EVE Search - New drones, modules and what not

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Hafthor Gallente The Fated	Posted - 2005.11.01 00:51:00 - [1] Ok.. I just have one grudge with this. Ok maybe two or three. Why have the very nice (although maybe a bit overpowered for PvP) drone bonuses been dropped for something-that-you-might-or-might-not-have-in-your-ship-bonus? What I mean is this, currently you get extra drones per level, but only two functions for drones, combat and mining. In the proposed changes you get extra damage to arguably the worst combat drones, fewer drones, and more drone types. Ships that previously were thought of as "drone boats" are seriously limited in their drone capacity and effectiveness. Why isn't it 10% per lvl to thermal dmg AND mining? Or just a simple range or speed bonus for all drone types along with the damage one? These are supposed to be drone specialty ships... and they specialize for a whole 10% extra effectivenss to a single type of drones? Even if drones will be harder to kill the fact remains that they CAN be killed, and they are comparatively short ranged. It seems to me that there are new things coming for drones but the supposed drone specialty of some ships is being removed at the same time. Gallente are supposed to have pretty much invented drones and then go and specialize in one type of damage and left it at that? Gallente were originally to be the EW guys, thats why Caldari have higher ECCM built into their ships, to DEFEND against Gallente EW superiority. Now the backstory of combat specialization gets even more ripped to pieces with Gallente drones being only marginally more menacing than any other races. And a skill that many have trained to lvl5 gets totally changed just like that? I don't think theres a precedent for that, is this going to be a trend? Screwing around with your character not just the ships and modules? Why does each race have to get a certain damage type as their own now? No sorry.. only two of the races are really affected by this to any extent by ship bonuses. What backstory reason is there for this? The Minmatar use mostly explosive and the Caldari kinetic? Isn't supposed to be the other way around? Since when do missiles do more kinetic damage than gun rounds? And lasers doing EM more than thermal? I would have thought lasers were hot rather than electrically charged.. now hybrids on the other hand are electrically charged and do mostly thermal? But really what is the reason for racial dmg type bonuses? Making them more predictable so it's easier to tank against them? Is this part of the plot to make combat last a bit longer? Why not see how the stacking rule change goes before burdening everyone with these STUPID bonuses that might be hard to remove because ppl have chosen their skill training to fit their common enemy. Please take a look at what this is doing to the integrity of the backstory some of us have come to like. I realize it's a damn game but this is just going to far, first Gallente lose EW then they lose drones and they had to fight to get blaster setups to be viable. And in what way are Gallente specifically good at defending against Caldari? The long range Caldari vs. short range Gallente thing is totally gone out the window. Gallente seem to have been the least balanced (read: thought out) ship type before launch and it is easy to see from the way their ship bonuses have been modified through the course of the game that something wasn't right and probably won't be after this either. People need to be able to trust that the skills they train for their favourite ship will not get totally changed when they finally get them to level five. -------------------------- "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"
Hafthor	Posted - 2005.11.01 15:58:00 - [2] How about this? Fix defenders. Fix dumbombs. Fix ECM bursts Fix various other stuff that has been ruined in "fixes" just like this one Add new stuff that will have to be fixed later. Alternatively you can just remove the drone specialty from any ship, change the drone skills as you see fit. But remember to balance the ships all over again because drones were a big part of their effectiveness. -------------------------- "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"
Hafthor Gallente The Fated	Posted - 2005.11.01 15:58:00 - [3] How about this? Fix defenders. Fix dumbombs. Fix ECM bursts Fix various other stuff that has been ruined in "fixes" just like this one Add new stuff that will have to be fixed later. Alternatively you can just remove the drone specialty from any ship, change the drone skills as you see fit. But remember to balance the ships all over again because drones were a big part of their effectiveness. -------------------------- "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"
Hafthor	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:05:00 - [4] Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: Kirtan Loor Already too many pages for me to check them all....I don't know if this is posted before but: I've Heavy Drones III, Drone int IV and Gal cruiser IV Ogre I's have 11 base dps Today: Vexor with 6 Ogre I's 11dps * 1.6(ogre) * 1.15 (Heavy Drones III) * 6 drones = 121.44 dps Beginning December: Vexor with 3 Ogre I's 11dps * 1.6(ogre) * 1.15 (HD III) * 1.8(DI IV) * 1.4(GC IV) * 3 = 153.01 dps I love using med drones on my vexor currently...swarming enemies with drones is just fun.....Putting 2 Heavies 2 Meds and 1 light gives also same dps in the new config. I don't want these changes....give me my swarm!!! Also...I used to put 13 mining drones on my vexor for mining. Now the mining output is reduced...Drone interfacing still makes up for some loss...I would like to see a change on mining yields for drone carrier ships. I'm not really against giving drone cruisers mining yield bonus. Dominix is a battleship and it just feels wrong that it has mining yield bonus. I suggested to TomB giving Moros a mining yield bonus and he started throwing stuff at me so I will definitly not do that. If battleships should never mine then why introduce the high risk mining of Mercoxit? Do you expect ppl to go out in a Scythe or Osprey to mine Mercoxit? And noone asked for mining dreadnoughts as far as I know. Some people in this thread are actually trying to point out to you very big flaws in your suggestions and you reward them by making fun of them? You would do well to stop taking it as a joke when you are screwing with players skill training. -------------------------- "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"
Hafthor Gallente The Fated	Posted - 2005.11.01 18:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: Kirtan Loor Already too many pages for me to check them all....I don't know if this is posted before but: I've Heavy Drones III, Drone int IV and Gal cruiser IV Ogre I's have 11 base dps Today: Vexor with 6 Ogre I's 11dps * 1.6(ogre) * 1.15 (Heavy Drones III) * 6 drones = 121.44 dps Beginning December: Vexor with 3 Ogre I's 11dps * 1.6(ogre) * 1.15 (HD III) * 1.8(DI IV) * 1.4(GC IV) * 3 = 153.01 dps I love using med drones on my vexor currently...swarming enemies with drones is just fun.....Putting 2 Heavies 2 Meds and 1 light gives also same dps in the new config. I don't want these changes....give me my swarm!!! Also...I used to put 13 mining drones on my vexor for mining. Now the mining output is reduced...Drone interfacing still makes up for some loss...I would like to see a change on mining yields for drone carrier ships. I'm not really against giving drone cruisers mining yield bonus. Dominix is a battleship and it just feels wrong that it has mining yield bonus. I suggested to TomB giving Moros a mining yield bonus and he started throwing stuff at me so I will definitly not do that. If battleships should never mine then why introduce the high risk mining of Mercoxit? Do you expect ppl to go out in a Scythe or Osprey to mine Mercoxit? And noone asked for mining dreadnoughts as far as I know. Some people in this thread are actually trying to point out to you very big flaws in your suggestions and you reward them by making fun of them? You would do well to stop taking it as a joke when you are screwing with players skill training. -------------------------- "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"

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