The loot scattering is fun though nd an interesting way of incentivsing group play and not really letting multiboxing be a substitute.

The hacking game is better than what we have now however it also has room for improvement. Collecting the loot is an entirely different story, let's just say it's more frustrating than fun.

The mini game is interesting has room for expansion but needs some more balancing. The scatter mechanics are anti-joy.

Also the whole idea of trying to incentivise group looting in a generally non group activity(exploration) seems logically backwards.

You see collecting the loot is not fun because you can't take all of it for yourself. I want all the loot, screw everyone else. Make it rare too.

not fun because you can't take all of it for yourself

exactly. who the eff explores in a group? "why, yes...i'd love to share the loot i scanned down while you sat in your ship with your thumb up your ass. capital idea!"

That's why they changed it?

There's more loot in the spew containers than you would have got before.

The hacking should be the group activity then and not just the clean up.

Shared effort, shared success, shared reward. That's what teamwork means. Not one person doing all the work and the rest getting paid for sitting around.

I don't see how trying to click little green dots is considered fun, but to each his own. Also the whole idea of trying to incentivise group looting in a generally non group activity(exploration) seems logically backwards.

Ask yourself: why is it generally a non-group activity? Could it be because the only effect of doing it as a group is less rewards for everyone? It seems entirely logical to me to try to incentivise group play in anything, because if it doesn't work like that right now, it's probably because it's poorly designed.

Ask yourself: why is it generally a non-group activity? Could it be because the only effect of doing it as a group is less rewards for everyone? It seems entirely logical to me to try to incentivise group play in anything, because if it doesn't work like that right now, it's probably because it's poorly designed.

While I agree with your sentiment, I think it is highly illogical to introduce shared gameplay now when what really attracted alot of explorers into that field was because it was a solo activity.

While I agree with your sentiment, I think it is highly illogical to introduce shared gameplay now when what really attracted alot of explorers into that field was because it was a solo activity.

It's a non-group activity because it takes 1 person to scan 1 person to hack, and with no rats or any defense there really is no co-op aspect to it. Adding in group activity in looting doesn't promote co-op, it promotes people waiting around for someone else to do every thing and then get loot.

I spent a few hours doing data/relic sites on SiSi over the weekend.

Generally speaking, I seemed to be able to grab about 75% of the cans myself, which seemed to yield a quantity of loot that is at LEAST equivalent to what I would get on TQ.

The impression that I was left with is that I can continue to explore solo without depriving myself of anything that I am currently getting from solo exploration.

I am content with this, because I am not a whiny *****.

Did you find a Integrity Relic in one of those cans?

GǪand now those tasks can be parallelised without people losing money over it.

Loot distribution is irrelevant when it comes to promoting group play, WHs prove that.

Saying that the pinata sets the framework for further development on group activity in profession sites, is why it is backwards logic.

GǪand if that's what attracted them, then it still will do that since the solo activity part is not being changed.

GǪand now those tasks can be parallelised without people losing money over it.

Did you find a Integrity Relic in one of those cans? All I'm asking for is quality features to be pushed out not ones that seemed rushed and that no one even asked for. There are literally dozens of features currently in Eve that need love much more than exploration, why choose one that there wasn't even an uproar about.

[Except they can't - they have to be done in serial as everyone involved has to be at each site for the end of the mini-game. i.e. the rest of the group sitting bored while one person gets the fun mini-game then everyone gets to play the stupid bit.

While I agree with your sentiment, I think it is highly illogical to introduce shared gameplay now when what really attracted alot of explorers into that field was because it was a solo activity.

Since you're implying that some part of what I said is fabricated or untrue, please, be a doll and go into detail.

I could use a good chuckle, and few things are quite so amusing as watching some entitled little **** defend their manufactured outrage.

I'm looking at the bright side of it. All these people quitting exploration means more income for the rest of us. It's all win.

Ask yourself: why is it generally a non-group activity? Could it be because the only effect of doing it as a group is less rewards for everyone? It seems entirely logical to me to try to incentivise group play in anything, because if it doesn't work like that right now, it's probably because it's poorly designed.

Then I suppose they should just make sites with harder rats... oh wait.

GǪand while waiting around there (hell, even while being fleet-warped there), they can look around for other stuff. There's no need for them to just sit around and be bored.

You see collecting the loot is not fun because you can't take all of it for yourself. I want all the loot, screw everyone else. Make it rare too.