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Roy Kring
Bad Security. Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:13:00 -
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I love exploration and always have, today I logged in from deep in nullsec to continue my exploration journey when I see that Odyssey has come out. Well first I try the scanning and I don't think it should have been changed but whatever I can deal with it so lets move on to the actual exploration. I scan down a relic site and get to work as usual, but I when I turn on my analyzer I see a minigame window pop up and I realise this is the beginning of the end. I watch a CCP video about how to do the new sites and try my luck at them. Keep in mind i'm deep in nullsec and this seems to effect the difficulty of the cans. Basically in a site with about 6 cans, 5 of them blew up because I kept failing the hacking minigame. Now what the hell is this? How is this an improvement over the old system? I understand the old system could get a little tedious, only a LITTLE tedious. This new minigame is the most frustrating thing I've ever had to do in eve online to this day. It made me so angry I was smashing my computer table and swearing heavily. There is no real strategy to the game, you just click on nodes and hope you get lucky and uncover the core. There are serious problems here, like the restoration nodes which make the site almost impossible by constantly repairing any defensive nodes you haven't yet attacked. You literally don't have enough power to kill what you come into contact with when the restoration nodes are stacking repairs on every node. Not to mention that in the harder sites i'm doing the hacking board is HUGE multiplying the ill effects. I was extremely angry initially, but now i'm just really sad that this is what CCP did to exploration. There were only 2 things in this game I truly enjoyed, PVP and Exploration, and I needed one to do the other. This is going to cripple me, I cannot do these sites effectively and am losing huge amounts of money due to the multiple failures. I really don't know what to do now, I love this game so much and looked forward to logging in every day, I have 2 accounts subbed via credit card, buy Plex regularly, and now I don't know what I'm going to do. I never liked pve and hated grinding in any form but exploration was my exception because it was dangerous and fun, such a different thing to do compared to missions or incursions. Now i'm in fear of losing that fun. Please change something about these sites, make them easier somehow, I've had so much fun in eve but this will hurt me badly. |

Lexmana
963
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:15:00 -
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hmmm ... what did you say again? |

Barkaial Starfinder
Eixo do Mal
59
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:15:00 -
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 Were you literally screaming at the screen? |

Esharan
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
44
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:18:00 -
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Sweet wall of text. I'll read all that, said no one ever.
pro tip; use paragraphs and TL/DR |

Roy Kring
Bad Security. Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:19:00 -
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Jesus christ why are you guys so unhelpful and sarcastic? Im serious here im at a loss big time, im really unhappy right now. |

Kaeracin
Pistols at Dawn
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:21:00 -
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is there a tl:dr version of this massive wall of text? sorry but "ain't nobody got time for that" |

Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
172
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:21:00 -
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You will learn the hacking mini-game, eventually become quite good at it, expert even, and then you will come to the forums to laugh at the noobs who can't do it properly.
Of course, while you're learning you're going to lose a lot of loot.
Keep at it though. 
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1939
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:21:00 -
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Roy Kring wrote:Jesus christ why are you guys so unhelpful and sarcastic? Im serious here im at a loss big time, im really unhappy right now. Try formatting your OP and people might even read what you have to say. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |

Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
72
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:22:00 -
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Because your wall of text is.. um.. a wall of text? Try some paragraphs and stuff. For the children! |

Esharan
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
44
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:23:00 -
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Roy Kring wrote:Jesus christ why are you guys so unhelpful and sarcastic? Im serious here im at a loss big time, im really unhappy right now.
This is EvE not Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
Anyway I will make you happy. Contract to me all your assets and I will double it? |

Kaeracin
Pistols at Dawn
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:25:00 -
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This is EvE not Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
Anyway I will make you happy. Contract to me all your assets and I will double it?[/quote]
lol best comment of the morning |

Remiel Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
1497
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:25:00 -
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Roy Kring wrote:It made me so angry I was smashing my computer table and swearing heavily.
This is your problem right here. Try taking a nap. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
172
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:26:00 -
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Esharan wrote:Roy Kring wrote:Jesus christ why are you guys so unhelpful and sarcastic? Im serious here im at a loss big time, im really unhappy right now. This is EvE not Hello Kitty Island Adventure. Anyway I will make you happy. Contract to me all your assets and I will double it?
His complaint was not unreasonable, but on reflection it did amount to, "I'm not very good at this because I've never done it before", which is easily rectified by... doing it some more. |

Shukuzen
State Protectorate Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:26:00 -
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I rather like exploration now, infact I never had much interest in it until the new changes. It's made scanning and exploring more fun imo. |

Kaeracin
Pistols at Dawn
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:26:00 -
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Esharan wrote:This is EvE not Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
Anyway I will make you happy. Contract to me all your assets and I will double it?
lol best comment of the morning |

Hernan Johuihen
Zero Atmosphere Ex Cinere Scriptor
41
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:27:00 -
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should we care about this? or just harvest your tears |

Haulie Berry
884
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:28:00 -
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Sounds like PEBKAC problems. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3595
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:28:00 -
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Roy Kring wrote:Jesus christ why are you guys so unhelpful and sarcastic?
Paragraphs, dude!
We're being extremely unhelpful because you have posted a wall-of-text rant which we would have to expend much more effort than normal to read, only to find that you have nothing substantial to say that hasn't already been said on the other "exploration is dead" threads on this forum and over in Missions & Complexes.
Of course you already know about those other threads because you wrote them.
So here's a challenge for you: reformat this post into paragraphs. Stick to one topic per paragraph, and ensure the first sentence provides the reader with a clue about the content of the rest of the paragraph. Don't use emotive language like "sucks" or "killed" but instead try to explain why a particular change is upsetting you.
Then remember to read "Who Moved My Cheese". Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Paul Panala
Beyond the Shadows
19
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:28:00 -
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Roy Kring wrote:I love exploration and always have, today I logged in from deep in nullsec...
Please change the punctuation between 'have' and 'today' to a period. That should be a new sentence.
Edit: Also capitalize the T in today after making the aforementioned changed. |

Roy Kring
Bad Security. Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
0
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:29:00 -
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Well i tapped the space button twice so your brain could adjust to the handfull of sentences, and to the smarter replys, try doing this new minigame deep into negative nullsec and you will see my frustration |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12519
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:30:00 -
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I love it when CCP makes stuff harder 
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?-á http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny |

Khira Kitamatsu
562
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:31:00 -
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So because CCP added a level of difficulty and interaction - it is too much for you to do. Wow...just wow...  Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4260
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:31:00 -
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Roy Kring wrote:Jesus christ why are you guys so unhelpful and sarcastic?
I take it youre new to GD. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Paul Panala
Beyond the Shadows
19
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:33:00 -
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Here is a better example of how to complain. Less words, more funny.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=243493 |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3595
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:35:00 -
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Roy Kring wrote:There is no real strategy to the game, you just click on nodes and hope you get lucky and uncover the core. There are serious problems here, like the restoration nodes which make the site almost impossible by constantly repairing any defensive nodes you haven't yet attacked.
Here is an article about the mini game by Ali Aras. It's well worth reading, and she highlights a strategy which should help you beat the game.
So train up your hacking and archaeology skills, get the better modules, and get back to it with the determination that you aren't going to let the game beat you even when you lose.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
3
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:40:00 -
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I think people would be nicer if it weren't for the fact that these changes have been talked about, demo'd, made available on sisi, and videoed for weeks now. So you wake up and all the sudden its harder and scream and pound your desk?
Don't worry. Even now you can google the mini game and find walk throughs and strategies that will take all the guess work, and wonder, out of the sites. |

Grinder2210
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:43:00 -
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Roy Kring wrote:Jesus christ why are you guys so unhelpful and sarcastic? Im serious here im at a loss big time, im really unhappy right now.
you forgot to make your monthly isk dontation |

Eru GoEller
State War Academy Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:44:00 -
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Roy Kring wrote:Wrote Stuff Since your liked both exploration and PVP, here's a tip for your future endeavours in exploration and PVP:
You don't have to do the minigame, you need a cloaky ship (Recon or T3 will do fine), fit the new scanning modules as you see fit. Scan down sites as you did before Odyssey, moreso if there's someone else in system.
Warp to scanned out sites and grab as many cans you can from someone that indeed do the minigame, or just kill them. There exploration and PVP in the same run.
|

Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
107
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:46:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote:So because CCP added a level of difficulty and interaction - it is too much for you to do. Wow...just wow... 
wow... just wow. Not sure how push button = get bacon is adding a level of difficulty. |

Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
282
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:47:00 -
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Roy Kring wrote:Jesus christ why are you guys so unhelpful and sarcastic? Im serious here im at a loss big time, im really unhappy right now.
Honest answer to your post is based upon one part. "can't do these sites..." the mini-game part -- yet.
It's new and isn't well understood. As it is explored, experimented with and documented it will become just as easy as most other aspects of the game you do know and understand. I'd bet you studied a crap ton of web info on how to work probes when you got started using them for the first time - that info isn't available... again: "Yet".
The thresholds that make it possible or almost impossible to do the cans will become well known and laid out but this will probably take a week or 2.
In the meantime, chill out a bit and relax. Mutter, blow off some steam by blowing up some ships and what not - or join in on figuring it out if that's what floats your boat.
This part won't be too tough to deal with "long term" - though it may be found to be annoying over time. This is a wait and see issue but the frustrations of "newness"... Been there, done that - its not uncommon so give it a bit of time. |

Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
236
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:47:00 -
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Esharan wrote:Sweet wall of text. I'll read all that, said no one ever.
pro tip; use paragraphs and TL/DR
I actually did read all of it. |

Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
78
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:49:00 -
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With hacking 5 I have no trouble whatsoever breezing through this mini game (low sec sites).
Having said that, I must say that it is a click-fest in an annoying pop-up window, which ends in a full ****** loot pinata which has been heavily criticized from the very start.
The mini game in itself would be tolerable, if it wasn't for the loot explosion and frantic grab for vanishing containers in the end. This is simply not a worthy goal to pursue. It's a truly miserable experience. |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1940
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:50:00 -
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I think the hacking minigame has a nice flow to it. Which then gets completely shattered by the scatter mechanics. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |

Pepper Solette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2013.06.04 18:53:00 -
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Sweet merciful crap.
The expansion has been out for less than 12 hours and you are already raging and screaming? FFS Dude.
You and that Jacob Muvila should take your act on the road. One screaming because he is not getting instant bacon and the other screaming for compensation due to ineptitude. It's a double act. If you find a couple more of you clowns on here you can tour as a group. |

Doc Severide
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.06.04 19:06:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Roy Kring wrote:Jesus christ why are you guys so unhelpful and sarcastic? I take it youre new to GD. Exactly....
I think it's funny because I don't care.... |

Capt Tenguru10
Nintendo Power Against ALL Authorities
284
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Posted - 2013.06.04 19:09:00 -
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My sig says it all. http://i.imgur.com/EYX5Zi7.gif |

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
485
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Posted - 2013.06.05 09:52:00 -
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Yup. I too have the unfortunate combination of Hacking V and a healthy aversion for minigames and QTE's.
Oh well. With the rats gone people will start using weaker ships, nobody ever said you'd have to do the hacking part yourself...  |

killorbekilled TBE
Initiated
249
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Posted - 2013.06.05 09:58:00 -
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http://t.qkme.me/3uq6ee.jpg :) |

Sentamon
1002
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:00:00 -
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Barkaial Starfinder wrote: Were you literally screaming at the screen?
He was. I found a video. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1555
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:04:00 -
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Khira Kitamatsu wrote:So because CCP added a level of difficulty and interaction - it is too much for you to do. Wow...just wow... 
Difficulty in the same way winning the lottery is difficult, so not really.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |

Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
85
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:08:00 -
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Roy Kring wrote:I It made me so angry I was smashing my computer table and swearing heavily.
The only thing wrong here is that you need to talk to a counselor about your anger management issues.
"You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor
Tell The Others |

Signal11th
The Retirement Club
980
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:14:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I love it when CCP makes stuff harder 
Fallacy as usual, They haven't made it harder they have just made it take more time again. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |

Saheed Cha'chris'ra
Krautz WH Exploration and Production
67
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:14:00 -
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I did three hours of exploration yesterday with my corpmate. Farming lowsec-data and relic-sites seems to be the new buddy-activity. We liked it, even if our profit was not that big. Next time we will find a faction POS bpc! and if we don't, we can still blow stuff up.
I'm in a cov ops with hacking modules and rigs, my mate flew a cov ops with scanning equipment and rigs. Worked really good. 
Also he can watch D-Scan while i am hacking the containers. |

Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
998
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:19:00 -
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Pepper Solette wrote:Sweet merciful crap.
The expansion has been out for less than 12 hours and you are already raging and screaming? FFS Dude.
Trouble is we have to keep screaming/raging for week's or nothing will change.
CCP Greyscale wrote:Our current plan is to leave it as-is for a few weeks and then see if it's still bothering people. It's very hard in advance to separate the things that will annoy people for a week and then stop being an issue from the things that will persist in annoying people forever. If you look at the initial feedback for the new font, for example, there was a near-riot when it was deployed - but if you go back and look at the old font now it's horrible. |

Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
356
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:20:00 -
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Next time put it on youtube..... we want to laugh at raging nerds too  You either love us or we hate you. |

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight
100
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:48:00 -
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Roy Kring wrote:I love exploration and always have, today I logged in from deep in nullsec to continue my exploration journey when I see that Odyssey has come out. .. ... This new minigame is the most frustrating thing I've ever had to do in eve online to this day.
Mr. Tinfoil Hat says...
"This was done to extend your uncloaked time working a site, to allow others a better chance at warping in and pointing you. While you are busy dicking about with a minigame, and scrambling to grab the ejected cans, you are less likely to be watching local or mashing d-scan..."
-1 to explorers life expectancies, +1 to pvp/pirates killmails :)
This is not a problem per se', IF CCP had of addressed the pre-existing issue that exploration isn't a viable career because the risk-reward curve is too skewed towards risk. With this they just boned explorers even more IMHO.
http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca |

THC Trader
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:21:00 -
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I have read the guides on the best method to do hacking. The general consensus is explore as many nodes as you can, killing only Regenerative and Suppressor nodes, ignoring all others until you have no other option left. I have tried this in multiple sites, with hacking 4, and a covops frigate. To put it into perspective, with hacking 4 I have never found a can I couldn't open. Now, I'm lucky to get 2/5 cans in a site. On top of that, the loot I get in return for spending 45 minutes smashing my head against my keyboard hoping I find the core, has amounted to about 15m/site on average. Before I averaged somewhere around 50-100m/site. This is with two accounts looting the cans that pop out (another completely half ass mechanic), running nullsec sites.
Regenerative nodes are too common. Virus suppressors are too common. Defensive nodes in general are too common. I understand that hacking 5 will give a significant boost to your results. However it should not be a requirement to get any meaningful results. This just creates a giant barrier to entry. That's 26 days spent training (just to get hacking and archaeology from 4 to 5). Even in the sites where I *have* managed to open every can, the loot was laughable. I'm also aware you get two tries for each can. I have been doing this, and my results include that.
This is unacceptable. With two accounts, I still can't get every can that pops out. I cannot open every can. On top of that, the loot I get is simply terrible.
To the OP: Ignore the forum trolls. They're just trying to derail the thread. The best way to deal with a troll is to ignore them. Their mommy will put them in time out sooner or later. |

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
829
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:22:00 -
[48] - Quote
Cool thread. The Tears Must Flow |

Koz Katral
L'Avant Garde
1
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:28:00 -
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I have been just running around with hacking 4 doing exploration for the last few months...
suffice to say Hacking 5 is now at the top of my skillplan. They added a reason to train hacking to 5 and use a t2 module...I really don't see that as a problem. |

Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
1079
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:29:00 -
[50] - Quote
New System is Fantastic
One of the oldest mission players in EVE designed a chart that explains stat priority in regards to mission running, compared Alpha, DPS, Ship Speed and Sig Radius and scores them. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m24dbrfuWn1r86ax8o1_1280.jpg |

Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
6
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:32:00 -
[51] - Quote
Roy Kring wrote:Jesus christ why are you guys so unhelpful and sarcastic? because they are eve online veterans.
Kaeracin wrote:is there a tl:dr version of this massive wall of text? sorry but "ain't nobody got time for that" you could have read the text in the time you were typing that ...
|

CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
42
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:33:00 -
[52] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc
      |

xarjin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:01:00 -
[53] - Quote
5 year veteran here.
if i had to pick out of all the highlight features for odessey i'd keep the ship changes and the new probe scanner and throw the rest back in the garbage bin.
Highsec data and relic site loot it utterly worthless ( i can get better income from highsec missioning running level 2 missions ) and there's absolutely zero chance i would bother doing those in lowsec. |

Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
254
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:00:00 -
[54] - Quote
Victoria Sin wrote:You will learn the hacking mini-game, eventually become quite good at it, expert even, and then you will come to the forums to laugh at the noobs who can't do it properly. Of course, while you're learning you're going to lose a lot of loot. Keep at it though.  This, there is definantly correct things to do and incorrect things to do. Clicking every node you can is a bad idea. |

Murk Paradox
Red Tsunami The Cursed Few
390
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:08:00 -
[55] - Quote
I don't understand how you guys think that's a wall of text.
Seriously, stop thinking your phone is a source of education. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |

Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
196
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:11:00 -
[56] - Quote
Paul Panala wrote:Less words...
Fewer. |

Nanami Enpei
Shinden Shorai
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:13:00 -
[57] - Quote
xarjin wrote:5 year veteran here.
if i had to pick out of all the highlight features for odessey i'd keep the ship changes and the new probe scanner and throw the rest back in the garbage bin.
Highsec data and relic site loot it utterly worthless ( i can get better income from highsec missioning running level 2 missions ) and there's absolutely zero chance i would bother doing those in lowsec.
Even ratting in 0.7 Asteroid belts gets you more isk then from hisec data sites xD
Im not an veteran, but this new clickfest (minigame) and the loot scattering and the loot table is something #&$++* |

floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:15:00 -
[58] - Quote
Do the exploration implants still work? |

Lister Vindaloo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:17:00 -
[59] - Quote
I can deal with the mini game, it's a bit of fun and hopefully may get an iteration or two to tweak it as time goes on. But the loot scatter is ridiculous, it must be some kind of sick joke. Not to mention the loot value, I'm yet to find a single site that pays anywhere near what the pre-odessey sites paid, again this needs a lot of work to balance out the risk v reward as if I'm exposed for long enough to complete the mini game I'd expect some measurable reward, at the moment it'll take a lot of sites to replace a covops. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4230
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:18:00 -
[60] - Quote
Quote:This is unacceptable. With two accounts, I still can't get every can that pops out. I cannot open every can. On top of that, the loot I get is simply terrible.
You might stop to consider that you aren't supposed to be able to get all the cans when attempting it using one of your own alt accounts. Two people, on the other hand, seem to manage quite nicely.
It's a bit early in the game to make an informed decision about the quality/amount of the loot overall, especially since you are a bit new at this and not actually being successful much of the time. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
357
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:21:00 -
[61] - Quote
Use a cargo scanner to see which cans are worth it and which aren't. Your profits will improve greatly. |

Seniae 0n3
27
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:24:00 -
[62] - Quote
Borlag Crendraven wrote:Use a cargo scanner to see which cans are worth it and which aren't. Your profits will improve greatly.
This ... just think most people never thought of using a cargo scanner for this |

Cyrek Ohaya
Perkone Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:27:00 -
[63] - Quote
Hacking rigs are perhaps useful now? |

Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
357
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:29:00 -
[64] - Quote
Seniae 0n3 wrote:Borlag Crendraven wrote:Use a cargo scanner to see which cans are worth it and which aren't. Your profits will improve greatly. This ... just think most people never thought of using a cargo scanner for this
That's because it didn't use to work, it's a new change. |

Seniae 0n3
27
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:31:00 -
[65] - Quote
Borlag Crendraven wrote:Seniae 0n3 wrote:Borlag Crendraven wrote:Use a cargo scanner to see which cans are worth it and which aren't. Your profits will improve greatly. This ... just think most people never thought of using a cargo scanner for this That's because it didn't use to work, it's a new change.
Dang ... now they know the secret |

Kalpel
KBM
43
|
Posted - 2013.06.05 21:54:00 -
[66] - Quote
Roy Kring wrote:It made me so angry I was smashing my computer table and swearing heavily.
I had the same reaction when I found out SC aren't allowed in high sec DED sites  I don't give a flying F****K if their OP, it's my favorite ship and now it's a paper weight in the hanger!
* gives the bird to the screen * CCP!
You failed to target nothing!-áGëívGëí online |

THC Trader
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:44:00 -
[67] - Quote
OK, after doing this for a bit, it can be done with hacking/archaeology 4 and a covops frigate. You want to open the outer nodes first, as revealing a defensive node on one of the outer nodes will block less nodes than it would if it were the center node. You want to save your utilities. Use the one that does damage per turn for the suppressors. The one that halves the coherence for the anti-virus (i think, the one that does tons of damage to you). The other two whenever you need them essentially. Repair you want to pretty much use as soon as you can, if your coherence is low enough that it won't get wasted. The shield can be used for anti-virus as well, although it's somewhat wasted as you only take damage from anti-virus once. There's another one with 20 strength and 60 coherence, that is probably the better one to use the shield on. So far relic sites seem to be the more profitable ones, data sites are fairly low income, but still worth doing for that faction tower bpc. I'm doing them in nullsec of course, so in high/lowsec your mileage may vary. I still disagree with the lootsplosion, as it fails to make me work with someone else. All it does is make me use an alt, and I still miss some of the cans pulling them as fast as the game will let me.
EDIT: The trick here, is to open the nodes that will block the fewest nodes if they are defensive first. This increases your odds greatly. |

Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial
3532
|
Posted - 2013.06.05 23:18:00 -
[68] - Quote
THC Trader wrote:OK, after doing this for a bit, it can be done with hacking/archaeology 4 and a covops frigate. You want to open the outer nodes first, as revealing a defensive node on one of the outer nodes will block less nodes than it would if it were the center node. You want to save your utilities. Use the one that does damage per turn for the suppressors. The one that halves the coherence for the anti-virus (i think, the one that does tons of damage to you). The other two whenever you need them essentially. Repair you want to pretty much use as soon as you can, if your coherence is low enough that it won't get wasted. The shield can be used for anti-virus as well, although it's somewhat wasted as you only take damage from anti-virus once. There's another one with 20 strength and 60 coherence, that is probably the better one to use the shield on. So far relic sites seem to be the more profitable ones, data sites are fairly low income, but still worth doing for that faction tower bpc. I'm doing them in nullsec of course, so in high/lowsec your mileage may vary. I still disagree with the lootsplosion, as it fails to make me work with someone else. All it does is make me use an alt, and I still miss some of the cans pulling them as fast as the game will let me.
EDIT: The trick here, is to open the nodes that will block the fewest nodes if they are defensive first. This increases your odds greatly.
Sounds terribly tedious and boring. I'll find a new profession. |

Snapper Pumpkinpuss
The Opposite Sects
2
|
Posted - 2013.06.05 23:34:00 -
[69] - Quote
YOU GUYS ARE EITHER STUPID OR USELESS...BUY BACK MY T3 CRUISER i made this so i could compete for 6 sites , lookout , vigil and watch and 3 of 10s and 4 of 10s and radars..... you took away my way of makeing isk..now i need 3 ships...but wait i can go to low sec and get killed in 10 seconds with 2 bill ship and 1 bill in implaints.. wow what fun to go get killed in 10 seconds ...thats why i pay 20+ usd a month so i can slave away for a few months to loose it to some jackasses in low sec in seconds. YOU OWE ME 10 BILLION ISK AND A TONE OF SKILL POINTS SO I CAN TRAIN MY TOON IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION... HAD I KNOWN I WOULD NOT HAVE GONE DOWN A PATH THAT I DID ....OH BUT WAIT I CROSS TRAINED TO CALDARIE but you nerfed heavy missles .....then you nerfed drakes....then now you shitcaned T3s... i have enuf of you stupid fks....fix it or loose me...what are you thinking |

Snapper Pumpkinpuss
The Opposite Sects
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:37:00 -
[70] - Quote
why did i spend all this time training t3s and scanning for you to f me.....could you please tell me what your going to screw up next so i can train a different way i can scann radars and mags with my 3 billion isk ship ...ashats |

Snapper Pumpkinpuss
The Opposite Sects
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:40:00 -
[71] - Quote
never mind im running level 3 distrabution missions with my 3 billion isk tengue for 50 k per mission
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
185
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:42:00 -
[72] - Quote
Eurydia Vespasian wrote: Sounds terribly tedious and boring. I'll find a new profession.
Wonder if a person will be PvPed while their head is buried into this mini-game?
Sounds perfect in a PvE environment, but to think getting lost into the mini-game to notice someone just armed their weapons on you...as they want the same goods.
Pilots are distracted on jets with burnt out light bulbs and kill everyone in the process. A mini-game in deep space that's aim IS to distract?
:shakes head: "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Seniae 0n3
29
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:42:00 -
[73] - Quote
WOW man ... I understand frustration but you're going a bit overboard with it. Why don't you focus on 5/10 and up, explore in WH. T3 in up to 4/10 is really OP |

Snapper Pumpkinpuss
The Opposite Sects
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:43:00 -
[74] - Quote
can i get a refund for the year i paid in advance for 2 toons and then can you stick it |

Snapper Pumpkinpuss
The Opposite Sects
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:45:00 -
[75] - Quote
to ansewer your question im in a 3 man corp ....no help to do 5 of 10s or wormholes ...i dont want to be forsed to play with other peeps ...i like playing solo often ...answer ...why forse me too play in a group
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Seniae 0n3
29
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:47:00 -
[76] - Quote
Snapper Pumpkinpuss wrote:to ansewer your question im in a 3 man corp ....no help to do 5 of 10s or wormholes ...i dont want to be forsed to play with other peeps ...i like playing solo often ...answer ...why forse me too play in a group
You're not forced to play with other peeps at all ... just forced to use another shiny in the 3/10's and 4's |

Nycodemis
National Institute of Mental Health
18
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:48:00 -
[77] - Quote
Regarding killing exploration; thus far I've delved into more data and relic sites that any time prior. The activity is more engaging and (so far) more rewarding. Now there's actually an incentive to perfect the related skills and fit a dedicated exploration ship. There's also more incentive to work with others, though the sites are more profitable for a solo explorer than they were previously. This change to the basics of exploration also opens the door to more possible types of exploration in future expansions not to mention using the new Hacking/Analyzing system on other things. As a w-space dweller Abandoned POS's come to mind first.
I understand your frustration. I'd be pissed too if I was used to being handed the best then had to suddenly work for it. |

Seniae 0n3
29
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:49:00 -
[78] - Quote
Snapper Pumpkinpuss wrote:never mind im running level 3 distrabution missions with my 3 billion isk tengue for 50 k per mission
I run solo lvl 4 security missions in a proteus ... |

Snapper Pumpkinpuss
The Opposite Sects
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:51:00 -
[79] - Quote
WRONG i wasnt handed anything i trained for it after working my way up now "they" just my efforts useless... thats wrong |

Snapper Pumpkinpuss
The Opposite Sects
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 23:52:00 -
[80] - Quote
i dont want to run security missions |

Nycodemis
National Institute of Mental Health
18
|
Posted - 2013.06.05 23:56:00 -
[81] - Quote
Sorry... that kind of came out wrong. By "being handed the best" I meant that beyond a base skill level the only requirement was to wait until the codebreaker/analyzer/salvager opened the container. Now there's no guarantee and there is some strategy in the new mini-game. |

Snapper Pumpkinpuss
The Opposite Sects
2
|
Posted - 2013.06.05 23:58:00 -
[82] - Quote
i dont care about that its access with my ship thats messed up ...i spent alot of time and training to get a ship that could run alot of sites |

Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
888
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 00:14:00 -
[83] - Quote
There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :)
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1565
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 00:35:00 -
[84] - Quote
Gilbaron wrote:has anyone found out what happens if your cargo is full and you try to scoop another container ? i am talking about has anyone found out what happens if your cargo is full and you try to scoop another container ? i am talking about Power Couplings and those armor thingies. these things can easily take up all the space in my frigate and i may miss something cool and actually worth looking for
You don't get anymore loot, everything will work the same.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |

Minister of Death
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2013.06.06 00:38:00 -
[85] - Quote
Snapper Pumpkinpuss wrote:i dont care about that its access with my ship thats messed up ...i spent alot of time and training to get a ship that could run alot of sites
This. That really bothers me too. I invested significantly in SP and hardware so I could be efficient in this area of endeavor. Now that's all moot.
I'll adapt fine, but it is annoying (to me). |

Seniae 0n3
31
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Posted - 2013.06.06 00:38:00 -
[86] - Quote
Pretty much seems like you need to plan ahead to what you want to loot or need and leave the bits and scraps behind you don't need. As in get less greedy and don't loot just everything |

Seniae 0n3
31
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Posted - 2013.06.06 00:42:00 -
[87] - Quote
Minister of Death wrote:Snapper Pumpkinpuss wrote:i dont care about that its access with my ship thats messed up ...i spent alot of time and training to get a ship that could run alot of sites This. That really bothers me too. I invested significantly in SP and hardware so I could be efficient in this area of endeavor. Now that's all moot. I'll adapt fine, but it is annoying (to me).
It is ... annoying and frustrating as heck ... we all grump when stuff like that happens eventhough we know we're all OP and get stuff way too easy sometimes.
Adapt yes you will ... eventhough your plans and goals were/are forced to change |

dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Nyratic
348
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 00:43:00 -
[88] - Quote
Roy Kring wrote: Please change something about these sites, make them easier somehow, I've had so much fun in eve but this will hurt me badly.
Read the whole thing from start to finish, and noticed that you want it made EASIER... Sigh, welcome to Eve, HTFU and get on with learning it like the rest of us. Bienator II: "You can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose." I play in highsec. |

Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
888
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 00:46:00 -
[89] - Quote
Brooks Puuntai wrote:Gilbaron wrote:has anyone found out what happens if your cargo is full and you try to scoop another container ? i am talking about has anyone found out what happens if your cargo is full and you try to scoop another container ? i am talking about Power Couplings and those armor thingies. these things can easily take up all the space in my frigate and i may miss something cool and actually worth looking for You don't get anymore loot, everything will work the same.
this needs fixing, the size of these items can easily be reduced without destroying anything of value ingame We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :)
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Kewso
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.06.06 01:14:00 -
[90] - Quote
it's hilarious how illiterate people are. I'm no perfectionist on grammar/spelling I always overlook it, but I always take the time to read what someone writes.
Anyhow OP is pretty dead on with the aggravation levels. I was on the other spectrum of things, "carebear", been playing since 2007 and never once pvp'd at least as far as ship to ship combat goes...
I've enjoyed the exploring, the missions, mining and marketing aspects.
I didn't resubscribe with my hauler alt, since I'll not be needing the mining aspect of my character, my main is over 100m sp so ive got mining/explore/and many ships and base skills all maxed out.
it sorta makes me wish there was a respec we could buy with aurum. I'd respec all my mining skills and put them elsewhere, perhaps in the crafting aspect of the game and start building stuff.
I love the scanner how it tells me what is hidden after every jump, but there is not enough ice, I jumped through about 20 systems today with my slow Mackinaw hunting found 1 but it was on the tail end of popping i got about half a cycle off before it was all mined out.
sold the mackinaw got a good bit of isk for all the mods and such. Trying to figure out what I'll do next.
spent all day farming level 4's with a nearly afk cnr setup while i pondered -grin-
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Spoz Virtus
Starcade Group Elemental Tide
2
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 01:47:00 -
[91] - Quote
New exploration is pretty good. I've spent 5-6 hours exploring all of high/low/nullsec and made myself well above 500m ISK worth of stuff selling directly to the market. This doesn't include my current sell orders which total another couple of hundred mill and some T2 items I'm manufacturing from some blueprints I got.
Highsec exploring can be profitable IMO. Lowsec is good if you know how to stay safe with directional scan. Nullsec seems profitable although I did start to fail on the hacking game a few times (only level 3 hacking).
My only concern is I wonder if some prices will drop as I think its actually too easy to explore! To summarise:
1) Its easier to find sites that you want (wormholes and other sites you don't want are quick to show themselves assuming you have even reasonable probing skills). I can now scan down any site within a minute after entering the system.
2) Hacking is more interesting than it used to be - requires some actual player skill which is affected by character skill and items.
3) Hacking Archeology skill level is useful now - I actually want to get them to level 5 now. The modules are also important which is nice. T2 is far superior.
4) Your ship type becomes important. Without the above skills being high you really do have to use specialised ships (appropriate frigates or covert ops ships).
5) You can work as a group scanning down sites quickly and hacking and grabbing as a team to maximise the profit output. New players can be useful as an experienced person can scan/hack the site and anyone can grab.
6) It does seem profitable and very simple for a newer player to get into. As I said perhaps its TOO easy... |

Ix Method
Porphyrean Genetic Enterprises
26
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 01:53:00 -
[92] - Quote
Yeah, this was pretty awesome. |

Jim Luc
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
50
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 01:55:00 -
[93] - Quote
Exploration looks fun to me, but I guess I will wait until I have a chance to sit down and play again.
The hacking minigame looks good for the first iteration. I'd love to see more goodies that can be found only in the hacking game, like if you found a data cache that can be worth some ISK?
Also, it reminds me of hacking in Deus Ex. There was a timed element to Deus Ex though, which I think would be cool for a bit more strategy in this minigame. |

Sishen Gzi
Hellion Support Services
53
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 02:07:00 -
[94] - Quote
I'm totally down with the game, much better then just sitting there clicking on the module until the can unlocks. What I don't understand is why successfully hacking a can results in it ejecting everything into space, that seems to me to be something that should happen if you fail. |

Brek Blood
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
13
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 03:22:00 -
[95] - Quote
Roy Kring wrote:Well i tapped the space button twice so your brain could adjust to the handfull of sentences, and to the smarter replys, try doing this new minigame deep into negative nullsec and you will see my frustration
Post is fine, read it fine.
You'd wonder if people have to read these days at their jobs or if everything comes via bullet points.
I do think there is a ways to go before 1 person can find something truly unique among others. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1104
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 03:42:00 -
[96] - Quote
Onomerous wrote:Khira Kitamatsu wrote:So because CCP added a level of difficulty and interaction - it is too much for you to do. Wow...just wow...  wow... just wow. Not sure how push button = get bacon is adding a level of difficulty.
It's an infinite amount of difficulty if you are just trying to afk/bot it.
Just wait until they add one of these minigames to ice / ore mining. Dear god, the ranting...  |

Minsc
Order of the Phoenix Gentlemen's Agreement
64
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 03:46:00 -
[97] - Quote
Brek Blood wrote:Roy Kring wrote:Well i tapped the space button twice so your brain could adjust to the handfull of sentences, and to the smarter replys, try doing this new minigame deep into negative nullsec and you will see my frustration Post is fine, read it fine. You'd wonder if people have to read these days at their jobs or if everything comes via bullet points. I do think there is a ways to go before 1 person can find something truly unique among others.
That's cause the OP fixed it. it used to be a wall of text now there's actual sentences and such. |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1873
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 03:52:00 -
[98] - Quote
Sishen Gzi wrote:I'm totally down with the game, much better then just sitting there clicking on the module until the can unlocks. What I don't understand is why successfully hacking a can results in it ejecting everything into space, that seems to me to be something that should happen if you fail. Agree.
Three levels of results with hacking: Total win: Cans unload neatly in your proximity. Good value found therein. Partial win: Cans eject at some velocity, but not too radical. Mostly crap, but a few nice items. Fail: Cans full of melted crap eject at high velocity. Take shields damage.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |

Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
494
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 03:55:00 -
[99] - Quote
Roy Kring wrote:Jesus christ why are you guys so unhelpful and sarcastic? Im serious here im at a loss big time, im really unhappy right now.
see, now this poast I read. concise, well puncuated, and easy-on-the eyes! +1
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
- Qolde |

Lyell Wolf
Virtues Corporation Yulai Federation
24
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 04:23:00 -
[100] - Quote
With exploration being something I've basically focused on since my first days as a capsuleer I felt as though I should have something to say regarding this change. But I honestly don't have much to comment on. It's easier to scan... That's about as much if a fact/opinion that I can stat. |

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
542
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 04:34:00 -
[101] - Quote
First round is a learning lesson, OP.
I haven't even bothered to undock yet but based on what you are saying my radar exploration only slightly changes. I used to scan them with a CovOps, go get a drake and hack the cans, kill the PvE. Sounds like maybe I will need to use a Proph or a Myrm because they have more drone bay to keep repair down. I will need to try and see if the 5 lights on the Drake will be enough.
Update. The new skill bonus to Hacking is +10 to virus coherence and that will play a factor in when you are doing the mini game. It isn't like before where you spam with code breakers like you are salvaging. It could become a decent mini game but as many are complaining on, the way you loot now is a bit of a scam. I never right clicked to see if I could add to overview so you can grab what you know will have something worth taking and let the foolish stuff drift in to space. |

THC Trader
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
40
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 11:17:00 -
[102] - Quote
Snapper Pumpkinpuss wrote:YOU GUYS ARE EITHER STUPID OR USELESS...BUY BACK MY T3 CRUISER i made this so i could compete for 6 sites , lookout , vigil and watch and 3 of 10s and 4 of 10s and radars..... you took away my way of makeing isk..now i need 3 ships...but wait i can go to low sec and get killed in 10 seconds with 2 bill ship and 1 bill in implaints.. wow what fun to go get killed in 10 seconds ...thats why i pay 20+ usd a month so i can slave away for a few months to loose it to some jackasses in low sec in seconds. YOU OWE ME 10 BILLION ISK AND A TONE OF SKILL POINTS SO I CAN TRAIN MY TOON IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION... HAD I KNOWN I WOULD NOT HAVE GONE DOWN A PATH THAT I DID ....OH BUT WAIT I CROSS TRAINED TO CALDARIE but you nerfed heavy missles .....then you nerfed drakes....then now you shitcaned T3s... i have enuf of you stupid fks....fix it or loose me...what are you thinking
Wardec incoming. Your tears shall be delicious. |

THC Trader
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
40
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 11:18:00 -
[103] - Quote
Gilbaron wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Gilbaron wrote:has anyone found out what happens if your cargo is full and you try to scoop another container ? i am talking about has anyone found out what happens if your cargo is full and you try to scoop another container ? i am talking about Power Couplings and those armor thingies. these things can easily take up all the space in my frigate and i may miss something cool and actually worth looking for You don't get anymore loot, everything will work the same. this needs fixing, the size of these items can easily be reduced without destroying anything of value ingame
No it doesn't. The items that take up the most hold are of almost no value. Jet can them, they're ****. I ran these sites for about 3-4 hours last night and pulled 1b out of it in total. I still had PLENTY of space left in my hold. |

Naburi NasNaburi
distress signals
179
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:24:00 -
[104] - Quote
Roy Kring wrote:There is no real strategy to the game, you just click on nodes and hope you get lucky and uncover the core..
And the strategy before was ? Oh yes.. scan, warp, lock, activate module, watch module cycle...... loot.
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Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
52
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 11:36:00 -
[105] - Quote
The hacking minigame is laughing its ass off at your lack of 1337 skills....
It WANTS you to get angry. I've done some really stupid **** in this game. |

Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
158
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 11:48:00 -
[106] - Quote
I watched a video so I should immediately succeed at something, right?
Right? |

Seniae 0n3
35
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:50:00 -
[107] - Quote
Eram Fidard wrote:I watched a video so I should immediately succeed at something, right?
Right?
Well yes! It's a competence requirement to succeed right away. We wouldn't expect less from you  |

Lilinallte Alleile
Free Unified Spirits of Eve Blood Night Alliance
9
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 12:03:00 -
[108] - Quote
Koz Katral wrote:I have been just running around with hacking 4 doing exploration for the last few months...
suffice to say Hacking 5 is now at the top of my skillplan. They added a reason to train hacking to 5 and use a t2 module...I really don't see that as a problem.
Wow... what does hacking V and T2's bring more? I've got hacking at III and am using T1's atm, and still am doing good, although estimated values have gone down when soloing... Getting more than half the cans by the way...
The game is simple: do the nodes at the edges, collect the tools. When you bump into a FW, just leave it until you have no other ways to go. then make an educated guess and pick the 'blockage' most likely to be the winner:) Oh, and don't forget to use the tools you find! they make a lot of difference...
Anyway, I thought the only reason for taking hacking and archaeology to V would be to go below low-sec... Will be doing that, as the occupation 'explorer' is not paying my bills at the moment by doing it in low sec (0.1-0.2), so I have to move on...
I'm using the, what people call, crap btw myself, on an alt that does invention/research/production... --- Click https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=f95f73a0-8b2f-4dff-9945-0f6ad28e4fd1&action=buddy for a Buddy Invite... |

Lilinallte Alleile
Free Unified Spirits of Eve Blood Night Alliance
9
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 12:07:00 -
[109] - Quote
Skydell wrote:First round is a learning lesson, OP.
I haven't even bothered to undock yet but based on what you are saying my radar exploration only slightly changes. I used to scan them with a CovOps, go get a drake and hack the cans, kill the PvE. Sounds like maybe I will need to use a Proph or a Myrm because they have more drone bay to keep repair down. I will need to try and see if the 5 lights on the Drake will be enough.
Update. The new skill bonus to Hacking is +10 to virus coherence and that will play a factor in when you are doing the mini game. It isn't like before where you spam with code breakers like you are salvaging. It could become a decent mini game but as many are complaining on, the way you loot now is a bit of a scam. I never right clicked to see if I could add to overview so you can grab what you know will have something worth taking and let the foolish stuff drift in to space.
Can't add to overview... how do you loot if you don't right-click and pick 'take'? --- Click https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=f95f73a0-8b2f-4dff-9945-0f6ad28e4fd1&action=buddy for a Buddy Invite... |

Lilinallte Alleile
Free Unified Spirits of Eve Blood Night Alliance
9
|
Posted - 2013.06.06 12:09:00 -
[110] - Quote
Snapper Pumpkinpuss wrote:i dont care about that its access with my ship thats messed up ...i spent alot of time and training to get a ship that could run alot of sites
you must have been steaming, when everybody received a no-need-for-training-at-all Gnosis:) the first all-in-one explore and loot ship. Armed too, as to keep the lazy ones away:) --- Click https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=f95f73a0-8b2f-4dff-9945-0f6ad28e4fd1&action=buddy for a Buddy Invite... |
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