It's a medium size weapon system and as such is rather in line with other weapons systems except medium rails being exceptionally terrible.

Missiles use BCU's and...BCU's+rigs, other weapon systems use DMG mods+tracking enhancers+rigs, thus is balanced from my point of view since I can and use all of those.
Now for the main point, being the exceptional performances in terms of ships used and using those there are several causes to this, from number of players already skilled for Drakes and Drake new bonus.
However the considered so "exceptional " performance is not even on the TOP20, thus doesn't need that much of tweaks.

Cerberus can spew those at stupid ranges but again it's normal it's a T2 specialized ship that actually has not that much dps or overall very good, Tengus benefit quite well from these bonus but again for a T3 ship it's normal and rather balanced.

On topic: yay again to navy cap boosters.

Some concerns about AAR and ASB unbalance at S and M size with this small but so important change that will very probably make my armor frigates and cruisers fit shield more than ever.
CCP needs to make sure those AAR's are getting in line quite fast.

I can see how you think this rounds out cap boosters and fair enough Navy 25 will benefit the under used SASB, but this change is really all about the Navy 50 booster and is basically an unneeded buff to MASB.

By my calculations over heated unrigged MASB is now better than overheated SAAR + 2x Nano pumps for around 38 seconds (basically the whole of a frigate fight).

Overheated unrigged MASB is not far away from providing the same Hitpoint boost as a MSE or a 400RT plate plus one of their respective extending rig.

Those figures are based on raw hitpoints and so do not even account for the fact that ASB fits normally fit resist rigs providing even better EHP boosts.

Feels like we are back at armour tanking 1.25.

Breacher and Hookbill are even getting EHP buffs, I did not even think the merlin resist nerf was really required before, now it very much is.

Decent points but IMO on a frigate a medium slot is more valuable than a low slot.

Moroever Damage controls benefit armor tanks slightly more. So I think armor tanks will not be bad for frigates (prolly better) even after this change.

that is because idk,you are bad and you try to solo them?the same thing you could say about maelstroms or 10mn hawks with c-type booster and super expensive fitts

I've been playing for about two years and have seen the "Why do HAMs and torps have the same range" question many times, and this thread is the first time I've ever seen someone say that the way to fix this was to nerf HAM range.

I think a lot of these HAM/torp range issues will be solved by the eventual introduction of missile range modules, along with tweaks to base ranges as necessary. Of course, we'll the need mysterious anti-missile ewar at the same time (not as a TD effect or script, please...).

Hey guys, I expect this will be the last sticky I place there for Odyssey 1.0. Smaller change, although I couldn't find anywhere better to put it.

We're making some changes to the availability of Navy Cap boosters, adding Navy versions of all the remaining cap booster sizes and slightly adjusting the costs of the 100s and 150s to bring them into line with the rest.

We're adding Navy 25, 50 and 75 boosters available in all the FW LP stores. These should be especially useful for users of small and medium ASBs.

We are also increasing the LP and isk costs of the 100 and 150 sizes, with 100s rising from 100LP and 100000isk to 250LP and 250000isk, and 150s rising from 250LP and 250000isk to 375LP and 375000isk. This change brings them in line with the scaling applied to the costs of the other Navy cap boosters.

All of these changes are on SISI now.

No what he means is why in the hell do HAMS have the same range as Torps??? and rockets occupy the space where HAMS should be closer to.

Some concerns about AAR and ASB unbalance at S and M size with this small but so important change that will very probably make my armor frigates and cruisers fit shield more than ever.
CCP needs to make sure those AAR's are getting in line quite fast.

So you're disagreeing with Fozzie and saying they don't need a range nerf considering T1 HAMS have almost the same range as the T2 ammo on guns like barrage and scorch and null?
range mods is something they will add to missiles in the form of TE's/TC's but saying they are normal for their size since they have the same range as torps (battleship) weapon is just plain wrong.

I can't but agree with those who wonder why on earth need MASB setups be buffed? Stuff like dual MASB Hawks are already way too strong, imho.

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Scorch is very good. Pulse lasers as a whole, even with Scorch, are far from OP and easily crippled by neuts/TDs. T1 long range ammo obviously needs fixing, though.

Since when T1 ammo is base for balance? -because my hybrids ammo would like to have a talk with Fozzie and ask him what does he think about T1 projectile ammo, the number of useless T1 hybrid ammo and why the feck this or that ammo gets more or less capacitor from your ship using guns that already use cap on activation...??? WTF??

- rocket range being too high
- rocket explosion radius being far too low

They'll be gone soon. Sorry.