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Bloodspire
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Posted - 2005.10.18 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodspire on 18/10/2005 23:08:12
Ever since I started playing Eve I have been very curious about the many aspects of Eve so one day in my 3rd month of playing I look up Eve in google and I get alot of Ebay related links. Of course I check what ebay has to do with Eve and there to my amazement I see isk for sale, characters for sale, items for sale. This really made me fill sick inside.
Did you know that you can buy 1 Billion isk for 264 dollars today?
Did you know that you can buy a 20 mill character for 1500 dollars today?
Did you know that you can buy BPOŠs from 1000 dollars to 5000 dollars today?
This of course is destroying the Eve Online Economy
We have of course seen the banning of isk sellers and macro users, but there are still huge sales being made everyday
Example:
I contacted GnomeItems last night and asked them if they would sell me 5 Billion isk for 1500 dollars and they said...Will next Saturday be ok
Using exploits is against CCP regulations
I concider it to be an exploit to have an un-fair advantage on other Eve players because of Ebay bought Characters, items and isk
Selling virtual items outside of the Eve community for Real Money is against the EULA and therefor it is punishable with banning and/or legal prosecution
My plea is this:
All of you honest Eve players out there, help CCP get rid of these sellers once and for all.
If you know your friend is selling isk, tell him to stop it for his own good
If you are leaving Eve and want to sell your character donŠt do it for the sake of the rest of us in Eve
Do not sell your in-game currency, items or characters to illegal businesses on ebay or any other MMORPG selling businesses
Would you like it if a 7 day old player would get a 30 million Sp character with 6 Billion isk and a Navy Apocalypse fitted with T2 Large Lasers,T2 Drones, T2 Fittings and Missiles and meet you in your Frigate alone in space with no way to go and he decides to scramble you and shoot you because he dreams of being a big bad pirate?
Even though he will get blown up eventually because letŠs face it, nOObŠs canŠt really fly Apocalypse BattleShips...But you get my point
So DO what you can do to safe the Eve Community from these thiefs/scammers/law breakers/economy terrorists
Your Fellow Eve Player
Bloodspire
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Josiah Bartlet
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Posted - 2005.10.18 22:38:00 -
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2005.10.18 22:39:00 -
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Im thinking its pretty funny i could technically be destroying someones RL money, bring on the rich nubs tbh
but in all seriousness its wrong :)
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spRAYed
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Posted - 2005.10.18 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: spRAYed on 18/10/2005 22:42:49
EDIT: WTS 30 bill isk 
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Solar Sailor
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Posted - 2005.10.18 22:41:00 -
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Its an epidemic that affect most MMOG's. And Ebay won't do crap about it as long as they get their cut.
Dunno if Ebay could be sued over it, but even then it wouldn't stop.
I would like to see an honest way to trade off a character though, maybe swap it for one in another game or whatever.
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oDDiTy V2
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Posted - 2005.10.18 22:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Bloodspire
Would you like it if a 7 day old player would get a 30 million Sp character with 6 Billion isk and a Navy Apocalypse fitted with T2 Large Lasers,T2 Drones, T2 Fittings and Missiles and meet you in your Frigate alone in space with no way to go and he decides to scramble you and shoot you because he dreams of being a big bad pirate
Yeah, I wouldn't mind that actually. Becuase, chances are, that 7 day old player won't know wtf he's doing. Wouldnt mind getting a navy apoc kill in my harpy. ;)
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.10.18 22:46:00 -
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buying advantages 4tl
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.10.18 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Solar Sailor
Its an epidemic that affect most MMOG's. And Ebay won't do crap about it as long as they get their cut.
Dunno if Ebay could be sued over it, but even then it wouldn't stop.
I would like to see an honest way to trade off a character though, maybe swap it for one in another game or whatever.
Fraid ebay cant be sued, its not breaking the EULA, and it doesnt actually allow the sale of electronic goods. (transactions i.e. buying something you cant post)
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St Dragon
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Posted - 2005.10.18 22:51:00 -
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True its common problem in mmo's and a bit unfare exept that in eve we can kill them and destroy a $300 faction raven brought off ebay 
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Hot Karl
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Posted - 2005.10.18 22:54:00 -
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You know something? I'm getting really, really tired of this whole "Everyone's some kind of terrorist" mentality.
Terrorism is something very specific, and some dude sitting in his underwear in his mother's basement playing a video game and making RL money off of it...isn't it.
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.10.18 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: St Dragon
True its common problem in mmo's and a bit unfare exept that in eve we can kill them and destroy a $300 faction raven brought off ebay
Spot on, so easy to spot them that are cheating, when there faction BS goes pop and you get mail in local proclaiming you have ruined their life and they are now going to hang themselves 
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Bloodspire
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Posted - 2005.10.18 22:59:00 -
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So far some have agreed but some do not understand how serious this is
No matter if you can kill him easily it is a un-fair kill no matter what you do
There is nothing that can justify breaking the law
And yes it is true, you can not sue Ebay for they are only an auction website and they have no say in what is auctioned off unless it breaks the laws towards minors and such filth
Un-fair advantage in-game due to virtually bought items is against The EULA
So if you are a buyer you should be banned and/or prosecuted
So if you are a seller you should be banned and prosecuted
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Alexis Ayala
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:00:00 -
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I agree with Karl, please remove the Terrorism title if you will...
I think buying money is cheap, and silly, and yes, it is illegal, but it's not Terrorism, please remove the reference.
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John Logan
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: John Logan on 18/10/2005 23:05:00
Yes, this problem has been around since the early days of UO and affects every MMO and is against most if not all EULA's. I think a lot of people tolerate the fact that it's going on and i am suprised you were amazed when viewing the auctions on Ebay. I am against it, don't get me wrong.
There's not much you can do as most people will not reveal their identity until after a sale. ISK transfers can be monitored in game but outside of the game there isn't any way to combat it swiftly and effectively. You could have Ebay trawl through all the auctions and close down all the sales of in-game currencies etc it can but that would probably require more manpower, something they would unlikely be willing to do.
And a 7 day old wouldnt show as a 7 day old with 30m sp, buying such an advanced account would be a waste as they would probably lose a lot of the assets through carelessness and lack of knowledge, but maybe someone wants to buy the character as an alt. And you can transfer characters between accounts using the EVE character transfer, but i believe you are not allowed to transfer ownership of the account. Selling the character before transfer aswell where you are not actually selling an account i believe is still also against the EULA, though somewhere to advertise/swap characters would possibly be a good alternative.
As for Ebay being sued, they probably have it in their EULA that they cannot accept responsibility for any infringements on copyright etc and that that falls on the sellers shoulders, making them liable.
There have been cases of economic collapse within an MMO, but that was more to do with an in-game exploit which allowed you to create currency rather than just selling it off. And that's when the dev's step in and help drain money out the system till the economy settles again, but not going to happen in EVE.
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Alexis Ayala
I agree with Karl, please remove the Terrorism title if you will...
I think buying money is cheap, and silly, and yes, it is illegal, but it's not Terrorism, please remove the reference.
good point, our boys and our families are dying due to terrorism, gaining unfair advantage in a virtual world is technically effecting no-one, change the title.
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Bloodspire
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodspire on 18/10/2005 23:28:00
Edited by: Bloodspire on 18/10/2005 23:08:54
Originally by: Hot Karl
You know something? I'm getting really, really tired of this whole "Everyone's some kind of terrorist" mentality.
Terrorism is something very specific, and some dude sitting in his underwear in his mother's basement playing a video game and making RL money off of it...isn't it.
It was stated: Economical Terrorist
It has been changed
Terrorist is someone who destroys peoples assets, ruins the economy and so forth...
We are not talking about the *snip*(weiners) in Alqaida or how ever you spell it
We are talking about Virtual Terrorists that are ruining the pleasure of Eve Online
And to clarify it: No pirates in-game are not terrorists thought some of them are just sniping gankers and canŠt do a decent 1 Vs 1 fight
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Sarah Ponytails
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sarah Ponytails on 18/10/2005 23:08:38
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:10:00 -
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dude you need help, you do realise its a game, dont you??
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Bloodspire
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodspire on 18/10/2005 23:14:24
Originally by: Sarah Ponytails
Edited by: Sarah Ponytails on 18/10/2005 23:08:38
freak
Yea could a moderator please remind this person about personal attacks
and by the notion...please check if he is a isk seller...they usually get [p]issed off by these types of threads
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:12:00 -
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christ, less of the your hurting my eyes
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Bloodspire
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Aradon
dude you need help, you do realise its a game, dont you??
What is with the personal attacks
Did I pod you in-game or something
It is a game yes, did you really need an answer to that question
I like having fun in an un-tainted world where we all have the same odds of survival
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Yith Solarius
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Bloodspire
It was stated: Economical Terrorist
It has been changed
Terrorist is someone who destroys peoples assets, ruins the economy and so forth...
We are not talking about the [f]uckers in Alqaida or how ever you spell it
We are talking about Virtual Terrorists that are ruining the pleasure of Eve Online
And to clarify it: No pirates in-game are not terrorists thought some of them are just sniping gankers and canŠt do a decent 1 Vs 1 fight
1) Wrong terrorism is the act of causing terror, through bloodshead, and destruction, the act of selling something illigal over the internet is fraud, still illigal but very different.
2) don't attempt to bypass the profanity filters, it'll only get your thread locked then no one will see your point of veiw
3) wtf have pirates sniping at gates got to do with this?
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Element Rachel
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:15:00 -
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Russia Soviet in.
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Aradon on 18/10/2005 23:17:07
noooo your campaigning as tho lives depend on the stability of a virtual economy, pop a chill pill, kick back, relax and smell the sweet aroma 
Originally by: Yith Solarius
3) wtf have pirates sniping at gates got to do with this?
thats it, he just got pwnd!!! and ill bet he bought his shiny ride off ebay with the rent money and now he has to go live with his ma and so thought hed spread his pain with us
*group hug*
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Bloodspire
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Yith Solarius
1) Wrong terrorism is the act of causing terror, through bloodshead, and destruction, the act of selling something illigal over the internet is fraud, still illigal but very different.
2) don't attempt to bypass the profanity filters, it'll only get your thread locked then no one will see your point of veiw
3) wtf have pirates sniping at gates got to do with this?
Can you please see the whole picture
I used the term Terrorist because it has all these features yours and mine in the name
There is no right or wrong way to descripe terrorism
Though using the word terrorism was maybe over the top
It has been changed so get over it
Stay on the subject at hand, isk,character and items being sold on auction websites
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Sarah Ponytails
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Sarah Ponytails on 18/10/2005 23:20:38
Originally by: Bloodspire
Edited by: Bloodspire on 18/10/2005 23:14:24
Originally by: Sarah Ponytails
Edited by: Sarah Ponytails on 18/10/2005 23:08:38
freak
Yea could a moderator please remind this person about personal attacks
and by the notion...please check if he is a isk seller...they usually get [p]issed off by these types of threads
Could a moderator please remind this person about using profanity.
I think you'll find most people are getting a little annoyed, but not by the thread, more-so your way of laying out a sentance.
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Ilea Celentay
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:22:00 -
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First point, even before I read what you have put... Posting asbout Ebay doesnt stop the problem, as a Mod once said, it really make it worse - as those that just join think they can get away with it, while before you 'ad' thread, would not have thought about it... Does that make sence.... my head hurts 
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Bloodspire
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Aradon
Edited by: Lord Aradon on 18/10/2005 23:17:07
thats it, he just got pwnd!!! and ill bet he bought his shiny ride off ebay with the rent money and now he has to go live with his ma and so thought hed spread his pain with us
*group hug*
Are you refferring to me
If so grow up this is a serious discussion
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Bloodspire
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:26:00 -
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Ohh yes also stop complaining about the
Just get a better monitor or tweak your screen settings alittle...
I use an 19" Acer Gaming Enhanced Edition Monitor works great for my eyes 
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.10.18 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Bloodspire
Edited by: Bloodspire on 18/10/2005 23:14:24
Originally by: Sarah Ponytails
Edited by: Sarah Ponytails on 18/10/2005 23:08:38
freak
Yea could a moderator please remind this person about personal attacks
and by the notion...please check if he is a isk seller...they usually get [p]issed off by these types of threads
Could a moderator please remind this person about bypassing the profanity filter.
And stop using so many stupid smilies.
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