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Cooper Tzash
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:36:00 -
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your not even given the chance to get into a system?
for the past 2 days i have been trying to get into a location to try pvp, how the hell am i supposed to enjoy pvp when i can't even get into a location to try it. Gates are camped, anything that moves through the gate is destroyed. Sorry but i just cannot see the point in buying another ship for some campers to pop.
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
374
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:39:00 -
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ever thin of oohhh trying a different system, maybe one that isnt camped? Theres this wonderful thing called a starmap which tells you all sorts of interesting things about systems, try it out sometime you might be susrprised. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
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Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
320
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Posted - 2013.05.15 12:45:00 -
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Ummm, how many systems are there in EVE 2262 or somthing like that. Could be you should try another system, or learn to pass camps like this anyway?
Im sure EVE University can teach you a thing or two. Nisroc Angels Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1305
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:08:00 -
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Out of the thousands of systems in EVE, there's only a tiny few that are camped to the degree you're talking about
why pick those systems bro |
Cooper Tzash
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:30:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Out of the thousands of systems in EVE, there's only a tiny few that are camped to the degree you're talking about
why pick those systems bro
corp operates out of there....providence. Yong gate is a bloody nightmare
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
634
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:53:00 -
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Red vs blue? Faction warfare? Wormhole PvP?
Nope, there's no way to have PvP unless you go to Rancer. That is the only system where it is allowed. |
Othran
Route One
486
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Posted - 2013.05.15 13:56:00 -
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Cooper Tzash wrote:
corp operates out of there....providence. Yong gate is a bloody nightmare
Then use G-5/KBP/Y-MP/R3- or come through Catch
Not being nasty or anything but if you can't get into Provi then you need to rethink what the hell you're doing
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
32
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:23:00 -
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1. Buy covert ops frigate. 2. Fit covert ops cloak. 3. Laugh at campers in local. 4. Collect tears. |
Cooper Tzash
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:30:00 -
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Othran wrote:Cooper Tzash wrote:
corp operates out of there....providence. Yong gate is a bloody nightmare
Then use G-5/KBP/Y-MP/R3- or come through Catch Not being nasty or anything but if you can't get into Provi then you need to rethink what the hell you're doing
have not taken any offence at what you have said m8.
i am fine upto the point where i reach the r3 gate, now for someone who has not done pvp and lived in high no amount of reading or thinking is going to make the route any safer or easier, that can only come from experience and practise. i chose that way as the corp operates out of hp-6z6. what or where is the catch?
this option i did not even consider it may well be my next move 1. Buy covert ops frigate. 2. Fit covert ops cloak. 3. Laugh at campers in local. 4. Collect tears.
cheers
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Haulie Berry
717
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:32:00 -
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Cooper Tzash wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Out of the thousands of systems in EVE, there's only a tiny few that are camped to the degree you're talking about
why pick those systems bro corp operates out of there....providence. Yong gate is a bloody nightmare
So if I'm reading you correctly, the parties at fault for this are:
-The game -The campers -The universe itself -CCP
Parties who are not at fault for this: -You
Take a different route. |
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Victor Dathar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:43:00 -
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I hear Amamake is good for pvp c/d? |
Cooper Tzash
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:27:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Cooper Tzash wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Out of the thousands of systems in EVE, there's only a tiny few that are camped to the degree you're talking about
why pick those systems bro corp operates out of there....providence. Yong gate is a bloody nightmare So if I'm reading you correctly, the parties at fault for this are: -The game -The campers -The universe itself -CCP Parties who are not at fault for this: -You Take a different route. Bring a scout. Travel in groups. Go to a different region. Go to low-sec. Go to wormhole space. Find a highsec to null wormhole and use that to dodge the camp. Use a covops. Use a cloaky interdiction nullifying T3. There are dozens of solutions to your problem, none of which involve posting a whine thread that can only possibly result in scorn and ridicule.
more frustration than whine.........did not recall blaming anyone in my inital post |
Haulie Berry
720
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:30:00 -
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Cooper Tzash wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Cooper Tzash wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Out of the thousands of systems in EVE, there's only a tiny few that are camped to the degree you're talking about
why pick those systems bro corp operates out of there....providence. Yong gate is a bloody nightmare So if I'm reading you correctly, the parties at fault for this are: -The game -The campers -The universe itself -CCP Parties who are not at fault for this: -You Take a different route. Bring a scout. Travel in groups. Go to a different region. Go to low-sec. Go to wormhole space. Find a highsec to null wormhole and use that to dodge the camp. Use a covops. Use a cloaky interdiction nullifying T3. There are dozens of solutions to your problem, none of which involve posting a whine thread that can only possibly result in scorn and ridicule. more frustration than whine.........did not recall blaming anyone in my inital post
Whining implies that you feel you've suffered some sort of injustice, or that the situation is something other than the way you feel it should be. It's the same as any other externalization of fault.
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Pax Thar
S.O. Sovereign Fleet
59
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:24:00 -
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The Damm/Bos gate is usually clear on the minmatar side. |
Cooper Tzash
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 17:25:00 -
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@ the halle berry wannabe
this kind of sums you up
Toxic people like to accuse, tantrum, manipulate and smear their way to habe their own way or even the last word. Their out-of-control emotions and self-centeredness make the blame game and the smear campaign two of their favorite tactics for keeping you engaged with them so they can feed off you. Upset a toxic person, and theyGÇÖll be shooting infuriating drama-baits your way and just waiting for you to bite the hook, the only way to win with a toxic person is not to play.
so i guess i won't be bothering to check this thread anymore.
cya toxic berry
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
482
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Posted - 2013.05.15 19:03:00 -
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Cooper Tzash wrote:your not even given the chance to get into a system?
for the past 2 days i have been trying to get into a location to try pvp, how the hell am i supposed to enjoy pvp when i can't even get into a location to try it. Gates are camped, anything that moves through the gate is destroyed. Sorry but i just cannot see the point in buying another ship for some campers to pop.
so you complain that you can not pvp because you have been killed in pvp. |
Haulie Berry
724
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Posted - 2013.05.15 19:37:00 -
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Cooper Tzash wrote:@ the halle berry wannabe
this kind of sums you up
Toxic people like to accuse, tantrum, manipulate and smear their way to habe their own way or even the last word. Their out-of-control emotions and self-centeredness make the blame game and the smear campaign two of their favorite tactics for keeping you engaged with them so they can feed off you. Upset a toxic person, and theyGÇÖll be shooting infuriating drama-baits your way and just waiting for you to bite the hook, the only way to win with a toxic person is not to play.
so i guess i won't be bothering to check this thread anymore.
cya toxic berry
What is this I don't even |
Zappity
Kurved Space
85
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Posted - 2013.05.15 21:05:00 -
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Exactly the same thing happened to me on the way out to lowsec. So I dusted off my covops alt and everything has been good since.
Insta-lock gate camps are a fact of lowsec/nullsec life. If you don't want to deal with it then consider RvB. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Mehashi 'Kho
Idiot with a gun
78
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Posted - 2013.05.16 01:08:00 -
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Cooper Tzash wrote:your not even given the chance to get into a system?
for the past 2 days i have been trying to get into a location to try pvp, how the hell am i supposed to enjoy pvp when i can't even get into a location to try it. Gates are camped, anything that moves through the gate is destroyed. Sorry but i just cannot see the point in buying another ship for some campers to pop.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
165
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Posted - 2013.05.16 08:16:00 -
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Cooper Tzash wrote:your not even given the chance to get into a system?
for the past 2 days i have been trying to get into a location to try pvp, how the hell am i supposed to enjoy pvp when i can't even get into a location to try it. Gates are camped, anything that moves through the gate is destroyed. Sorry but i just cannot see the point in buying another ship for some campers to pop.
So don't.
You say your corp operates out of Providence. They probably have an office there. You can dock in a station, set your medical clone to an office in providence, try to get past them in just your pod. If they blow up your pod you'll land where you were already trying to get to....
Frankly, it's really impossible to do anything like "pvp" with guys who camp high/low-sec gates for a living. They know their game well, they'll have you scouted well in advance of you jumping and if they can take you, you're going to die.
However, despite the fact that they're all red and flashy and have macho sounding epeen in local chat, most of the low-sec choke hold campers are incredibly risk averse. If they have any doubts about whether or not they can take you then they'll scatter like cockroaches in the light and hide in a safe spot (or dock up to be really really REALLY safe like the ones in Rancer do) and suck their thumbs while you go past. They may try to smack talk in local chat while you're in their system but I can never understand what they're talking about with their thumbs in their mouths.
In any case, they will never EVER engage on anything but a sure win...
Which points to the 2nd way you can get past them. Enter with a fleet. They'll run. guaranteed. |
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Garresh
Opposite of Low
187
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Posted - 2013.05.16 08:21:00 -
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This thread is going places. This Space Intentionally Left Blank |
Fret Thiesant
Reavers of New Blood
11
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Posted - 2013.05.16 10:35:00 -
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OP if your corp lives in provi than chances are they already have a logi system in lpace for bringing goods from empire to null.
Just ask your ceo or a corp officer.
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
981
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:18:00 -
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Black frog your ships and stuff to a station you can access near where the fights happen you want to be a part of. enjoy!
If a heavily contested system is camped by the enemy stopping you getting in, they are doing it better than you, collect up a few buddys and take them on!
Saying you cant get into a fight for any reason other than the system is on tidi and lagged to hell, is silly.
pvp is about doing it right as much as it is not doing it wrong! :P Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg CCP Hilmar CEO > "why am i sweating, why is this game doing this to me"
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1305
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:12:00 -
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Cooper Tzash wrote:your not even given the chance to get into a system?
for the past 2 days i have been trying to get into a location to try pvp, how the hell am i supposed to enjoy pvp when i can't even get into a location to try it. Gates are camped, anything that moves through the gate is destroyed. Sorry but i just cannot see the point in buying another ship for some campers to pop.
I understand completely, since peeveepee only happens in that one single system in all of the Eve Universe. I guess you'll have to biomass your toons, cancel your account, and go back to WoW. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Falcus Aurelius
Dead Space Alpha
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 02:50:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Cooper Tzash wrote:@ the halle berry wannabe
this kind of sums you up
Toxic people like to accuse, tantrum, manipulate and smear their way to habe their own way or even the last word. Their out-of-control emotions and self-centeredness make the blame game and the smear campaign two of their favorite tactics for keeping you engaged with them so they can feed off you. Upset a toxic person, and theyGÇÖll be shooting infuriating drama-baits your way and just waiting for you to bite the hook, the only way to win with a toxic person is not to play.
so i guess i won't be bothering to check this thread anymore.
cya toxic berry
What is this I don't even
Well...from here it looks like that was you getting owned for being a see you in tee.
Be nice to noobs ffs, they are this games lifeblood afterall...how hard is it to hold someones hand once in awhile? |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1302
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Posted - 2013.05.17 03:09:00 -
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Confirming that all gates are perpetually camped in all types space making it totally impossible to do PVP anywhere at all. |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
167
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:46:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Confirming that all gates are perpetually camped in all types space making it totally impossible to do PVP anywhere at all.
Seconded. I confirm that PVP in EVE is an illusion
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Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
121
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:11:00 -
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I'll try to be less mean that other posters, but TBH, none of them are wrong either.
BEFORE you undock. Check the map. It has filters for number of ship jumps in the last hour/24hours, you'll see if it's a heavily trafficked system. Filter for ship kills and pod kills in last hour. If you get a giant red balloon, chances are the system is hot, whether it's gate camped or not- stay out unless you are prepared for serious PvP against multiple foes. In Null Sec, nearly as many pod kills as ships usually indicates a camp using bubbles. You need to find a system that has traffic, but few kills. Not NO KILLS, but a few probably indicates local pirates- this is who you want to fight.
Go there and look in local at bios. Find a pirate (negative sec status) and convo for a 1v1. Most likely they'll happily accept- pirates just want a fight, which is hard to get in low sec. I lived in Molden Heath as a pirate, trust me on this- you WILL get an honorable fight if you ask. They are pirates, they aren't afraid of you..or losing a ship. I'll name-drop here....RANSM, BRRC (my former corp), among others can be counted on for honor duels. Put your pod in a safe after losing (which you likely will) and chat. Pirates are really into PvP and geek out on numbers and fittings, they will talk your ear off with advice.
Alternatively, go to null sec and camp a gate yourself in a cloaky Interdictor (very easy to train for, all newbs should train for them really). Set up over the gate and cloak. If something comes thru you can take on (other destroyers, frigates, miners, haulers) then decloak, bubble, lock, kill, laugh.............if it's too big, stay cloaked and watch it warp away.
Best of all- join up with others and storm into a system with friends. FW militia isn't my favorite place to find a fleet, but it's designed for that purpose. Just have to be patient, poke veterans to form a fleet. Lots of good pilots there, don't be afraid to ask questions between fights. Many pirate corps specifically look to take on newbs since it takes only a couple weeks to be flying frigates and destroyers well and they tend to fly those mostly. Sort of the anti E-Uni. Although E-Uni itself is a tried and true entity training PvP all the time in dedicated educational fleets.
GL, stick with it. Eve needs more PvP'ers.
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Haulie Berry
735
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Posted - 2013.05.17 17:19:00 -
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Falcus Aurelius wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Cooper Tzash wrote:@ the halle berry wannabe
this kind of sums you up
Toxic people like to accuse, tantrum, manipulate and smear their way to habe their own way or even the last word. Their out-of-control emotions and self-centeredness make the blame game and the smear campaign two of their favorite tactics for keeping you engaged with them so they can feed off you. Upset a toxic person, and theyGÇÖll be shooting infuriating drama-baits your way and just waiting for you to bite the hook, the only way to win with a toxic person is not to play.
so i guess i won't be bothering to check this thread anymore.
cya toxic berry
What is this I don't even Well...from here it looks like that was you getting owned for being a see you in tee. Be nice to noobs ffs, they are this games lifeblood afterall...how hard is it to hold someones hand once in awhile?
I guess, if inarticulate ranting by a quasi-literate imbecile constitutes "ownage".
Looked like the OP throwing a tantrum, from where I was sitting.
I am frequently nice to noobs. I have no patience of whiners, regardless of level of experience. |
Dyphorus
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
20
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Posted - 2013.05.19 05:06:00 -
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Cooper Tzash wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Out of the thousands of systems in EVE, there's only a tiny few that are camped to the degree you're talking about
why pick those systems bro corp operates out of there....providence. Yong gate is a bloody nightmare
Yeah, because there aren't other ways into Provi. That aside, the gate camp hasn't been created that can't be successfully navigated with a little bit of skill. If you handle it correctly the campers need to be good, and also very lucky, to catch you.
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Gempei
CHAOS SQUAD Nulli Legio
37
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Posted - 2013.05.19 11:59:00 -
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Cooper Tzash wrote:corp operates out of there....providence. Yong gate is a bloody nightmare Traffic control in Yong is locked for smugglers and all unauthorized weapons-holders. Do not enter this area. With regards, your Shousran traffic control oficier
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Garr Earthbender
Justified Chaos
157
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Posted - 2013.05.19 14:04:00 -
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Also if you want help, post with your main so we can take a look at what ship you're trying to PvP with.
Getting through a gate camp in a Hurricane is much different than with a Rifter. -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. -Paper |
Auduin Samson
Do not disturb Sanctuary Pact
55
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Posted - 2013.05.19 18:00:00 -
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Wait a minute... Am I the only one that noticed that the OP wants to get into PvP but is making a ragepost about being ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN PVP? PvP isn't (usually) a couple of honorable dudes taking up pistols at dawn under predefined circumstances. PvP is viscerally tearing at one another until it stops being funny.
Gate camps are part of it. I love gate camps. Gate camps have single handedly lead to almost every one of my fiery deaths (of which there are many), but that is part of the game. When I feel like shooting at people, I load up a cheap frig with cheap mods and fly around the gates in Amamake, because everyone and their dog is looking for a fight there.
If you want PvP, EXPECT PVP. Don't expect people to work to deliver you a fair fight. Expect people to take every opportunity to bone you over, and get good at being the better tactician. Until you get good, fly something like this that you can easily replace many times over. Some fights you will win, many you will lose (speaking from the experience of a mission runner just starting to get into PvP). That's part of the game. That's how it's supposed to go.
For your reference, here are some basic do's and don't's of PvP:
DO: 1. Expect to explode. A lot. 2. Try new things. 3. Take note of what does and doesn't work. 4. Accept defeat graciously; harvest tears from those who don't. 5. Enlist a friend to join you. 6. Ask those who know how you can improve. (Heck, ask the person who killed you what you did wrong. You'd be surprised) 7. When you do explode, think about why it happened (Most recently for me: Actually forgot to fire guns when activating mods. That was hilariously embarrassing.)
DON'T: 1. Fly something you can't replace many times. 2. Expect fights to be fair. 3. Expect a mission boat to work for PvP 4. Try to make fits cap stable. 5. Cry on the forums when you explode. |
Brain Gehirn
Vera Cruz. Nulli Secunda
20
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Posted - 2013.05.19 23:00:00 -
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I heard something about Yong, but I doesnt recall what. Maybe there are some awesome pirates over the area
What is a signature? |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
59
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:19:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Cooper Tzash wrote:your not even given the chance to get into a system?
for the past 2 days i have been trying to get into a location to try pvp, how the hell am i supposed to enjoy pvp when i can't even get into a location to try it. Gates are camped, anything that moves through the gate is destroyed. Sorry but i just cannot see the point in buying another ship for some campers to pop.
So don't. You say your corp operates out of Providence. They probably have an office there. You can dock in a station, set your medical clone to an office in providence, try to get past them in just your pod. If they blow up your pod you'll land where you were already trying to get to.... Frankly, it's really impossible to do anything like "pvp" with guys who camp high/low-sec gates for a living. They know their game well, they'll have you scouted well in advance of you jumping and if they can take you, you're going to die. However, despite the fact that they're all red and flashy and have macho sounding epeen in local chat, most of the low-sec choke hold campers are incredibly risk averse. If they have any doubts about whether or not they can take you then they'll scatter like cockroaches in the light and hide in a safe spot (or dock up to be really really REALLY safe like the ones in Rancer do) and suck their thumbs while you go past. They may try to smack talk in local chat while you're in their system but I can never understand what they're talking about with their thumbs in their mouths. In any case, they will never EVER engage on anything but a sure win... Which points to the 2nd way you can get past them. Enter with a fleet. They'll run. guaranteed. the real issue will start if they don't run. it then means they HAVE (or think they have) enought reinforcement, somewhere, to take your fleet.
as you said, they are risk adverse, so the moment they look for the fight, you know what to expect! |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
225
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Posted - 2013.05.22 19:11:00 -
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mwd+cloak trick if you cant fly cov-ops |
Terra Khashour
Pink Bunnies Cartel.
3
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Posted - 2013.05.23 09:08:00 -
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Cooper Tzash wrote:your not even given the chance to get into a system?
for the past 2 days i have been trying to get into a location to try pvp, how the hell am i supposed to enjoy pvp when i can't even get into a location to try it. Gates are camped, anything that moves through the gate is destroyed. Sorry but i just cannot see the point in buying another ship for some campers to pop.
ROFL, camping is part of PVP, learn to break camps. |
Karig'Ano Keikira
Tax Cheaters
55
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Posted - 2013.05.24 10:29:00 -
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As a rule of thumb: the more roundaround the way you take, the less the chance for gate camp. Also going in right after downtime, right before downtime or very early in the morning will minimize chance you get screwed. And ofc, cloak > camp (usually, good ones can still get you, but chance is much lower) |
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters Talocan United
0
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Posted - 2013.05.24 17:40:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:I guess, if inarticulate ranting by a quasi-literate imbecile constitutes "ownage". Looked like the OP throwing a tantrum, from where I was sitting. I am frequently nice to noobs. I have no patience for whiners, regardless of level of experience.
Bingo. Come legitimately asking for advice, and you will find it (along with some trolling, but that's a given regardless). Come whining about how you can't PvP because other people keep blowing you up will get you mocked, and rightfully so.
It's all about attitude.
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Jane Oretaker
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.24 19:52:00 -
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Well I don't know if this will help you but this is what me and a friend did just yesterday and mind you this was my first pvp experience. I consider it one of the most fun times even though I wasnt able to kill anyone. We basically bought a stack of merlins and shitfitted them with t1 gear, set a route from our high sec hub to another high sec system whle changing the star map settings to allow LS entry.
We basically knew we were going to lose the ships and didnt care much for it cause they were cheap and replacable however from simply going system to system I learned hoe to narrow down targets using the d-scanner and system map browser open. What endedup happening was that we engaged a nemesis that was used bait and upon engaging we got jumped by a t2 cruiser gang. Suprisingly they tried to ransom our t1 merlins... I pretty much said f*** off and proceeded to mutilate their t2 drones (couldnt really do any damage cause of their tank) and got blown up. It was a great experienc and I am looking forward to more pvp.
What I'm trying to say is that you have to not care about dying first and make sure you can replace your ship and that's when you'llstart to learn what and who to engage!
Just imo... Good luck! |
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1663
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Posted - 2013.05.28 06:11:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:1. Buy covert ops frigate. 2. Fit covert ops cloak. 3. Laugh at campers in local. 4. Collect tears.
Every hound on my killboard thought this was good advice. There's an art to running a competent gatecamp. |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
223
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Posted - 2013.05.28 20:55:00 -
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I hear Ventures are the new hotness when it comes to blowing thru a gatecamp..:) |
Katie Frost
Asgard. Exodus.
164
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Posted - 2013.05.28 22:56:00 -
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Cooper Tzash wrote:your not even given the chance to get into a system?
for the past 2 days i have been trying to get into a location to try pvp, how the hell am i supposed to enjoy pvp when i can't even get into a location to try it. Gates are camped, anything that moves through the gate is destroyed. Sorry but i just cannot see the point in buying another ship for some campers to pop.
So you jumped into a system and got killed by other players.
Hi, you just PvP-ed... and you lost.
This is nothing more than a whine thread about you losing a ship and not being able to deal with a simple gate-camp. Stay in high-sec dude.
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Regis Solo
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.05.29 11:40:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Falcus Aurelius wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Cooper Tzash wrote:@ the halle berry wannabe
this kind of sums you up
Toxic people like to accuse, tantrum, manipulate and smear their way to habe their own way or even the last word. Their out-of-control emotions and self-centeredness make the blame game and the smear campaign two of their favorite tactics for keeping you engaged with them so they can feed off you. Upset a toxic person, and theyGÇÖll be shooting infuriating drama-baits your way and just waiting for you to bite the hook, the only way to win with a toxic person is not to play.
so i guess i won't be bothering to check this thread anymore.
cya toxic berry
What is this I don't even Well...from here it looks like that was you getting owned for being a see you in tee. Be nice to noobs ffs, they are this games lifeblood afterall...how hard is it to hold someones hand once in awhile? I guess, if inarticulate ranting by a quasi-literate imbecile constitutes "ownage". Looked like the OP throwing a tantrum, from where I was sitting. I am frequently nice to noobs. I have no patience for whiners, regardless of level of experience.
It seems that you are quite the opposite of nice to noobs. I see this kind of elitism all the time, yawn!
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Mathrin
Synthetic Solution Synthetic Systems
85
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Posted - 2013.05.31 21:48:00 -
[45] - Quote
If you have to ask on the forums about how to get into a system your corp works out of you probably need a new corp. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
1023
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Posted - 2013.06.01 03:21:00 -
[46] - Quote
First thing you should do to try and pick up PVP is join a PVP corporation or a corporation that will teach PVP to you.
EVE Uni is good if you are totally new to the game.
Red vs Blue is a classic and still going strong. I haven't met a single person who's tried it and regretted it. Some people create separate characters just for RvB
Faction Warfare is good if you don't mind hurting your standings with some parts of Empire Space.
Or you could try one of the many wonderful PVP corporations out there. My corp is pretty proficient :) but this isn't a recruitment thread, do research and find which corps would be good for you. Even if you just want to solo, joining anyone one of the listed groups will provide you with help should you need it as well as good locations and targets for PVP. The best part is they will teach you a thing or two on the way. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Grandma Squirel
Squirel Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2013.06.01 04:16:00 -
[47] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:1. Buy covert ops frigate. 2. Fit covert ops cloak. 3. Laugh at campers in local. 4. Collect tears. Every hound on my killboard thought this was good advice. There's an art to running a competent gatecamp.
There is also an art to not dying to them in your hound. 1. Use your jump cloak timer to evaluate the situation. 2a. If there is no dictor/hictor on the gate, you can probably hit warp to a celestial, and cloak away. 2b. If there is one dictor, and not too much really fast tackle, look for celestial that you can align at, that will also quickly take you away from the gate, hit align, hit MWD, hit cloak. DO NOT HIT WARP until you are out of the initial bubble, then spam it. 2c. If there are multiple dictors, a large anchored bubble, or tons of fast tackle, approach gate, overload MWD, cloak, spam jump and pray. 3. Odds are good your still alive unless it was a massive camp, though sometimes luck is just against you.
Best method for dealing with a gate camp: 1. Warp totally inconspicuous ferox to gate 2. Perform cyno checklist 3. Jump through, point the most expensive ship (s) on field, light cyno 4. Profit |
Raymond Moons
Parallactic Veil
3
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Posted - 2013.06.01 11:54:00 -
[48] - Quote
Quote:2b. If there is one dictor, and not too much really fast tackle, look for celestial that you can align at, that will also quickly take you away from the gate, hit align, hit MWD, hit cloak. DO NOT HIT WARP until you are out of the initial bubble, then spam it. 2c. If there are multiple dictors, a large anchored bubble, or tons of fast tackle, approach gate, overload MWD, cloak, spam jump and pray. 3. Odds are good your still alive unless it was a massive camp, though sometimes luck is just against you.
Actually you can hit cloak and then MWD. You will get one cycle of MWD before it switches off. If you want to crash the gate try this: wait out the session change timer, right click the stargate, select "set waypoint as", overload MWD, switch on AP and then MWD. You should auto-jump as soon as in range.
Dual sensor boosting HICs (or remote boosted) with a focussed point should be able to catch pretty much everything trying to warp away; if they're paying attention. |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
4
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Posted - 2013.06.07 13:19:00 -
[49] - Quote
To OP - If you plan on playing by yourself on one account AND you are committed to going through the same gate - here is what I would do. Get your main character into the system, go ahead and log off at that lowsec gate. Create an alternate character. Log on with said character, fly to the system you want to be in (with a rookie ship)
On the highsec side of that gate, have your newb alt spend 1/2 his starting isk to move his clone in system. Fly to the lowsec gate. Jump through. If there's a gate camp, go grab a coke and wait for your ship to wake up next door. Watch some T.V. keep losing free newbie ships, and pods at no cost until you are fairly certain there is no gate camp there.
Log your main back on, jump through said gate. congratulations, you are now in Lowsec and can plan on getting blobbed in a plex or jumped at a celestial. Enjoy.
To Jane - great attitude, I generally assume I'm going to lose my ship as well - because it's really a little more fun that way.
Edit: If your going to make an alt for this purpose; I would suggest making the name something funny. At least let the campers have a laugh. My favorite are variations are 'not NPC scout,' 'pod pinatta,' or 'free candy inside.' |
Pinaculus
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
214
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:20:00 -
[50] - Quote
I don't get this post at all.
OP wants to PVP in EVE, gets killed at a gate camp, and complains about it?
OP....that was PVP in EVE. All the stuff you see in the techno laden Youtube videos are the highlights reels of people's PVP. They're good videos because those fights aren't normal! Next time you see one go check the same guy's killboard. I guarantee you you'll see them losing tons of ships in 1 vs. 10 scenarios (aka Gatecamps, Friends in the Next System, Logged on Alts, etc.)
Getting your face smashed in IS solo pvp in EVE. It's why the fights where that doesn't happen are so awesome even if you lose.
Go buy some poor-fit T1 ships and lose them. That's PVP. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
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Garresh
Team Chicken and Waffles
270
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Posted - 2013.06.12 02:09:00 -
[51] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:1. Buy covert ops frigate. 2. Fit covert ops cloak. 3. Laugh at campers in local. 4. Collect tears. Every hound on my killboard thought this was good advice. There's an art to running a competent gatecamp.
And there's an art to slipping through such a competent gate camp. But always glad to see gate campers doing it right. I don't much like gate campers...but if there's one thing I hate, its stupid gate campers. This Space Intentionally Left Blank |
Lugia3
Pirates Incorporated
425
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:22:00 -
[52] - Quote
As expected, OP has biomassed.
Well, off to WoW with him. Good riddance. Yarr |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction Whores in space
429
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:27:00 -
[53] - Quote
Cooper Tzash wrote:your not even given the chance to get into a system?
for the past 2 days i have been trying to get into a location to try pvp, how the hell am i supposed to enjoy pvp when i can't even get into a location to try it. Gates are camped, anything that moves through the gate is destroyed. Sorry but i just cannot see the point in buying another ship for some campers to pop.
well that IS pvp.. you were participating in PVP when you cross a gate camp.. exploding or not. PVP is not made only of hunters, but as of targets as well. |
Praxis Ginimic
368
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Posted - 2013.06.21 19:18:00 -
[54] - Quote
Don't just enter with a fleet. Come up with a plan to break the camp. These guys have custom fits to make the best of camping. You can build a custom fleet to stomp the crap out of them. Be crafty and surprise them |
Hidalgo Antriz
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.21 21:27:00 -
[55] - Quote
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:1. Buy covert ops frigate. 2. Fit covert ops cloak. 3. Laugh at campers in local. 4. Collect tears.
Will have to try this sometime. Brilliant.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1456
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Posted - 2013.06.22 15:01:00 -
[56] - Quote
Cooper Tzash wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Out of the thousands of systems in EVE, there's only a tiny few that are camped to the degree you're talking about why pick those systems bro corp operates out of there....providence. Yong gate is a bloody nightmare. I think the solution is to quit your corp. If they can't help you get to the area they operate in, then they aren't really worth all that much. (The mere fact you need to go to forums to get ideas is bad enough) |
Lychton Kondur
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2013.07.05 15:17:00 -
[57] - Quote
Oh my god. He Biomassed.
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Cooper%20Tzash
"Cooper Tzash cannot be found.
There is currently no character profile with the name Cooper Tzash "
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
Orvus Prime
Darkstar Imperium Insidious Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.07.06 02:01:00 -
[58] - Quote
Minmatar and amarr faction warfare areas are the best place for PvP in high sec. I've gotten a few group kills in those area. Around Bosoger amamake is always camped by a alliance called atrocities. |
Haulie Berry
1102
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Posted - 2013.07.10 15:08:00 -
[59] - Quote
And nothing of value was lost. |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:31:00 -
[60] - Quote
A newb interested in pvp quit. Something of value was lost. 600k subscribers and 8 alts per vet player average? Eve needs new blood, but the old vets are so full of their own **** how obvious everything is they cant help but **** on new players. |
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Taoist Dragon
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
498
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Posted - 2013.07.10 21:13:00 -
[61] - Quote
Ciyrine wrote:A newb interested in pvp quit. Something of value was lost. 600k subscribers and 8 alts per vet player average? Eve needs new blood, but the old vets are so full of their own **** how obvious everything is they cant help but **** on new players.
While agree with this statement in principle and that vet eve players can be a total bunch of tossers (yes I am one) the one thing that makes eve stand out is that is doesn't you things on a silver platter and that space is a harsh environment.
When asked a question I will always answer truthfully but I generally won't give all the information I know as I also encourage new players to go out and try things and do a bit of research (there is a metric fuckton of information just a google search away.) Eve is a hell of a lot easier to get into now than it ever has been. Man it took me months just to get into my first cruiser in 2003 - an arbitrator no less.
Eve needs people who are resourceful and can do stuff themselves if it is to stay the excellent game we know it an not become another space thempark (some already think it is). Yes it is a pity a new player didn't have the experience they wanted but after playing many MMO's over many many years it probably wasn't the game for them. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.07.11 13:45:00 -
[62] - Quote
EVE needs new players, new players in 2013 have different expectations than new players in 2003. This game is complicated and the evewiki website is out of date, many missing entries. The game doesnt have to be made easier in gameplay terms. but after 10 years on the market there should be a metric **** ton of information at the players finger tips.
A new player having trouble getting through a gate camp should be able to go to eve wiki and read 20 pages of very helpful info on options. not come to the forum and get **** on because the eve wiki is useless and often giving incorrect information which is worse than no information. |
Taoist Dragon
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
500
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Posted - 2013.07.11 22:38:00 -
[63] - Quote
Ciyrine wrote:EVE needs new players, new players in 2013 have different expectations than new players in 2003. This game is complicated and the evewiki website is out of date, many missing entries. The game doesnt have to be made easier in gameplay terms. but after 10 years on the market there should be a metric **** ton of information at the players finger tips.
A new player having trouble getting through a gate camp should be able to go to eve wiki and read 20 pages of very helpful info on options. not come to the forum and get **** on because the eve wiki is useless and often giving incorrect information which is worse than no information.
wiki bah!
New 2013 players will have heard of google I'm sure! There is a metric megaton of up to date info out there from actual players which is as always better than the standard info you get from the game devs (this is the same with ALL mmos!) That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
467
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Posted - 2013.07.12 02:11:00 -
[64] - Quote
Ciyrine wrote:EVE needs new players, new players in 2013 have different expectations than new players in 2003. This game is complicated and the evewiki website is out of date, many missing entries. The game doesnt have to be made easier in gameplay terms. but after 10 years on the market there should be a metric **** ton of information at the players finger tips.
A new player having trouble getting through a gate camp should be able to go to eve wiki and read 20 pages of very helpful info on options. not come to the forum and get **** on because the eve wiki is useless and often giving incorrect information which is worse than no information.
Yes more players is always good.
But in the case of this OP, in between the usual trolling answers (we all do it in W&T) he was also given very good and honest advise.
X Gal hit it on the head.
Quote:' I think the solution is to quit your corp. If they can't help you get to the area they operate in, then they aren't really worth all that much. (The mere fact you need to go to forums to get ideas is bad enough '
When I couldn't get any further in Eve - I joined FW and found good people who could help me learn. I got blown up everytime I undocked (still do tbh) but instead of quitting I would try new things, look for solutions or ask an experienced player 'What am I doing wrong?'
The people who do that will succeed in Eve. Sitting back waiting for a spoon fed solution is not what this game is about.
I always thought the wiki was supposed to be compiled/updated by the general player base. So it is everyone who plays eve's fault the wiki isn't up to date - including you. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
398
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Posted - 2013.07.12 11:02:00 -
[65] - Quote
Ciyrine wrote:A newb interested in pvp quit. Something of value was lost. 600k subscribers and 8 alts per vet player average? Eve needs new blood, but the old vets are so full of their own **** how obvious everything is they cant help but **** on new players.
No, it wasnt a guy interested in Pvp at all, it waas some random tosser who threw a fit when things didnt go his way straight away and then destroyed his character rather than learn from the experience. An attitude like that has no place in EvE and never will, hence the less than polite replies.
And for your information new players dont get **** on because theyre new, they get **** on because they make assumptions about the game and its players that with even the smallest bit of research they would know werent true. The new player who makes the effort and does the research that lets them ditch their assumptions gets nothing but help, I've seen it time and again even here on the forums. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |
Ciyrine
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:18:00 -
[66] - Quote
Typed from phone ignore grammer spelling
Darek Castigatus wrote:Ciyrine wrote:A newb interested in pvp quit. Something of value was lost. 600k subscribers and 8 alts per vet player average? Eve needs new blood, but the old vets are so full of their own **** how obvious everything is they cant help but **** on new players. No, it wasnt a guy interested in Pvp at all, it waas some random tosser who threw a fit when things didnt go his way straight away and then destroyed his character rather than learn from the experience. An attitude like that has no place in EvE and never will, hence the less than polite replies. And for your information new players dont get **** on because theyre new, they get **** on because they make assumptions about the game and its players that with even the smallest bit of research they would know werent true. The new player who makes the effort and does the research that lets them ditch their assumptions gets nothing but help, I've seen it time and again even here on the forums.
Ur exactly the kind of vet thats the problem.
1) u make intellectually dishonest statements that op wasnt interested in pvp....small hint for u....he was
2) then u call him a tosser which gives u moral wiggle room why shittig on him is fine
Let me give u a clue. New players do get **** on. Because they make all kinds of mistakes in game, on the forum in their questions, in their fits etc. Which vets find very insulting to their sensibilities. Because u know....gooogle...or its obvious...or just go out there and do it.
Let me give u a second clue. Researching info is going to find all kinds of contradictory, out of date, confusing material that a new player will have trouble sorting through. And it takes several months to catch up. I been ice mining for 2 mos which gave me the time to read several hours a day to learn whats going on with the game. And thats to learn the basics of the different choices in the game. The one resource i didnt use was eve wiki because most of the time the info was wrong out of date or just missing. And thats embarrasing. Most games have a vibrant community that does the updates. Im too new to do that and the vets dont care because its all obvious apparently
Asking questions on the forums i was told to ask in game chat, or test on sisi which requires the skills in the real game which shows how out of touch the vets are. They dont even know that a new player cant use sisi to test things. So basically a new player myself putting in tons of effort into the game was told to go away and shut up with my stupid questions or figure it out myself. And the mods locked most of my threads because in 10 years everythings been asked so everything i ask is a duplicate thread.
When u say new players are helped ur confused. That new player is a 6mo maybe but probably, 1 year, 3 year player trying something new but comes to the convo with enough information so he asks the question just right so he doesnt get **** on.
Many new players get brought into the game by a vet friend that gives them isk from the plex they got for the referral. Their spoon fed skillbooks, isk, ships, info and career paths. They might stick around
True new players that dont have rl in game friends are very unlikely to make it in this game. The stat is 1 in 20 stick around past the trial. Just maybe its something wrong with the community/game. How many more quit within a month or two from that? The game is complicated, the info is scattered missing incorrect when found and the communitiy is extrememly hostile to real newbs because u get so few of them around here u think their stupid troll tossers. So they get **** on by vets and mods
Ccp and mods to stupid to figure out how to make it more figure out how to make the game more accessible to new players. Not by dumbing down the game but by making the official wiki the best resource for info. Or make uniwiki official wiki remove the embarrasing evewiki. And get some mods that treat newbs with kitten gloves. Dont lock their topics left and right. Remove vet harrassment. Basically act like u need new players. Understand the hostility of the vets towards newbs. Mods need to take action to control vet attacks and not contribute to the problem by locking posts willy nilly. But since mods are just player vets thats not likely to happen |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
470
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:06:00 -
[67] - Quote
Ciyrine wrote: Dont lock their topics left and right. Remove vet harrassment. Basically act like u need new players. Understand the hostility of the vets towards newbs. Mods need to take action to control vet attacks and not contribute to the problem by locking posts willy nilly. But since mods are just player vets thats not likely to happen
You made the mistake of thinking CCP moderate these forums the same way other game forums are moderated.
I have lost count of how many of my amazing posts CCP have deleted. Maybe 1/3-1/2 deserved to be deleted for excessively sexy awesomeness but the rest were just ISD's being vengeful because I have upset one of their pets.
Once an ISD decides they don't like you - they simply stalk you around the forums and will put blatant lies about the reason for deleting posts. CCP should be monitoring and checking the removed posts to confirm their reasons for taking actions/deleting posts but it seems they have a free reign to be douches and are not monitored at all.
I had a real nutter go through the entire forums a few months back and delete everything I did that day just because I somehow upset his pet RPing boyfriend.
If your posts didn't have any offensive content and were not against the forums rules then you are having the same problem with no lifers being given power and abusing it that others of us have also had to deal with.
It is not an attack on new players in general. Don't let it stress you - Just accept that some of the ISD's are just morons who will abuse their power to moderate.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Robert Saint
Playright
93
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Posted - 2013.07.12 18:36:00 -
[68] - Quote
OP, You are not alone...
Eve doesn't have a PVP system that is like other games where you play fairly against other players.
It's just not in here and it appears that it would take an act of God to change it.
So it's really a PVE game with a little bit of gang wars thrown in for sport.
You might look around for friends to duel and that's about it, but if you want a fair fight against another players this isn't the game for it.
Note: Post #66 is right on regarding the VETS - New Player thing - at least in the forums. CCP has done a great job with helping the new player figure out PVE and High Sec stuff with the Agent system. They have done ZERO helping new players get into the so called PVP of this game... I've been playing on and off for two years and can't stand the idea of PVP in this game as it's a joke. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
6
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Posted - 2013.07.12 19:01:00 -
[69] - Quote
couple of things to the last poster:
You are correct that there are very few "fair" fights in EvE. Only the "honor" bound or the stupid engage in such activities. There are however quite a few "gudfights" where the balance of forces is relatively close and it comes down to pilot skills, setup, engagement range, etc. This however does not make EvE a PvE game (there are PvE activities you can pursue but you are never safe if you are undocked). This will not change (nor should it).
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Robert Saint
Playright
93
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Posted - 2013.07.12 20:02:00 -
[70] - Quote
Thanatos Marathon wrote:couple of things to the last poster:
You are correct that there are very few "fair" fights in EvE. Only the "honor" bound or the stupid engage in such activities. There are however quite a few "gudfights" where the balance of forces is relatively close and it comes down to pilot skills, setup, engagement range, etc. This however does not make EvE a PvE game (there are PvE activities you can pursue but you are never safe if you are undocked). This will not change (nor should it).
I'll bite, since Forum PVP is the only true PVP in this game.
It's just wrong that people mis-use the term PVP, it's stands for player vs player and its core use in gaming has always been an option for playing against other players instead of playing against the environment (PVE). It really depends on your gaming goals, but I say PVP does not exist for the most part in EVE because there is no structure setup by the publisher to allow players to combat other players with any kind of formatted balance. Most Vets in this game protest such a system as it will change the current open world gang system that exists, so it will unlikely be an option for new players who do not understand the differences. The word Sandbox is thrown around in the forum a great deal and it's really getting old. You can still keep your Sandbox and have an Arena 1VS1 agent system setup for people trying to play fairly against other players.
It's been beat to death in the forums, so it's a boring topic.... yet frustrating that a game like this would be great if it had actual PVP gaming in it. Sorry friends, open gangs aren't PVP... it's "GVG"! or just random luck that you found a fair fight.
Fair fights are the only thing that is worth winning, otherwise you're just a gang bullying another player. |
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Taoist Dragon
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
504
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Posted - 2013.07.12 21:21:00 -
[71] - Quote
LOL everything in eve is pvp.
Mission running has a slight difference but plenty of pvp happens in missions just go look at the Crime & Punishment section if you want lots of evidence of mission runners crying about pvp.
Basically eve is what you make of it. If you are smart you'll have no problems doing what you want and you'll enjoy it. However if you just whine about whatever is mucking you around because you won't do something about it then eve isn't the game for you.
The only 'fair' fights in eve are friends 'dueling' or a couple of e-bushido warriors concensually engaging (yes it does happen despite all the rants saying otherwise, most of my in game friends are this type tbh) everything else is people getting murdered. To some this is difficult to comprehend as it is what makes eve eve imo.
I am predominantly a solo'er and I accept the fact that unless I really work at it or I engage one of the known e-warriors I'll be fighting outnumbered and outgunned.
So why do I do it? Cos I can and I enjoy a challenge. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
SB Rico
210
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Posted - 2013.09.22 11:35:00 -
[72] - Quote
Karig'Ano Keikira wrote:As a rule of thumb: the more roundaround the way you take, the less the chance for gate camp. Also going in right after downtime, right before downtime or very early in the morning will minimize chance you get screwed. And ofc, cloak > camp (usually, good ones can still get you, but chance is much lower)
I wuv this myth, apparently the only people who don't log on straight after DT are the campers :P Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.
Killing me should be for free. |
Eggs Ackley
10
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Posted - 2013.09.22 16:38:00 -
[73] - Quote
Simple solution early on is to go to the map and set "avoid system" on the gate camp system. Then plan your route. It may take longer but you will be in one piece. Covops cloak is the best bet in the long run. Gate campers are not among the most astute pvpers. But it is fun... |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3463
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Posted - 2013.09.23 06:33:00 -
[74] - Quote
Robert Saint wrote:Thanatos Marathon wrote:couple of things to the last poster:
You are correct that there are very few "fair" fights in EvE. Only the "honor" bound or the stupid engage in such activities. There are however quite a few "gudfights" where the balance of forces is relatively close and it comes down to pilot skills, setup, engagement range, etc. This however does not make EvE a PvE game (there are PvE activities you can pursue but you are never safe if you are undocked). This will not change (nor should it).
I'll bite, since Forum PVP is the only true PVP in this game. NOTE... I've been missioning for the two years I've played and I have NEVER been attacked in HIGH SEC when I was flying in anything that would shoot back... thus it's a PVE/GVG game. It's just wrong that people mis-use the term PVP, it's stands for player vs player and its core use in gaming has always been an option for playing against other players instead of playing against the environment (PVE). Battling the mind of a real person instead of the script of an AI. It really depends on your gaming goals, but I say PVP does not exist for the most part in EVE because there is no structure setup by the publisher to allow players to combat other players with any kind of formatted balance. Most Vets in this game protest such a system as it will change the current open world gang system that exists, so it will unlikely be an option for new players who do not understand the differences. The word Sandbox is thrown around in the forum a great deal and it's really getting old. You can still keep your Sandbox and have an Arena 1VS1 agent system setup for people trying to play fairly against other players. It's been beat to death in the forums, so it's a boring topic.... yet frustrating that a game like this would be great if it had actual PVP gaming in it. Sorry friends, open gangs aren't PVP... it's "GVG"! or just random luck that you found a fair fight. Fair fights are the only thing that is worth winning, otherwise you're just a gang bullying another player.
Arranged, matched fights aren't PVP, they are e-sports. Boring. EVE is hard, merciless and unpredictable. Winning a fight in an open environment takes more player skill than fake fighting in controlled settings.
Not directly suggesting that lack of skill would be the reason for your perception of "unfair". . |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
559
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Posted - 2013.09.24 03:23:00 -
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Robert Saint wrote:OP, You are not alone...
Eve doesn't have a PVP system that is like other games where you play fairly against other players.
It's just not in here and it appears that it would take an act of God to change it.
So it's really a PVE game with a little bit of gang wars thrown in for sport.
You might look around for friends to duel and that's about it, but if you want a fair fight against another players this isn't the game for it.
All pvp in eve is fair.
This is an MMO - Many people just refuse to drop the solo/1P mentality. Even if they bring more people it is still fair. No one stopped you bringing more and matching the fleet size.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Spud Lazair
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.09.24 14:55:00 -
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i think a valid point was made, most of the vets have amassed millions of isk so loosing 5 or 6 ships a day to a gate camp is not a big deal to them, however when noobs like myself loose a ship it is a big deal because we / i am not yet established with a steady stream of isk coming in to replace what i loose easily. been attacked by vets is like all the schools bullies ganging up on the speccy kid......................................... |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3473
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Posted - 2013.09.24 16:32:00 -
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Spud Lazair wrote:i think a valid point was made, most of the vets have amassed millions of isk so loosing 5 or 6 ships a day to a gate camp is not a big deal to them, however when noobs like myself loose a ship it is a big deal because we / i am not yet established with a steady stream of isk coming in to replace what i loose easily. been attacked by vets is like all the schools bullies ganging up on the speccy kid.........................................
No valid point is made, and nobody loses 5-6 ships per day to a gate camp. . |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Forsak3n.
342
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Posted - 2013.09.24 21:08:00 -
[78] - Quote
Personally, I can't stand gate-camps. They are just an inconvenience for me, as I usually just blow through with ze ol MWD/cloak trick.
Coincidentally, OP has biomassed.
Free Ripley Weaver! |
Goretorium
BadWolf Gaming
7
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Posted - 2013.09.26 09:31:00 -
[79] - Quote
If you are dying in a gate camp then you are pvping... Players are Versus You (Player) PvP. And they are getting their kills, you're just not good at it and dying.
With that being said get friends to roll with or learn separation tactics to separate the campers and pick them off in an interceptor or a cynabal/vagabond... There are some good youtube guides for that.
Just some thoughts besides the obvious go elsewhere that has been posted many times before. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
31
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:55:00 -
[80] - Quote
Roime wrote:Spud Lazair wrote:i think a valid point was made, most of the vets have amassed millions of isk so loosing 5 or 6 ships a day to a gate camp is not a big deal to them, however when noobs like myself loose a ship it is a big deal because we / i am not yet established with a steady stream of isk coming in to replace what i loose easily. been attacked by vets is like all the schools bullies ganging up on the speccy kid......................................... No valid point is made, and nobody loses 5-6 ships per day to a gate camp.
I think my record was 3 (not to the same camps) |
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Dalto Bane
Knights of the Posing Meat The Obsidian Front
8
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Posted - 2013.09.29 10:11:00 -
[81] - Quote
Hell, I've been stone cold drunk flying around in Syndicate, then the blackouts, and woke up the next morning after DT, logged on expecting to see the station my med clone was at and the insurance payout, but low and behold, ship was in one piece, all my guns were burned out, and had 10 exotic dancer in my cargo hold, and guess where I was at, right in the center of Provi.. So yeah, OP, good luck bro, but I really don't think you are going to find much sympathy around here when you are looking at getting in to PVP and can't circumvent a few gate camps. DOTLAN maps will be your best friend if you take a look at it and really study the route you take, like how many kills in the system, etc. GL again!
-One last thing, and really the point I was getting at is don't be a Dalto, because the best learning experiences I have had in Eve were always the expensive ones, story above is true, but I have died way more than lived drunk flying, or not scouting the way ahead, whether through 3rd party apps like DOTLAN or taking a look at the guys camping the gate to see when their most active times are.. there are a hundreds of ways to do it, and your gonna have to start learning. I find it sad that your Corpmates aren't giving you a hand, but sometimes you just gotta ask. |
Tao Dolcino
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
134
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Posted - 2013.09.29 19:36:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Out of the thousands of systems in EVE, there's only a tiny few that are camped to the degree you're talking about
why pick those systems bro
Yes, but in the other hand, we must be honest, it's always the bottlenecks which are camped, so saying that there is tons of choice is not really exact. I speak about pipes to null sec, if you just want to go to low sec it's indeed much easier to find alternative ways. It also depend at which time you log in. During quiet hours you can pretty much go where you want, but during the US/EU evenings, sometimes it's hard to find one pipe in the whole cluster which is not camped. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
522
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:38:00 -
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Cooper Tzash wrote:your not even given the chance to get into a system?
for the past 2 days i have been trying to get into a location to try pvp, how the hell am i supposed to enjoy pvp when i can't even get into a location to try it. Gates are camped, anything that moves through the gate is destroyed. Sorry but i just cannot see the point in buying another ship for some campers to pop.
then you just found pvp. PVP is not being always the apex predator. Can't beat them? go around, go somewhere else.
The only real problem eve has related to newcommers and PVP is indeed lack of information. Some say use google, but you need to know that somethign exists to search for it.
Most peopel have no idea about gate camps, traps etc.
I remember the first few times i lost a cruiser I was enraged how unfair was T2 cruisers hunting my cruiser at the very first exits of high sec. At least I was lucky of going into low sec within 2 weeks of character creation. That allowed me to learn from the start that thigns are dangerous. I developed a sense that I was the PREY, i did not had any idiotic illusion that because i had ran level 4 missions i knew how to fight and could defeat the enemies ( i was still in level 2 back then). Since i had the mentality of being hunted by sharks, I soon learned valuable things.
I almost stopped when I lost 4 ruptures on same day, but luckly , I had payed 3 months in advance, so I decided to continue.. and then the learnign started to kick in.
The best way to make newcommers not SHOCKED when they die, is make them go to low sec with the "YOU ARE BEIG HUNTED, you are a NOTHING!"mentality on the first week.
The current advertisement of eve, that makes the newplayer think that he is almighty and powerful at the start is one of the reasons the frustration kicks in.
Eve must show at tutorial and introduction and advertisement that you are rich and IMORTAL, but you are just a tiny fish at the start and there is the adventure of trying to grab richness and slip between the jaws of giant sharks. |
Tao Dolcino
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
141
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:17:00 -
[84] - Quote
Lugia3 wrote:As expected, OP has biomassed.
Well, off to WoW with him. Good riddance.
When there will only be arrogant "elite" bittervets left in EVE, paying their subscriptions with ISK, then CCP will pull the plug. Good riddance. |
Leor Duku
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:54:00 -
[85] - Quote
0.5/10 |
Janna Sway
46
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Posted - 2013.10.03 07:49:00 -
[86] - Quote
Cooper Tzash wrote:your not even given the chance to get into a system?
for the past 2 days i have been trying to get into a location to try pvp, how the hell am i supposed to enjoy pvp when i can't even get into a location to try it. Gates are camped, anything that moves through the gate is destroyed. Sorry but i just cannot see the point in buying another ship for some campers to pop.
I promise you, you can get through most gatecamps with your pvp ship. you just have to fit it for the purpose of passing the gatecamp. after passing it, dock up somewhere and refit. |
Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
460
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:30:00 -
[87] - Quote
Get a corpie to scan down a wormhole in your area. Find a low or highsec entrance and go that way. I do it all the time, usually takes 15 to 30 mins to find a 1 or 2 jump route from high to my null sec area. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
269
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:13:00 -
[88] - Quote
Cooper Tzash wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Out of the thousands of systems in EVE, there's only a tiny few that are camped to the degree you're talking about
why pick those systems bro corp operates out of there....providence. Yong gate is a bloody nightmare
It's easy!
Set your medical clone home station to the corp's HQ. self-destruct pod.
*done
I'm also part of the mass of people who lost their first thrashers by randomly jumping around in lowsec with 150k SP :P https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3633385&#post3633385 - 15% more tank since the 1.1-patch. |
Major Killz
La Fraternite
239
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:14:00 -
[89] - Quote
CCP should REALLY make ALL stargates constellation stargates. Which would make "Gate camps" a lot more difficult but, not impossible. - Killz
Combat Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos - Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013) |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
269
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:17:00 -
[90] - Quote
Major Killz wrote:CCP should REALLY make ALL stargates constellation stargates. Which would make "Gate camps" a lot more difficult but, not impossible.
That would STRONGLY benefit the campers. Adapted tactics mean that, using a remote-sebo'ed rapier/hyena, nothing is going to get through, nor burn back to the gate. It would help supress spontaneous sabre'ing on nullgates, but would imo fiurther aggravate the situation in low. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3633385&#post3633385 - 15% more tank since the 1.1-patch. |
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