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Grizwold	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:09:00 - [1] According to the latest blog: "Last, but not least, Gaming culture in east Asia is radically different from their western counterparts. Buying ingame assets is considered a part of the games, be that from the provider of the game or from other players. If we have to allow this for success in the China market we don't want to force this on Tranquility to conform to the asian gaming culture. I'm not saying buying ingame items is right or wrong, I'm simply not going judge other cultures against the values of my own. " Please explain the "cultural" aspect of Chinese E-Baying... Are you saying that the Chinese players may use E-Bay, but Western players cannot..or we can if we only sell to the Chinese... To allow E-bay selling will ruin the game...I can't believe you are going to allow it and say it is "cultural". People want cash and it has nothing to do with culture. Please say this isn't true guys...
F'nog	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:11:00 - [2] Pay attention. It will only be on the Chinese server, if it is even allowed. So anyone is free to buy the items. You'll just have to make an account on that server and learn Chinese. Sig modified due to xenophobic comments -Iacon
St Dragon	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Grizwold According to the latest blog: "Last, but not least, Gaming culture in east Asia is radically different from their western counterparts. Buying ingame assets is considered a part of the games, be that from the provider of the game or from other players. If we have to allow this for success in the China market we don't want to force this on Tranquility to conform to the asian gaming culture. I'm not saying buying ingame items is right or wrong, I'm simply not going judge other cultures against the values of my own. " Please explain the "cultural" aspect of Chinese E-Baying... Are you saying that the Chinese players may use E-Bay, but Western players cannot..or we can if we only sell to the Chinese... To allow E-bay selling will ruin the game...I can't believe you are going to allow it and say it is "cultural". People want cash and it has nothing to do with culture. Please say this isn't true guys... Wing wing wing read it properly please he is saying its normal there so they will THINK about it. Even if it was allowed it wont affect us as the items will not be available us as its on a different server.
oDDiTy V2	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:16:00 - [4] Lol, yeah, I'd like to see the ancient Chinese proverbs that say "THOU MUST SELL GAME ITEMS FOR MONEY!" Seriously.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:21:00 - [5] It is only happening on the Chinese server, which you are not playing on. Why do you care? - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Gibri	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:23:00 - [6] ccp does nothing to stop this going on on tq, why should they even care?
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:27:00 - [7] Originally by: Gibri ccp does nothing to stop this going on on tq, why should they even care? Ever, possibly, read any of the news? At all? A while back they banned like 100 ebayers, including some higher-profile T2 sellers and such. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Armor Jack	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:28:00 - [8] something happening on one server doesn't affect the other
Thomus	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:30:00 - [9] So... chinese players won't be playing the same game we will? ---------------- Tom
Taketa De	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:31:00 - [10] Originally by: Thomus So... chinese players won't be playing the same game we will? Since most of what makes the game work is the players... no they won't, they'll be playing a slightly different game.
LegendHawk	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:38:00 - [11] Well, things are kinda different over there. Some "Gamer" in China don't go to school or work, They'll play MMORPG all day and sell their in-game items and characters to make money. Many people live of their lives like that.
Qell	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:38:00 - [12] My only question regarding this is that if CCP do let the Chinese players buy/sell using RL currency, why put so much of the GM team's effort into stopping it on Tranquility? Different culture and such, yeah, it still results in the same thing. The potential for theft of real money (indirectly).
Douglas McCracken	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:43:00 - [13] Edited by: Douglas Mc***en on 23/10/2005 22:45:12 someone in china murdered someone for a sword.. its big money in china, big.. personally i dont mind if they allow ebay on the chinese server so long as its not allowed over here.. Most of the ebayers on TQ are probibly from low income countrys selling to the rich westerners, basically i dont see how selling isk for rl currency in china will be profitable if only chinese play it.
SengH	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:44:00 - [14] However most other mmorpgs dont allow massive scale theft like corp theft... The items are stored on your character for most other mmorpgs and cannot be removed. What will happen if one side sues the other for stealing 100,000 RMB worth of T2 BPOS? Since they goods now have a monetary value as its CCP sanctioned. The legal ramifications/headaches will just end up making the lawyers rich instead of CCP.
MarieDanae Alliaume	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:48:00 - [15] Edited by: MarieDanae Alliaume on 23/10/2005 22:49:05 LegendHawk and Douglas Mc*****en, please take your ignorant sterotypes somewhere else. Not all Chinese players farm and sell items on ebay and not all play MMORPGS all day. I am appauled that Oveur had to nerve to even say that it is part of their "culture." Oveur you probably think brutors have tails too, huh? I mean you did make them slaves.
Hakera	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:51:00 - [16] they can ebay as much as they want as long as: they have no access to tq sorted :) However it does set dangerous precedants, that is it's ok in one culture, why not another for eg. I dont believe real money should buy you jack in the game world but hey. Little we can do to stop it. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Derron Bel	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:54:00 - [17] Asian gaming culture is much more accepting of in game sales of items and characters than western gaming culture. Witness the hostility to the concept in these forums. -==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled!
Douglas McCracken	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:54:00 - [18] Originally by: MarieDanae Alliaume Not all Chinese players farm and sell items on ebay and not all play MMORPGS all day. I didnt say Chinese I said low income countrys.
Masu'di	Posted - 2005.10.23 22:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Hakera However it does set dangerous precedants, that is it's ok in one culture, why not another for eg. because well, different cultures are different cultures.. POS Drug Refinery
MarieDanae Alliaume	Posted - 2005.10.23 23:01:00 - [20] Edited by: MarieDanae Alliaume on 23/10/2005 23:05:20 Edited by: MarieDanae Alliaume on 23/10/2005 23:01:37 Originally by: Douglas Mc***en Edited by: Douglas Mc***en on 23/10/2005 22:57:37 Originally by: MarieDanae Alliaume Not all Chinese players farm and sell items on ebay and not all play MMORPGS all day. I didnt say Chinese I said low income countrys. Agreed since not actually visiting China, I dont know squat about their culture. Who do you think are buying these items? I bet you it is not anyone from the "low income COUNTRIES." It is just like the drug trade, here in the U.S. As long as you people willing to pay, then there will always be people willing to sell. In order to combat the E-Bay selling. You have to go after the buyers, FIRST. And Oveur, I expect a response.
Douglas McCracken	Posted - 2005.10.23 23:12:00 - [21] Originally by: MarieDanae Alliaume Who do you think are buying these items? I bet you it is not anyone from the "low income COUNTRIES." which is the point i wanted to make, if only chinese are alowed access the new server, then they wont be able to sell the isk for an unfair exchange rate. And I agree that the buyers need to be perma-banned, that way people wont buy the isk, thus no one will sell it.
Expert Newbie	Posted - 2005.10.23 23:28:00 - [22] Internet cafes in China are not the same as it is in Japan and Korea. Only the worst of society frequent those cafes. They smoke in there, swear, look up **** (illegal in China), and sometimes even do drugs. The children who frequent those cafes are all high school dropouts and sometimes belong in gangs. Those stories that you hear about the 'sweat shops' where children go and play games all day to sell online, those children are mostly high school dropouts or those that didn't attend college after high school and couldn't find a job. Despite the common stereotype that all Chinese players are in-game currency farmers, that's hardly the case if you look at the whole of their society. It's analogous to a Chinese person visiting America and the only places he goes to are the slums and ghettos and tells everyone else back home that's how America is. -----
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2005.10.23 23:28:00 - [23] Edited by: Raem Civrie on 23/10/2005 23:29:59 Under chinese laws, players cannot play for more than 3 hours a day. Under chinese laws, players cannot benefit from killing other players. Under chinese laws, players cannot discuss politics that aren't approved by the government. Under chinese laws, players must be registered before opening an account, and probably cannot open more than one account if the registration is "unique". Under chinese laws, chinese people cannot play on Tranquility. So cut the whining. It doesn't affect us, at all. --- Is this a constructive post?
Expert Newbie	Posted - 2005.10.23 23:33:00 - [24] Edited by: Expert Newbie on 23/10/2005 23:34:06 Those rules are never reinforced. Not even the one about politics. If you're some small fry guy working at the bottom rung of a company, they could care less what you say about the government. However, if you're the CEO of a company or someone with political power and you talk smack about the government, then you might find yourself in some bit of trouble. -----
mimik	Posted - 2005.10.23 23:47:00 - [25] can we start a book on how long after the chinese server goes live we get a long-winded rant on here from some noob who bought a shedload of isk from a player on serenity not knowing he cant trade it to his character on TQ.
Derron Bel	Posted - 2005.10.23 23:48:00 - [26] Umm... if only it were so Expert Newbie. My main worry is that CCP will bend over before the Chinese government and hand over some dissident or anti censorship activist who conducted activities ingame. Not that there's any good choices in such a situation. -==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled!
Summersnow	Posted - 2005.10.24 00:39:00 - [27] Buying in game items is an integral part of our culture too, thats why there are soo many korean gold farmers using macros to farm gold in eve, EQ, WoW and most other games... Saying that its good for the chineese but not for us is way bigoted and racist if ya ask me. good one...
TraderGriz	Posted - 2005.10.24 00:56:00 - [28] The chinese speakers are not just in China. Only Mainland China has the restrictions and there are lots of ways around them. Many from North America, Europe and especially Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore will play. Many already play here on TQ. Why should they be able to sell assets for RL isk and not TQ people. Or will this be restricted to Mainland China providers only?? I would expect someone to label the Chinese server the Money server quite quickly. I can also see the present chinese speaking players on TQ to have a huge advantage over the newbies whne the game starts on the new server. I would also unfortunately imagine some bozo will hire a lawyer because he can't sell his Billions of isk for RL money because he doesn't speak Chinese.... I can only see bad things coming from this wavering around allowing E-Bay back into the Eve culture.
Ashelth	Posted - 2005.10.24 01:11:00 - [29] If China gets it's own shard which allows purchase of game goods with real money... where do you think all the asian macro miners and ebayers will go? Stay on TQ where they could get banned? Or go to the asia server where it's allowed?
w0rmy	Posted - 2005.10.24 01:15:00 - [30] Originally by: Ashelth If China gets it's own shard which allows purchase of game goods with real money... where do you think all the asian macro miners and ebayers will go? Stay on TQ where they could get banned? Or go to the asia server where it's allowed? Stay on TQ where they have been for 3 years, and keep selling the ISK for a far far higher $$ value than they ever could on the asian shard. It all comes back to that risk vs reward factor. As for CCP's stand on things... its not about keeping the players happy, its finding the way to line their pockets as heavily as possible.

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