EVE Search - New drones, modules and what not

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Hakera	Posted - 2005.10.31 21:52:00 - [1] Edited by: Hakera on 31/10/2005 21:52:50 I did a very crude dps analysis of domi vs typhoon vs armageddon using base stats with the following assumptions: BS lvl V, Drone interfacing IV, Typhoon had a crude addition equiv to 4cruise launchers firing em cruise at shields and explosive at armour (18.944base resist) to its dps. Drone dps for 'other dps' was figured against explosive resist Summary Results: Vs shield:* Dominix using 6Large Ion Blasters & Thermal drones: 292.58* Dominix using 6Large Ion Blasters & EM drones: 278.50* Dominix using 6Large Ion Blasters & Explosive drones: 170.92* Typhoon using 4Duel 650mm Proj, 4cruise missiles (EM) & thermal drones: 270.63 Armageddon using 7megapulse & thermal drones: 297.24* vs Armour: Dominix using 6Large Ion Blasters & Thermal drones: 260.69* Dominix using 6Large Ion Blasters & EM drones: 159.05* Dominix using 6Large Ion Blasters & Explosive drones: 264.65* Typhoon using 4Duel 650mm Proj, 4cruise missiles (EXP) & thermal drones: 228.47 Armageddon using 7megapulse & thermal drones: 190.49* spreadsheet Obviously this is a very crude analysis comparing base ammo dmg, ship bonus and turret stats, base resists with drone dps only. Couple of points to remember, only the dominix will be able to carry up to 15 heavy drones which means ultimatly you can swap your damage types wheras the typhoon only has limited extra capacity 8 heavy drones and the armageddon has none (6 heavy drones). I think the main point here is that whilst you lose direct dmg, even post drone nerf using base stats and likely drone loadout you wont be that badly off especially considering the effect of the new additional drones to your arsenel. Whilst micromanaging 5 at a time and swapping effectivelly could be a challenge, assuming ccp fixes the drone return to hold inline with increased drone speeds as well. I think and believe a mix of ewar and dmg drones will probably leave you more versitile than any other bs out there under many scenarios. Just my 2 cents. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2005.10.31 21:52:00 - [2] Edited by: Hakera on 31/10/2005 21:52:50 I did a very crude dps analysis of domi vs typhoon vs armageddon using base stats with the following assumptions: BS lvl V, Drone interfacing IV, Typhoon had a crude addition equiv to 4cruise launchers firing em cruise at shields and explosive at armour (18.944base resist) to its dps. Drone dps for 'other dps' was figured against explosive resist Summary Results: Vs shield:* Dominix using 6Large Ion Blasters & Thermal drones: 292.58* Dominix using 6Large Ion Blasters & EM drones: 278.50* Dominix using 6Large Ion Blasters & Explosive drones: 170.92* Typhoon using 4Duel 650mm Proj, 4cruise missiles (EM) & thermal drones: 270.63 Armageddon using 7megapulse & thermal drones: 297.24* vs Armour: Dominix using 6Large Ion Blasters & Thermal drones: 260.69* Dominix using 6Large Ion Blasters & EM drones: 159.05* Dominix using 6Large Ion Blasters & Explosive drones: 264.65* Typhoon using 4Duel 650mm Proj, 4cruise missiles (EXP) & thermal drones: 228.47 Armageddon using 7megapulse & thermal drones: 190.49* spreadsheet Obviously this is a very crude analysis comparing base ammo dmg, ship bonus and turret stats, base resists with drone dps only. Couple of points to remember, only the dominix will be able to carry up to 15 heavy drones which means ultimatly you can swap your damage types wheras the typhoon only has limited extra capacity 8 heavy drones and the armageddon has none (6 heavy drones). I think the main point here is that whilst you lose direct dmg, even post drone nerf using base stats and likely drone loadout you wont be that badly off especially considering the effect of the new additional drones to your arsenel. Whilst micromanaging 5 at a time and swapping effectivelly could be a challenge, assuming ccp fixes the drone return to hold inline with increased drone speeds as well. I think and believe a mix of ewar and dmg drones will probably leave you more versitile than any other bs out there under many scenarios. Just my 2 cents.
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2005.10.31 22:12:00 - [3] Edited by: Hakera on 31/10/2005 22:12:23 Originally by: Justin Thyme This just basicly halfs my drone mining ablitly unless i want to train skills that were high enough before this. 33% technically, with DI V, you get 10 drone equiv, as opposed to current 15.
Hakera	Posted - 2005.10.31 22:44:00 - [4] Edited by: Hakera on 31/10/2005 22:45:16 Originally by: Wieland II Do i get this right? The current combat drones will be replaced with sentrys. no, regular drones, stay, sentry, ewar drones etc are new optional drones. Quote: if gallente get their drones destroyed, they are screwed now following on from my first post here <-- see for crude dps stats with drones under new changes Stats without drones: (vs shield) Dominix with 6large ion blasters: 102.50* Typhoon using 4Duel 650mm Proj, 4cruise missiles (EM): 129.83 Armageddon using 7megapulse I: 156.44* vs armour: Dominix with 6large ion blasters: 106.25* Typhoon using 4Duel 650mm Proj, 4cruise missiles (EXP): 114.07 Armageddon using 7megapulse I: 76.09* Even if you manage to get 5 blown up, you got 10 more ready to deploy or switch to in your drone bay, never mind the new drone options availible. Given the drone durability skill + Hp changes, tbh, Im not seeing it has a nerf (mining rate excluded), especially with upcoming new drone options and therefor options for any drone carrier to consider and utilise. If anything its a nerf of upcoming and already existant uberness of gallente ships imo to keep them inline with other ships. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2005.10.31 22:44:00 - [5] Edited by: Hakera on 31/10/2005 22:45:16 Originally by: Wieland II Do i get this right? The current combat drones will be replaced with sentrys. no, regular drones, stay, sentry, ewar drones etc are new optional drones. Quote: if gallente get their drones destroyed, they are screwed now following on from my first post here <-- see for crude dps stats with drones under new changes Stats without drones: (vs shield) Dominix with 6large ion blasters: 102.50* Typhoon using 4Duel 650mm Proj, 4cruise missiles (EM): 129.83 Armageddon using 7megapulse I: 156.44* vs armour: Dominix with 6large ion blasters: 106.25* Typhoon using 4Duel 650mm Proj, 4cruise missiles (EXP): 114.07 Armageddon using 7megapulse I: 76.09* Even if you manage to get 5 blown up, you got 10 more ready to deploy or switch to in your drone bay, never mind the new drone options availible. Given the drone durability skill + Hp changes, tbh, Im not seeing it has a nerf (mining rate excluded), especially with upcoming new drone options and therefor options for any drone carrier to consider and utilise. If anything its a nerf of upcoming and already existant uberness of gallente ships imo to keep them inline with other ships.
Hakera	Posted - 2005.10.31 22:59:00 - [6] Originally by: Dimitri Forgroth Hello, i'm Mr Powergrid, and i say theres no way you're getting a working setup involving large ion blasters on Mr dominix. I said it was a crude analysis involving the ship bonus, Im well aware under normal setups they loadup plates and med or small turrets typically and rely more on drones and ewar. Yes it would be pushed without power mods to fit such a setup, but not impossible, just a break from the norm for the reasons of analysis. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2005.10.31 22:59:00 - [7] Originally by: Dimitri Forgroth Hello, i'm Mr Powergrid, and i say theres no way you're getting a working setup involving large ion blasters on Mr dominix. I said it was a crude analysis involving the ship bonus, Im well aware under normal setups they loadup plates and med or small turrets typically and rely more on drones and ewar. Yes it would be pushed without power mods to fit such a setup, but not impossible, just a break from the norm for the reasons of analysis.
Hakera	Posted - 2005.10.31 23:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Nafri DPS: 792.481 hehe, just to make a note, I never included gunnary skills in my stats (as any bonus which is assumed the same for all is not considered cos Im lazy). i did however include cruise missile V bonus and 10% RoF from missile launcher op for the typhoon but it was a crude figure, so if the above were removed the typhoon stat is markedly lower. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2005.10.31 23:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Nafri DPS: 792.481 hehe, just to make a note, I never included gunnary skills in my stats (as any bonus which is assumed the same for all is not considered cos Im lazy). i did however include cruise missile V bonus and 10% RoF from missile launcher op for the typhoon but it was a crude figure, so if the above were removed the typhoon stat is markedly lower.
Hakera	Posted - 2005.10.31 23:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Alex Harumichi After this change, why exactly are we the "drone race"? Because of a bit more thermal damage and a few more drones on two ships? versitility in more ways than simple damage. The stats Nafri or me provided show that dps isnt significantly affected by these changes, but what i think you gain although it cannot be easily quanitified is ther versitility in drone use. A lower dps is acceptible to me where you can pop sentry drones or EWAR drones out and affect the dps in whatever way you see fit of your target from total jamming to damping or tracking etc. The size of your drone bay gives you the power to choose which and Im sure with additional overview options such as 'drone profiles' you can launch unique sets of 5 from a choice of 15 ideal for combating whatever target under whatever scenario (keeping with heavy drones as an example) The same is true as you scale down through the ship classes. use of sentry drones akin to a totem in WoW are probably going to be very deadly or deploying EWAR. Obviously its going to take some testing on sisi to see how these new drone types handle, not least the logistic types drones before people throw their arms up at slightly lower dps which is still inline with the other races ships. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2005.10.31 23:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Alex Harumichi After this change, why exactly are we the "drone race"? Because of a bit more thermal damage and a few more drones on two ships? versitility in more ways than simple damage. The stats Nafri or me provided show that dps isnt significantly affected by these changes, but what i think you gain although it cannot be easily quanitified is ther versitility in drone use. A lower dps is acceptible to me where you can pop sentry drones or EWAR drones out and affect the dps in whatever way you see fit of your target from total jamming to damping or tracking etc. The size of your drone bay gives you the power to choose which and Im sure with additional overview options such as 'drone profiles' you can launch unique sets of 5 from a choice of 15 ideal for combating whatever target under whatever scenario (keeping with heavy drones as an example) The same is true as you scale down through the ship classes. use of sentry drones akin to a totem in WoW are probably going to be very deadly or deploying EWAR. Obviously its going to take some testing on sisi to see how these new drone types handle, not least the logistic types drones before people throw their arms up at slightly lower dps which is still inline with the other races ships.
Hakera	Posted - 2005.11.01 08:08:00 - [12] Well this gallente boost is all well and good, I was just thinking about drone bay expander modules, and high slot drone controller mods. Now this doesnt change the number of drones controlled, but does affect in the case of drone bay expanders, the selection availible to the pilot, and drone controllors can adjust the attributes of currently launched drones. Add that in with say new overview functionaility to have 'drone profiles' which allow you to customise selections of drones to launh quickly so you can setup groups to fight certain types of targets. Im sorry, but any gallente pilot who is complaining about 600dps with drones alone (5 thermal sentry drones) never mind what turrets they have equipped so add another 150dps for your turrets, your only like 200 dps above a arma there lol. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2005.11.01 08:08:00 - [13] Well this gallente boost is all well and good, I was just thinking about drone bay expander modules, and high slot drone controller mods. Now this doesnt change the number of drones controlled, but does affect in the case of drone bay expanders, the selection availible to the pilot, and drone controllors can adjust the attributes of currently launched drones. Add that in with say new overview functionaility to have 'drone profiles' which allow you to customise selections of drones to launh quickly so you can setup groups to fight certain types of targets. Im sorry, but any gallente pilot who is complaining about 600dps with drones alone (5 thermal sentry drones) never mind what turrets they have equipped so add another 150dps for your turrets, your only like 200 dps above a arma there lol.
Hakera	Posted - 2005.11.01 12:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Tuxford Dominix is a battleship and it just feels wrong that it has mining yield bonus. I suggested to TomB giving Moros a mining yield bonus and he started throwing stuff at me so I will definitly not do that. I concur, give such bonus to the mining cruisers instead. Also Tux, could you do the old graphs for pre-post dps if possible for some ship comparison. The HAC's and BS will be nice. Though i realise the additional benefits provided by being able to field other drone types and having a sleection availible cant really be quanitified as easily as damage. IMO, solutions lie in additional high slot drone interface modules, such as drone bay expanders and drone bonus modules which increase the stats of drones deployed but not their number of course. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2005.11.01 12:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Tuxford Dominix is a battleship and it just feels wrong that it has mining yield bonus. I suggested to TomB giving Moros a mining yield bonus and he started throwing stuff at me so I will definitly not do that. I concur, give such bonus to the mining cruisers instead. Also Tux, could you do the old graphs for pre-post dps if possible for some ship comparison. The HAC's and BS will be nice. Though i realise the additional benefits provided by being able to field other drone types and having a sleection availible cant really be quanitified as easily as damage. IMO, solutions lie in additional high slot drone interface modules, such as drone bay expanders and drone bonus modules which increase the stats of drones deployed but not their number of course.
Hakera	Posted - 2005.11.01 12:44:00 - [16] Originally by: GBBUTT gallante guns are weak when compared to the other race's which i thought was made up by the fact that we are the drone race. lol - hybrids weak, the gall ships grid perhaps but not their guns. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2005.11.01 12:44:00 - [17] Originally by: GBBUTT gallante guns are weak when compared to the other race's which i thought was made up by the fact that we are the drone race. lol - hybrids weak, the gall ships grid perhaps but not their guns.

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