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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2005.10.31 20:33:00 -
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Was the missle nerf this bad?
And dont give me garbage about how this isnt even implemented yet.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.10.31 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Steele on 31/10/2005 20:37:28
why are they blowing up in ccp's faces, the only problem i see is whiners posting.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.31 20:46:00 -
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lol.
Missile nerf was a ****storm compared.
I have a few specific implimentation concerns, personally, nothing major.
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2005.10.31 20:59:00 -
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i think ccp should stop changing things in the game, it is realy realy bad.
even IF they are wrong balanced they should leave it, in my opinion.
in stead they should fix time in fixing the bugs.
and yea drones get nerfed, it looks like gallante gedding nerfed, tough the cold-war-missile-nerf-patch was worse ;) and caldari have ben nerfed evry patch since i joined and i read somehwere they havent stoped nerfing it yet.
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Lady Noir
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:02:00 -
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By changing drones they are pretty much fixing a bug, the major lag caused by them.
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GC13
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:18:00 -
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I don't see any real problem with the drone changes. I'll admit I thought it looked terrible, until I logged in and checked the blog; after that, it all looked good. I'm kinda upset that five will be the hard cap for drone quantities (really takes a lot of the character out), but I hear that lag DOES suck with tons of drones.
As for Gallente and the thermal-only damage bonuses:
HA! How does it feel? 
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:24:00 -
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 Originally by: GC13
I don't see any real problem with the drone changes. I'll admit I thought it looked terrible, until I logged in and checked the blog; after that, it all looked good. I'm kinda upset that five will be the hard cap for drone quantities (really takes a lot of the character out), but I hear that lag DOES suck with tons of drones.
As for Gallente and the thermal-only damage bonuses:
HA! How does it feel?
Well, when I can carry enough drones on my drone ship to change damage types at will (as you can in your Raven) I'll be fine with the changes. Until then, they suck.
Oh, and please give me ability to switch drones anywhere in space to a new set in 10 seconds (like you can with missiles). I'm assuming this will be implemented any day now. 
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Keven
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:24:00 -
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Galente are already stuck with kineic/thermal so in essence thats not changing much.
Now before crying, lets see the ewar drones (the ones i worry about the most) in action.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Keven
Galente are already stuck with kineic/thermal so in essence thats not changing much.
Now before crying, lets see the ewar drones (the ones i worry about the most) in action
IMO the problem with ewar drones is that gallente won't have the advantage with these, becuase any ship can use drones, and the others won't be missing out on a damage bonus by using the ebil ewar drones
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:41:00 -
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This change is way worse then Missile changes.
I mean what would Missile users have said if launcher hardpoints would have been free EW modules for everyone who never used them before, except Caldari would still have no other way of dealing damage...
lol, the drone changes are completly stupid.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Keven
Galente are already stuck with kineic/thermal so in essence thats not changing much.
Now before crying, lets see the ewar drones (the ones i worry about the most) in action
IMO the problem with ewar drones is that gallente won't have the advantage with these, becuase any ship can use drones, and the others won't be missing out on a damage bonus by using the ebil ewar drones
good observation.
weirda's main beef (without seeing the changes on sisi yet) is the reduction of drone bay size. if you can only launch 5, it would seem that ships that currently have big bays should still be able to have backups... but guess that if 50m3 of space is going to be equivalent to 100m3 of space (using vagabond bay as example) in terms of damage, you gotta reduce that by so that the vaga only have 25m3 (though will prolly LOL the first time that two medium and a light pop out of my bay in the heat of battle).
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FalloutBoy
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:44:00 -
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the reduction of the amount of drones isn't an issue, the increasing of the hitpoints of drones instn't and issue. the issue is the racial damage BullS***. The raven has no penatly when it uses non race damage types why should the domi?
besides the racial damage issue i'm fine with the changes and tihnk the new drones are welcome
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
This change is way worse then Missile changes.
I mean what would Missile users have said if launcher hardpoints would have been free EW modules for everyone who never used them before, except Caldari would still have no other way of dealing damage...
lol, the drone changes are completly stupid.
Yah. In the spirit of fairness, I demand 4 extra launcher points to all ships.
Silly? Yes. But that's exactly what this change is doing: giving everyone similiar ability to use drones. If so, I want my Dom to be able to launch missiles. It doesn't have to have as many hardpoints at a Raven does, 5 will do for now. Seems fair.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: FalloutBoy
besides the racial damage issue i'm fine with the changes and tihnk the new drones are welcome
Generally, I agree. Change the +10% per level thermal to a +5% per level all damage and I'll have a lot less objections. Alternatively, change Raven to get only kinetic bonus -- but I'd prefer to have the Dom drone bonus work like the Raven missile bonus and not nerf the Raven.
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Kilpelainen
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Posted - 2005.10.31 21:54:00 -
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CCP should remove drone models so that they would allways be just + marks on the screen. My guess is if drones would go through objects rether than colliding into them cpu load would reduce and drones wouldn't get stuck on each others.
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Dimitri Forgroth
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kilpelainen
BTW it doesn't look nice when battleships main weapon is five little drones.
They should make heavy drones the size of frigates. 
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Spuki
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:04:00 -
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These changes will have a huge effect to eve game play, especially pvp. Nothing will be like it used to be ...
I think they should introduce it very slowly, step by step. Well, rather dont introduce it at all!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:16:00 -
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"Yah. In the spirit of fairness, I demand 4 extra launcher points to all ships."
By all means, you can have them. Seeing how average reaction to the idea of missile-oriented ship for Gallente, Amarr or Minmatar is "omfg noooooo we don't want that missile sh.t" ... well, doubt it'd have much impact.
"Silly? Yes. But that's exactly what this change is doing: giving everyone similiar ability to use drones."
Yes, my ability to pick 3 drones for Raven and be stuck with them until i redock is so similar to Dominix' pilot ability to pick 5 drones they happen to find best use for at given moment, out of set of 15 they carry...
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ponieus
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Spuki
These changes will have a huge effect to eve game play, especially pvp. Nothing will be like it used to be ...
I think they should introduce it very slowly, step by step. Well, rather dont introduce it at all!
more effect on pvp than anything else.. I just finished up about 2 months of training time to break out the dommi of death but with the up comming changes wtf.. I would of rather put that 2 months somewhere else..
I guess it all that wait and see how bad they are ****ed up now..
as far as the dommi new bonus comming up why not jsut give it 10% to all drone damage type per level since it is on the only drone carring BS's in game.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
Yes, my ability to pick 3 drones for Raven and be stuck with them until i redock is so similar to Dominix' pilot ability to pick 5 drones they happen to find best use for at given moment, out of set of 15 they carry...
Umm? A Raven can pick from any damage type, and switch between them in 10 seconds. With the new changes, a Dom cannot do that, period... and even switching between the few damage type you do want to cover takes much longer than 10 seconds in your average combat situation
The most glaring problem: the Raven gets +5% per level to all missiles. The Dom (as proposed) get +10& to thermal. If the devs were to change that to +5% to all damage (like Raven) my complaints would diminish.
To recap: a Raven can pick any damage type, and gets damage bonuses for all. A Dom can't, and doesn't.
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Nomen Nescio
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:29:00 -
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I wrote the post on it, but it is so lost in the sticky thread...
Anyway, I have nothign to say but We are all doomed... Linkage
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Thelastangel
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: j0sephine
Yes, my ability to pick 3 drones for Raven and be stuck with them until i redock is so similar to Dominix' pilot ability to pick 5 drones they happen to find best use for at given moment, out of set of 15 they carry...
Umm? A Raven can pick from any damage type, and switch between them in 10 seconds. With the new changes, a Dom cannot do that, period... and even switching between the few damage type you do want to cover takes much longer than 10 seconds in your average combat situation
The most glaring problem: the Raven gets +5% per level to all missiles. The Dom (as proposed) get +10& to thermal. If the devs were to change that to +5% to all damage (like Raven) my complaints would diminish.
To recap: a Raven can pick any damage type, and gets damage bonuses for all. A Dom can't, and doesn't.
Hmm,
Point 1: you are comparing a Tier1 BS and its bonuses with a Tier2
Point2: Raven has just had and still suffering from a major nerf cycle or balance, whichever you prefer.
Point3: all BS and for that matter any ship that relies on drones to deal with pesky frigs, is getting shot with the same gun here.
Point4: to re-quote what was said after Cold War in a different situation: "adapt or die".
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Dimitri Forgroth
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Thelastangel
Point2: Raven has just had and still suffering from a major nerf cycle or balance, whichever you prefer.
Erm, WTF has that got to do with anything?
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: FalloutBoy
the reduction of the amount of drones isn't an issue, the increasing of the hitpoints of drones instn't and issue. the issue is the racial damage BullS***. The raven has no penatly when it uses non race damage types why should the domi?
besides the racial damage issue i'm fine with the changes and tihnk the new drones are welcome
Sure. I can see the argument. Dom should get 5% to all, not 10% to thermal.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Thelastangel
Point 1: you are comparing a Tier1 BS and its bonuses with a Tier2
I agree - Nerf the armageddon.
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ALTNAME
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:37:00 -
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Obviously we discourage discourse on the drone changes by keeping this thread open - Cortes
the new Drone nerf is the next nail in the coffin of Battleships as solo player viability platforms. Next stop is NOS, when everyone is out of battleships and into Interceptors, maybe CCP will rethink things a bit. By that time I will have moved onto Battlefront 2. Wait, that is tomorrow! Doh!
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Montero
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:37:00 -
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it'll be interesting to see how these changes pan out. i think that in a way it's slightly harsh on the drone ships (poor arbi with it's em bonus) but i havent been on sisi to look, and im no drone specialist. glad i hadnt started training my alt for a domi just yet though, think i'll wait a month or so after the patch and see what happen eh.
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ALTNAME
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:39:00 -
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Double post 4tl - Cortes
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DickVan Dyke
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:39:00 -
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What's gonna happen with the Ishkur, cause i've trained assault frigates and drone interfacing to level 5. after all this drone stuff is introduced will the ishkur still have a drone bay of 50m3 with my skills? I realise it will only be able to use 5 drones and with the proposed change to drone interfacing i'm fine with that as long as those drones will be medium drones.
if the downsizing of drone bays extends to the Ishkur then surely it will become the weakest AF?
btw this is a question, i'm not whining cause i actually like the idea of the drone stuff i'm just curious about what it'll mean for the ishkur.
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Dimitri Forgroth
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Posted - 2005.10.31 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Sure. I can see the argument. Dom should get 5% to all, not 10% to thermal.
Which is a nerf to its current damage..
..and btw, WHY IS EVERYONE FIXATED ON THE DOM. I fly an arbi atm with 15 drones.. explosive, because thats the damage type that is most useful. Wow, i get an EM bonus? Great, a crap damage type against adaptively plated ships (there are a lot of them nowadays, with the boost coming, there'll be even more).
Give it 10% bonus to all drones, and then theres no nerf to drone ships damage.
People backing a 5% but not a 10% just want to see drone carriers damage nerfed.
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