A newb interested in pvp quit. Something of value was lost. 600k subscribers and 8 alts per vet player average? Eve needs new blood, but the old vets are so full of their own **** how obvious everything is they cant help but **** on new players.

EVE needs new players, new players in 2013 have different expectations than new players in 2003. This game is complicated and the evewiki website is out of date, many missing entries. The game doesnt have to be made easier in gameplay terms. but after 10 years on the market there should be a metric **** ton of information at the players finger tips.

A new player having trouble getting through a gate camp should be able to go to eve wiki and read 20 pages of very helpful info on options. not come to the forum and get **** on because the eve wiki is useless and often giving incorrect information which is worse than no information.

EVE needs new players, new players in 2013 have different expectations than new players in 2003. This game is complicated and the evewiki website is out of date, many missing entries. The game doesnt have to be made easier in gameplay terms. but after 10 years on the market there should be a metric **** ton of information at the players finger tips.

A new player having trouble getting through a gate camp should be able to go to eve wiki and read 20 pages of very helpful info on options. not come to the forum and get **** on because the eve wiki is useless and often giving incorrect information which is worse than no information.

' I think the solution is to quit your corp. If they can't help you get to the area they operate in, then they aren't really worth all that much. (The mere fact you need to go to forums to get ideas is bad enough

A newb interested in pvp quit. Something of value was lost. 600k subscribers and 8 alts per vet player average? Eve needs new blood, but the old vets are so full of their own **** how obvious everything is they cant help but **** on new players.

No, it wasnt a guy interested in Pvp at all, it waas some random tosser who threw a fit when things didnt go his way straight away and then destroyed his character rather than learn from the experience. An attitude like that has no place in EvE and never will, hence the less than polite replies.

And for your information new players dont get **** on because theyre new, they get **** on because they make assumptions about the game and its players that with even the smallest bit of research they would know werent true. The new player who makes the effort and does the research that lets them ditch their assumptions gets nothing but help, I've seen it time and again even here on the forums.

Dont lock their topics left and right. Remove vet harrassment. Basically act like u need new players. Understand the hostility of the vets towards newbs. Mods need to take action to control vet attacks and not contribute to the problem by locking posts willy nilly. But since mods are just player vets thats not likely to happen

couple of things to the last poster:

You are correct that there are very few "fair" fights in EvE. Only the "honor" bound or the stupid engage in such activities. There are however quite a few "gudfights" where the balance of forces is relatively close and it comes down to pilot skills, setup, engagement range, etc. This however does not make EvE a PvE game (there are PvE activities you can pursue but you are never safe if you are undocked). This will not change (nor should it).

As a rule of thumb: the more roundaround the way you take, the less the chance for gate camp.
Also going in right after downtime, right before downtime or very early in the morning will minimize chance you get screwed.
And ofc, cloak > camp (usually, good ones can still get you, but chance is much lower)

I'll bite, since Forum PVP is the only true PVP in this game.

NOTE... I've been missioning for the two years I've played and I have NEVER been attacked in HIGH SEC when I was flying in anything that would shoot back... thus it's a PVE/GVG game.

It's just wrong that people mis-use the term PVP, it's stands for player vs player and its core use in gaming has always been an option for playing against other players instead of playing against the environment (PVE). Battling the mind of a real person instead of the script of an AI. It really depends on your gaming goals, but I say PVP does not exist for the most part in EVE because there is no structure setup by the publisher to allow players to combat other players with any kind of formatted balance. Most Vets in this game protest such a system as it will change the current open world gang system that exists, so it will unlikely be an option for new players who do not understand the differences. The word Sandbox is thrown around in the forum a great deal and it's really getting old. You can still keep your Sandbox and have an Arena 1VS1 agent system setup for people trying to play fairly against other players.

It's been beat to death in the forums, so it's a boring topic.... yet frustrating that a game like this would be great if it had actual PVP gaming in it. Sorry friends, open gangs aren't PVP... it's "GVG"! or just random luck that you found a fair fight.

Fair fights are the only thing that is worth winning, otherwise you're just a gang bullying another player.

OP, You are not alone...

Eve doesn't have a PVP system that is like other games where you play fairly against other players.

It's just not in here and it appears that it would take an act of God to change it.

So it's really a PVE game with a little bit of gang wars thrown in for sport.

You might look around for friends to duel and that's about it, but if you want a fair fight against another players this isn't the game for it.

i think a valid point was made, most of the vets have amassed millions of isk so loosing 5 or 6 ships a day to a gate camp is not a big deal to them, however when noobs like myself loose a ship it is a big deal because we / i am not yet established with a steady stream of isk coming in to replace what i loose easily.
been attacked by vets is like all the schools bullies ganging up on the speccy kid.........................................

No valid point is made, and nobody loses 5-6 ships per day to a gate camp.

Out of the thousands of systems in EVE, there's only a tiny few that are camped to the degree you're talking about

why pick those systems bro

your not even given the chance to get into a system?

for the past 2 days i have been trying to get into a location to try pvp, how the hell am i supposed to enjoy pvp when i can't even get into a location to try it. Gates are camped, anything that moves through the gate is destroyed. Sorry but i just cannot see the point in buying another ship for some campers to pop.

As expected, OP has biomassed.

Well, off to WoW with him. Good riddance.

your not even given the chance to get into a system?

for the past 2 days i have been trying to get into a location to try pvp, how the hell am i supposed to enjoy pvp when i can't even get into a location to try it. Gates are camped, anything that moves through the gate is destroyed. Sorry but i just cannot see the point in buying another ship for some campers to pop.

corp operates out of there....providence. Yong gate is a bloody nightmare

CCP should REALLY make ALL stargates constellation stargates. Which would make "Gate camps" a lot more difficult but, not impossible.