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Cranewhite Lighting	Posted - 2005.10.19 01:51:00 - [61] Lets get back on the topic for a second, so what if someone spend $1500 on something that have the value of exactly of 0 in real life? Personally I would laugh and call him an idiot. Remember that the ISK being sold had to come from in game somewhere, and there's not an unlimited supply of 30M sp chars. These things change ownership but does not really impact the game. In fact I'd feel better to have a 30M sp char in the hand of someone who don't know that he's doing then one who does. and you can get back to all that legal stuff now. :)
LegendHawk	Posted - 2005.10.19 01:52:00 - [62] CAME DOWN Its ok, we see this from every single MMO out there, But, the fact is that this kind of price already limits 99% of the people out there from buying them. 1% of these kind of people wouldn't hurt anyway, ITS when 100 mil isk sales for 5 buck, thats when the problems starts!
F'nog	Posted - 2005.10.19 01:55:00 - [63] Originally by: Bloodspire Edited by: Bloodspire on 19/10/2005 00:21:16 We all know that the system does not work that is why this thread was started! My plea was to the honest people in Eve to help get rid of the "bad seed" Not to talk about where the system failed...It has fallen and we are here to pick it up! EULA is a contract that we all agree upon once we enter the world of Eve... And no matter what all you say...It is against the law to sell your in-game items,isk,characters for Real Money! EULA=Law EULA Contract= law binding You break the law= you get prosecuted Prosecuted= you get convicted Convicted= you go to jail Jail= you get a criminal record for virtual crimes But CCP does not prosecute they only ban accounts and people... Why you ask! Because it costs too much too prosecute someone! Edit because of post above....I never said you could get arressted! only that you could be prosecuted! It is indeed only a Civil Court Case! Complete and total bollux (did I spell that correctly?). As you yourself state, it's a CIVIL matter. You cannot go to jail over a civil trial in any country that I know of. If you walk into a police station anywhere and say, "I broke this contract, arrest me," you will be laughed out of the station. So, in point of fact: EULA = contract Contract = contractual obligation between two or more parties You break the contract = other party terminates its relationship with you and possibly sues for losses/damages Prosecuted = you may get convicted You get convicted = you pay the amount the court deems worthy or make some other monetary recompense. At no point will you ever see a jail cell unless you commit perjury or contempt of court during the course of the trial. Both of these are separate crimes independent of the original contract. And, again, you yourself admit that this is a civil matter, not a criminal one. Sig modified due to xenophobic comments -Iacon
TK Loney	Posted - 2005.10.19 01:56:00 - [64] Get a life!! So X billion isk changes hands.... So some T2 widgets can now be made by someone else... So some noob gets a spiffy account with all the toys.... I am not for ebay either, but chill out! You must have been a lot of fun in the elementary school yard!
Astasia Orian	Posted - 2005.10.19 02:03:00 - [65] Derisor, the other 0.0 whine guy, now this, where do we get these crazy people? Make your point (without obnoxious overuse of smilees), perhaps engage in a short rebuttal and move along.
Professor McFly	Posted - 2005.10.19 02:05:00 - [66] Ironically, by discussing it the original poster is only encouraging it Where do all these stupid people come from?
Joe	Posted - 2005.10.19 02:08:00 - [67] Originally by: Bloodspire This of course is destroying the Eve Online Economy Wow. Really? how? Does it generate or duplicate isk ingame? does it lower the value of trit somehow? For your post to have any merit at all you need to explain how these 'Economy Terrorists' are torrorising th economy. Originally by: ebil genius On a sidenote... Paypal transactions can be cancelled upto 30 days after a purchase is made, and ebay + Paypal dont cover 'electronic items' (virtual cash/characters/items). Feel free to purchase as much as you can, then cancell the paypal transaction once item transfers are complete, worse comes to worse, your alt ebay account will get some negative rating feedback. oh did i mention i don't like ebay? (they won't let me buy and import thermal imagers)
DEVILSENIGMA	Posted - 2005.10.19 02:20:00 - [68] Originally by: Bloodspire Did you know that you can buy 1 Billion isk for 264 dollars today? Did you know that you can buy a 20 mill character for 1500 dollars today? Did you know that you can buy BPO¦s from 1000 dollars to 5000 dollars today? Hey bloodspire you forgot to put a instead of the ? in the above part of your first post PS: What Maya Rkell said is true. You dont get arrested and put in jail for breaking the EULA. You get sued. And I asked a lawyer too. My Eve Blog!
Brian Burton	Posted - 2005.10.19 02:25:00 - [69] Edited by: Brian Burton on 19/10/2005 02:29:27 Bloodspire: there is a HUGE difference between discussing a topic and raving about it like a lunatic..you crossed that line awhile back, if you wish for people to take you seriously, then A: Don't flame/troll your own post b: Try to act more mature...the constant and unnecessary use of smilies is proof enough that you have a hard time doing so. Now on to the topic at hand: Ebay selling/buying of characters,items,ect. has been going on for as long as i have played MMO's. Do i think it's a problem: for the most part yes i do, i find it annoying that a person can simply buy their way into a game without any work on their part whatsoever to create a character and deal with the hardships and rewards that come with it. But i also know that these "Paper Doll Gamers" as i like to call them, never really stay with one game too long, usually going to what they believe to be greener pasturers, in the end all they do is spend more RL money than i did for the same thing i was able to get with dilligence and hard work, and i'm satisfied knowing that. However Bloodspire if you think that nothing is being done to try and stop Ebayer's on EVE then your mistaken, it may not be going as fast as you want it to go....but that's something your going to have to get over. With all your chest pounding on your soapbox you could be doing something to stop it yourself...but no, you scream and shout and rant about things in which you have no clue and expect other people to see things your way.
Bloodspire	Posted - 2005.10.19 02:30:00 - [70] I have been called so many names just for this posting that the profanity filter would simply give up if I posted them all... What is a matter with most of you? This was not meant to be a flaming contest? Meet me at the Fanfest and I¦ll flame you but this is a thread about illegal isk,character and item sales... No matter how much it costs to buy it, it is still illegal! Most of your opinions make me sick! They show no respect for the law what so ever! They show no respect to me as you keep calling me all the names you can find(then I am also talking about the Eve-mails and e-mails I have been getting) There is something seriously wrong with your morals! In my opinion most of the ones flaming this thread have once or twice in they¦re life time bought or sold isk,items or characters on an auction website...Why else would someone try to make it sound like a harmless thing? There is no more to say! I have lost faith in the morals of most people! I¦ll be the first one to congratulate the nOOb that shoots you down with his newly aquired 30 mill Sp character and 10 Billion isk to buy even more Apocs and keep on shooting you until you feel the need to post a thread and say "there is a 30 mill Sp nOOb ganking me, CCP please help me" To all a good night And hopefully some higher being will bring Apocalypse upon us all...for the people of the world don¦t understand the difference between right and wrong even after all these millions of years in Evilution Bloodspire

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Khatred	Posted - 2005.10.19 02:37:00 - [72] Originally by: Bloodspire And hopefully some higher being will bring Apocalypse upon us all...for the people of the world don¦t understand the difference between right and wrong even after all these millions of years in Evilution Bloodspire Lol, because people buy and sell isk on Ebay, the apocalypse will come? Are you out or on your way to a mental facility? ________________________________________________ The narrow minded and selfish people posting on EO forums made me bitter
Joe	Posted - 2005.10.19 02:39:00 - [73] Originally by: Joe Originally by: Bloodspire This of course is destroying the Eve Online Economy Wow. Really? how? Does it generate or duplicate isk ingame? does it lower the value of trit somehow? For your post to have any merit at all you need to explain how these 'Economy Terrorists' are torrorising th economy. You Still haven't explained this, without explanation, your post simply looks like a whine, add your reasons to why its economic terrorism, and maybe people will take you more seriously. Originally by: ebil genius On a sidenote... Paypal transactions can be cancelled upto 30 days after a purchase is made, and ebay + Paypal dont cover 'electronic items' (virtual cash/characters/items). Feel free to purchase as much as you can, then cancell the paypal transaction once item transfers are complete, worse comes to worse, your alt ebay account will get some negative rating feedback. oh did i mention i don't like ebay? (they won't let me buy and import thermal imagers) The only way to discourage Ebay sellers is to make it to much of a risk for them to sell in the first place.
Bloodspire	Posted - 2005.10.19 02:43:00 - [74] Originally by: Brian Burton With all your chest pounding on your soapbox you could be doing something to stop it yourself...but no, you scream and shout and rant about things in which you have no clue and expect other people to see things your way. So you think I am doing nothing to stop it? What do you think I am trying to do? This is just the first step! I am sick of you people trying to undermine others! Do this, do that...don¦t say that, say this... Do you really think you can use people as puppets? Puppet show where you talk for the puppet! And why do you judge one mans maturity by the smileys he uses? Maturity has nothing to do with smileys or choice of words! It¦s my right to voice my thoughts! You know that when you are right people start attacking you with sentences and words like: Maturity and that they admit that the laws are meant to be broken/bended...Just because it is a game, it does not mean gamers don¦t have to abide by the laws....

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