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Shedemei Silfar
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
72
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Posted - 2013.06.20 13:46:00 -
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Wow this is still going on.
I really don't know what's so hard about this. For me, Banter = OK, obviously directed personal attacks and discrimination = NOT OK, regardless of the target.
I understand that there are people that don't know the difference. I understand that humans, regardless of race, creed, color, gender, etc... have an equal potential to be amazing folks or total asshats.
For me personally, i would not join a corp or alliance that tolerates personal attacks and/or discrimination, or asshattery of any sort.. I've run MMO guilds before, and if i actually had the time to run a corp in this game, there would be a zero tolerance policy for that - ESPECIALLY if it was a PvP corp. My personal view is if you can't work together because of some dumbass bias, go elsewhere. Don't need the entire team getting blown up because someone can't put their corp before their own need to stroke their ego. |

Xeraphi
The Gun Runners
49
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Posted - 2013.06.24 01:54:00 -
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JustAnotherHighSecAlt wrote:They crave attention, willing to do anything to get it and you can't do much else but despise them for what they are: complete sell-outs. They simply make a big deal about being women, while in my opinion, gender shouldn't matter in an MMO.
Because no woman ever spoke out after men say there are no women in EVE to say "hey I'm a woman, we exist and are real" and then got accused of just wanting attention, right?
Absolutely, gender shouldn't matter in an MMO. Unfortunately, when women are a minority and speaking out to correct the assumption that there are no women around means that you get labelled as "just wanting attention" and made a target for bullying and **** "jokes" it does matter. Especially when you can't hide your gender on comms. Target death animation flicker problem #2 Target death animation flicker problem #1 Please fix before June 21 I'd like to keep playing EVE! |

Isaac Collins
Penumbra Military Industrial Complex
4
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Posted - 2013.06.24 06:21:00 -
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It really shouldn't matter what percentage of women play a game. This is like saying football is a 100% male sport, what can we do to up the women players? It's silly, This game is beyond tedius, this game has no interaction for vanity on your characters, this game was supposed to have more uses for your character than just your avatar and running around in a CQ. This game is beyond frustrating, a new player goes through hell losing their first few ships, it's probably the hardest part of keeping new players.
The game is not even remotely appealing to the opposite gender in a lot more aspects then one. Given I think the odds are higher than 4%, but there is no reason for women to identify them selves as females and lots of studies have proven they prefer not to be identified as female. |

Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
146
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Posted - 2013.06.24 09:44:00 -
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Kind of funny it isn't higher. Eve has everything a girl could want.
Shopping, a whole lot of shopping, we even have a space mall called Jita.
Cat Fights, A whole lot of cat fights. Figuratively and literally. The ladies can go all feral and duke it out in epic space battles, Just think Mean Girls but in space. Trash talking goes along with that as well.
And of course who can forget the Space Barbies, customize-able characters, They can play dress up and plastic surgeon. Another element of shopping here as well. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10280
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Posted - 2013.06.24 09:56:00 -
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Tuttomenui II wrote:Kind of funny it isn't higher. Eve has everything a girl could want.
Shopping, a whole lot of shopping, we even have a space mall called Jita.
Cat Fights, A whole lot of cat fights. Figuratively and literally. The ladies can go all feral and duke it out in epic space battles, Just think Mean Girls but in space. Trash talking goes along with that as well.
And of course who can forget the Space Barbies, customize-able characters, They can play dress up and plastic surgeon. Another element of shopping here as well.
And it has a map so men (who everyone knows hate asking for directions) can still find their way home.
It's a gender equality wonderland.
1 Kings 12:11
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Sahjahn
Nex Exercitus Nulli Secunda
17
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Posted - 2013.06.24 10:05:00 -
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Why would you want to increase the number of females in game? I mean seriously, if all the women are wasting their time on internet spaceships like we do then who the f**k is in the kitchen cooking dinner????? |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
295
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Posted - 2013.06.24 10:06:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:And it has a map so men (who everyone knows hate asking for directions) can still find their way home.
It's a gender equality wonderland.
To be fair, the last person in EVE that I asked for directions, directed me into the loving arms of the Amamake gatecamp.
So it's a bit of a lesson learned on my part to figure out my own directions. And to check dotlan. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

PinkKnife
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
353
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Posted - 2013.06.24 20:30:00 -
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Xeraphi wrote:JustAnotherHighSecAlt wrote:They crave attention, willing to do anything to get it and you can't do much else but despise them for what they are: complete sell-outs. They simply make a big deal about being women, while in my opinion, gender shouldn't matter in an MMO. Because no woman ever spoke out after men say there are no women in EVE to say "hey I'm a woman, we exist and are real" and then got accused of just wanting attention, right? Absolutely, gender shouldn't matter in an MMO. Unfortunately, when women are a minority and speaking out to correct the assumption that there are no women around means that you get labelled as "just wanting attention" and made a target for bullying and **** "jokes" it does matter. Especially when you can't hide your gender on comms.
This.
When you operate under the bullshit and false assumption that you have no privilege over women, and that it is an equal playing field, of course it looks like attention seeking.
So they shout down anyone trying to being up the lack of equality as attention seeking. Further dismissing, shouting down, and exacerbating the problem they claim doesn't exist.
Same song, same dance of misogynist and sexist going on about how good minorities have it while having no clue about what they speak. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10309
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:31:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Malcanis wrote:And it has a map so men (who everyone knows hate asking for directions) can still find their way home.
It's a gender equality wonderland. To be fair, the last person in EVE that I asked for directions, directed me into the loving arms of the Amamake gatecamp. So it's a bit of a lesson learned on my part to figure out my own directions. And to check dotlan.
Obviously the problem here is that you're not a real man
1 Kings 12:11
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Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
575
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:37:00 -
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JustAnotherHighSecAlt wrote:However, I have previously been accused of being a "fat motherf****** internet virgin stalker" by a woman, when interviewing her for an application to my corporation and asking where she's located (a question every single one of our members has answered without any problems before).
This is actually an interesting example. Your intentions were clearly good--TZ is an important consideration for an international MMO. What we have here is just two perspectives with no overlap.
She was apparently unaware that your real question was what time zone she was in, and assumed that you were asking where she lived for other reasons--because women are depressingly likely to get that question for that reason when online. That's why she lashed out. If you ask the question you actually meant to ask, "what time zone are you in, so we know if you'll be on with enough of our existing membership," then there would have been no problem. That's not to say that this was your fault, just that you asked a question that any number of men have had no trouble responding to, and whoops! turns out that the question sounds totally different to a woman who's been harassed in games before.
That's an awareness issue. Just like most men simply don't consider that parking lots and garages are tense and dangerous places for women, or don't register that the look on a woman's face when you get in the elevator with them is one of terror at being raped, because that happens too, because it's just not our experience of things. Once you're aware of these things, it becomes much easier not to say or do something that gets misinterpreted the way your question was. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
295
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Posted - 2013.06.24 21:58:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Malcanis wrote:And it has a map so men (who everyone knows hate asking for directions) can still find their way home.
It's a gender equality wonderland. To be fair, the last person in EVE that I asked for directions, directed me into the loving arms of the Amamake gatecamp. So it's a bit of a lesson learned on my part to figure out my own directions. And to check dotlan. Obviously the problem here is that you're not a real man
Of course. Real men hull tank. I've long since gotten used to such sissy things as shields and armor. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5627
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Posted - 2013.06.25 05:03:00 -
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Sahjahn wrote:Why would you want to increase the number of females in game? I mean seriously, if all the women are wasting their time on internet spaceships like we do then who the f**k is in the kitchen cooking dinner????? You must realize by now that this isn't funny, and nor is it anything we can even care enough to be offended at anymore. So now I'm just left wondering why you even bothered. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
37
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Posted - 2013.06.25 06:21:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:That's an awareness issue. Just like most men simply don't consider that parking lots and garages are tense and dangerous places for women, or don't register that the look on a woman's face when you get in the elevator with them is one of terror at being raped, because that happens too, because it's just not our experience of things. Once you're aware of these things, it becomes much easier not to say or do something that gets misinterpreted the way your question was.
Your solution is that 98% of the community should step on egg shells for the other 2%? Doesn't sound very efficient.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqPcjm-X5GQ |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10316
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Posted - 2013.06.25 06:52:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Malcanis wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Malcanis wrote:And it has a map so men (who everyone knows hate asking for directions) can still find their way home.
It's a gender equality wonderland. To be fair, the last person in EVE that I asked for directions, directed me into the loving arms of the Amamake gatecamp. So it's a bit of a lesson learned on my part to figure out my own directions. And to check dotlan. Obviously the problem here is that you're not a real man Of course. Real men hull tank. I've long since gotten used to such sissy things as shields and armor.
too much flouride in the pod goo tbh
1 Kings 12:11
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
296
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Posted - 2013.06.25 07:01:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Malcanis wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Malcanis wrote:And it has a map so men (who everyone knows hate asking for directions) can still find their way home.
It's a gender equality wonderland. To be fair, the last person in EVE that I asked for directions, directed me into the loving arms of the Amamake gatecamp. So it's a bit of a lesson learned on my part to figure out my own directions. And to check dotlan. Obviously the problem here is that you're not a real man Of course. Real men hull tank. I've long since gotten used to such sissy things as shields and armor. too much flouride in the pod goo tbh
No kidding!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_toxicity
Just read through that, that stuff has some messed up side effects. I mean, sure, 60 million people in India alone have flouride poisoning, but at least tooth decay has been dealt with. 
And the, what do they call it, Alum? That white-ish crystal crap they use to purify water? That stuff is n.a.s.t.y. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Maybelater Headache
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2013.06.25 07:29:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:JustAnotherHighSecAlt wrote:However, I have previously been accused of being a "fat motherf****** internet virgin stalker" by a woman, when interviewing her for an application to my corporation and asking where she's located (a question every single one of our members has answered without any problems before). This is actually an interesting example. Your intentions were clearly good--TZ is an important consideration for an international MMO. What we have here is just two perspectives with no overlap. She was apparently unaware that your real question was what time zone she was in, and assumed that you were asking where she lived for other reasons--because women are depressingly likely to get that question for that reason when online. That's why she lashed out. If you ask the question you actually meant to ask, "what time zone are you in, so we know if you'll be on with enough of our existing membership," then there would have been no problem. That's not to say that this was your fault, just that you asked a question that any number of men have had no trouble responding to, and whoops! turns out that the question sounds totally different to a woman who's been harassed in games before. That's an awareness issue. Just like most men simply don't consider that parking lots and garages are tense and dangerous places for women, or don't register that the look on a woman's face when you get in the elevator with them is one of terror at being raped, because that happens too, because it's just not our experience of things. Once you're aware of these things, it becomes much easier not to say or do something that gets misinterpreted the way your question was.
Maybe said woman should have been aware that asking where she-¦s located is not necessarily a preparation for harassment, and refrain from nasty insults in the first place. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5627
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Posted - 2013.06.25 07:29:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Just read through that, that stuff has some messed up side effects. I mean, sure, 60 million people in India alone have flouride poisoning, but at least tooth decay has been dealt with.  That problem has nothing to do with any intentional water fluoridation effort and everything to do with contamination from dissolved granite in groundwater. This causes levels that are far higher than is used in actual public water fluoridation. Everything is toxic in high amounts, including stuff that is beneficial in lower amounts. Drinking too much water will kill you. Does that mean water is dangerous?
Not that this has remotely anything to do with the thread, but I still felt I needed to address it. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |

Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1163
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Posted - 2013.06.25 08:21:00 -
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I think only slightly gay men cyber in eve - if you didnt know that 96% of eve were men, you probably did subconsciously and i will just let you think about that.
I know a few women in eve, but now that i think about it i probably do know 50 males to one or two females.
How to attract more? You cant, its the curse of the internet and the nature of the spaceship beast, girls just dont like huge metal ships in a vacuum it seems. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
296
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Posted - 2013.06.25 08:27:00 -
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Quote:Maybe said woman should have been aware that asking where she-¦s located is not necessarily a preparation for harassment, and refrain from nasty insults in the first place.
I'd mostly agree with that. The onus is on the person who lowered the level of discourse. And such an overreaction would be unwelcome in my company, were I making the decision.
A knee jerk reaction is always an emotional reaction. And an emotional reaction is by definition not a logical or intellectual one.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
453
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Posted - 2013.06.25 11:27:00 -
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Women don't last long in this game, they have a sense of ownership and a deep connection with everything, so unfortunately everything they work for gets taken away.
If you want more women to play this, create a separate universe for them where they can all be bitter with each other over several silly little things and wage war with handbags.
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Maybelater Headache
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2013.06.25 11:49:00 -
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Looking forward to see the handbag tournament on twitch. |

NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
788
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Posted - 2013.06.25 11:59:00 -
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Gibbo3771 wrote:Women don't last long in this game, they have a sense of ownership and a deep connection with everything, so unfortunately everything they work for gets taken away.
If you want more women to play this, create a separate universe for them where they can all be bitter with each other over several silly little things and wage war with handbags.
There are plenty of women in EVE that has been around for years, my self included.
And yes, women (and men) have a sense of ownership and connection with things they have worked for. Makes no difference if that "thing" is a ship you really worked for, or a corp you put years into making it successful. And yes, women (and men) can also feel a sense of pride about these things.
But here is the thing, in EVE most people (male and female) will realize, understand and accept that fact that its just a game. The ship will get blown up, your corp will fall apart, your wallet will get drained, your friends will turn on you and you adapt to it.
So stating that women dont last long because they get to emotionally attached to an ingame object...well sorry to break it to you but many women quit for the same reasons as male players do, they get bored, they find another game, they get busy in real life or they simply loose interest in EVE  Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Lasairiona Raske
The Studmuffin's Defiance Enterprises
13
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:02:00 -
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Gibbo3771 wrote:Women don't last long in this game, they have a sense of ownership and a deep connection with everything, so unfortunately everything they work for gets taken away.
If you want more women to play this, create a separate universe for them where they can all be bitter with each other over several silly little things and wage war with handbags.
Wow.
I've played Eve for six years now and never have I read something so misogynistic.....even with being a recruiter! |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10318
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:08:00 -
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Gibbo3771 wrote:Women don't last long in this game, they have a sense of ownership and a deep connection with everything, so unfortunately everything they work for gets taken away.
Yeah we never see true men weeping copious bitter tears on these forums because some nasty meany killed their precious mission Golem.
I bet I could search all day and not even find a single example.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10318
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:10:00 -
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Hey remember when goons were killing ice miners all over the place and every single male miner just said "Well played, good sirs, well played" and maybe raised a single eyebrow for a second in acknowledgement of the brief inconvenience?
But wow it sure was an eye opener to see how many women were mining ice in gallente space there were.
1 Kings 12:11
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
506
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:20:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Hey remember when goons were killing ice miners all over the place and every single male miner just said "Well played, good sirs, well played" and maybe raised a single eyebrow for a second in acknowledgement of the brief inconvenience?
But wow it sure was an eye opener to see how many women were mining ice in gallente space there were.
So that too is because of the goons?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
10321
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:24:00 -
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The goons stated goal in EVE is to stop other players (At least 96% of whom are of course men) from having fun.
Obviously, goons are all women.
1 Kings 12:11
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Lasairiona Raske
The Studmuffin's Defiance Enterprises
14
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:32:00 -
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Malcanis..... o/ \o high five! |

Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
687
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Posted - 2013.06.25 12:51:00 -
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Gibbo3771 wrote:Women don't last long in this game, they have a sense of ownership and a deep connection with everything, so unfortunately everything they work for gets taken away.
If you want more women to play this, create a separate universe for them where they can all be bitter with each other over several silly little things and wage war with handbags.
5/10 - Since I don't know if you're serious. Too many ___________ (multiple choice list available upon request) in this thread. This is a presumptive response.
0/10 - Inaccuracy: I think many are like me whereas their brain and soul dies a little each time they hear a child-man talk about farts and other equally appealing topics. I don't lose much though, in fact my hanger really needs to be cleaned out...
0/10 - 96% +/- 1% of bitterness is male (in this game).
Few things are worth denting my handbag over. Anonymous people in a video game, nor the game, do not come close to making the list.
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
2572

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Posted - 2013.06.25 13:14:00 -
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I have removed some inappropriate remarks from this thread. New Eden Community Representative GÇ+ New Eden Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
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