Which ones, if I may ask, now that they will be gone soon, anyway?

Let's play open-hand misere.

You're in a wormhole. ....
So for people like James Amril-Kesh and myself, the question is: are CCP deliberately removing this feature because they feel that our current abilities are overpowered, or are they bulls let loose in the china shop?

*Snipped*

Of course CCP could just come out and tell us that with this expansion they had the design intent of removing the ability to filter sites and possibly identify them by signal strength, and we'd accept their decision to remove DSPs, etc. In the meantime it looks like they have removed DSPs because they don't understand how the players actually play the game (remembering the great nullsec nerf of FanFest 2011 for a classic example).

So for people like James Amril-Kesh and myself, the question is: are CCP deliberately removing this feature because they feel that our current abilities are overpowered, or are they bulls let loose in the china shop?

Given that Fanfest didn't even have a WH round table to start with, I suspect it's because very few, if any of CCP are based within a wormhole and use the mechanics you're talking about.

No nostalgia here as I'm new but in the current system they're just more "hidden" and they take a bit more work to find them which I like as that means it feels a bit special and you're actually looking for "lost treasure". The new system is just much more obvious about it, it's a lot easier and removes a bit of the "profession specialisation" idea. I know that all sounds a bit vague but perception is reality; the new system makes it feel a lot more like chaining missions.

+1

There is an overzealousnouss at work here to make things more accessible, ruining the finer art of probing EVE Online in the process.

on the plus side actually scanning is way less swear inducing.

Unless you use advanced(unique) probing techniques, then its even more so.

Let's play open-hand misere.

You're in a wormhole. You're doing stuff. You want to make sure other people don't catch you by surprise. If you spam D-scan at 360-¦ you will catch people as they warp into your site. But you can catch people earlier than this!

If you have DSPs, you can deploy one (and only one) DSP and monitor signature strength. If someone probes out a wormhole into your system, this will show up because K162 wormholes have a different signature strength to (for all intents and purposes in this discussion) every other signature you will find.

This works for DSPs but not a constellation of core or combat scanner probes. The catch is that DSPs have a very low signal strength and a very high range. This means that regardless of where a signature appears in your 256 radius sphere of detection, a K162 will show up as about 0.27% signal strength.

With core or combat probes, you have a much higher signal strength which means that that K162 really close to your probe will look like a 1% signal strength while far away it will be a 0.2% signal strength. As such, core and combat probes are not as effective as an early warning system: all you can see is that something changed. You don't know whether this is a new signature such as a grav site (well, after Odyssey there will be no grav sites, but work with me here) or a K162.

So whlie CCP Soundwave's idea of a constellation of core/combat probes has some merit in terms of replacing part of the functionality of the DSP early warning system, it only does half the job.

Of course CCP could just come out and tell us that with this expansion they had the design intent of removing the ability to filter sites and possibly identify them by signal strength, and we'd accept their decision to remove DSPs, etc. In the meantime it looks like they have removed DSPs because they don't understand how the players actually play the game (remembering the great nullsec nerf of FanFest 2011 for a classic example).

So for people like James Amril-Kesh and myself, the question is: are CCP deliberately removing this feature because they feel that our current abilities are overpowered, or are they bulls let loose in the china shop?

CCP then, a week before the expansion, removes the signal strength display in the scanner and the overlay based on some perceived issue that nobody had complained about, significantly reducing the scanning functionality once again.

Could it be possible that CCP didn't want people to be able to pull this off or the cherry picking scenario? Dosen't being able to identify what will be there after a single scan counter intuitive to what exploring should be?

actually pinpointing stuff is way better (imo) you control the formation not individual probes and it's much easier to judge if you're centered without swinging the angle around excessively. or finding the focus getting stuck on celestials and having to click off in space.

it takes a little while to get used to it, I maybe played for an hour on sisi.

And less than chaining anoms, which doesn't require scanning of any kind apart from "press butan, receive warpin".

Those are getting a nerf/challange buff.

I can't understand why DSPs were removed. I suppose 'cherry-picking' sites in hisec might be seen as a problem, but stopping T3s from going into DEDs in hisec fixes that anyway.

Could it be possible that CCP didn't want people to be able to pull this off or the cherry picking scenario? Dosen't being able to identify what will be there after a single scan counter intuitive to what exploring should be?

It is clear that being able to read distinct site categories from a readymade table via Deep Space probes, i.e pouring soup through a colander leaving only the chunky bits behind without much thought or effort, was never "working as intended".

The extra effort we have to go through now is decisevely mitigated with ready made formations, new scan modules, buffs to the Astrometrics skill and being able to launch all probes at once (boy how I ever hated to launch those individually for no good reason at all).