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Whisperen
Handsome Millionaire Playboys RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.10 02:51:00 -
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Bad change leave the dsps they are useful for more important things then scanning cosmic sigs. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.05.10 03:07:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:yeah I dont know why they want to remove them, they are an awesome addition to the probing system.
even better is the lack of notifcation about it. You'd have to go the sisi forum and see the notification. Implying you have to be a sisi tester to see it. I know with my rl schedule I barely got the time to play actual eve let alone play in the test server. I need my isk per hour on the live server, I don't get many hours to make that isk lol.
Now most other odyssey changes have been blogged for a while. Hell...its the reason why page 1 here has litte room for non-dev'ed stickies. CCP could have said this months ago. Whats 1 more dev sticky on page 1, right?
We were given ample time with the blogs to get that CS trained now if lacking it. The racial BC switch was even a longer "hey guys...its coming" process. I have put off another BS 5 train for caps I want because I knew months out its not needed from their blogs.
After reading the sisi thread I do see why they are doing this stealth change. Not many are happy with it. Yay...formations. Jsut have to deal with a crap ui for what they find now. And -1 probe for those who worked out nice 8 probe schemes already. |
Sai Talos
Shockwave Innovations Shockwave Sovereign Industries
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Posted - 2013.05.10 03:14:00 -
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DONT TAKE MAH PROBES PLOX.
WHY?!?!?!?
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Shin'alor
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2013.05.10 03:14:00 -
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My name is Shin Arturas Alor, and I approve this message. |
Joseph Barnacle O'Sullivan
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2013.05.10 03:15:00 -
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Save Deep Space Probes!
P.S. I like potatoes. |
Alec Freeman
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2013.05.10 03:16:00 -
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+1 DSP make WH life more bareable. It will be hell having to scan down every sig in a system to find one specific type of sig. |
The Breath
Dark Parrot
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Posted - 2013.05.10 09:53:00 -
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I hope ccp can provide other tools or other ways to scan deep space. "now --for a breath I tarry,-ánor yet disperse apart -á--take my hand quick and tell me,-áwhat have you in your hear." |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.05.10 10:02:00 -
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+1
stupid move
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2013.05.10 10:03:00 -
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what I personally dislike mostly is they are dumbing down another part of the game for noobs. WHY?
And why the f*ck do I need 7 probes, the only case I sometimes needed 5!! probes for probing 10/10 plexes with a not maxed prober, in any other case I always used only 4 of them. On sisi I cant even launch single probes anymore, just stupid constellations of 7!! probes. This new probing is trash, I hope its not going live on tranq with Odyssey and is getting massively reworked. |
Captain John Crichton
Depraved Corruption Darkspawn.
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Posted - 2013.05.10 10:35:00 -
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+1 from me as well, don't take away DSP! They are great for WH scaning and probing mission runs in lowsec. Don't "fix" probing only too nerf it! |
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.05.10 13:16:00 -
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bump and another testemonial on the awesomeness of DSP's from my personal favorite pvp pro
"You won't need them for plex probing, but they are extremely useful in combat probing. You can drop one at 256 AU and tell in 6 seconds how many ships are in space, and get a general idea of ship class too. The new system has no way of reproducing this without scattering combat probes all over system, and even then they have a lot more deviation in scan size dependent on distance from the center of the probe." |
Gweny Gnosyn
World Conquerors
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Posted - 2013.05.10 13:18:00 -
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I hope a Dev responds to this. This atrocity would be a lot easier to swallow with at least a decent explanation. It would be insulting to be ignored (my apologies if you responded somewhere else).
+1 - I trained DSP's to take advantage of all the above clever ideas and creative uses (You know, the things that make the game great) and now my reward for all that training is, "There, there, see . . . you don't need them anymore, we made it easier."
If new players are too lazy to learn to scan there are a million and one other fun things for them to do in the game, and later when they get curious they'll pick it up. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.05.10 13:22:00 -
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A dev response is somewhat justified/needed.
This is a threadnaught brewing once the rest of the player base catches wind.. We don't like stealth nerfs. |
Anabaric
The Bastards Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.05.10 13:43:00 -
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Stealth nerf detected.
GIVE BACK!!
Seriously, these are vital for combat probing. extraneus bastard
Blog: http://imsdemons.pvp101.net-á |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
341
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Posted - 2013.05.10 13:48:00 -
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And yet another good point raised by someone:
DSP's can be used to track people down at system deep safes. Doing the same w/ combat probes is much more time consuming and difficult. |
FuzzyButt
Rainbow Dash Goes Red Rainbow Dash Friends
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:00:00 -
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Ohnoes my farmin Pwobes O__o |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations Shockwave Sovereign Industries
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:01:00 -
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+1 for this idea |
Lukas Rox
Aideron Technologies
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:02:00 -
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+1 while I don't do that anymore, I used to use DSP to probe for marauder and battleships in mission hubs. It was damn useful to have DSPs back then. |
Gweny Gnosyn
World Conquerors
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:20:00 -
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By the way does anyone know if anything is coming as a replacement? Or if Astrometrics 5 will at least become a prereq to some other new fancy scanning tool?
I'd feel quite the fool if they were intending to replace DSP's with some T2 probe that served the same/similar purpose. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
343
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:40:00 -
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Gweny Gnosyn wrote:By the way does anyone know if anything is coming as a replacement? Or if Astrometrics 5 will at least become a prereq to some other new fancy scanning tool?
I'd feel quite the fool if they were intending to replace DSP's with some T2 probe that served the same/similar purpose.
There is no replacement. They are being removed and converted to core scanner probes. there will be no equivalent low-accuracy but high range probe.
The reasons for the removal are unclear. The general sentiment is that it's unecessary, and an arbitrary change because CCP is under the impression that 'they are not used for anything' ..
This is why we're asking for dev comment. Understanding at least the *reason* for the removal of DSP's would help. |
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Gweny Gnosyn
World Conquerors
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:51:00 -
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Well that would just be a damn shame, but ok, I can resume protesting:
RABBLE, RABBLE, RABBLE! |
Zircon Dasher
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Posted - 2013.05.10 14:54:00 -
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I support the removal precisely because of the reasons listed in this thread. Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
Gweny Gnosyn
World Conquerors
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:02:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:I support the removal precisely because of the reasons listed in this thread.
Ha ha, so to be clear you support their removal because they are a useful tool for both exploration and PVP? Could you be more specific, maybe provide an example of how it might improve the game to make these tasks more difficult? |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
343
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:10:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:I support the removal precisely because of the reasons listed in this thread.
I smell a highsec scrubloard who wants his little corner of 'safe space' where he can run and hide and be a carebear all day |
Zircon Dasher
196
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:23:00 -
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Chandaris wrote: I smell a highsec scrubloard who wants his little corner of 'safe space' where he can run and hide and be a carebear all day
Under no circumstances was a DSP ever deployed to keep carebears "safe" OR to play farmville amiright?
Intel (for anyone) should be valuable and require effort. Currently that is not the case with DSP and would have been less so after the other changes.
Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
Vaihto Ehto
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:26:00 -
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Chandaris wrote:- The Swift and Bitter Deep Space Probe Exploration Guide has helped plex runners speed up the rate at which they can identify and scan down the plexes they want to run for a long time now. this is a common tool used by many people to waste less time scanning down sites and increase their overall isk/hr. Link: http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/
This is in my opinion the strongest argument for removing the DSPs. Why would you not use an alt to post on the forums? |
Loko Morice
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:29:00 -
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Use these quite often for both scouting in PvP as well as exploration. |
Gweny Gnosyn
World Conquerors
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:32:00 -
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Now, now, no need for name calling. Carebears are an important part of the ecosystem. Predators need prey :) |
Maggeridon Thoraz
Reconfiguration Nation Existential Anxiety
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:40:00 -
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i want dsp remain in game |
Gweny Gnosyn
World Conquerors
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Posted - 2013.05.10 15:43:00 -
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Zircon Dasher wrote:Chandaris wrote: I smell a highsec scrubloard who wants his little corner of 'safe space' where he can run and hide and be a carebear all day Under no circumstances was a DSP ever deployed to keep carebears "safe" OR to play farmville amiright? Intel (for anyone) should be valuable and require effort. Currently that is not the case with DSP and would have been less so after the other changes. It is not that DSP are unnecessary-- it is that they are already very powerful and would become even more powerful with the addition of new mods and skill changes.
That's a reasonable point, but I contest. You do have to work for the information do you not? Also they're useful for helping stay safe. As one poster pointed out they use them to monitor for changes in the system so they have advance warning and get out.
I agree they are a potent information gathering tool, just like strat cruisers are a potent PVP tool, I don't see it degrading the game in any way.
As for the DSP Guide there is a far easier fix than dropping them. Just add inherent variation to complex signatures, problem solved and DSP's can still be used for WH exploration and other creative things. |
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