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Korinne
The Partisan Brigade
Republic Alliance
230
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:19:00 -
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They've been pushing the whole pay to win f2p model for a while. Just look at the facts. Ever since Incarna, it's been painfully obvious that overhead on Eve development has decreased, with every new expansion just being more and more recycled content surrounded by shiny new things that ultimately don't add content to the game.
Next, we can look at the launcher. It's generally a given that Eve players know where to find information, so why would you make a launcher that looks like every other game, and which is ultimately just a giant billboard for players who already give you money? The reason is that it is the perfect billboard for which to post adds for bunny hats.
Then we have Dust, which is just pay to win period. Nuff said.
After that, we have the homogenization and nerfing of pvp in general in Eve. The introduction of t3's and T3's (both of which are op) make accessing high levels of Eve pvp rediculously easy for characters with less than 10mil sp, on top of which are the upcoming skill changes which only add to the problem. Hell they even renamed prop mods and missles (WHICH WERE ALREADY COLOR CODED) to make things 'easier'.
Now for a playerbase that prides itself on intelligence and challenging gameplay, why would they even think to do this? The answer is that they are trying to proliferate the playerbase with a less questioning and easier to satisfy horde of 12 year old newfags that will happily fork over grandma's credit card for bunnyhats and gold ammo. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2013
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:23:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:How about no?
No is a good answer. I'll go with no.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
89
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:29:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Six Six Six wrote:Mag's wrote:The simply way to look at it is that individuals may play for free, but as a Plex can only exist through RL cash, it means Eve isn't free to play. It's a rather elegant solution. But then you could say the same about F2P shops, those buying from the shop ensures that it can afford to be F2P. The point is that with Eve, the Plex's core purpose is to supply gametime. That''s the difference.
The point I was trying to make is PLEX can only exist through RL cash, but so does F2P accounts in F2P games due to people using the F2P shops.
So people buying PLEX from CCP fund the accounts via PLEX in exchange for isk of people that use the PLEX to extend their game time. People that use an F2P shops are funding those accounts that never use the F2P shops. So I don't really see that much difference. |
Helios Aquiness
The Rising Stars Academy
7
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:36:00 -
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Saheed Cha'chris'ra wrote:All MMO's which were Pay2Play first and were introduced to the F2P-Market failed in the long run. If you want to make a F2P-Game you have to be very careful to get no Pay2win-Imbalance, because then your game will fail.
Eve is not suited for such a model, and not suited for having things like golden ammo with extra damage for $!
Not true, LOTRO went for the hybrid model a few years ago and they are still going strong. Personally I think hybrid is the best model but I like EVE's Make some one else pay 2 play or as I call it. MSOEP2P |
Six Six Six
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
89
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:40:00 -
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Helios Aquiness wrote:
Make some one else pay 2 play or as I call it. MSOEP2P
I thought that was the point, no matter which F2P model you chose, someone else is paying for those that don't. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2493
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Posted - 2013.05.23 15:42:00 -
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Korinne wrote:They've been pushing the whole pay to win f2p model for a while. Just look at the facts. Ever since Incarna, it's been painfully obvious that overhead on Eve development has decreased, with every new expansion just being more and more recycled content surrounded by shiny new things that ultimately don't add content to the game.
We asked CCP to fix the little things and that's what they've been doing. How you manage to twist that into CCP pushing free-to-play is beyond me.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
66
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:04:00 -
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I think maybe some have put too much of their own opinion into my original post.
Many thanks btw to those of you who have replied intelligently (there are far too many knuckledragging trolls these days lol)
I wasn't really meaning a change to the way eve plays by making the whole game free and adding premium items - more making a cut down version of Eve to get those interested who do not want to pay on a monthly basis.
So you are not adding anything but subtracting things for non subscribers.
Personally I thought it may bring an influx of new players.
Those who get the hang of it and want more will subscribe for the abilities I mentioned.
CCP are already adding training for plex with the 2 on one account thingymaboby.
You still give someone the 15 days free (as now) but then the training stops, the implants stop.
This may allow players to taste more of the game before deciding to quit forever because of learning curve etc.
TBH its not much different from what you have now except the unsubbed accounts can still fly around and partake in the Eve universe - but with limits.
Like I said - Just interested in intelligent opinions
(but will read troll replies for laffs and pity)
Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1916
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:08:00 -
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Ban OP, gas thread.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Andrea Griffin
463
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:29:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:PLEX is not F2P? Hmm... It's not - for that PLEX to exist, someone had to buy a game time code (money to CCP) and convert it into PLEX. When you buy it with ISK and redeem the PLEX, you may not have paid real world money for the 30 days but someone else did.
CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
3420
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:31:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Cyno alt. Freighter alt. Suicide ganking alt.
Based on the limitations proposed in the OP (specifically, unable to inject/train skills) none of these would be possible.
Well, once the skills are trained, no further training is required. So get a F2P account, PLEX the training queue for 30 days, return to "unsubscribed" or "Free to play" status, profit? The difficulty would arise if CCP wanted to apply trial account limitations to "free to play" accounts under this model: would you stop the character being able to fly industrials and freighters which they have trained for when they revert to unsubscribed? Such discussions could go on for quite some time of course.
On one hand, I can see reasons to allow people to fly spaceships but not train skills, post market orders or interact with contracts if they are not subscribed. This would allow for a greater population of active pilots in the virtual world, adding richness to the universe by simply existing.
On the other hand, having free hauler & cyno alts available at call could be harmful to the game. Would address this by imposing restrictions on unsubscribed accounts be sufficient address the possible abuses?
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Olterin Fire
Caldari Navy Reserve Force
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:40:00 -
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In addition to everything mentioned above (in particular the "no" bits), there's the consideration of just how much the servers can take. Imagine if everyone could suddenly get 10 more alt accounts, and fly them? Or for that matter that the amount of people online would multiply by 10 (arbitrary number to get the point across)? Ok, let's assume the servers can (just barely) take it - let's double the amount of people once again (keep in mind, this is without CCP getting more revenue). Servers crash and burn.
So, in my opinion, it's a very bad idea from a very technical point of view. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
3422
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:45:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:See that broken monument in Jita? It's broken for a reason.
The reason that the monument is broken has nothing to do with "free to play" and everything to do with "waaah! the item store items cost too much!" Players wanted microtransactions what they got was luxury items. Player wanted walking in stations, what they got was a Minmatar-themed Shoebox. A handful of players wanted more focus on spaceships, what they got was a reskinned Maller.
At the core of it, the monument in Jita is broken because CCP headed off on a tangent and didn't listen to what the players wanted, and didn't consider what was best for their virtual world. The ambulation feature taking so much developer time away from every other aspect of the game, is what caused that monument to be shot at by the pitchfork-wielding rabble.
The only thing stopping CCP from releasing some kind of "free to play" option for EVE Online is any kind of indication that doing so would be more good than bad for the game and its community.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
780
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:47:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Is this a stealth nerf highsec thread?
No, it's a troll-thread.
I would say...hmmmm...
...
3/10.
Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1918
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:48:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Players wanted microtransactions
CITATION NEEDED
Mara Rinn wrote:Player wanted walking in stations
CITATION NEEDED
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
3422
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:52:00 -
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Olterin Fire wrote:In addition to everything mentioned above (in particular the "no" bits), there's the consideration of just how much the servers can take. Imagine if everyone could suddenly get 10 more alt accounts, and fly them? GǪ
So, in my opinion, it's a very bad idea from a very technical point of view.
Technical problems have technical solutions.
The simple, concise (and thus, probably wrong) approach to preventing free-to-play accounts driving the servers into the dust is to have a separate login queue for free-to-play accounts. Subscribed players connect immediately, F2P accounts have to wait for one of the thousand F2P "login slots" to free up.
Of course you could then buy a login slot as part of a subscription (subscription includes a free skill queue, removal of trial account limitations, etc), or perhaps a cheaper login slot could be available at the price of 1 PLEX for 90 days (you still can't train skills or bypass any trial account limitations, etc). A full subscription is 1 PLEX for 30 days, which gives you a login slot, skill queue and lifting of trial/F2P account limitations (so you can disable the safety in hisec while piloting your freighter to tend your market orders and contracts).
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Adunh Slavy
842
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:53:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:We asked CCP to fix the little things and that's what they've been doing. How you manage to twist that into CCP pushing free-to-play is beyond me. Mr Epeen
+1 |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
3422
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Posted - 2013.05.23 16:55:00 -
[47] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Players wanted microtransactions CITATION NEEDED
Go through the mountains of tears in the post-Incarna forum rage and see just how many people complained about the Noble Exchange items being "too expensive" (as opposed to complaining about the existence of the items in the first place).
Doc Fury wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Player wanted walking in stations CITATION NEEDED
Continual requests for more items in the Noble Exchange store, continual discussion about space barbies.
Now you know the key words to search for, you can find the copious references yourself.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1111
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:01:00 -
[48] - Quote
I support F2P but only if F2P'ers are prohibited from using the market, trading with other players, and locking or accessing anything in space.
CCP has no sense of humour. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1918
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:04:00 -
[49] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Players wanted microtransactions CITATION NEEDED Go through the mountains of tears in the post-Incarna forum rage and see just how many people complained about the Noble Exchange items being "too expensive" (as opposed to complaining about the existence of the items in the first place). Doc Fury wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Player wanted walking in stations CITATION NEEDED Continual requests for more items in the Noble Exchange store, continual discussion about space barbies. Now you know the key words to search for, you can find the copious references yourself.
No, you said players WANTED MT. Show me your source for that. I have yet to encounter anyone in game who actually wanted that except for you. Pricing is not at issue and was not referenced in my request.
I have however experienced players who want WIS, show me some statistics where this constitutes more than a dozen or so of the same players posting over and over in the same "GIEV WIS NAOW!!!" threads.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
223
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:17:00 -
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Yim Sei wrote:...however you can only use clone upgrades, implants, plex and train/inject skills on a subscribed account?
(I suppose you could even 'police' where they could go with Concord and limit to certain ships)
Would this mean more potential customers for CCP?
Would this mean a massive influx of useless alts or bots?
What does the community think? I am interested
This is a bad idea and you should feel so bad that you give me your toon and all its assets, then leave and never come back.
"you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II |
Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
223
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:19:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:See that broken monument in Jita? It's broken for a reason.
^ this guy wins the entire thread
"you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4043
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:43:00 -
[52] - Quote
Just no.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Azeroth Uluntil
e X i l e
The Initiative.
1
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:56:00 -
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Yim Sei wrote:I think maybe some have put too much of their own opinion into my original post.
Many thanks btw to those of you who have replied intelligently (there are far too many knuckledragging trolls these days lol)
I wasn't really meaning a change to the way eve plays by making the whole game free and adding premium items - more making a cut down version of Eve to get those interested who do not want to pay on a monthly basis.
So you are not adding anything but subtracting things for non subscribers.
Personally I thought it may bring an influx of new players.
Those who get the hang of it and want more will subscribe for the abilities I mentioned.
CCP are already adding training for plex with the 2 on one account thingymaboby.
You still give someone the 15 days free (as now) but then the training stops, the implants stop.
This may allow players to taste more of the game before deciding to quit forever because of learning curve etc.
TBH its not much different from what you have now except the unsubbed accounts can still fly around and partake in the Eve universe - but with limits.
Like I said - Just interested in intelligent opinions
(but will read troll replies for laffs and pity)
You post a thread with one of the worst ideas imaginable and expect intelligent opinions? You sir, must be trolling. Or just mentally defunct.
I hope F2P doesn't ever hit eve online. Causes way too many problems in the long run. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
747
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:59:00 -
[54] - Quote
Just no no no no and fcking NO !
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
704
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Posted - 2013.05.23 17:59:00 -
[55] - Quote
this is a nerf afk cloaking thread?
No
"Also, your boobs  " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
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Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
226
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Posted - 2013.05.23 18:07:00 -
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Hey, OP..... Aion is that way ------>
"you can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose."-á --áBienator II |
Adunh Slavy
843
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Posted - 2013.05.23 18:17:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:
Go through the mountains of tears in the post-Incarna forum rage and see just how many people complained about the Noble Exchange items being "too expensive" (as opposed to complaining about the existence of the items in the first place).
Have to go against ya on this. The fear was MTs leading to a pay-to-win situation, that people would pay to get items magiced into the game, thus hurting the entire sandbox.
Not too many people cared about the fact that vanity items were introduced, pure vanity who cares. But $1000 pants was icing on the cake, and that was after the Golden Scorp, and 18 months awesomeness etc. It simply added to the 'greed' narrative that was forming. Then the news letter and devs in flames at CQ doors, one of the most epic and funny threads of all time, even if "DIAF" did get someone in trouble.
Hillmar assured us that pay-to-win was not going to be in Eve and that there was essentially a miscommunication. The pictures of ponies dying due to dread agro ceased and we all had a big hug.
I suspect we all have a slightly different perspective, from my recollection, pay to win was the biggest and most damaging, to the game, issue that players were expressing. |
Shaera Taam
Minmatar Death Squad
Broken Chains Alliance
73
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Posted - 2013.05.23 18:18:00 -
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EVE F2P = P2W for subs
Not a good idea at all...
Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess! |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
14763
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Posted - 2013.05.23 18:42:00 -
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Six Six Six wrote:Mag's wrote:Six Six Six wrote:Mag's wrote:The simply way to look at it is that individuals may play for free, but as a Plex can only exist through RL cash, it means Eve isn't free to play. It's a rather elegant solution. But then you could say the same about F2P shops, those buying from the shop ensures that it can afford to be F2P. The point is that with Eve, the Plex's core purpose is to supply gametime. That''s the difference. The point I was trying to make is PLEX can only exist through RL cash, but so does F2P accounts in F2P games due to people using the F2P shops. So people buying PLEX from CCP fund the accounts via PLEX in exchange for isk of people that use the PLEX to extend their game time. People that use an F2P shops are funding those accounts that never use the F2P shops. So I don't really see that much difference. I already noted that a Plex only exists through RL cash.
The main difference between the two, is the fact that to play Eve for free requires you trading in-game money for that Plex. Thus not one account except trial ones, could be said to be F2P.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Sishen Gzi
Hellion Support Services
42
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Posted - 2013.05.23 18:56:00 -
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Quote:Doc Fury wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Player wanted walking in stations CITATION NEEDED Continual requests for more items in the Noble Exchange store, continual discussion about space barbies. Now you know the key words to search for, you can find the copious references yourself.
Mara is right, the numbers of players that want WiS is so large that when they unsubscribe CCP will have to institute massive layoffs and switch to years of patches that reassure these players that CCP cares about their concerns. Oh wait... that was the exact opposite of what happened. |
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