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Ciyrine Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.05.23 04:31:00 - [1] - Quote I was talking to some people who said high end players can earn 500m isk/day ratting. Do you guys know how a carrier capable of that would be setup?
Nex apparatu5 Caldari Provisions Caldari State 549	Posted - 2013.05.23 05:41:00 - [2] - Quote 3/10
Ciyrine Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.05.23 05:47:00 - [3] - Quote whats that mean?
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 1886	Posted - 2013.05.23 05:47:00 - [4] - Quote 500mil? not hard, you can make that a day missioning if you really want to. or you can run incursions for 4 hours. or like, 10min of site running in C5-6 WHs.
Destarsee Flamesword Excessum Corporation -Entropy- 3	Posted - 2013.05.23 05:59:00 - [5] - Quote it all depends on where you fly. if you have secure access to sov null. you can do belt rating and site running solo in a DPS fit carrier. or you could hunt sleepers in C3 or above WHs although you cant solo C5s without a risk of dying. and im scarred of doing C6s. once i escaped with only 20% hull left the large thing here is that you can do most of this solo or in small gang with a 1.5 bill fit battlship
Carniflex StarHunt Intrepid Crossing 85	Posted - 2013.05.23 07:42:00 - [6] - Quote Usually with sentry drones. And its not "ratting" as that term is used for shooting stuff in asteroid belts, carriers are used in anomalies, these are the Hubs and Havens and Sanctums you can find using ship built in scanner thingy. As far as 500 m / d goes its doable depending on your playtime. Farming anoms for about 5 hours should do the trick. It's just that its even more mind numbingly boring than missions as there is no variation at all. You just do the same thing over and over and over again which is the most suitable in your region for your setup. isk/ h wise there is no difference really if you are farming them in a pirate battleship / marauder or carrier. If you are still thinking about training carrier go gallente, they are usually considered best carrier for pve. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.
Froggy Storm Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 39	Posted - 2013.05.23 08:05:00 - [7] - Quote 500 a day is kind of a low goal if you want to get right to it. For two worth while T2 BS/BC pilots 100/hr isn't very hard to do in f-hubs. 500 in 23 hr is only a smidge over 21m/hr. And for 8hr it only jumps to 62.5m/hr. Those can be easily reached with "mining alt(s)" or running low/nul sub cap anoms. If you are somewhere that using a carrier is worth while ask your alliance for the cap systems and fits. Otherwise the odds are on you being an alod candidate.
Ziester No Fixed Abode Mildly Intoxicated 2	Posted - 2013.05.23 11:25:00 - [8] - Quote It is possible : Quote: [Thanatos, Thanatos fit] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Capital Armor Repairer I Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Cap Recharger II Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Link Augmentor II Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Bouncer II x14 I've seen similar fits going around in Havens in Nullsec and cleaning them in about 12 minutes. Earning something around 30-35m per tick. That's around 100m/hour. So if you play quite a lot, 500m/day is definately doable. For specifics, with "All L5", 1339 DPS, permarunning Cap Repper, even though it's actually not useful. You activate the repper like once every 5 minutes if the rats even get to scratch your armor. Both Drone control range and Sentry optimal is 104km. Warp to 70km of any given Hub/Haven, launch drones (set on aggressive), go grab a coffee or something.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1113	Posted - 2013.05.23 11:36:00 - [9] - Quote Ziester wrote: Warp to 70km of any given Hub/Haven, launch drones (set on aggressive), go grab a coffee or something. ...get hotdropped and DDed "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
DeadDuck The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 40	Posted - 2013.05.23 12:58:00 - [10] - Quote Ziester wrote: Warp to 70km of any given Hub/Haven, launch drones (set on aggressive), go grab a coffee or something. Now I understand why Carriers keep dying while doing anomalies
Snyderm Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 9	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:20:00 - [11] - Quote Just as a point of comparison: Serpentis Forsaken Hub T2 Fit Naga Average 30 million per bounty tick 3 ticks per hour 500 / 90 = ~5.6 hours playtime to get 500 mil. T2 Fit Dominix Average 28 Million per bounty tick 3 ticks per hour 500 / 84 ~ 6 hours to get 500 mill Performance is a bit less than this in other regions due to Rat Resists. The point being, dont risk getting your corp/alliance pissed at you because you are an idiot ratting with a carrier and you have to call everyone to action because you got tackled. In my opinion better options exist with T2 fit battleships (or even naga in the case of serpentis) I think this is gonna be even more obvious after the next expansion when cruise missles are going to get the ridiculous %30 buff.
Ziester No Fixed Abode Mildly Intoxicated 2	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:21:00 - [12] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: Ziester wrote: Warp to 70km of any given Hub/Haven, launch drones (set on aggressive), go grab a coffee or something. ...get hotdropped and DDed The "go grab a coffee" part was a joke, in case that wasn't obvious... So for those with no sarcasm/irony : Of course, watch an eye on Local / intel channels and get the **** out if anything comes as near as next door from where you rat. And if you don't do that, you're a clueless idiot.
Ziester No Fixed Abode Mildly Intoxicated 2	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:32:00 - [13] - Quote Snyderm wrote: In my opinion better options exist with T2 fit battleships (or even naga in the case of serpentis) I think this is gonna be even more obvious after the next expansion when cruise missles are going to get the ridiculous %30 buff. I'm actually preparing a Cruise Golem for Angel hub/havens On test server with T1M4 launchers and DG i pulled around ~20m/tick in a Haven Once it gets Fury's i should get around 25-30m as well
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 226	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:41:00 - [14] - Quote shield sentry artillery navy domi would probably clear the fastest tbh
Tzar Sinak Mythic Heights 2	Posted - 2013.05.23 17:40:00 - [15] - Quote Just out of curiosity, I was under the impression that the best way to rat with a carrier was to assign fighters to a tank that goes to the sites. The carrier then sits in a safe/POS/Station for quick safe up. Have things changed? Seems crazy to PVE solo in a carrier. Well, unless you have the iskies.
Airto TLA Puppeteers of Doom 41	Posted - 2013.05.23 19:31:00 - [16] - Quote Snyderm wrote: Just as a point of comparison: Serpentis Forsaken Hub T2 Fit Naga Average 30 million per bounty tick 3 ticks per hour 500 / 90 = ~5.6 hours playtime to get 500 mil. T2 Fit Dominix Average 28 Million per bounty tick 3 ticks per hour 500 / 84 ~ 6 hours to get 500 mill Performance is a bit less than this in other regions due to Rat Resists. The point being, dont risk getting your corp/alliance pissed at you because you are an idiot ratting with a carrier and you have to call everyone to action because you got tackled. In my opinion better options exist with T2 fit battleships (or even naga in the case of serpentis) I think this is gonna be even more obvious after the next expansion when cruise missles are going to get the ridiculous %30 buff. Just curious, have not been out in null in awhile, but last time I was out there the ABC were ok (maybe this is asperpentis only thing), but their weak tank was a pain on anomolies, alos don't you have problems on any one that has cruisers and smaller, unless you are leaving those behind, but then sites do not restart? It would seem that 30+ mil is the absolute optimal and any variance could cost you time. The carrier has more DPS and can apply near full amount to its max range, it also can flip to smaller drones to clear the trash. Also have never undertood the obssession over a carrier kill, a faction fit pirate BS is much pricer and no insurance, the BS is more agile obviously.
Meatypopsicle State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.05.23 19:37:00 - [17] - Quote Dual boxing Naga's can make 160-200mill ISK/hour total. That's going to go down after the patch though.
Cage Man 215	Posted - 2013.05.23 19:46:00 - [18] - Quote Ciyrine wrote: I was talking to some people who said high end players can earn 500m isk/day ratting. Do you guys know how a carrier capable of that would be setup? any T2 sentry carrier with 3 drone damage mods in the low, 2x omni's in the mids and 2 x drone links in the high. Put 2 sebo's in the mids to make targeting quicker. I used to use a chimera for this. 13 sentries will apply damage far better than fighters or even a bs flirting about. Its faster that using a mach in angel space as the mach needs to move around, its not affected by TD in amarr space. Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa.......
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1326	Posted - 2013.05.23 20:26:00 - [19] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: Ziester wrote: Warp to 70km of any given Hub/Haven, launch drones (set on aggressive), go grab a coffee or something. ...get hotdropped and DDed I always thought it was funny how low sec'ers/nullies whined about Easy Button missioning/mining in high sec, when you can take carriers into anoms in blue space and shoot away with little risk... "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ziester No Fixed Abode Mildly Intoxicated 3	Posted - 2013.05.23 20:57:00 - [20] - Quote Ginger Barbarella wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: Ziester wrote: Warp to 70km of any given Hub/Haven, launch drones (set on aggressive), go grab a coffee or something. ...get hotdropped and DDed I always thought it was funny how low sec'ers/nullies whined about Easy Button missioning/mining in high sec, when you can take carriers into anoms in blue space and shoot away with little risk... For anyone who lived in Nullsec long enough, it's a known fact that Nullsec is actually a LOT safer than empire, be it high/low sec. And it's gonna be even worse in Odyssey with the whole "Trade tags for sec status". Empire's actually gonna become the most dangerous place in New Eden (But it's kind of intended anyway, as an incentive to drive people away from Empire into Low/Null sec)
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Initiative 3703	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:03:00 - [21] - Quote Ziester wrote: Ginger Barbarella wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: Ziester wrote: Warp to 70km of any given Hub/Haven, launch drones (set on aggressive), go grab a coffee or something. ...get hotdropped and DDed I always thought it was funny how low sec'ers/nullies whined about Easy Button missioning/mining in high sec, when you can take carriers into anoms in blue space and shoot away with little risk... For anyone who lived in Nullsec long enough, it's a known fact that Nullsec is actually a LOT safer than empire, be it high/low sec. I'd say that sov null sec is quite a bit more safe than NPC null sec and WH space. I'd say risk looks like this (greatest to least): FW Low Sec Open WH Space (eg, you aren't collapsing every incoming and are rolling for targets) NPC Null Sec Non-FW Low Sec Buttoned WH Space (you are collapsing every incoming and not using your static) High Sec Sov Null Sec As such, I've had no problems missioning in a carrier in FW low sec and a marauder in NPC null sec and open WH space. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Ersahi Kir Infinite Mobility SpaceMonkey's Alliance 181	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:35:00 - [22] - Quote Real homies use rorquels with sentries. If they would let rorq's use drone control modules they would be uber pimp.
Tinu Moorhsum Random Events 170	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:45:00 - [23] - Quote Ciyrine wrote: I was talking to some people who said high end players can earn 500m isk/day ratting. Do you guys know how a carrier capable of that would be setup? I'm not really a big fan of ratting but when I do it I either do it in nullsec with a pair of Naga's (dual boxing). Or in a wormhole with a pair of tengus In nullsec, it pays about 45-50mil ticks (a tick is 20 min), which is 135-150 mil per hour before salvaging, which is another almost 100 mil per hour if you dual box noctis'. (this is only really useful if you have two screens). If you're lucky one of the sites will also "escalate" which means you get a bookmark to a complex, which can pay big paydays. The complexes that result from teh anomolies I run are 9/10 which are easy to solo if you have the right ships and I've had them pay out as much as 3 bil, but usually only about 1bil. That's for about 90 min of work, all in. You don't get escallations every day though so it's really the icing on the cake but not the cake. The point being that making 500mil in a day ratting is perfectly feasible but you need to focus on ratting and it will take you several hours. In the wormhole it really depends on what you're doing but I think you can make more isk per hour killing sleepers than rats in nullsec. It takes more setting up though because you need to scan the exits and put scouts on them so you don't get ganked. So in the WH I'm usually quad boxing but 2 of them will be cloaked near exits. The up side of the WH if yuo're set up for it is that you can easily make 150 per hour in a C3. At least I can, but I have the impression that with more practice I could push that number up to about 200. So yeah. You don't need anything too amazing to make a huge buttload of isk from ratting. All it takes is time and the tolerance to do the same thing over and over and over and over again.
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension 256	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:18:00 - [24] - Quote Ciyrine wrote: I was talking to some people who said high end players can earn 500m isk/day ratting. Do you guys know how a carrier capable of that would be setup? That is actually a bad day. Carrier ratting means running sites, and you are looking for escalations, if you get a couple people with carriers and blast through Forlon Hubs you can get about 20-22 a tick on bounties, so 500mil is a bout 6 hours. Where you make the money is 8/10s and 10/10s which are hit or miss, you'll get streaks where you do two or three 10/10s whcih are gated and require spider tanking BSs or BSs and logi, no caps.....and get nothing, then you run a couple 8/10s and get three x-type drops a pop....which is $$$ Even then I used to pull around the same rate dual boxing with a mach and logi alt
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension 256	Posted - 2013.05.24 23:19:00 - [25] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: As such, I've had no problems missioning in a carrier in FW low sec and a marauder in NPC null sec and open WH space. -Liang Running level 5s with a carrier is fun, not because of the missions but because of all of the cat and mouse, contant interuptions, flying in alts to kill tacklers and whatnot. Not something I would try without insurance though, I've had a LOT of close calls that way.
Sjugar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 98	Posted - 2013.05.26 10:05:00 - [26] - Quote First: ISK/day is a stupid measure. You need to use something like isk/hour. Second: People getting so anal about carrier ratting. Just the old eve adagio: fly what you can afford to lose. And if people fly carriers, that's what they're going to lose. Deal with it. Just don't lose it too often.
Ziester No Fixed Abode Mildly Intoxicated 3	Posted - 2013.05.26 11:18:00 - [27] - Quote Sjugar wrote: First: ISK/day is a stupid measure. You need to use something like isk/hour. Second: People getting so anal about carrier ratting. Just the old eve adagio: fly what you can afford to lose. And if people fly carriers, that's what they're going to lose. Deal with it. Just don't lose it too often. Again, they're not gonna lose anything if they use them properly. In a Blue Sov Nullsec area, with active intel channels and an eye on Local, I'll say it again : if you lose your carrier, you're an idiot. If you have neither of those, just don't rat in a carrier
Sjugar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 98	Posted - 2013.05.26 12:04:00 - [28] - Quote Ziester wrote: Again, they're not gonna lose anything if they use them properly. In a Blue Sov Nullsec area, with active intel channels and an eye on Local, I'll say it again : if you lose your carrier, you're an idiot. If you have neither of those, just don't rat in a carrier Awoxing, or help from inside spies. You don't have to be idiot and can do everything right and still lose a carrier.
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension 257	Posted - 2013.05.26 18:45:00 - [29] - Quote Sjugar wrote: Ziester wrote: Again, they're not gonna lose anything if they use them properly. In a Blue Sov Nullsec area, with active intel channels and an eye on Local, I'll say it again : if you lose your carrier, you're an idiot. If you have neither of those, just don't rat in a carrier Awoxing, or help from inside spies. You don't have to be idiot and can do everything right and still lose a carrier. You have to be really slow on the draw to lose ratting carrier. Anything is possible of course, but you shouldn't have a carrier alone in a system anyway.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Initiative 3711	Posted - 2013.05.26 19:03:00 - [30] - Quote Onictus wrote: You have to be really slow on the draw to lose ratting carrier. Anything is possible of course, but you shouldn't have a carrier alone in a system anyway. Uhh... I'm always most comfortable with my carrier when I'm alone in system. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren

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