [71] - Quote Rodj Blake wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Gnosis is SoCT, not Jove. That's like saying the Zealot is Viziam, not Amarr. Not really. It is the same as the scorpion being listed as caldari.
Mathias Orsen Sacred Templars Unclaimed. 0	Posted - 2013.05.09 21:52:00 - [72] - Quote Cat Troll wrote: Aren't the Jove supposed to be light years ahead of us? Any of their ships are supposed to ROFLstomp our ships, and yet the Gnosis isn't really that powerful. Its powerful and versatile yes, but light years ahead of the empires? No. Is this like an old model? Because if this ship is the average Jovian ship, then the empires could take them down with just sheer numbers. If you look at the EVE map, Jove space is light years ahead of us. You can find it further to the relative north.
Mathias Aurgnet Klatchian Coffee Fanatics 0	Posted - 2013.05.09 23:56:00 - [73] - Quote Logan LaMort wrote: This thread has given me a headache. This times n+1.
Calathorn Virpio Golden Construction Inc. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2013.05.10 00:09:00 - [74] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Gnosis is SoCT, not Jove. when will the stupid ever end. click the ship portrait in game for the veiwer, just like the capsule, it says jove BRING BACK THE JUKEBOX I attended the School of Hard Nocks, the only place you will ever learn anything of value, sadly most Americans never meet the requirments to attend
Calathorn Virpio Golden Construction Inc. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2013.05.10 00:10:00 - [75] - Quote Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. you got a like for that BRING BACK THE JUKEBOX I attended the School of Hard Nocks, the only place you will ever learn anything of value, sadly most Americans never meet the requirments to attend
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 4916	Posted - 2013.05.10 00:10:00 - [76] - Quote Tippia wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. GÇªand those who use GÇ£quantum leapGÇ¥ to signify a massive change. And those who are unnecessarily anal about figures of speech.
Calathorn Virpio Golden Construction Inc. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2013.05.10 00:16:00 - [77] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: LHA Tarawa wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. Agreed. Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that. "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!" @ Lucas Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer! and how many laymen actually know that? most people hear what sounds like a unit of time and ASSUME that's what it it (people who assume **** should ALSO be crucified) BRING BACK THE JUKEBOX I attended the School of Hard Nocks, the only place you will ever learn anything of value, sadly most Americans never meet the requirments to attend
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 964	Posted - 2013.05.10 00:24:00 - [78] - Quote Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. not for a photon... Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 964	Posted - 2013.05.10 00:29:00 - [79] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. Wasn't crucifixion ended around 2000 light years ago? i dunno ask the people of Kepler-11 Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
Setaceous Nexus Prima 71	Posted - 2013.05.10 01:30:00 - [80] - Quote Anyura wrote: Setaceous wrote: ITT: incredibly pedantic people with an inability to stay on topic. It's very out of character. It's not like EVE players to be so incredibly anal and nitpicky. Reminds me of a Terry Pratchett quote I'm quite fond of: If the Creator had said, "Let there be light" in Ankh-Morpork, he'd have gotten no further because of all the people saying "What colour?"
Tenris Anis Schattenengel Clan 58	Posted - 2013.05.10 02:45:00 - [81] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: LHA Tarawa wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. Agreed. Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that. "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!" @ Lucas Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer! And the "kessel run" is navigating between a cluster of black holes as close as you dare, in that context 12 parsecs is actually quite an achievement. But I still would like to see Lukas getting crucified. Raven Solaris wrote: No, saying SoCT ships are Jovian is like saying the Sansha ships are Caldari just because Sansha Kuvakei was/is Caldari. Which brings me to something totally unrelated: I would like to explore his wormhole space, which should have systems in jove space. Remove insurance.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 4917	Posted - 2013.05.10 03:06:00 - [82] - Quote Tenris Anis wrote: I would like to explore his wormhole space I think something about this goes against forum rules, but I'm not sure quite what.
Malak Dawnfire The Scope Gallente Federation 120	Posted - 2013.05.10 03:09:00 - [83] - Quote Quote: And the "kessel run" is navigating between a cluster of black holes as close as you dare, in that context 12 parsecs is actually quite an achievement. Those must be some wussy smugglers then considering that 12 parsecs is equal to about 47 light years away!
Ohishi Apocalypse Reign 59	Posted - 2013.05.10 03:24:00 - [84] - Quote Malak Dawnfire wrote: Quote: And the "kessel run" is navigating between a cluster of black holes as close as you dare, in that context 12 parsecs is actually quite an achievement. Those must be some wussy smugglers then considering that 12 parsecs is equal to about 47 light years away! Considering that the gravitational pull of black holes is what holds the universe together, would you want to be any closer? Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought.
Xindi Kraid The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est 441	Posted - 2013.05.10 05:07:00 - [85] - Quote Remember, them stomping the amarr fleet was just as much due to them pulling a fast one over on the stupid Amarr as their raw firepower. Since then, the four Empires have had time to improve while the Jove have been wasting away. We routinely use reverse engineered sleeper gear. If the Jove are still more advanced, we have still likely been closing the gap.
Just Lilly 69	Posted - 2013.05.10 05:52:00 - [86] - Quote SoCT or not, it still says "Jove - Battlecruiser" in the ship viewing window, along with the length of the hull Powered by Nvidia GTX 690
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 127	Posted - 2013.05.10 07:14:00 - [87] - Quote Vincent R'lyeh wrote: The Gnosis is a Battlecruiser that a total newbie can fly without even having the BattleCruiser skill. It's so HI-TECH it only has 'stop' 'go' & 'SHOOT ZE CANNONS' butans.............. Seems pretty advanced to me Seems more like Minmatar to me... :/ There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper.
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech 622	Posted - 2013.05.10 09:03:00 - [88] - Quote You can technically say "light years ahead" just as you say "miles ahead". It still isn't a unit of time though. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes
Arronicus Caldari Provisions Caldari State 627	Posted - 2013.05.10 17:05:00 - [89] - Quote Daimon Kaiera wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: LHA Tarawa wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. Agreed. Only if we can also add misuse of the word "parsec" on top of that. "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run is less than 12 parsecs!" @ Lucas Parsec is a unit of distance, you rock-stupid half-assed excuse for a writer! Do we even know what a Kessel Run is? For all we know it could be a time-challenge to do a certain something in the least distance possible. Sourcing: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kessel_Run A kessel run was a one way, 18 parsec shortcut trip used by smugglers. It has a standard distance. The 12 parsecs quote, is a joke, because parsecs is time, and saying that you could run a kessel run in 12 parsecs is the same as saying you ran a marathon in only 17 miles. So no.
Arronicus Caldari Provisions Caldari State 627	Posted - 2013.05.10 17:08:00 - [90] - Quote Mashie Saldana wrote: You can technically say "light years ahead" just as you say "miles ahead". It still isn't a unit of time though. No, you can't technically say it, but you can figuratively say it. Technically implies a duality of facts, but in this case, you are simply using a metaphor.
Arcaus Rotrau Romali Apex Nebula Ventures 36	Posted - 2013.05.10 18:48:00 - [91] - Quote Ohishi wrote: Malak Dawnfire wrote: Quote: And the "kessel run" is navigating between a cluster of black holes as close as you dare, in that context 12 parsecs is actually quite an achievement. Those must be some wussy smugglers then considering that 12 parsecs is equal to about 47 light years away! Considering that the gravitational pull of black holes is what holds the universe together, would you want to be any closer? Oh boy ! Another incorrect scientific tangent to pursue !! Nah, I'll just say that's wrong and leave it at that.
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 614	Posted - 2013.05.10 20:22:00 - [92] - Quote The Apotheoisis was given to us as 'Jovian design' and it is the same design as the Gnosis. It's a replica or in modern terms, a cheap Chinese knock off? Another thing worth mentioning is, we 4 races of New Eden are not what "we" are. "We" are capsuleers and "we" use ships designed to be piloted by capsule, pod pilots. Even the four races that Pod pilots are culled from don't use Pod pilots ships exclusively. The Amarr fleet that faced the Jove was a Navy fleet, not a Pod fleet. For all we know, Jove have a strict doctrine against using Pod pilot technology.
Nariya Kentaya Always Negative. 587	Posted - 2013.05.10 20:27:00 - [93] - Quote Cat Troll wrote: Aren't the Jove supposed to be light years ahead of us? Any of their ships are supposed to ROFLstomp our ships, and yet the Gnosis isn't really that powerful. Its powerful and versatile yes, but light years ahead of the empires? No. Is this like an old model? Because if this ship is the average Jovian ship, then the empires could take them down with just sheer numbers. One, its not Jove, and two, its a SCANNING VESSEL, meaning its non-combat.
Lady Areola Fappington New Order Logistics CODE. 196	Posted - 2013.05.10 21:03:00 - [94] - Quote Ocih wrote: The Apotheoisis was given to us as 'Jovian design' and it is the same design as the Gnosis. It's a replica or in modern terms, a cheap Chinese knock off? Another thing worth mentioning is, we 4 races of New Eden are not what "we" are. "We" are capsuleers and "we" use ships designed to be piloted by capsule, pod pilots. Even the four races that Pod pilots are culled from don't use Pod pilots ships exclusively. The Amarr fleet that faced the Jove was a Navy fleet, not a Pod fleet. For all we know, Jove have a strict doctrine against using Pod pilot technology. According to lore, Jovians gave pod technology to the non-jovians (Caldari). The main reason so few people can become capsuleers, is the pods are specifically designed for Jovians and their genetic upgrades. Basically, any Jove could get the implants needed and hop in a pod. Very few "other" humans can. Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
Something Random The Barrow Boys 338	Posted - 2013.05.10 21:07:00 - [95] - Quote I love nerds. They get want they always wanted and still they bicker..... and even start an argument over measurements of relatavistic time. Please.... carry on. Need something to read while i oh so easily fit my ship. BTW - thanks CCP, can i have another ? "caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!"
Skydell Bad Girl Posse 527	Posted - 2013.05.10 21:22:00 - [96] - Quote Debora Tsung wrote: Vincent R'lyeh wrote: The Gnosis is a Battlecruiser that a total newbie can fly without even having the BattleCruiser skill. It's so HI-TECH it only has 'stop' 'go' & 'SHOOT ZE CANNONS' butans.............. Seems pretty advanced to me Seems more like Minmatar to me... :/ It's actually a Caldari ship. It has a Gravimetric sensor system.
Grog Barrel Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2013.05.10 21:52:00 - [97] - Quote "Aren't the Jove supposed to be light years ahead of us?" No.
Felicity Love STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate 606	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:23:00 - [98] - Quote The joke is on us. The "Gnosis" is just a cheap knock-off that a Jovian high school student built in his spare time from a bunch of scrap parts floating about in space. When you see the real Gnosis, you'll know what I mean and your pods will need to be hosed out. Repeatedly. Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies"
Mars Theran Red Rogue Squadron Heart 0f Darkness 1638	Posted - 2013.05.11 18:15:00 - [99] - Quote Personally, I think it's awesome. The fact that it can't use a DCII is even cool, and I figure it is a good balancing factor. I mean come on, it has 6 highs, mids, and lows, and omni resists, and it can fit and bonus any gun. What is not awesome about that? I'm going to fly at least one in combat just for kicks. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub
Maxpie MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises 299	Posted - 2013.05.11 20:18:00 - [100] - Quote Nevermind No good deed goes unpunished
Ehronn Nutz N Boltz 18	Posted - 2013.05.20 00:22:00 - [101] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. Wasn't crucifixion ended around 2000 light years ago? Crucifixion ended? lulz go to ogrishforum.com or theync and watch the Zetas drug cartel in Mexico crucifying narcs and shoving their genitals in the mouths of those nailed on the cross. crucifixion is still with us, Zetas do it with style hehe
Hessian Arcturus S.W.O.R.D. Navy 105	Posted - 2013.05.20 00:25:00 - [102] - Quote Singoth wrote: You are a special butterfly. Now that is a comment I wont forget for a long time!! Seriously... Thank you!!! It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Gealbhan 196	Posted - 2013.05.20 02:55:00 - [103] - Quote It's a quaint little ship, not something I'd fly often. It does have it's niche place and use though.
Angang Ostus Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns. 75	Posted - 2013.05.20 06:19:00 - [104] - Quote Maybe it's like a tricycle for little Jovian tykes to learn to fly.
Liafcipe9000 Smeghead Empire 2735	Posted - 2013.05.20 06:42:00 - [105] - Quote the Gnosis, as a SoCT ship, is a heavily nerfed version of jove tech. that way they can release it to the public without accidentally the universe as we know it.
Major 'Revolver' Ocelot GRU Special Forces 89	Posted - 2013.05.20 08:17:00 - [106] - Quote I'm fairly sure it used to have "Jovian Battlecruiser" tagged to it despite it saying it was built by SoCT so maybe that's where the confusion came from. I love to reload during a battle!-áThere's nothing like the feeling of slamming a long silver missile into a well greased chamber...
oohthey ioh Republic University Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.05.20 10:19:00 - [107] - Quote Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote: Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. People who are bad at idioms shouldn't make statements like you just did, because other people's grasp on language might turn out to be miles ahead of their own Huh, are you saying Zak is wrong? A light year is a unit of distance, not time. people are know to measure progress with unit of distances, i think it come form the term "far"
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos 987	Posted - 2013.05.20 10:49:00 - [108] - Quote derp Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg CCP Hilmar CEO > "why am i sweating, why is this game doing this to me"
Velicitia Nex Exercitus 1561	Posted - 2013.05.20 12:32:00 - [109] - Quote Tippia wrote: Zakarumit CZ wrote: People, which use "light year" as a unit of "time", should be crucified. GÇªand those who use GÇ£quantum leapGÇ¥ to signify a massive change. well, it could be ... I'd consider a "leap" into a woman's body to be a "massive change". One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica 890	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:03:00 - [110] - Quote This is how I feel the thread derailed yes! Trannyslaping! Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco
Doddy Dark-Rising 838	Posted - 2013.05.20 17:30:00 - [111] - Quote You guys have seriously dumb expectations of Jovian technology. The Jove are the tech 2 race, the capsuleer race (do you guys even remember where t2 came from??). Other than in a few specific areas pod pilots are at an equivelent tech level to the Jove already and with the advent of t3 are probably beyond them in certain areas. Take the much lauded battle of Vak'Atioth. It took the Jove fleet 6 hours to destroy 200 pre-capsuleer amarr empire subcaps despite knowing in advance when and where the amarr were coming and refitting their supercap to face them (tracking titan ftw). This is an amarrian fleet from a time before ships like the omen and executioner were even invented, never mind t2 ships. The Jove fleet meanwhile had interceptors/assault ships, sniper hacs and a tracking titan (when the amarr had no caps at all). How many amarr empire npcs do you think a capsuleer fleet of sniperhacs/t2 frig wolfpack backed by tracking titan would destroy in 6 hours? Seriously you try facing scorch with t1 lasers (the amazing jovian lasers are probably just t2 crystals). Jove tech is better than capsuleer tech, but not by much and the superiority probably even then is down to t2 capsuleer tech being based on t1 pre-capsuleer foundations. Given the angels ships are based on jove tech simply imagining a t2 (8/8/8) laser machariel is probably closest to what a proper Eidolon is like. Pretty damn awesome but not wtfbbq invincible. Stuff like polaris is no more an example of jove tech than concord is of DED. They are like that because of game mechanics, nothing else. As for the gnosis it is based on a jovian battlecruiser but with anything hawt ripped out when operating for SoCT as the Jove don't want any more of their tech getting out. T2ify the gnosis and you would pretty much have what a jovian cruiser would be like.

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