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Snappers	Posted - 2005.10.12 09:10:00 - [1] This is just a general post about the two largest pvp entities within EvE... Now we know what BoB has in mind, total 0,0 domination starting with Fountain, going through Imperium - Probably taking down G and IRON, then PA, then FE, then V, then who? SirMolle has said once before BoB want to own all of 0,0 then doesnt this conclude that BoB will eventually attack 5ive? This post is in no way meant as a flame, or to insight flames, its just a general eve-players view on how things may turn out eventually. Anyone else have any other view of the situation. One request, can any bob member who feels the need to flame me for making a conclusion on your leaderships comments, please can you refrain from it. I would like a mutually respectable discussion.
Burzon	Posted - 2005.10.12 09:16:00 - [2] Even if it is BoB¦s chosen goal to own all of 0.0 space, with their current size (~800 members) there is no way to hold more regions then they currently do. So form this point of view your question wether or not they will have to attack -5- is pure speculation. I see BoB as being pretty much happy with what they own at the moment. With Delve and Fountain they have two of the best regions in game. Burzon CEO PAX Interstellar Sales Director, ISS
Avon	Posted - 2005.10.12 09:19:00 - [3] Originally by: Snappers SirMolle has said once before BoB want to own all of 0,0 then doesnt this conclude that BoB will eventually attack 5ive? No, not all 0.0..... Why stop there? ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.10.12 09:26:00 - [4] Originally by: Avon Why stop there? Innit, I believe we said "whole of eve"...
landi	Posted - 2005.10.12 09:26:00 - [5] In the interview with Sir Molle, didn't he say or at least infer (can't remember atm) that they want empire too ? Madness or genius, you decide And will concord safespot or log when the BoB machine rolls into town ? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2005.10.12 09:30:00 - [6] Edited by: Fi T''Zeh on 12/10/2005 09:34:58 Actually on friday night, BoB and Five will be changing places for 6 weeks in a new BBC2 reality TV show called "Celebrity Region Swap" to be hosted by Dale Winton. Viewers will get to see how BoB handle RAs POS War strategy and how The Five will cope with space riddled with NPC stations and a bunch of alliances that just haven't stopped breathing yet. ....
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.10.12 09:33:00 - [7] Well, BoB can't stand against any force that actually wants to take them on...perhaps it will take 5 to do that, everyone else just talks alot. But like was mentioned already, conquering and holding are two different battles. One you can win, the other you can't lose. ~Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss Biomass fears me.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.10.12 09:34:00 - [8] This will shortly be followed by tieing 5 combat volunteers to a POS farm in the new series: "I'm a pvp'er GET ME OUT OF HERE!"
LoxyRider	Posted - 2005.10.12 09:34:00 - [9] Every alliance wants all of 0.0 , even those so called peaceful ones would go for it if they could. Yet in the end its basically impossible in eve so theres nothing to worry about.
Garia666	Posted - 2005.10.12 09:40:00 - [10] Germany tried that once.. Look what happend. . Seems history is repeating its self. ---------------------------------------------- CCP [ Cash Collecting Program ] Slogan : The more Skilzz the more Moneh .. ----------------------------------------------
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.10.12 09:45:00 - [11] Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Well, BoB can't stand against any force that actually wants to take them on. There's a reason people don't want to take us on, sobaseki, paw - it's because they'd lose.
Snappers	Posted - 2005.10.12 09:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Well, BoB can't stand against any force that actually wants to take them on. There's a reason people don't want to take us on, sobaseki, paw - it's because they'd lose. This is meant in the most respectfull way possible, but my conclusion on what BoB has done is somewhat lessened when iv actually thought about it properly. BoB v FIX - The end result was a nap between both of you. BoB v PA - PA still exsists even tho it was hurt bad. Then BoB went against Fountain Alliance which was 99.99% a 'production' alliance which focused mainly on production and mining in my eyes. Then Imperium - which was an alliance in its infancy when BoB declared war on them, which was then riddled with internal problems such as the leader having real life troubles etc. I dont mean any disrespect to you or any of your achievments, you have taken down or hurt two alliances quite badly, but if you look at it from the ground up then BoB has chosen to attack very easy targets after the FIX campaign. Please correct me if im wrong. Im not Anti-BoB im quite far from it but iv just reviewed past and present events to the best of my ability (in the morning).
DoctorGonzo	Posted - 2005.10.12 10:00:00 - [13] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Edited by: Fi T''Zeh on 12/10/2005 09:34:58 Actually on friday night, BoB and Five will be changing places for 6 weeks in a new BBC2 reality TV show called "Celebrity Region Swap" to be hosted by Dale Winton. Viewers will get to see how BoB handle RAs POS War strategy and how The Five will cope with space riddled with NPC stations and a bunch of alliances that just haven't stopped breathing yet. Shush Fi T'z, that was supposed to be this weeks big announcement and you've let the cat out of the bag now! Get Your BoB Protection Kit Here
Bank Empty	Posted - 2005.10.12 10:06:00 - [14] The reason that BoB and 5 will never fight is because the executor corp in 5 is a ***** BoB member!!! Break down: --- BoB --- A losely organised group of corps who pretty much do what they like, provide backup to another if needed, etc. Arcane Technologies Evolution Black Nova Corp + Black Eclipse Corp m0o (now disbanded) Reikoku (probably spent wrong) probably some others who aren't active anymore --- BoB In-Game Alliance --- This in-game alliance was formed because the game mechanics changed (mainly POS bonuses for system ownership). BNC + BEC Evolution Reikoku --- 5 In-Game Alliance --- Arcane Technologies Black Omega Security (not in BoB) Black Reign (not in BoB) M. Corp (not in BoB) Shin-ra (not in BoB) Supremacy (not in BoB) Taggart Transdimensional (not in BoB) So basically, the only way BoB and 5 are ever going to fight is if 1) ATUK move from the 5 IGA to the BoB IGA, 2) ATUK s everyone off and gets kicked out of BoB, 3) ATUK **s everyone off and gets kicked out of the 5 IGA, 4) People get bored. I think that sorted it out
DjDangle	Posted - 2005.10.12 10:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Edited by: Fi T''Zeh on 12/10/2005 09:34:58 Actually on friday night, BoB and Five will be changing places for 6 weeks in a new BBC2 reality TV show called "Celebrity Region Swap" to be hosted by Dale Winton. Viewers will get to see how BoB handle RAs POS War strategy and how The Five will cope with space riddled with NPC stations and a bunch of alliances that just haven't stopped breathing yet. LMFAO!!!!!!! ------------ "On My Signal, Unleash Hell" -I speak for my corp. Not our Alliance-
Shimpu	Posted - 2005.10.12 10:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Garia666 Germany tried that once.. Look what happend. . Seems history is repeating its self. Well, I don't like BoB either... But you should not compare them to the Germans from WWII and all the stuff that's related.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2005.10.12 10:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Snappers Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Well, BoB can't stand against any force that actually wants to take them on. There's a reason people don't want to take us on, sobaseki, paw - it's because they'd lose. This is meant in the most respectfull way possible, but my conclusion on what BoB has done is somewhat lessened when iv actually thought about it properly. BoB v FIX - The end result was a nap between both of you. BoB v PA - PA still exsists even tho it was hurt bad. ... yadayadayadaetc... When CCP implements "account beacons" a total victory can be achieved. Account beacon is a thingy that allows you to take over someones account (and delete his chars/take his stuff/etc) upon victory/capture. There should also be a intelligence penalty device for all the thick ones who don't understand why is "account beacon" needed.
Snappers	Posted - 2005.10.12 10:42:00 - [18] Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: Snappers Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Well, BoB can't stand against any force that actually wants to take them on. There's a reason people don't want to take us on, sobaseki, paw - it's because they'd lose. This is meant in the most respectfull way possible, but my conclusion on what BoB has done is somewhat lessened when iv actually thought about it properly. BoB v FIX - The end result was a nap between both of you. BoB v PA - PA still exsists even tho it was hurt bad. ... yadayadayadaetc... When CCP implements "account beacons" a total victory can be achieved. Account beacon is a thingy that allows you to take over someones account (and delete his chars/take his stuff/etc) upon victory/capture. There should also be a intelligence penalty device for all the thick ones who don't understand why is "account beacon" needed. Im sorry, but that is quite a silly thing to ask for isnt it. Can you please in future post with direct referance to what i have said, that should clear up any misbegoten posts or idea's that are slung around. Thank you
Luc Boye	Posted - 2005.10.12 10:44:00 - [19] Originally by: Snappers Im sorry, but that is quite a silly thing to ask for isnt it. Oh, I am sorry, I should have seen this coming. Here, I forgot to write it in my previous post: "</sarcasm>" There ^^
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2005.10.12 10:47:00 - [20] Actually we all think that ATUK smell of urine. It's just that stan is Blacklight's Alt so we can't fight them. Also, as you rightly point out, BoB only ever fight nubbins like G, VC and HUN who are all worthless at PvP. ....
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.10.12 10:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Snappers Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Well, BoB can't stand against any force that actually wants to take them on. There's a reason people don't want to take us on, sobaseki, paw - it's because they'd lose. This is meant in the most respectfull way possible, but my conclusion on what BoB has done is somewhat lessened when iv actually thought about it properly. BoB v FIX - The end result was a nap between both of you. BoB v PA - PA still exsists even tho it was hurt bad. Then BoB went against Fountain Alliance which was 99.99% a 'production' alliance which focused mainly on production and mining in my eyes. Then Imperium - which was an alliance in its infancy when BoB declared war on them, which was then riddled with internal problems such as the leader having real life troubles etc. I dont mean any disrespect to you or any of your achievments, you have taken down or hurt two alliances quite badly, but if you look at it from the ground up then BoB has chosen to attack very easy targets after the FIX campaign. Please correct me if im wrong. Im not Anti-BoB im quite far from it but iv just reviewed past and present events to the best of my ability (in the morning). In the most respectfull way possible, that's why we had such an easy time doing it all isn't it ? I mean, we havent even lost any sweat over the whole FA or IMP thing. It's not like we had to go to second gear or shout at our members yes. No strain on production and ship replacement yet, no sweat at all. And tbfcath, you look at it quite simplistically. PA rebounded under the same name, with mostly different people. At the time we left the north, there was no PA to speak of left alive. I bet even them will agree with this. NSA is still dead. FU is still dead. IMP was made up of some corps that have the longest history of 0.0 conquering in the whole of Eve. I know them, because I used to be in the same Curse Alliance with some of them. But yes, they turned out weaker then expected. Oh and Fix we never tried taking over as far as I know. In my opinion, the relative weakness of all alliances we've fought is not about them being weak from the start. PA back at the start wasn't weak. NSA had been whoring isk for months already. FA had some of the richest corps in Eve. IMP had some of the most experienced corps in Eve. What did them in, and will keep doing in anyone we choose to fight is the pressure. We dont come to gank you once every few days, we don't send up frig fleets and call it contesting your space. When we come, we come with supplies and ships to stay in your home for as long as we want to. Tbh, that doesn't leave anyone any other choice then coming up with an army teh same size and dedication/persistency, outclassing us using less people, or giving up and going to empire to recoup and start up some type of guerilla warfare thing. In general, people lose all options but the last within the first few weeks of us fighting them, but let pride keep them from resigning themselves to the inevitability of it all. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.10.12 10:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Well, BoB can't stand against any force that actually wants to take them on. There's a reason people don't want to take us on, sobaseki, paw - it's because they'd lose. Perhaps, or perhaps you have nothing anyone would take you on over. BoB is by no means invincible, but unless anyone is willing to prove otherwise, it really is moot. Besides, didn't FOE already try the kill everyone strategy? ~Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss Biomass fears me.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.10.12 11:00:00 - [23] Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi ...perhaps you have nothing anyone would take you on over. Like two of the five best isk making regions in the game? And you're right, Sobaseki Pawi, it is a moot point, which makes me wonder why you make the "won't take on anyone that is worthwhile" comment, particularly when we target ALLIANCES that supposedly live in 0.0 and live by the way of the gun. Hell, fountain had enough isk to pay mercs to dec us for years, but they didn't. Is that our fault? Is that picking on a "weak" alliance? I think not.
Pallas Athene	Posted - 2005.10.12 11:01:00 - [24] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Avon Why stop there? Innit, I believe we said "whole of eve"... Empire has an owner already, and that¦s us ... so forget about it Diana N.A.G.A Website I make you a Prince - promise
Snappers	Posted - 2005.10.12 11:05:00 - [25] I agree with you there Dianabolic, FA did go about it wrong, they could have had MC + every other merc out there war dec you, but as the story goes, they decided the boredom tactic was the best way to deal with it. But i would like to see a reply from you with my prior post about looking at BoB from the ground up. Thank you.
Seleene	Posted - 2005.10.12 11:09:00 - [26] Originally by: Snappers I agree with you there Dianabolic, FA did go about it wrong, they could have had MC + every other merc out there war dec you, but as the story goes, they decided the boredom tactic was the best way to deal with it /emote cries over the missed oppertunity to gank Dianbolic in a giant hauler... - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
Snappers	Posted - 2005.10.12 11:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Snappers I agree with you there Dianabolic, FA did go about it wrong, they could have had MC + every other merc out there war dec you, but as the story goes, they decided the boredom tactic was the best way to deal with it /emote cries over the missed oppertunity to gank Dianbolic in a giant hauler... Arent you TWD in disguise anyway?
Aeon	Posted - 2005.10.12 11:16:00 - [28] Originally by: Garia666 Germany tried that once.. Look what happend. . Seems history is repeating its self. There just always seems to be a toon like you every thread
Corey Grim	Posted - 2005.10.12 11:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Snappers Then BoB went against Fountain Alliance which was 99.99% a 'production' alliance which focused mainly on production and mining in my eyes. actually thats not true at all. in my knowledge Before BoB attacked FA there was "couple" of good PvP corporations in FA... they left FA not becouse they get pwned by BoB but becouse lack of support for the industrial side what was very strong in FA. this of course doesnt lessen BoB¦s success. This is just what i have heard/read in several places.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.10.12 11:27:00 - [30] Originally by: Seleene /emote cries over the missed oppertunity to gank Dianbolic in a giant hauler... lalalalala hahahaha FEAR MY FRIDGE! Originally by: Snappers But i would like to see a reply from you with my prior post about looking at BoB from the ground up. The way I see it, Sobaseki, is there are two polarised views of "BoB". There are those who slate us at every opportunity, no matter what we do, and there are those that respect us. On the slating side we have people who have failed to match us at any point in anything we do (I'm not gonna list names, I can't be bothered with the flames, but they know who they are) and have screamed everything from exploit to lame to gank because we've beat them down. On the second side we have those that respect us, we return that respect to a man. We've fought them all (including most of 5) at some point in our individual and corporate careers. The latter group all know their limitations, they earn our respect because they push them time and time again. They won't use the "boredom" tactic, they won't logon trap you, if you agree to a 1v1 then 99.9% of the time it will be honoured. The latter groups play this as a GAME, the former, it would seem, play it as something else. Sure, people have different playstyles and all that jazz, but ours is the dominant one. Why? Because that's how CCP intended it. We put our uber mods, our implanted clones, our faction ships on the line every day of every week and when we die, we shrug and get on with it. How does that look from the ground up? I have no idea. I respected BoB from fighting them, it's why I joined - I respect a few other groups in this game, that respect is earnt from not being afraid to fail. We don't like losing but, without loss, what is victory?

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