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Nice Nicholas
Disconnected.
Choke Point
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:44:00 -
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I have an idea it might not be a good idea but could create a new role and help clean up space of old POS that have been left un-fueled for a long time.
I have come across a lot POS that have not been fueled and know a couple that have been abandoned for over a year.
So why not make a system to take these over / steal them.
So how might this work:
If a POS has not been fueled for 15 days, then it becomes GÇ£at riskGÇ¥.
To take over a POS you will need to hack the on board computers, so using the new Hacking system you could hack the POS:
Small has 1 hack needed
Medium has 2 hacks needed
Large has 3 hacks needed
Once hacked you will have the options to:
Take over and refuel
Take down to be used as you want
Steal anything in it or in ship hangers etc
This would mean if you find a POS say in a WH long abandoned a smaller corp could move in without too much logistics. This could encourage more corps into WH, Low and Null space. But normal standings rules will apply in High Sec.
Well please comment and put your ideas up but this could be a fun a useful addition, and should not take CCP not to much coding as most of the elements are already in game.
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WolfSchwarzMond
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:56:00 -
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You have a way to take over any offline POS. It's called a Weapon. |
monkfish2345
D'reg
The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.22 10:20:00 -
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personally i'd far prefer it just gets destroyed and you go spend you hard earnt isk on a new POS.
keep the economy running an all |
Nice Nicholas
Disconnected.
Choke Point
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:24:00 -
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I agree with Gun if it is up a running, and that approach is fine, but for abandoned POS's this could fit in well with the new Hacking process, and POS bashing can be such a pain for an abandoned POS |
Rayzilla Zaraki
Tandokuno
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Posted - 2013.05.22 11:56:00 -
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monkfish2345 wrote:personally i'd far prefer it just gets destroyed and you go spend you hard earnt isk on a new POS.
keep the economy running an all
The economy would keep going with this idea. It might even increase.
First, the player could either take over or dismantle and sell the POS. If he sells the POS, that not only makes the sale, but frees up a moon for another POS.
If there is loot left in the POS, that could be sold on the market.
If nothing blew up, no one would buy your stuff. |
Nice Nicholas
Disconnected.
Choke Point
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Posted - 2013.05.22 19:40:00 -
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Rayzilla Zaraki wrote:monkfish2345 wrote:personally i'd far prefer it just gets destroyed and you go spend you hard earnt isk on a new POS.
keep the economy running an all The economy would keep going with this idea. It might even increase. First, the player could either take over or dismantle and sell the POS. If he sells the POS, that not only makes the sale, but frees up a moon for another POS. If there is loot left in the POS, that could be sold on the market.
That was how I looked at it and would mean that some people might make this a new way to make isk and get lost isk back into the system |
Rayzilla Zaraki
Tandokuno
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Posted - 2013.05.22 19:50:00 -
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That was how I looked at it and would mean that some people might make this a new way to make isk and get lost isk back into the system[/quote]
Yep, more about making moons available than finding free POSs. Those buggers are all over the place!
If nothing blew up, no one would buy your stuff. |
Roime
Ten Thousand Years
Shinjiketo
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:07:00 -
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This idea is far from new or original, but it's good, and CCP is interested in applying the new hacking mechanics into areas outside PVE sites.
Fingers crossed for this one making it :)
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
TomyLobo
U2EZ
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Posted - 2013.05.22 20:18:00 -
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I've been thinking about this for the past few days. It's really wierd when you find 5 POS in one system and they are all offline just sitting there. There should be a way of making people pay for leaving their stuff offline without bashing it. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
3416
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:01:00 -
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Updating "write down all the things" to point to this thread instead of the current "little things" post.
Personally, I'd like to see POSes be capturable/conquerable/hackable. Add more content for the "farms and fields" approach to populating non-hisec.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:16:00 -
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WolfSchwarzMond wrote:You have a way to take over any offline POS. It's called a Weapon.
Weapons are ineffective against offline POSes in highsec owned by disbanded corps. You cannot wardec non-existent corp. |
Ania Tsaluan
501st Imperial Legion
Unknown Destination
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:26:00 -
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I think this idea is great. Anyone have any idea how many random abandoned POS are out in WH space? It seems like every other WH I scan down has an abandoned POS or two. I think with the hangars and whatnot that they should need to be hacked individually, but have them be easier than the POS itself. |
Nice Nicholas
Disconnected.
Choke Point
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Posted - 2013.05.24 09:51:00 -
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Thanks for the input, I hope someone from CCP has a look or might even comment please keep pressing like if you like this idea. and its a good point that you can't take down a POS in high sec unless you war dec the corp and if the corp has shut then it's there till someone from CCP takes it down.
Yours
Nice |
Labia Nabali
D0W 3O
GORILLAHS IN THE MIST
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Posted - 2013.05.24 17:35:00 -
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Maybe give the user a suspect tag for activating the hacking module on the POS. It would only matter at all in High sec |
Nice Nicholas
Disconnected.
Choke Point
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:18:00 -
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Hi
Well I have not given this a bump for a week or so, any other ideas on how this might work
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Tribal Band
536
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:22:00 -
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I'd like to see hacking an online POS be possible, but I think that abandoned equipment should eventually unanchor itself without being removed from space. Then someone can come along and steal it.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. |
Mark Androcius
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:34:00 -
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+1 and while were at it, how about getting rid of that boatload of containers hanging outside a lot of the starter system's station?
If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
Janna Windforce
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:41:00 -
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Me gusta  |
Chitsa Jason
Infinity Explorers
Exhale.
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:10:00 -
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Would be great usage point for new hacking mini game. It is an old but great idea.
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Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc
Ex Cinere Scriptor
1801
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:58:00 -
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I could see this adding to the game in a good way.
+1
Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata)
Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
supernova ranger
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:28:00 -
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Just no...
This would be a bull in a china shop way to remove anchored poses that are being used in high-sec to "save" spots. Gotta deal with the moon savers first before something like this can be thought out.
It'd be nice though to have a way to take the faction poses in class 3 and below, which have been forgotten in wormholes. Those poses are a royal pain because it is entirely unprofitable to bring them down for reasons other then strategic placement and tactical superiority.
Maybe if "it was under 10% hull" and then "you could hack it..." with a 95% chance it blows up instead of letting you steal from or use it.
Every pos bash would end with poses going to the winner, could make the PI and POS market crash as they are |
Shiera Kuni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:41:00 -
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I support this product and/or service +1  |
Ewersmen
Radiant core construction
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:54:00 -
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Good idea ....there are hundreds and hundreds of po's sitting on moons doing nothing ......F-U-C-K the moon savers st |
Ewersmen
Radiant core construction
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Posted - 2013.06.04 21:03:00 -
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But unfortunately the Icelandic c-u-n-t-s aka ccp do not listen to good ideas ...they make re-t-a-r-d-e-d ones of there own ... |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.04 21:38:00 -
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supernova ranger wrote:Just no...
This would be a bull in a china shop way to remove anchored poses that are being used in high-sec to "save" spots. Gotta deal with the moon savers first before something like this can be thought out.
It'd be nice though to have a way to take the faction poses in class 3 and below, which have been forgotten in wormholes. Those poses are a royal pain because it is entirely unprofitable to bring them down for reasons other then strategic placement and tactical superiority.
Maybe if "it was under 10% hull" and then "you could hack it..." with a 95% chance it blows up instead of letting you steal from or use it.
Every pos bash would end with poses going to the winner, could make the PI and POS market crash as they are
The easiest solution for those "wh placement POS's" is to make the hacking process an aggressive action. In highsec, that means you have to wardec the corp/alliance in order to "hack" the POS (without concord intervention).
Frankly, the biggest issue with "offline" POS's is their ridiculous EHP makes it simply not worth the time to take them down, unless you really, really, really want that spot.
Let people hack it and collect it.... just make it require declaring war for highsec.... Now you have a conflict driver, some risk, and if those "place holders" really want to secure the POS, they simply need to online it during the war!
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3505
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Posted - 2013.06.04 21:42:00 -
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:WolfSchwarzMond wrote:You have a way to take over any offline POS. It's called a Weapon. Weapons are ineffective against offline POSes in highsec owned by disbanded corps. You cannot wardec non-existent corp.
Petitions work fine against those.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Decaff Harkonnen
Radiant core construction
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Posted - 2013.06.06 06:49:00 -
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bump |
Nice Nicholas
Disconnected.
Choke Point
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Posted - 2013.06.06 15:57:00 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:Would be great usage point for new hacking mini game. It is an old but great idea.
Even a like from a member of the csm, I'm not sure about it blowing up if I fail 2 hacks, but still no comments from CCP  |
Nice Nicholas
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Choke Point
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Posted - 2013.06.06 16:00:00 -
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supernova ranger wrote:Just no...
This would be a bull in a china shop way to remove anchored poses that are being used in high-sec to "save" spots. Gotta deal with the moon savers first before something like this can be thought out.
It'd be nice though to have a way to take the faction poses in class 3 and below, which have been forgotten in wormholes. Those poses are a royal pain because it is entirely unprofitable to bring them down for reasons other then strategic placement and tactical superiority.
Maybe if "it was under 10% hull" and then "you could hack it..." with a 95% chance it blows up instead of letting you steal from or use it.
Every pos bash would end with poses going to the winner, could make the PI and POS market crash as they are
No it would not, if you bash a POS down over a couple of days it would blow up as it had fuel, this only for those abandoned POS and those people trying to sit on moons at no cost. Eve is about risk if you want to sit on a moon in a un-fuel POS you should be able to lose it easily. |
Nice Nicholas
Disconnected.
Choke Point
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:11:00 -
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HI
I have put back up for while but up it goes again, I still think this could be a great idea |
Rosie Sollette
Game of Drones
Aurora Irae
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Posted - 2013.10.26 19:52:00 -
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Bump, I think this is a good idea, and personally think it'd help the economy more than harm it. If I could take over the abandoned POSes in my system then they could be put to use for moon mining and the like, and this would happen a lot quicker than bashing it down before being able to use the spot. It'd bring a greater volume of people trying their hand at POS related activities. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2310
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Posted - 2013.10.26 20:36:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:WolfSchwarzMond wrote:You have a way to take over any offline POS. It's called a Weapon. Weapons are ineffective against offline POSes in highsec owned by disbanded corps. You cannot wardec non-existent corp. Petitions work fine against those.
Ruby Porto's Forum Signature wrote:"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
So I guess you don't want your offline POS ruined by someone else with a hacking module?
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
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xSlaughtershy
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.26 23:19:00 -
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Oh look, this thread again.
Seriously, this game is full of mind blowing hassles for players. This is one of them. It will never get changed or fixed, just like a lot of other things in the game. And for a bunch of devs who want to "make players blow things up," this seems to me like it would be a "couple of beers and a long night at the office" fix. Sadly, it won't happen. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2013.10.27 03:29:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Ruby Porto's Forum Signature wrote:"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon So I guess you don't want your offline POS ruined by someone else with a hacking module?
You're free to shoot at my POS any time you care to wardec me. Which, incidentally, opens you (and the rest of your POS bash fleet) up for a day-runining of your own in a way that a hacking module doesn't.
POSes owned by active corps can be removed by a wardec and some shooting.
POSes owned by disbanded corps can be removed by a petition and some waiting.
Name a type of POS that can't be removed under the status quo.
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Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.27 14:12:00 -
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It's an old idea indeed. I made threads about this before.
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Sarah Stallman
International Unification
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Posted - 2013.10.27 15:12:00 -
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Have it so offlined towers use fuel at a greatly reduced rate instead of none, and make it so they fall out of the sky upon running out. Something like 40 blocks a day (instead of per hour) for large towers. That's something like half a PLEX per year to "rent" the moon. |
M1k3y Koontz
Thorn Project
Surely You're Joking
370
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Posted - 2013.10.27 16:41:00 -
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WolfSchwarzMond wrote:You have a way to take over any offline POS. It's called a Weapon.
That's not taking over, that's destroying.
There should be a mechanic that allows players to to unanchor and steal offlined towers (which are EVERYWHERE in WSpace right now)
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
Minor Dirt
State Protectorate
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.27 19:01:00 -
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This is a great idea. The fact that an unfueled (effectively unprotected) POS can't be "boarded" and captured is just silly. What, they've never discovered a cutting torch in New Eden?
I would like to see another use of the hacking game and this seems like a very effective method of broadening the application of that skill to other situations from the "niche" it currently occupies. |
Matthew Charbonneaux
Coalescent Dynamics
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Posted - 2013.10.27 21:20:00 -
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+1 |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force
A T O N E M E N T
359
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Posted - 2013.10.27 22:28:00 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:Would be great usage point for new hacking mini game. It is an old but great idea.
I would definitely like to see hacking implemented in more of the game, as well as salvaging. That being said I would say that the tower would have to be offline for a given amount of time before it could be hacked. It would also send out a mail the the corporation whose tower is being hacked. Causing a hacking "reinforcement timer" of sorts, if the defender wants to keep the tower they would have to counter hack the tower.
That being said, I would also like to make the outright assumption that the OP is too lazy to actually bash a POS themselves and too cheap to buy their own tower.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.10.27 22:39:00 -
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Removed an off topic post. Please keep it on topic and civil. Thank you.
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Karma Codolle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.27 23:58:00 -
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Hacking pos's to remove or take them over has been mentioned before and i'm all for it.
It would make Null sec conquest immensely more enjoyable and provide profit incentive to the invading army.
In real life armies get to reap the benefits of enemy infrastructure, it should be that way in eve as well. Picking up what the enemy has hastily left behind.
Having to fight over a region and then grind the billions of HP of left over structures and playing Space janitor is just terrible game play.
Quick removal of offline structures should be a thing |
Nice Nicholas
Disconnected.
Angeli Mortis
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Posted - 2013.10.31 13:25:00 -
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Well this post seems to have a life of its own and keeps going so, I will keep it up. I agree about invading army's getting the spoils, this would allow this to happen or could do, just like taking over a station in a real type situation if you took one over you would take all the stuff in it. that that would be fun |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Fatal Ascension
574
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Posted - 2013.10.31 13:35:00 -
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There are already means to take over POSs.
1) (low/null) shoot it.
2) (high) wardec, see rule number one.
You just have to un-anchor everything before you try to drop a new tower. Don't be a cheap bear, you can at least buy a tower.
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