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Race Drones
13th Squadron E C L I P S E
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Posted - 2011.10.20 14:29:00 -
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MrPops wrote:This is a privately owned company. We are stuck with the head guys and there is nothing we can do other than to vote with our money. I'm not personally happy that anyone lost their job. Unfortunately, people will suffer real life consequenses when they make mistakes with their virtual world. +1 Unfortunately, people will suffer real life consequenses when they make mistakes with their bussiness.
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Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.20 14:33:00 -
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Jokerface666 wrote:this just shows that eve is really real.
mess up our pixels = emo rage = shoot statue = unsub = wtf = RL consequences
sad but true
This is a really good explanation of what has happened.
The Unsub fest because of Nex and I guess to an extent Incarna, pluss the refocus from WoD to EVE. Add to that the lost income from all the unsubs. What was the proud number? Over 2000?
The area hit hardest was in the US where they where working on WoD.
You got what you whished for, basicly.
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Laura Baretta
Spearhead Ops
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Posted - 2011.10.20 15:14:00 -
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People losing their jobs is never a good thing and i'm sorry for each one of them. But if CCP had continued on this path it would have been run into the ground in a year or two. CCP would most likeley have been bought up by some big publisher, wich then would be able to dictate to REALLY milk EVE to the fullest potential until it's only a shadow of its former self.
So this is a necessary shrink cure. I find it kind of interesting how naive some of you are. You all expected CCP to get back on the right tracks. What exactly is it you expected them to do? This was a complete and necessary business decision, and it's a tough decision for Hilmar too i can imagine.
It takes alot of balls to do a 180-¦ and talk about it. It took John Smedley (SOE) years to apologize for the NGE, and he never corrected his mistakes. Instead SOE tends to put games on life support and let them vegetate with a minimal dev crew to keep them running.
Thats probably what would have happened to EVE if this cut hadn't been done.
People make mistakes and **** happens. If a super market employee fucks up he might drop some tomatoes on the ground. If a corp CEO fucks up, people can lose their jobs.
This project for CCP MIGHThave worked and no one would have complained. It didn't, so the mistake has to be rectified. If Hilmar gets it right this time, he will have been the right man for the right decision at the right time. If he fails again, it might be the end of CCP and the EVE as we know it today.
I say let the man do his job. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes right now. Everyone deserves a second chance.
Lets just be happy that EvE is gonna get the development power it deserves again. Faster fixes, more new content for all of us.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
90
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Posted - 2011.10.20 15:16:00 -
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Laura Baretta wrote: REALLY milk EVE to the fullest potential until it's only a shadow of its former self.
You mean like the NEX store? |

Avon
Versatech Co. Raiden.
80
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Posted - 2011.10.20 15:18:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:
Telling them what product we want to buy is not abusing them.
Its how business works mate.
They are supposed to meet the demand. Not tell us what they want to sell us and we have to like it.
Apple have made a fortune from telling people what they want to sell and expecting people to like it, and they never lost their Jobs.. oh, wait, they did.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.10.20 15:35:00 -
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Avon wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Telling them what product we want to buy is not abusing them.
Its how business works mate.
They are supposed to meet the demand. Not tell us what they want to sell us and we have to like it.
Apple have made a fortune from telling people what they want to sell and expecting people to like it, and they never lost their Jobs.. oh, wait, they did. 
Apple is not CCP
The apple fan base is not the CCP fan base. THANK GOD FOR THAT.
Comparing Apple to Internet Spaceships. |

Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 15:49:00 -
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CEO was bored and wanted more projects. |

Avon
Versatech Co. Raiden.
80
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Posted - 2011.10.20 16:06:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Avon wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Telling them what product we want to buy is not abusing them.
Its how business works mate.
They are supposed to meet the demand. Not tell us what they want to sell us and we have to like it.
Apple have made a fortune from telling people what they want to sell and expecting people to like it, and they never lost their Jobs.. oh, wait, they did.  Apple is not CCP The apple fan base is not the CCP fan base. THANK GOD FOR THAT. Comparing Apple to Internet Spaceships.
Anyone with a sense of humor may have realised that it was actually a "Steve Jobs is dead joke", thinly disguised as an Apple / CCP comparison. |

supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
9
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Posted - 2011.10.20 16:14:00 -
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Some one help me with the math...
120 people out of 600 no more jobz
OR
600 out of 600 no more jobz.
So... the 120 is not better?
CCP screwed up... decided to be spread too thin, either cut back or lose the company. They cut back.
120 is nothing let me know when ccp cuts 10,000 like some other places. |

BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
1
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Posted - 2011.10.20 16:50:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:You know you don't congratulate people when about 120 people lost there jobs.[/url]
It is sad that 120 people had to loose their jobs due to the failing of leadership at CCP. But then again, if CCP had not made that mistake, 120 people would have never had the opportunity to work for them.
HOWEVER AT LEAST, the CCP leadership did was we wish ALL of our world and financial leaders would do these days; which is to recognize majority displeasure, realize the mistake as their own, take ownership of it and then execute the right steps in correct it. Maybe they have not become too Amaricanized after all.
As long as they don't take bonuses this year, they will show what good leadership is all about. |
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
227
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:13:00 -
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Avon wrote:Anyone with a sense of humor may have realised that it was actually a "Steve Jobs is dead joke", thinly disguised as an Apple / CCP comparison. Yes, well anybody with a sense of humor knew it wasn't funny. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
65
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:40:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:Simetraz wrote:
Actually it is about the attitude of the community on this forum. People are happy about others losing there jobs. Sorry but that is pathetic, and sad and you all talk about losing respect for CCP well after some of the posts I have seen today. It is the community doesn't deserve a thread of respect.
And this is new on this community how? If you really played EVE you should know what to expect out of this place, being shocked at the callousness, trollage, flaming and other shenanigans that are rampant here since DAY 1 you should take it as "usual business". Does that make it more or less wrong? Not the point, if we , or at least I wanted a moral busybody on a forum I would go post on another kind of forums more appropriate to such endeavors. Your shocked answer only reveals naivete and to be honest, I find it insulting. OP was just glad that the masses spoke with the only pitchfork at their disposal, WALLETS. I am proud to have been one of the many voices during the protest and to have spread dissent across all kinds of media at my disposal. A campaing I carried to extreme extents and for which I am proud, for many reasons not worth posting here. People lost Jobs, yes, evil and sad, but you should be appaled is at how these lost Job could have been kept if CCP itself decided to have taken a more IN TOUCH path with their game. Community Reps that got sacked are the direct result of the upper managements FAILURES. No one here is happy to have seen them go. I for one will miss them a lot, yet you pretending to keep or impose a "only you can perceive" sense of propriety here is so misguided to be honest I'm appalled by you. But all in all, this is eve, HTFU.
A refocus needed to happen, and yes some peoples jobs would inevitably be put at risk because of this.
But as someone who has been here since well before day 1, let me tell you something...
The issues that arose with Incarna, while very real and in need of serious attention, were in no way, shape, or form more serious than a number of other issues that have arisen throughout the history of EVE development (blatant Dev cheating, favoritism, boot.ini, allegation of purposely overlooking moo goo bugs for years, and far more). Absolutely nothing happened that justified the **** storm that arose post Incarna.
The difference was that this time there was a concerted effort by our local troll community to whip the sheep into a frenzy about it. Via a number of methods not restricted to these forums, our ever swelling and more skillful community maggots were able to whip a relatively significant percentage of the EVE community into a mindless fury.
Even when these people would blatantly post (in the very same thread) that all they were doing is trolling both sides for maximum effect, idiots happily sucked it up and propogated it... cheerfully joining into things like "quoting the question in bold yellow text" and other such nonsense. You will also note that many of these people made a triumphant return the moment Manifests Dev blog was released... giddy with their success and their place in the spotlight again.
They successfully turned "issues that need to be explained or addressed ASAP" into mass protests and mass subscription loss. A reaction that, if you look back at the issues calmly, was TOTALLY out of proportion with the issues at hand.
So yeah, mistakes were made and serious issues needed to be fixed. No doubt about it.
But if you are proud of being so very openly manipulated into causing serious damage to a game that you obviously love and the team creating it, don't be surprised when the even the bitter vet crowd rolls it's eyes at you and calls you naive.
For someone that claims to be comfortable with the mature and cut throat nature of the EVE community and to HTFU, you sure have a lot to learn about it. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |

Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:45:00 -
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If you need to refocus because your staff is spread out thin over many areas, you move staff to the areas that need focus and not just fire them, staying spread as thin as before.
It makes no sense in regard to refocussing, it only makes sense when you're running out of funds. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
91
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:51:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote: Rambling crazy talk.
More like Incarna was the final straw that broke the camels back after years of Customers holding their tongues and waiting patiently for CCP to improve and make it better.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.20 18:04:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: Rambling crazy talk. More like Incarna was the final straw that broke the camels back after years of Customers holding their tongues and waiting patiently for CCP to improve and make it better.
Because the game was unplayable for weeks due to repeated crashes again.
Oh wait, it wasn't.
Because the introduction of the NeX store for vanity items was radically more detrimental to the game than the introduction of PLEX.
Oh wait, it wasn't.
The list goes on and on.
While there were serious issues with Incarna's release, no denying it, those issue pale in comparison to past issues when looked at objectively and calmly.
That's the problem, mobs don't tend to do that. Mobs are easily led by those with malicious intent who are willing to chant "we won't take it any more" long enough and loud enough (even when they laugh and tell you to your face that this is manipulating you is EXACTLY what they are doing).
Go look carefully at some of the major threads generated at that time. If you are very, very patient you'll find exactly what I am referring to. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |

Kengutsi Akira
65
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Posted - 2011.10.20 18:06:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
The difference was that this time there was a concerted effort by [Goonies and CSM] to whip the sheep into a frenzy about it. Via a number of methods not restricted to these forums, our ever swelling and more skillful community maggots were able to whip a relatively significant percentage of the EVE community into a mindless fury.
Fixt What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
91
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Posted - 2011.10.20 18:19:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: Rambling crazy talk. More like Incarna was the final straw that broke the camels back after years of Customers holding their tongues and waiting patiently for CCP to improve and make it better. Because the game was unplayable for weeks due to repeated crashes again. Oh wait, it wasn't. Because the introduction of the NeX store for vanity items was radically more detrimental to the game than the introduction of PLEX. Oh wait, it wasn't. The list goes on and on. While there were serious issues with Incarna's release, no denying it, those issue pale in comparison to past issues when looked at objectively and calmly. That's the problem, mobs don't tend to do that. Mobs are easily led by those with malicious intent who are willing to chant "we won't take it any more" long enough and loud enough (even when they laugh and tell you to your face that manipulating you is EXACTLY what they are doing). Go look carefully at some of the major threads generated at that time. If you are very, very patient you'll find exactly what I am referring to.
It burned out peoples cards dude. Thats pretty unplayable.
It made it so people could not use multiple clients, breaking one of the fundamental play styles of eve. That made it unplayable to a lot of people who run lots of alts. You know CCPs revenue comes from people willing to dump money in the game. Some even have 5 or more accounts.
Making people who have lower end hardware unable to play the game. There are lots of people out there that just cant afford to Upgrade right now. But can spend 15 or farm for plex to keep playing. Now they cant, more lost revenue.
NEX store was a slap in the face to NOT Putting MT into the game. It was a slap in the face of the sandbox to make a system that exists outside player control/influence/manufacture. Then it was a crime of stupidity to charge 3-4 or more plex for the limited selection of goods they offered in the store. I had thought one plex would have gotten me lots of random cheap goods or several outfits sets as per MOST OTHER SANE MT STORES I had as examples.
The list does indeed go on, to snide 1000 pants on head ****** dev posts, to Leaked emails showing they think their players are idiots and a newsletter that shows they were kicking around the concept of GOLDEN AMMO. The email shows that it was not just talk when you read that Fearless in hilmars own words WAS THE PLAN.
Please take your head out of whatever dark place you have it for your own benefit.
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.20 18:23:00 -
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