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mavrick1 Siskiyou county mining llc 2	Posted - 2011.10.21 05:07:00 - [1] - Quote well like a lot of people in this game i am just a poor miner and trying to scratch a living out of the rocks and yet there are ganking fleets out there trying to kill us and really people like goonswarm that prey on the miners and they have a voice but we as miners are forced to just sit back and take it and say can i have some more please.....but really i my self stay out of null sec and low sec and i mine in high sec so i pay a high price for the harder to get ores and things....but i chose to keep my prices low so i can sell but if i do get ganked i will be forced to raise my price and thus raise the price game wide and really i do not want that it slows my sales down and i lose money granted i would lose more if i got ganked but over time the sales loss adds up and i can not afford the loose and all i am asking is give a miner a voice some of us are not carebears but we do not like fight or deal with wars unless we are selling on the market to the people who fight that war we are sided with no one and we refuse to take sides in a war all we ask is a voice and to be left alone to our rocks and ice
The Mittani GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1357	Posted - 2011.10.21 06:00:00 - [2] - Quote The poor miner will get a voice when the poor miner discovers paragraphs.
mavrick1 Siskiyou county mining llc 2	Posted - 2011.10.21 06:06:00 - [3] - Quote The Mittani wrote: The poor miner will get a voice when the poor miner discovers paragraphs. well i do know them really well i just been writing papers all day and essays too and i took a break from it on the thread so lol but for the most part it is just a rant and some what of a speech
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 677	Posted - 2011.10.21 10:06:00 - [4] - Quote mavrick1 wrote: The Mittani wrote: The poor miner will get a voice when the poor miner discovers paragraphs. well i do know them really well i just been writing papers all day and essays too and i took a break from it on the thread so lol but for the most part it is just a rant and some what of a speech Punctuation and capitalisation are also mandatory requirements for voice. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Trebor Daehdoow Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1010	Posted - 2011.10.21 10:09:00 - [5] - Quote The gankers don't care if your costs are going up, they are in it for your tears. In the short term, you concentrate on not giving them those tears. In the long term, you and your buddies vote in the elections for candidates who support your interests and who have a good shot at being elected. There are some, for example, who support reforms to the Insurance Industry. CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism! CSM 6 Activities Summary \| My CSM blog
Mallak Azaria Hole Plunderer's 14	Posted - 2011.10.21 10:14:00 - [6] - Quote Am I the only one that has noticed that all the people complaining about the current CSM members are the same people who preach about how they have never voted?
Darius III Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD. 260	Posted - 2011.10.21 11:14:00 - [7] - Quote I have been working closely with the mining community in a stealthy way as not to ruin my ganking reputation. I support a War on Ganking similar to the war on drugs; with a catchy slogan "Just say no to suicide ganking". Try hugs not ganks. Theres even a D.A.R.E. program. D. drilling A. assaying R. refining E. extracting Look forward to more stunning content from the Darius III official CSM7 campaign website. Goons MUST BE STOPPED Ganking is just plain wrong. http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=6_34&page=3 If Women aren't supposed to do the cooking, why are their bodies full of milk and eggs?
Mai Khumm Shockwave Innovations 5	Posted - 2011.10.21 11:42:00 - [8] - Quote Most ores come from bots in null sec, just ask any major alliance. cough cough goonswarm cough cough
Red Templar Free Space Tech 11	Posted - 2011.10.21 13:34:00 - [9] - Quote Poor miner will never get a voice. Rich miner on the other hand... Welcome to capitalism, buddy For Love. For Peace. For Honor. For None of the Above. For Pony!
David Carel Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 68	Posted - 2011.10.21 13:45:00 - [10] - Quote The miners will get a voice when they let themselves be podded repeatedly without upgrading their clone. Until they have 900k SP.

Samillian Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos 15	Posted - 2011.10.21 13:56:00 - [11] - Quote Darius III wrote: I have been working closely with the mining community in a stealthy way as not to ruin my ganking reputation. Blown that then haven't you.
Marakesha All Your Machariel Belong to Ham 0	Posted - 2011.10.22 11:49:00 - [12] - Quote Samillian wrote: Darius III wrote: I have been working closely with the mining community in a stealthy way as not to ruin my ganking reputation. Blown that then haven't you. Pretty sure he is trolling.. I DO love the DARE thing though :D
SMT008 Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation 138	Posted - 2011.10.22 14:18:00 - [13] - Quote Mai Khumm wrote: Most ores come from bots in null sec, just ask any major alliance. cough cough goonswarm cough cough If you manage to find a single mining barge in Deklein, hats of to you, and tell me where it is, I want to blow it up. If you're whining about ores coming from nullsec bots, then you're looking at drone regions. We don't waste time looting and salvaging stuff from regular rats, bounties are just fine. In Drone regions, what you loot are compounds. You are recquired to loot and reprocess those things and sell them in order to get something out of it. And that's where all the ore come from. Because a Drone Horde (Basically, it's a sanctum with rogue drones instead of regular pirates) takes around 30mn to complete with a decent PVE boat. 30mns, and you get something like 25M or 30M worth of minerals. Basically, 50M/H worth of minerals. Per bot. That's why mining is worthless now. Because 50M worth of minerals equals to about 25M Tritanium. How many hulks does it requires to gather 25M tritanium in one hour ? I'm not an industrial guy, but my guess is => Way too many.
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 79	Posted - 2011.10.22 15:39:00 - [14] - Quote mavrick1 wrote: well like a lot of people in this game i am just a poor miner and trying to scratch a living out of the rocks and yet there are ganking fleets out there trying to kill us and really people like goonswarm that prey on the miners and they have a voice but we as miners are forced to just sit back and take it and say can i have some more please I think we have found the single character in EVE who got a "Miner" label stamped on its forehead at character creation, and is now forever banned from training any skill outside of the Industry category, and flying anything other than a barge. Therefore he is forced to sit back and take it. Unlike the other 300,000 characters who are able to actually go do something else when what they see that what they used to be doing is no longer profitable.
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 4	Posted - 2011.10.22 16:10:00 - [15] - Quote The tears of miners fuel my ship, besides looking at the Goon offers on hulks and other ORE ships in Gallente high sec makes me want to move a suicide alt up there.
Sphincter Twoknuckle Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.10.22 19:27:00 - [16] - Quote Well my fellow miner I am afraid to say we will never have a vioce. Eve has been won and not by us. I have lost almost everything this past month in game, maybe I need to L2P but I dont really care. Actually I like to thank these guys. I have found something new for me. Perpetuum it is called, look it up. It has many the same features as eve but some really interesting anti greifing mechanics as well. Flagged pvp in there high sec areas (dont want to be ganked turn it off and you cannot be attacked) but also the open pvp eve offers in the low sec areas. You can mine in piece with out the risk of lossing your shirt. This is a sandbox you can play as you like as long as its pvp. Anyway this will be my last toon created and I am off to have some FUN elsewhere. Eve is a greifers paradise let them have it. There is nothing left for me. I will be watching to see the subs hit an all time high when EVE: Goonswarm edition drops. Good luck and try and have some fun, thats what games are all about. o/
Helena Russell Makanen Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 9	Posted - 2011.10.22 20:15:00 - [17] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Am I the only one that has noticed that all the people complaining about the current CSM members are the same people who preach about how they have never voted? Actually no. Where are 'all these people' complaining about the CSM while saying they don't vote? Certainly none in the thread you posted that in lol. Stretching too far to make some point kind of negates it utterly.
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 4	Posted - 2011.10.22 20:57:00 - [18] - Quote Sphincter Twoknuckle wrote: Well my fellow miner I am afraid to say we will never have a vioce. Eve has been won and not by us. I have lost almost everything this past month in game, maybe I need to L2P but I dont really care. Actually I like to thank these guys. I have found something new for me. Perpetuum it is called, look it up. It has many the same features as eve but some really interesting anti greifing mechanics as well. Flagged pvp in there high sec areas (dont want to be ganked turn it off and you cannot be attacked) but also the open pvp eve offers in the low sec areas. You can mine in piece with out the risk of lossing your shirt. This is a sandbox you can play as you like as long as its pvp. Anyway this will be my last toon created and I am off to have some FUN elsewhere. Eve is a greifers paradise let them have it. There is nothing left for me. I will be watching to see the subs hit an all time high when EVE: Goonswarm edition drops. Good luck and try and have some fun, thats what games are all about. o/ Can i have your stuff?
Takara Mora University of Caille Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.10.22 22:03:00 - [19] - Quote Sphincter Twoknuckle wrote: Well my fellow miner I am afraid to say we will never have a vioce. Eve has been won and not by us. I have lost almost everything this past month in game, maybe I need to L2P but I dont really care. Actually I like to thank these guys. I have found something new for me. Perpetuum it is called, look it up. It has many the same features as eve but some really interesting anti greifing mechanics as well. Flagged pvp in there high sec areas (dont want to be ganked turn it off and you cannot be attacked) but also the open pvp eve offers in the low sec areas. You can mine in piece with out the risk of lossing your shirt. This is a sandbox you can play as you like as long as its pvp. Anyway this will be my last toon created and I am off to have some FUN elsewhere. Eve is a greifers paradise let them have it. There is nothing left for me. I will be watching to see the subs hit an all time high when EVE: Goonswarm edition drops. Good luck and try and have some fun, thats what games are all about. o/ EVE: Goonswarm Edition & "Sandbox as long as it's PvP only" --> classic :) It's not really too hard to keep from getting ganked in Hisec though, so yeah, OP, HTFU a bit ... On a serious note ... I do seem to hear the "Hardcore PvP Advocates" often claiming EVE is strictly a PvP game, meant only for PvP, and the only REAL EVE is PvP EVE, so everyone else should just HTFU or go home .... Real question though ... could EVE (or any game for that matter) really survive as a strictly 100% PvP game (including real isk losses upon death/ship loss of course)? This would mean basically, new player undocks and can immediately be shot everwhere ... Or would the game simply stagnate and implode due to older players preying upon the new? Or from not appealing to a wide enough player base ...
Phill Esteen Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.10.22 22:08:00 - [20] - Quote Takara Mora wrote: This would mean basically, new player undocks and can immediately be shot everwhere ... After a new player undocks they can immediately be shot anywhere. Though I believe griefing in the starter systems is frowned upon.

Nor Mantis New Omicron Ordo Oculus 1	Posted - 2011.10.22 23:50:00 - [21] - Quote Takara Mora wrote: Real question though ... could EVE (or any game for that matter) really survive as a strictly 100% PvP game Not in a million years, not a sandbox anyways. I agree HTFU but here is some tips for you. If you have the cash put a mining ship in different ice/mining belt systems in different races systems, eg one in galent, caldari, mini, and amarr space. Then add Mr Mittani's alliance to your contact list, you can do it from the forums even, and flag them as bad. Then blow your local window up big so you can see a large chunk if not all the people in local. If Mr Mittani enters the system in his big bad Brutix you will see him and hopefully doc up before he ganks you. Then move to a different system you have a mining barge at. Leave the system in your pod or shuttle very hard to lock and NEVER auto pilot. Also keep your drones out and set them to protect or aggressive. (Get combat drone of any kind, does not matter the skill level just have in space) If they gank you then your drones should have enough time to do atleat do bit of damage to them before Concorde gets them. Then you can show your buddies you killed Mr Mittani with your mining ship because you will get a nice killmail. Alot of gankers are killmail whores and will not like that blemish on there killboard. Remember one golden rule I say to all the new indy guys in our corp. Make them bored, that is your best weapon. DonGÇÖt talk to them dock up and go afk if they get bored they will leave and 99% of the pvpers have an attention span the size of a walnut. It will not be long till they are bored and an gone back to 0.0. You are a miner you have the power to outlast them hell you sit in front of the rock for hours. Use that patients as your weapon. BORE THEM TO DEATH and you will always win and get many tear in the prossess. Boo Hoo undock already LOL I hate seeing people leave the game when the most important thing we can do for eve right now is attract and KEEP new players. I hope this little advice helps you. Remember this kind of drama you will not see in any other MMO and that is what makes eve special. It is worth playing but you need to play smart.
C4LYP50 Solarwind Interstellar Mining and Production Ltd 2	Posted - 2011.10.23 06:51:00 - [22] - Quote They can have a voice when they start fitting for tank, instead of max mining yield. While I certainly feel a Hulk buff is warranted, I also think they should be forbade in any system above .5. Sound like a good compromise? Edit: Actually, that seems a little one sided. How about this? T2 strip miners cannot be activated, in systems above .5 sec status. Better?
mavrick1 Siskiyou county mining llc 2	Posted - 2011.10.23 06:55:00 - [23] - Quote well if goon feels that ganking other players is fun what would happen if because players stopped playing the game and losing money on the game then what would happen i mean it is the fact that i feel that the actions of the goons could cost ccp alot in the long run
SMT008 Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation 144	Posted - 2011.10.23 10:25:00 - [24] - Quote mavrick1 wrote: well if goon feels that ganking other players is fun what would happen if because players stopped playing the game and losing money on the game then what would happen i mean it is the fact that i feel that the actions of the goons could cost ccp alot in the long run OR YOU COULD MINE IN MINMATAR/AMARR SPACE It's a location based interdiction guys. If you think that tanking your ship/Remoterepping/Watching local/paying attention to your overview is too hard for you, fear not, you can also MINE SOMEWHERE ELSE, somewhere that is free of evil goonswarm members. If you just keep mining stubbornly in a Gallente region, without tanking your ship, without remote rep ships, without watching local and without checking your overview for strange ships, you just deserve to die, simple as that. Now I'm gonna quote myself again, just to make sure every poor miner have a chance to read it : Quote: OR YOU COULD MINE IN MINMATAR/AMARR SPACE
Darius III Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD. 299	Posted - 2011.10.23 10:32:00 - [25] - Quote The Mittani wrote: The poor miner will get a voice when the poor miner discovers paragraphs. This is quite likely the best answer post on Eve-O of all time If Women aren't supposed to do the cooking, why are their bodies full of milk and eggs?
Khazarn Areth The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance 5	Posted - 2011.10.23 11:34:00 - [26] - Quote SMT008 wrote: mavrick1 wrote: well if goon feels that ganking other players is fun what would happen if because players stopped playing the game and losing money on the game then what would happen i mean it is the fact that i feel that the actions of the goons could cost ccp alot in the long run OR YOU COULD MINE IN MINMATAR/AMARR SPACE It's a location based interdiction guys. If you think that tanking your ship/Remoterepping/Watching local/paying attention to your overview is too hard for you, fear not, you can also MINE SOMEWHERE ELSE, somewhere that is free of evil goonswarm members. If you just keep mining stubbornly in a Gallente region, without tanking your ship, without remote rep ships, without watching local and without checking your overview for strange ships, you just deserve to die, simple as that. Now I'm gonna quote myself again, just to make sure every poor miner have a chance to read it : Quote: OR YOU COULD MINE IN MINMATAR/AMARR SPACE Obvious answer to this whole thing, if you look through the forums you will find out that Goons are only offering bounties in Gallente high sec, and Caldari soon if im not mistaken? If you dont want to lose your precious ORE ship then move.
Takara Mora University of Caille Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2011.10.23 15:07:00 - [27] - Quote Obvious answer .... Hisec Carebears should simply start cancelling their subs ... until CCP removes insurance payouts for gankships ... oh, wait, that's what they're already doing in droves .... If CCP were smart they would simply allow people to "unflag themselves for PvP" in hisec, like all the other (growing rather than shrinking) MMO's, so we would stop losing valuable noob subs. I realize this isn't attractive to those who somehow find pleasure in tormenting noobs .... but that's what losec and nullsec are for anyway.
Princess Cellestia Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore 68	Posted - 2011.10.23 21:15:00 - [28] - Quote TEST might be giving you a candidate who not only spent months doing highsec ice and ore mining, but nullsec mining and industry. A candidate who actually knows that mining and industry are not relegated to just one region. That all regions are garbage and need to be buffed. A candidate who thinks 20k ehp on a hulk is goddamn ********. But that's just a maybe.
Venus Vermillion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 71	Posted - 2011.10.23 22:45:00 - [29] - Quote Takara Mora wrote: Obvious answer .... Hisec Carebears should simply start cancelling their subs ... until CCP removes insurance payouts for gankships ... oh, wait, that's what they're already doing in droves .... If CCP were smart they would simply allow people to "unflag themselves for PvP" in hisec, like all the other (growing rather than shrinking) MMO's, so we would stop losing valuable noob subs. I realize this isn't attractive to those who somehow find pleasure in tormenting noobs .... but that's what losec and nullsec are for anyway. I have an original idea for you... Go play one of those "growing rather than shrinking" MMOs instead of this one. Oh, and post there instead of here. Blizzard would love to take your money for every half-finished expansion they put out and they especially love people like you who will spend hundreds of hours pressing the same button to kill the same monster thousands of times like a chicken pecking a button to get feed.
mavrick1 Siskiyou county mining llc 2	Posted - 2011.10.23 23:02:00 - [30] - Quote Venus Vermillion wrote: Takara Mora wrote: Obvious answer .... Hisec Carebears should simply start cancelling their subs ... until CCP removes insurance payouts for gankships ... oh, wait, that's what they're already doing in droves .... If CCP were smart they would simply allow people to "unflag themselves for PvP" in hisec, like all the other (growing rather than shrinking) MMO's, so we would stop losing valuable noob subs. I realize this isn't attractive to those who somehow find pleasure in tormenting noobs .... but that's what losec and nullsec are for anyway. I have an original idea for you... Go play one of those "growing rather than shrinking" MMOs instead of this one. Oh, and post there instead of here. Blizzard would love to take your money for every half-finished expansion they put out and they especially love people like you who will spend hundreds of hours pressing the same button to kill the same monster thousands of times like a chicken pecking a button to get feed. well right now i just enjoy doing missions and not getting shot at so just have fun i am not one to give up on a game as of yet



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