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Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:25:00 -
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...however you can only use clone upgrades, implants, plex and train/inject skills on a subscribed account?
(I suppose you could even 'police' where they could go with Concord and limit to certain ships)
Would this mean more potential customers for CCP?
Would this mean a massive influx of useless alts or bots?
What does the community think? I am interested
Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5051
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:32:00 -
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How about no? |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:36:00 -
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If you can't afford 15 lousy bucks a month for 1 account you gotta be in sad shape... |
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:36:00 -
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Yim Sei wrote:...however you can only use clone upgrades, implants, plex and train/inject skills on a subscribed account?
(I suppose you could even 'police' where they could go with Concord and limit to certain ships)
Would this mean more potential customers for CCP?
Would this mean a massive influx of useless alts or bots?
What does the community think? I am interested
Why?
Answer why this would be better than the current trial system and I might think about it.
As it is, no, bad idea.
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Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:36:00 -
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EVE is already F2P if you earn enough in-game to pay for it in PLEX.
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Kris Xavier
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:38:00 -
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Just No. |
Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:40:00 -
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lots of accounts are free to play atm thanks to the introduction of PLEX
CCP-¦s New Motto: Shiny over Substance |
Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:41:00 -
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Thank you for your well thought out and considered replies.
Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts. |
floating in space
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:46:00 -
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This would probably hamper CCP's ability to develop DUST and WoD |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:55:00 -
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Six Six Six wrote:EVE is already F2P if you earn enough in-game to pay for it in PLEX.
It is not free to play. Free to play implies that the game is 100% free to play. This game is not free. You spend your time grinding isk to pay for a gtc that someone else paid for with RL cash. Your times is worth something and you had to purchase an item that was purchased with RL cash. So EvE is not F2P. |
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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:56:00 -
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PLEX is not F2P? Hmm...
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Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime. |
Saheed Cha'chris'ra
Krautz WH Exploration and Production
42
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:59:00 -
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All MMO's which were Pay2Play first and were introduced to the F2P-Market failed in the long run. If you want to make a F2P-Game you have to be very careful to get no Pay2win-Imbalance, because then your game will fail.
Eve is not suited for such a model, and not suited for having things like golden ammo with extra damage for $! |
Cat Casidy
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
134
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:04:00 -
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Your mom is...ehh too easy
SLAPD - Star Scientist, I science stars
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Sobach
Fourth Circle
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:05:00 -
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Yim Sei wrote:Thank you for your well thought out and considered replies.
After carefully reading over your post and some thoughtful deliberations, I've arrived at the conclusion that there was not a single idea in your post that was not utter crap.
Thank you, now go away. |
Lucretia DeWinter
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:08:00 -
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Companies need to make money. Otherwise they go out of business.
There are other aspects of an F2P model than just being free to play.
They also require some form of revenue or income, which in the vast majority of cases is through micro-transactions.
Micro-transactions = pay-to-win in pretty much every incarnation.
The imbalance, however slight, between people who actually have a job and can easily pay a subscription or buy PLEX and die hard F2P players who never spend real money leads to long drawn out arguments and resentment.
imagine any of the threads on Skill Point totals and make it 10x worse.
F2P is never a good plan for any game where player interaction is the primary focus over Missions and PVE.
There is money to made in the F2P model, but it always struggles long term. None of the F2P games I've played are still alive and healthy after 3 years, let alone 10. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
9533
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:09:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:Six Six Six wrote:EVE is already F2P if you earn enough in-game to pay for it in PLEX.
It is not free to play. Free to play implies that the game is 100% free to play. This game is not free. You spend your time grinding isk to pay for a gtc that someone else paid for with RL cash. Your times is worth something and you had to purchase an item that was purchased with RL cash. So EvE is not F2P.
PLEX is sorta kinda F2P.
If you're going to say that it's definitely not because every account is paid for, well then virtually no games are F2P by that definition - high spending "whale" players effectively pay for all those free accounts. If no one paid anything, then those F2P games would immediately shut down.
In EVE the link is more direct, but it's still the same effect. I think EVE's system is much better than the traditional "freemium" cash shop model. It's a lot more honest too IMO.
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Charlotte 'Lottie' O'Reilly
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:14:00 -
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You can only train skills on a paid account?
So what's the point of an F2P one then? |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
The East India Co.
1435
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:21:00 -
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Yim Sei wrote:...however you can only use clone upgrades, implants, plex and train/inject skills on a subscribed account?
(I suppose you could even 'police' where they could go with Concord and limit to certain ships)
Would this mean more potential customers for CCP?
Would this mean a massive influx of useless alts or bots?
What does the community think? I am interested
The community thinks you're daft, judging by the responses. What you've proposed is an F2P model that is less useful than the current trial accounts (which are, by the way, already free). Unless you plan to start suicide gank alts that only use noob ships, it's a terrible idea with absolutely no premeditation on the ramifications of the limitations you've proposed.
tl;dr: The community thinks you're idiot. Carry on.
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
3417
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:29:00 -
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Charlotte 'Lottie' O'Reilly wrote:You can only train skills on a paid account?
So what's the point of an F2P one then?
Cyno alt. Freighter alt. Suicide ganking alt. There are any number of reasons why people would play characters on accounts that have no upkeep costs, regardless of the limitations imposed on those accounts. Note that trial accounts have some very severe limitations which would not impact suicide ganking alts (as one example). Free To Play suicide ganking alts could potentially be eliminated by prohibiting free accounts from disabling the "safety switch" (i.e.: setting it to anything other than green).
Should CCP at some point decide to introduce a Free To Play option for EVE Online, I can see that it would be technically feasible, though I would worry about the consequences to the game and the community.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Sentamon
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:32:00 -
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Is this a stealth nerf highsec thread?
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Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:35:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Is this a stealth nerf highsec thread?
It seemed more like a how to ruin the game thread to me. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
The East India Co.
1435
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:36:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Charlotte 'Lottie' O'Reilly wrote:You can only train skills on a paid account?
So what's the point of an F2P one then? Cyno alt. Freighter alt. Suicide ganking alt.
Based on the limitations proposed in the OP (specifically, unable to inject/train skills) none of these would be possible.
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
C DeLeon
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:37:00 -
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Michael Scott would like to say something to you |
Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:38:00 -
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See that broken monument in Jita? It's broken for a reason. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
The East India Co.
1435
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:39:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:See that broken monument in Jita? It's broken for a reason.
I swear I wasn't piloting my freighter drunk.
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
14762
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:44:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:Six Six Six wrote:EVE is already F2P if you earn enough in-game to pay for it in PLEX.
It is not free to play. Free to play implies that the game is 100% free to play. This game is not free. You spend your time grinding isk to pay for a gtc that someone else paid for with RL cash. Your times is worth something and you had to purchase an item that was purchased with RL cash. So EvE is not F2P. I see both arguments.
The simply way to look at it is that individuals may play for free, but as a Plex can only exist through RL cash, it means Eve isn't free to play. It's a rather elegant solution.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.23 14:56:00 -
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Mag's wrote:The simply way to look at it is that individuals may play for free, but as a Plex can only exist through RL cash, it means Eve isn't free to play. It's a rather elegant solution.
But then you could say the same about F2P shops, those buying from the shop ensures that it can afford to be F2P. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:05:00 -
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Yim Sei wrote:...however you can only use clone upgrades, implants, plex and train/inject skills on a subscribed account?
You are aware what you just said right? |
Danbar Roth
No Tax Holdings
60
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:07:00 -
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I haven't payed for eve (real money wise) is about five years. No grinding needed, its very easy to make 600mill in game if you know what you doing, no more than a day a month MAX.
Seems free to play for my bank account. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
14762
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:14:00 -
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Six Six Six wrote:Mag's wrote:The simply way to look at it is that individuals may play for free, but as a Plex can only exist through RL cash, it means Eve isn't free to play. It's a rather elegant solution. But then you could say the same about F2P shops, those buying from the shop ensures that it can afford to be F2P. The point is that with Eve, the Plex only exists to supply gametime. That''s the difference.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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