EVE Search - New drones, modules and what not

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Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:15:00 - [1] Im a little bit cheesed off with this tbh. Drones as they are have problems but this complete re-write of the drone system will screw me over big style. 5 drones? meh whats the point. No versatility whatsoever. 10% Thermal dmg bonus? Meh may aswell chuck my ishtar in the bin. so basically i fly around with 5 drones that are slow as hell, do dmg that is the most tanked dmg in the game. w00t for 1 dmg type. I believe this is the reason for changing caldari bonus to all missiles rather than kinetic? The dominix will benefit from it greatly however, as it can carry a wide range of drones. The ishtar can too of course, but it has zero dmg output other than its drones, unlike the dominix, which can use 6 large guns. The ishtar can use 3 medium. w00t. Thats the ishtar effectively nerfed to buggery. Heres a proposal, tweak the numbers but keep the dominix/ishtar/vexor/arb +1 drone control, so they can field 10 drones. They are still the drone carriers after all. Atleast give them some more flexibility in what they can field. 5 drones with a thermal dmg bonus is ghey. Change it to a 5% drone dmg bonus if you really have to. Dont limit them to 1 dmg type I can see what you are aiming for though and the original proposal, though flawed, does show potential, such as a rax using 5 medium webber drones to free up a mid slot for a cap injector and stuff like that. I do like the idea, but the implentation so far sucks. Please dont screw my gallente ships over with ghey thermal dmg bonii. My Latest Vid: Linky
Eyeshadow Caldari The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:15:00 - [2] Im a little bit cheesed off with this tbh. Drones as they are have problems but this complete re-write of the drone system will screw me over big style. 5 drones? meh whats the point. No versatility whatsoever. 10% Thermal dmg bonus? Meh may aswell chuck my ishtar in the bin. so basically i fly around with 5 drones that are slow as hell, do dmg that is the most tanked dmg in the game. w00t for 1 dmg type. I believe this is the reason for changing caldari bonus to all missiles rather than kinetic? The dominix will benefit from it greatly however, as it can carry a wide range of drones. The ishtar can too of course, but it has zero dmg output other than its drones, unlike the dominix, which can use 6 large guns. The ishtar can use 3 medium. w00t. Thats the ishtar effectively nerfed to buggery. Heres a proposal, tweak the numbers but keep the dominix/ishtar/vexor/arb +1 drone control, so they can field 10 drones. They are still the drone carriers after all. Atleast give them some more flexibility in what they can field. 5 drones with a thermal dmg bonus is ghey. Change it to a 5% drone dmg bonus if you really have to. Dont limit them to 1 dmg type I can see what you are aiming for though and the original proposal, though flawed, does show potential, such as a rax using 5 medium webber drones to free up a mid slot for a cap injector and stuff like that. I do like the idea, but the implentation so far sucks. Please dont screw my gallente ships over with ghey thermal dmg bonii.
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:35:00 - [3] Originally by: Nafri Your ishtar can still do its 314.1 DPS... that is totally tanked and with EW in mids... sorry, but are you insane to complain? My ishtar does, at present, about 280 DPS, and thats with interfacing 5 and hvy drones 4. Bit less than most HACs yes? Its versatility in dmg type + the fact i can run EW is what makes it good. With these changes, its effectively limited to Ogres, which suck in PVP due to them being slow and doing only thermal dmg. Yes i can still use EW, but my dmg is gonna suck. The only hope would be to max out all the skillz and prey that i can do enough thermal damage. Oh and hope i never bump into an eagle or cerberus either as i am effectively screwed if i do. No amount of EW is gonna save me when my 5 uber drones are hitting for 5 dmg a piece and i have nothing else with which to shoot with. I cant change dmg type like caldari can as i can only hold 5 heavy drones. What do you propose i do? Use harsh language (old i know but still good) Please look beyond pure figures for once Nafri. You are an intelligent person, but figures mean diddly squat where i come from. If i wanted pure DPS, id stick to my deimos but i know it sucks compared to my ishtar in proper PVP. An 800 tempest is better than a blasterthron even though its DPS is less. DPS is not the be all and end all of PVP. Stop trying to say it is Drone boats are awesome due to their vesatility. With these changes, thats basically removed and i dont want that to happen as the ishtar and dominix are amongst the most fun ships to fly due to the fact you can do lots of things with them My Latest Vid: Linky
Eyeshadow Caldari The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:35:00 - [4] Originally by: Nafri Your ishtar can still do its 314.1 DPS... that is totally tanked and with EW in mids... sorry, but are you insane to complain? My ishtar does, at present, about 280 DPS, and thats with interfacing 5 and hvy drones 4. Bit less than most HACs yes? Its versatility in dmg type + the fact i can run EW is what makes it good. With these changes, its effectively limited to Ogres, which suck in PVP due to them being slow and doing only thermal dmg. Yes i can still use EW, but my dmg is gonna suck. The only hope would be to max out all the skillz and prey that i can do enough thermal damage. Oh and hope i never bump into an eagle or cerberus either as i am effectively screwed if i do. No amount of EW is gonna save me when my 5 uber drones are hitting for 5 dmg a piece and i have nothing else with which to shoot with. I cant change dmg type like caldari can as i can only hold 5 heavy drones. What do you propose i do? Use harsh language (old i know but still good) Please look beyond pure figures for once Nafri. You are an intelligent person, but figures mean diddly squat where i come from. If i wanted pure DPS, id stick to my deimos but i know it sucks compared to my ishtar in proper PVP. An 800 tempest is better than a blasterthron even though its DPS is less. DPS is not the be all and end all of PVP. Stop trying to say it is Drone boats are awesome due to their vesatility. With these changes, thats basically removed and i dont want that to happen as the ishtar and dominix are amongst the most fun ships to fly due to the fact you can do lots of things with them
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:42:00 - [5] Originally by: Farjung Could you confirm that I understand this correctly? A dominix will have a 375 m^3 dronebay after the changes and be able to hold 15 heavy drones (or 10 heavy drones, 10 medium drones, 5 lights, or... etc.) while only being able to actually have 5 in space at any one time. Is that correct? Thats the way i read it m8 yeah. If this is correct the dual 250 gank domi is gonna be pretty uber, or the situation you described. Problem is, the ishtar will be screwed as it can only carry 5 heavy drones under this system. 5 ogres is gonna suck, regardless of their dmg output My Latest Vid: Linky
Eyeshadow Caldari The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Farjung Could you confirm that I understand this correctly? A dominix will have a 375 m^3 dronebay after the changes and be able to hold 15 heavy drones (or 10 heavy drones, 10 medium drones, 5 lights, or... etc.) while only being able to actually have 5 in space at any one time. Is that correct? Thats the way i read it m8 yeah. If this is correct the dual 250 gank domi is gonna be pretty uber, or the situation you described. Problem is, the ishtar will be screwed as it can only carry 5 heavy drones under this system. 5 ogres is gonna suck, regardless of their dmg output
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Nafri Just welcome in the world of "normal" ships, if you dont like thermal, you arent forced to use your bonus g Show me a minmatar ship, other than the stealth bombers that is limited to damage type? Minmatar ships have it best when it comes to damage types. Please dont try and qualify this nerf by saying its fair or whatever, cos it isnt. Originally by: Nafri and sorry, but ishtar is the 5/5/5 making it the most versatile HAC in the game... Yes it is versatile, but not just due to its slot layout. Its versatile cos it can chose its dmg and still do lots of other stuff. Same as a dominix can. Nerfing its drones to buggery, which is what this will do, will make the ishtar suck for anything other than being an expensive armor tanking ew boat, which it struggles at anyway due to its crap CPU and lack of EW bonuses. If i wanted EW id take a BB or a celestis over an ishtar BTW, the vagabond is a versatile boat too but you dont see my screaming for it to be nerfed do you? Lets be objective and keep all this "welcome to my world" crap out, cos the minmatar do not have it as bad as you try and make out My Latest Vid: Linky
Eyeshadow Caldari The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2005.10.31 15:47:00 - [8] Originally by: Nafri Just welcome in the world of "normal" ships, if you dont like thermal, you arent forced to use your bonus g Show me a minmatar ship, other than the stealth bombers that is limited to damage type? Minmatar ships have it best when it comes to damage types. Please dont try and qualify this nerf by saying its fair or whatever, cos it isnt. Originally by: Nafri and sorry, but ishtar is the 5/5/5 making it the most versatile HAC in the game... Yes it is versatile, but not just due to its slot layout. Its versatile cos it can chose its dmg and still do lots of other stuff. Same as a dominix can. Nerfing its drones to buggery, which is what this will do, will make the ishtar suck for anything other than being an expensive armor tanking ew boat, which it struggles at anyway due to its crap CPU and lack of EW bonuses. If i wanted EW id take a BB or a celestis over an ishtar BTW, the vagabond is a versatile boat too but you dont see my screaming for it to be nerfed do you? Lets be objective and keep all this "welcome to my world" crap out, cos the minmatar do not have it as bad as you try and make out
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:19:00 - [9] Originally by: NTRabbit You do realise that your Arbitrator can still fit explosive damage drones and just not get the bonus for them... much as my Cerberus can still fit missiles other than Scourges, and just not get the damage bonus for them? Except you can atleast change on the fly, us Gallente cant, and you lose 25% dmg, we lose 50%. w00t, see why its such a problem? Same thing to Jim Raynor. I dislike the Caldari kinetic only bonus as it makes them predictable, but atleast you can change dmg. We cant. And thermal damage < Kinetic damage aswell My Latest Vid: Linky
Eyeshadow Caldari The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:19:00 - [10] Originally by: NTRabbit You do realise that your Arbitrator can still fit explosive damage drones and just not get the bonus for them... much as my Cerberus can still fit missiles other than Scourges, and just not get the damage bonus for them? Except you can atleast change on the fly, us Gallente cant, and you lose 25% dmg, we lose 50%. w00t, see why its such a problem? Same thing to Jim Raynor. I dislike the Caldari kinetic only bonus as it makes them predictable, but atleast you can change dmg. We cant. And thermal damage < Kinetic damage aswell
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Nafri its just that gallante will finally also suffer when choosing damage, like matari and like caldari ES TEE EF EWE You have no idea what you are talking about. Caldari, only the kestrel/crow/cara/cerb are forced to choose dmg type to get high DPS. The rest of their ships have the same limitations of all other races, except the raven, which can choose whatever damage type it fancies and still gets full dmg. Probably the most versatile of ALL ships when choosing damage And then theres minmatar. All minmatar ships can chose their dmg type and get their bonuses as they are all ROF + DMG. Only race specific i can think of is breacher + stealth bomber, which arent exactly widely used, and when they are they get explosive dmg which is the best dmg in PVP imo. Please sort it out Nafri. Stop trying to make up false arguments to prove your points My Latest Vid: Linky
Eyeshadow Caldari The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Nafri its just that gallante will finally also suffer when choosing damage, like matari and like caldari ES TEE EF EWE You have no idea what you are talking about. Caldari, only the kestrel/crow/cara/cerb are forced to choose dmg type to get high DPS. The rest of their ships have the same limitations of all other races, except the raven, which can choose whatever damage type it fancies and still gets full dmg. Probably the most versatile of ALL ships when choosing damage And then theres minmatar. All minmatar ships can chose their dmg type and get their bonuses as they are all ROF + DMG. Only race specific i can think of is breacher + stealth bomber, which arent exactly widely used, and when they are they get explosive dmg which is the best dmg in PVP imo. Please sort it out Nafri. Stop trying to make up false arguments to prove your points
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Nafri its just that gallante will finally also suffer when choosing damage, like matari and like caldari ES TEE EF EWE You have no idea what you are talking about. Caldari, only the kestrel/crow/cara/cerb are forced to choose dmg type to get high DPS. The rest of their ships have the same limitations of all other races, except the raven, which can choose whatever damage type it fancies and still gets full dmg. Probably the most versatile of ALL ships when choosing damage And then theres minmatar. All minmatar ships can chose their dmg type and get their bonuses as they are all ROF + DMG. Only race specific i can think of is breacher + stealth bomber, which arent exactly widely used, and when they are they get explosive dmg which is the best dmg in PVP imo. Please sort it out Nafri. Stop trying to make up false arguments to prove your points Ammunition changing is no drawback? 10% less damage? DAMAGE DAMAGE DAMAGE. Do you ever think about anything else other than how much damage you can do? Id much rather do more dmg against my enemies weakest resist, than more damage against his strongest. And 10 seconds will be nothing in combat terms once dmg mods get nerfed As i said before, there is more to combat than how much DPS your ship can do on paper. Your attitude is exactly the problem with EVE combat atm. God help you when dmg mod stacking gets nerfed. What will you do with your ships when you cant fit a full rack of dmg mods and orgasm at your 5000 DPS or lack there of. Jeez, and i thought EVE was the thinking mans (or womans ) game My Latest Vid: Linky
Eyeshadow Caldari The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2005.10.31 16:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Nafri its just that gallante will finally also suffer when choosing damage, like matari and like caldari ES TEE EF EWE You have no idea what you are talking about. Caldari, only the kestrel/crow/cara/cerb are forced to choose dmg type to get high DPS. The rest of their ships have the same limitations of all other races, except the raven, which can choose whatever damage type it fancies and still gets full dmg. Probably the most versatile of ALL ships when choosing damage And then theres minmatar. All minmatar ships can chose their dmg type and get their bonuses as they are all ROF + DMG. Only race specific i can think of is breacher + stealth bomber, which arent exactly widely used, and when they are they get explosive dmg which is the best dmg in PVP imo. Please sort it out Nafri. Stop trying to make up false arguments to prove your points Ammunition changing is no drawback? 10% less damage? DAMAGE DAMAGE DAMAGE. Do you ever think about anything else other than how much damage you can do? Id much rather do more dmg against my enemies weakest resist, than more damage against his strongest. And 10 seconds will be nothing in combat terms once dmg mods get nerfed As i said before, there is more to combat than how much DPS your ship can do on paper. Your attitude is exactly the problem with EVE combat atm. God help you when dmg mod stacking gets nerfed. What will you do with your ships when you cant fit a full rack of dmg mods and orgasm at your 5000 DPS or lack there of. Jeez, and i thought EVE was the thinking mans (or womans ) game
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.10.31 17:34:00 - [15] Originally by: DrunkenOne PS: If it can still use 3 light drones, 3 webbing drones will make the taranis GODLY. Yeah it might just be able to challenge an autoclaw in a 1on1 then My Latest Vid: Linky
Eyeshadow Caldari The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2005.10.31 17:34:00 - [16] Originally by: DrunkenOne PS: If it can still use 3 light drones, 3 webbing drones will make the taranis GODLY. Yeah it might just be able to challenge an autoclaw in a 1on1 then
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.11.01 11:29:00 - [17] I'll tell ya what. I'll accept the 10% thermal drone dmg crap if you unnerf the grid of the dominix and ishtar, and the CPU of the ishtar so i can atleast fit some decent guns on them and have a useable setup around it. Having a gun boat (dominix) with less than 50% grid of a geddon is crap. And good luck fitting any guns with a useable fitting on an ishtar Un-nerf their grid/cpu and i will accept your crap thermal dmg bonus and complete nerf to their versatility. My Latest Vid: Linky
Eyeshadow Caldari The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2005.11.01 11:29:00 - [18] I'll tell ya what. I'll accept the 10% thermal drone dmg crap if you unnerf the grid of the dominix and ishtar, and the CPU of the ishtar so i can atleast fit some decent guns on them and have a useable setup around it. Having a gun boat (dominix) with less than 50% grid of a geddon is crap. And good luck fitting any guns with a useable fitting on an ishtar Un-nerf their grid/cpu and i will accept your crap thermal dmg bonus and complete nerf to their versatility.

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