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Dragnkat
Winfield Star-Tech
Un.Bound
27
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:35:00 -
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So I made a little bet with myself about how long it would take for the new non hidden belts to be overrun by people who didn't waste one minute training up scanning skills (like I did) to find the grav sites spawning around where my corp operates.
Not even one hour. I lost that bet.
The very instant a jaspet and kernite deposit spawned? I barely had time to fly back and get my barge, not even one cycle done finished before a ret, a hulk, and a flipping orca (probably the alt of one of them) descended on the belt, and for extra you know what and giggles decided to target the pure jaspet I was busy stripping.
I went back to check a few minutes later?
Hulk hulk, mac, orca, ret, cov, mac, mac, ret.
Now someone please explain to me again the logic behind one of the stupidest changes I've seen happen since I started playing EVE. Why should people who have zero time invested in scanning get the benefits of being able to find the higher end ores same as explorer pilots, and thanks to this change also now have no spot off the grid from the suicide cata's that like to roam through high sec on occasion. It's perfectly fine now to have those of us who took the time to go this route be instantly outclassed by the mega corps and the alt armies who now can reap all of the reward with zero of the work?
Oh well I guess I can put those scanning skills to use elsewhere,
Maybe I'll go try to risk gravs in low sec, after all belt mining out there was totally worth the risk, and I'm sure the pvp fleets would never think of the ore site as the first place to look for miners, heaven forbid they have to do some work actually scanning someone down right?
Oh right I keep forgetting I'm supposed to bring escort friends, because as we all know trained combat pilot s just love to sit around and play guard the miner right? And those of us with only a couple hours to play before work would have no problems getting a corp fleet up and running to go out there. I'm sure all the miners would just jump at the chance o lose multimillion barges to a frig roam too...
I know maybe I'll find me a nice WH to ninja, after all it should be safe if I find a deserted one? Not like just anyone can waltz right in, after all they have to scan it down too. And I'll have that nice warning on D-scan when the probes show up. Not like a cloaky could just insta jump right on it. Or the WH owners could point themselves at that now not hidden site, fire the D scan and see exactly where I am without one bit of scanning either?
Perfectly safe, after all Fozzle says players should be the "challenge" and that buff to ores really makes it worth the risk...
[/venom filled sarcasm]
Thanks CCP for wasting my time yet again, and dumbing down your exploration to the point of stupidity. But hey I guess if you wanted more miners getting ganked. Even less incentives to go try and risk low sec mining since gravs there are now "might as well be in a belt". And the one flimsy protection you gave miners in WH's just got taken away as well. Mission accomplished! |
RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
154
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:38:00 -
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Tell us how you really feel.
Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5123
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:39:00 -
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CCP just decided, that mining shouldn't be part of proper exploration and removed mining related sites from it. Seems kind of silly to me, since it makes EVE a bit less interesting, but that's what they wanted for some reason. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1930
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:39:00 -
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Just make sure the site is cleared out so it can despawn properly and then it will spawn elsewhere. All it did was increase the input of low-sec ores from high-sec sources.
If they annoy you too much, get some friends with catalysts.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Paul Panala
Beyond the Shadows
16
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:40:00 -
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Move to low or null. One of the stated goals of this expansion was to get more people moving to low, now you complain that there is too much competition for resources in high? |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
12502
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:41:00 -
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How was your relationship with your father?
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?-á
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices
Petition Blizzard
74
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:42:00 -
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DEY TUK YER JEEERBBBBB!!!!!!11!
"You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
Tell The Others |
Haulie Berry
871
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:43:00 -
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Quote:Dear CCP TY for the great grav (oh ore) site screwover of 2013 from all explorers everywhere.
Hi. I'm an explorer, and I love this change.
I love it for itself, and I love it even more for the tears it's extracting.
There are many explorers who are not also filthy mining peasants. |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
196
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:43:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:CCP just decided, that mining shouldn't be part of proper exploration and removed mining related sites from it. Seems kind of silly to me, since it makes EVE a bit less interesting, but that's what they wanted for some reason.
Someone at CCP decided that the grav site riches need to be shared between all miners, it's not like there are people who's entire careers were based around scanning or anything like that are there? |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
196
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:45:00 -
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Paul Panala wrote:Move to low or null. One of the stated goals of this expansion was to get more people moving to low, now you complain that there is too much competition for resources in high?
Why would this change encourage anyone to move to low or null?  |
Dimple Dallocort
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:45:00 -
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You keep mentioning the word safe, I was under the impression there is no where safe in New Eden. |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
681
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:45:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:CCP just decided, that mining shouldn't be part of proper exploration and removed mining related sites from it. Seems kind of silly to me, since it makes EVE a bit less interesting, but that's what they wanted for some reason.
Could be first steps in a plan to remove static asteroid belts?
wumbo |
killorbekilled TBE
Initiated
228
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:46:00 -
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Darwin is turning in his grave right now -_-
:) |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2824
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:46:00 -
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It may be time for the OP to raise the black flag and start slitting throats, as the saying goes.
You'll get a lot done in that couple of hours before work and I am willing to bet you will be in a better mood. Heck, you might even kick ass at work too, and get promoted. Getting promoted means more $$, and that means more swag and perhaps you can date more, and get laid too.
This expansion is going to be a good one. |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
196
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:47:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Quote:Dear CCP TY for the great grav (oh ore) site screwover of 2013 from all explorers everywhere. Hi. I'm an explorer, and I love this change. I love it for itself, and I love it even more for the tears it's extracting. There are many explorers who are not also filthy mining peasants.
And there are many explorers that used to be paid rather well for the location of good grav sites |
Pipernelli Spacemitt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:47:00 -
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killorbekilled TBE wrote:Darwin is turning in his grave right now -_-
Probably trying to situate for optimal tear harvesting too. |
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
263
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:48:00 -
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Had to throw a bone to the ice miners sitting on a 4 hour cooldown. |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices
Petition Blizzard
75
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:49:00 -
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Ruskarn Andedare wrote:
And there are many explorers that used to be paid rather well for the location of good grav sites
Dey tuk dere jerbs too?!
"You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
Tell The Others |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
196
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:51:00 -
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Klymer wrote:Had to throw a bone to the ice miners sitting on a 4 hour cooldown.
I hadn't thought of that - it might make sense.
Ramona McCandless wrote:Ruskarn Andedare wrote:
And there are many explorers that used to be paid rather well for the location of good grav sites
Dey tuk dere jerbs too?!
Yup - all gone, no more easy commission  |
Johan Toralen
Clockwork X3
81
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:52:00 -
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Time to skill for a gank alt. |
Gordon Esil
Bag End
28
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:56:00 -
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Ruskarn Andedare wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:Quote:Dear CCP TY for the great grav (oh ore) site screwover of 2013 from all explorers everywhere. Hi. I'm an explorer, and I love this change. I love it for itself, and I love it even more for the tears it's extracting. There are many explorers who are not also filthy mining peasants. And there are many explorers that used to be paid rather well for the location of good grav sites
I got an explorer alt, used to make 100+ million isk from each grav site I find
After the expansion I logged in, warped to the site I found before the patch and...
Hulk, Hulk, Hulk, Covetor, Harbinger
I did not like it, but I have to live with it... probably will go to low and find some better ores there or maybe get to null if I managed to find a good system there
While I'm still not happy with that, but it did happen and I'll have to live with it  |
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune
Celestial Imperative
41
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:57:00 -
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I unsubbed my mining alts. I suggest you do the same. Vote with your wallet and show them you don't need Eve. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Nothing Is True Everything Is Permitted
180
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Posted - 2013.06.04 15:59:00 -
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1) train for a sabre
2) find null systems with industrial upgrades
3) ???????
4) profit |
Dimple Dallocort
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:00:00 -
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Could this change be the best thing to happen to Eve, So many salty miner tears! it's fish n chips tonight |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1931
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:00:00 -
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So, with all those mining alts unsubbing, less ore will be mined with maintained demand resulting in higher mineral prices.
brb, buying a few trillion trit.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Pipernelli Spacemitt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:03:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:So, with all those mining alts unsubbing, less ore will be mined with maintained demand resulting in higher mineral prices.
At which point the **** will come derping back to their belts. |
Gordon Esil
Bag End
28
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:06:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:So, with all those mining alts unsubbing, less ore will be mined with maintained demand resulting in higher mineral prices.
brb, buying a few trillion trit.
Actually that will balance stuff 
With the Tritanium/Pyerite added to nullsec ores, those 2 will get lower on prices, with people mining them getting fewer their prices will be more stable in a good way |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
208
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:07:00 -
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This is a really bad change. Until now I often found miners in w-space mining in some grav site. To sneak up on them without them noticing me was fun and not the easiest thing to do. I don't say it was supper challenging, but there was always the possibility they spot the probes in the 5-10s it took me to pin the site after I narrowed it down with d-scan.
Now I fear there will be no more miners as it is just too risky and a free kill for everyone. And even if there are still miners, you just completely killed the fun I had scanning them down. |
QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
5
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:11:00 -
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The easy to find ore anomalies are the best thing that could have been added to this update. Now I can mine in peace.
Every week-old Venture/Procurer/Retriever toon now see's the easily accessible sites and are like "OMG! It's Omber! It's Omber!" which keeps them from swarming the belt I'm in and going out of their way to target the same rocks I'm on even though I'm on the complete opposite side of the belt far away from the warp-in point.
The ore anomalies are also high-sec gank magnets, which again, works out pretty great. Maybe not so much for new miners, but I digress.
Anyway, CCP, you get a heartfelt 10/10 from me. |
Nycodemis
National Institute of Mental Health
17
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:17:00 -
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I kind of agree that people investing time, effort and SP in previous hi-sec grav sites just got the shaft. However... this is expected anytime CCP performs a skill or mechanic change. Someone is going to lose out. I really hope you don't think that you and people who ran gravs are the only people getting the shaft from Odyssey.
Oh... the "protection" you spoke of in W-space was non-existent. People that live in that system BM'd the grav shortly after its creation. You were never safe from them. Newcomers simply d-scan and drop combats. It seems you're ignoring a new warning system, however. Instant, automated notification when a new sig appears... like when a new wormhole opens into your system.
Judging your post as a whole I think CCP responded before you posted... H.T.F.U.
Welcome to EvE. Can I haz your stuff? |
0Lona 0ltor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:20:00 -
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Funny the low sec system I'm in has 4 free belts 2 ice & 2 roid, not a single ship. |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices
Petition Blizzard
75
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:25:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:This is a really bad change. Until now I often found miners in w-space mining in some grav site. To sneak up on them without them noticing me was fun and not the easiest thing to do. I don't say it was supper challenging, but there was always the possibility they spot the probes in the 5-10s it took me to pin the site after I narrowed it down with d-scan.
Now I fear there will be no more miners as it is just too risky and a free kill for everyone. And even if there are still miners, you just completely killed the fun I had scanning them down.
What are you, simple?
They are quicker to find and thus easier to neut, board, capture, bind, torture, exsanguinate and pulp.
My Tainted Claret tanks on the Dragoon will have to be expanded considerably now.
As will my holding pens.
"You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
Tell The Others |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor
Black Core Alliance
979
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:30:00 -
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Interesting, I never got the feeling anyone cared about the high sec grav belts. I never did them because in the time to find them and move my carp to mine them, I could have just as much or more isk sitting in the standard belts.
Still not really a fn of this change but we'll see. I think most mining systems in null will just end up getting bubbled to hell. :\
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
208
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:31:00 -
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Nycodemis wrote:
Oh... the "protection" you spoke of in W-space was non-existent. People that live in that system BM'd the grav shortly after its creation.
What matters is that it "appeared" to be "save" and this encouraged mining under unsave conditions. |
Argel OTF2
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:51:00 -
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I have to say that even though I'm on board with a lot of this Odyssey stuff, the grav changes make absolutely no sense on in any way. I don't mine but I can appreciate how valuable a decent grav site was in the past, and how impractical it is to mine in low/null |
Tenchi Sal
Dust Bunnies 514
153
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Posted - 2013.06.04 16:57:00 -
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Its called the world of warcraft effect. In order to bring in more casual gamers, you have to dumb down the mechanics or some aspects of it. This is a perfect example. |
Gordon Esil
Bag End
28
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:12:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:Interesting, I never got the feeling anyone cared about the high sec grav belts. I never did them because in the time to find them and move my carp to mine them, I could have just as much or more isk sitting in the standard belts.
Still not really a fn of this change but we'll see. I think most mining systems in null will just end up getting bubbled to hell. :\
I do (before the patch) grav sites in the same system I mine normally in it only, I never bother to go to nearby systems and scan for grav sites because that is more time as you said to move your mining ship and get there then bring the ore back to home...
That was an awesome income, but I guess now I have to share it with others... |
Denidil
Turalyon Plus
594
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:14:00 -
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HTFU and hire mercs to wardec them if it is the same corp all the time.
Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design. |
Denidil
Turalyon Plus
594
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:15:00 -
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Tenchi Sal wrote:Its called the world of warcraft effect. In order to bring in more casual gamers, you have to dumb down the mechanics or some aspects of it. This is a perfect example.
no, you friggen pathetic wannabe-elitist
this is why:
Zifrian wrote:Interesting, I never got the feeling anyone cared about the high sec grav belts. I never did them because in the time to find them and move my carp to mine them, I could have just as much or more isk sitting in the standard belts.
Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
515
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:24:00 -
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It is mining pvp now. fastest miner will get best rewards |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
1985
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:34:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:Tell us how you really feel.
I too sense the poster was holding back.
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Sentamon
993
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:35:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:I unsubbed my mining alts. I suggest you do the same. Vote with your wallet and show them you don't need Eve.
I'm using the dual training feature to train gank alts on my mining accounts. Its too bad you're leaving, you sound like a yummy target.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
5
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:39:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:It is mining pvp now. fastest miner will get best rewards
That's one way of looking at it. The combat anomalies are the same way.
It's quite funny actually, to see several ships just hanging around outside the station, then as soon as an anomaly pops up they all warp to it at the same time and try to get there first.
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Ryks Nalar
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:47:00 -
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TLDR but I got the idea. Scanning gravs was a pain in the ass. Who's fitting a scanner on a mining barge? nobody, so ship swapping or alt scanning was the way and that sucked balls. Plus you could be scanning for weeks in high sec without finding anything. Those massive groups of people, they are the types that find them anyway, this just makes it easier for the little guys to get a slice too.
Am I shocked that today, the day of the expansion, that everyone's out hunting the new sites? No.. I'm not. I'm sure it will die down and you can have some of the tiny amount of low-mid range ore that high sec provides.
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Thomas Harding
Flaming Sideburns Social Club
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:49:00 -
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killorbekilled TBE wrote:Darwin is turning in his grave right now -_-
Does Darwin getting himself buried alive qualify for Darwin award? |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
306
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:50:00 -
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Welfare Belts
It happened in WoW and now its happening here.
In the interest of :newsubs:
Not today spaghetti. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Daktaklakpak.
2226
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Posted - 2013.06.04 17:53:00 -
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TL:DR. I just know it is full of tears but I just ain't thirsty right now.
Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821 |
destiny2
Abh Empire
Ex Cinere Scriptor
125
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:01:00 -
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if ya move to null you wont have this issue  |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Suns Of Korhal
Terran Commonwealth
3
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:02:00 -
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I can't remember ever finding a grav site that was worth the trouble it took to find and mine over just mining scordite right outside the undock. If CCP had put ore in the hisec grav sites that was worth a crap, they probably would have had more people use them.
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