EvE is one of the oldest-surviving computer games, even older than WoW (albeit by a few months). Why change a winning strategy with something that has been shown time and again to have a high rate of failure?

In addition to everything mentioned above (in particular the "no" bits), there's the consideration of just how much the servers can take. Imagine if everyone could suddenly get 10 more alt accounts, and fly them? Or for that matter that the amount of people online would multiply by 10 (arbitrary number to get the point across)? Ok, let's assume the servers can (just barely) take it - let's double the amount of people once again (keep in mind, this is without CCP getting more revenue). Servers crash and burn.

So, in my opinion, it's a very bad idea from a very technical point of view.

Not true, LOTRO went for the hybrid model a few years ago and they are still going strong. Personally I think hybrid is the best model but I like EVE's Make some one else pay 2 play or as I call it. MSOEP2P

No, you said players WANTED MT. Show me your source for that. I have yet to encounter anyone in game who actually wanted that except for you. Pricing is not at issue and was not referenced in my request.

I have however experienced players who want WIS, show me some statistics where this constitutes more than a dozen or so of the same players posting over and over in the same "GIEV WIS NAOW!!!" threads.

Ah, so people complaining about the price of items in the virtual item store doesn't mean they wanted things in the virtual item store at a cheaper price, at about, say, the level of a micro transaction?

You're applying the "no true Scotsman" argument here. Pricing was the issue, rather than the presence of the item store. Certainly there were people like me who didn't want the item store in the format that it was executed, but we were by far the minority: for most people the issue wasn't so much the presence of the boots magicked into the economy without player involvement, so much as the price of them. When people are haggling about price, they have already indicated that they want the item.

Just because you didn't want the Noble Exchange doesn't mean everyone else didn't want it. They were complaining about the price of its stock, not the presence of the store. They were complaining about the promises made in Fearless about saved fitting slots being purchasable for Aurum. They were complaining about the future of the game should CCP decide to follow the path of LOTRO, DDO and SW:TOR, not realising that those games went F2P because they were crap (i.e.: they didn't turn to crap because of F2P, though LOTRO didn't help the case by selling The One Ring and SW:TOR didn't help their case by selling hotbars).



Show me the statistics for people who rioted over WiS. Not the folks who don't care about WiS, not the folks who rioted because WiS took so much time away from flying in space, but the people who rioted because Incarna existed at all. People oohed and aaahed at the presentation back in 2009 (I think?) where Hilmar walked a capsuleer around the inside of the station. We speculated about what else would happen in stations besides trading boosters "off the grid" and playing/betting on Slay, and what would be involved in running an establishment, and would we be able to put our exotic dancers to work drumming up clientele?

The future MMO industry going to be a very different one from the one we know, this is pretty obvious.

...however you can only use clone upgrades, implants, plex and train/inject skills on a subscribed account?

(I suppose you could even 'police' where they could go with Concord and limit to certain ships)



Would this mean more potential customers for CCP?


Would this mean a massive influx of useless alts or bots?

What does the community think? I am interested

lots of accounts are free to play atm thanks to the introduction of PLEX

Is this a stealth nerf highsec thread?

Free to play means that CCP gets no money unless you choose to spend it. Someone already bought that plex. CCP got paid. You put in hard labor to have a month to play. It may not cost you the end user money but it was hardly free.

...however you can only use clone upgrades, implants, plex and train/inject skills on a subscribed account?

(I suppose you could even 'police' where they could go with Concord and limit to certain ships)



Would this mean more potential customers for CCP?


Would this mean a massive influx of useless alts or bots?

What does the community think? I am interested

Mara is right, the numbers of players that want WiS is so large that when they unsubscribe CCP will have to institute massive layoffs and switch to years of patches that reassure these players that CCP cares about their concerns. Oh wait... that was the exact opposite of what happened.

Have to go against ya on this. The fear was MTs leading to a pay-to-win situation, that people would pay to get items magiced into the game, thus hurting the entire sandbox.

Not too many people cared about the fact that vanity items were introduced, pure vanity who cares. But $1000 pants was icing on the cake, and that was after the Golden Scorp, and 18 months awesomeness etc. It simply added to the 'greed' narrative that was forming. Then the news letter and devs in flames at CQ doors, one of the most epic and funny threads of all time, even if "DIAF" did get someone in trouble.

I suspect we all have a slightly different perspective, from my recollection, pay to win was the biggest and most damaging, to the game, issue that players were expressing.

"you say tomato, I say tomato"

PLEX is not F2P? Hmm...

...however you can only use clone upgrades, implants, plex and train/inject skills on a subscribed account?

(I suppose you could even 'police' where they could go with Concord and limit to certain ships)



Would this mean more potential customers for CCP?


Would this mean a massive influx of useless alts or bots?

What does the community think? I am interested