And you haven't had it sink in just how stupid the idea of having certain ships excempt from local is?

Again, how many of those "likes" are from carebears? And how many of those "likes" are from people who just want to roam in even greater security, and salivate at the thought of all these easy kills they'll get?

I think it sounds fun, and balanced, and simple. And unlike a lot of game mechanics it actually sounds logic, which is just an added bonus.

I can imagine some submarine slang to evolve from a mechanic like this:

- Going active - turning off cloak to see who is in local.
- Going passive, silent running - turning on the cloak, losing some speed and awareness in the process.
- One ping - quickly uncloack and decloack to get a quick reading.

Is there any way to add the number 42 to this?

Greater security and greater risk, all rolled into one package! You'd never know if the ship you were about to jump on had a couple friends waiting for you to try exactly that.

@OP - why do you think there are so many threads that you kept having to reply to?

hmm so you put a recon in a -1.0 home system and cloak up at 5 am when no ones on, later that day when faction and t2 battleships are out you uncloak and point and get a 1 bil kill w.o them ever knowing your there...yea thats the answer...wtf is wrong with ppl PVE must be balanced in this game or whats the points of having factions bs's out? yea its mostly a pvp game but seriously remove cloaks form local? this only makes the afk cloak problem 10x worse, grow the **** up and realize giveing cloaky griefers the most power in the game isnt the answer, people that take nullsec space should be able to defend their system, not have all PVE activity shut down by one newb recon pilot who may or may not be afk, especially with the switch to truesec where you can no longer just upgrade 4-5 systems in a row with sancs

edit* cause cloaks to consume fuel slowly if you really want to fix cloaking, would end afk cloaking and sitting in a botters sytem for long enough would cause them to run out..."they'll just script to refuel at a ss can" wel lthen make cans scanable(idk if they are) an kill the botters can...would give a defense to botters and afk cloaks in one swoop

So... you actually think that there's a problem with someone planning for hours in advance to get a kill?

Fuel for cloaks means you break wormhole intel. It can take days or weeks of being cloaked up observing a system without being detected. Fuel would completely break that.

So... you actually think that there's a problem with someone planning for hours in advance to get a kill?

Fuel for cloaks means you break wormhole intel. It can take days or weeks of being cloaked up observing a system without being detected. Fuel would completely break that.

Local is broken.

Cloaking is not.

See what I mean? Nevermind what happens to nullsec with his changes, but the instant there's a single change to his precious, precious wormholes, and it's just a bad idea.

The difference, however, is that I'm trying to preserve the dangerous aspects wormholes and even null sec are supposed to have. You're trying to create Hello Kitty Space Adventure.

later that day when faction and t2 battleships are out

a faction or t2 bs pretty much anytime they wanted

The difference, however, is that I'm trying to preserve the dangerous aspects wormholes and even null sec are supposed to have. You're trying to create Hello Kitty Space Adventure.

Why don't you rat in PvP fit ships instead? Or don't you think you should have to reduce the risk and feel it's your god given right to farm at maximum ISK per hour?

Do you have any numbers on how much that'd affect the ISK/hour rate, and how much time they'd spend regaining the lost isk when they've lost a ship to a gang?

So, in a nutshell, you want null space to be as safe as it can in order to maximize the ISK/hr potential.