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Terell Iondar
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 09:42:00 -
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This is the worth change for me. :(
I h8 it.
Found the first ice today, and this is very annoying. Call me names what you want, but this is crapy.
Before i was earning good money and now i ve to carry all my stuff in the ship, arround all my jumps to be prepared for what i find anywhere.
I don't ve more than 1 Account and it should be not so classified by multi accounting. If i got more, sure, i would ve an Orca and 4 Hulks, no problem. But for solo it's no fun anymore.
Maybe i'm a little bit to whiny, but i just reactivate my account and spent time in ice skilling. Now i'm extremely dissapointed.
Just my 2 cents for that topic.
PS. i apologize language speakings - not my native one |

Indalecia
86
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:06:00 -
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Terell Iondar
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:11:00 -
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Yes, i'm thinking about that.
But i'm not sooo happy with some "privileges" which comes with a corp (war, taxes,standings) Mostly i don't have a problem with group up, but where is my freedom then :P
It was just my thinking about the ice changes and what it let me think about it. |

Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
481
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:21:00 -
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Seems to me that if people, who used to run one or more ice-mining accounts afk while doing other stuff, will now cease to mine because it requires activity, this will lead to more ice remaining for those who actively play.
Guess what, CCP prefers players who actively play, even though they have not been very good at designing their game for them. They are trying to change that, and that is commendable.
A pure ice-miner subscription is worthless to the community, it's just a ghost ship using server resources all day and contributing nothing, even if it's not a bot. If CCP loses some of those subs, they will gain others in exchange because EVE will appear more vibrant and active. . |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
170
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:27:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Seems to me that if people, who used to run one or more ice-mining accounts afk while doing other stuff, will now cease to mine because it requires activity, this will lead to more ice remaining for those who actively play.
If wishes were fishes.
I'm just happy that one ice field no longer exists, and those who once camped there, now have to hustle like everyone else for their goods.
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Terell Iondar
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:34:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Seems to me that if people, who used to run one or more ice-mining accounts afk while doing other stuff, will now cease to mine because it requires activity, this will lead to more ice remaining for those who actively play.
Guess what, CCP prefers players who actively play, even though they have not been very good at designing their game for them. They are trying to change that, and that is commendable.
A pure ice-miner subscription is worthless to the community, it's just a ghost ship using server resources all day and contributing nothing, even if it's not a bot. If CCP loses some of those subs, they will gain others in exchange because EVE will appear more vibrant and active.
I wouldn't say that the afk accounts are the only involved ones.
As i said, i travel so many times to find ice. This is the first day after the patch, that i found 1 belt. And i ve to carry all the stuff with me, cause i never guess what i can found outside. So i ve to change the gear in every system, depending what i will find there.
If i have more than one account, there would be no problem. But i don't want to spend money in 2 Accounts or more.
For people like me, who are mining solo, it's not funny at all. I agree that afk mining is a problem and not the point of all. But this is just boring, to travel like hell for ice.
I don't like it and i hope there will be some ppl, who find a better solution than a anomaly spawn. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4160
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Posted - 2013.06.05 12:43:00 -
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As a side effect, whereas before the patch I'd almost always fine Concord in the belt, since the new patch the ships killed have dropped by 75%.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4160
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Posted - 2013.06.05 12:57:00 -
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25 ships (2 Orcas), new belt got depleted in 56 minutes. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Robert Saint
Playright
51
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:10:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Seems to me that if people, who used to run one or more ice-mining accounts afk while doing other stuff, will now cease to mine because it requires activity, this will lead to more ice remaining for those who actively play.
Guess what, CCP prefers players who actively play, even though they have not been very good at designing their game for them. They are trying to change that, and that is commendable.
A pure ice-miner subscription is worthless to the community, it's just a ghost ship using server resources all day and contributing nothing, even if it's not a bot. If CCP loses some of those subs, they will gain others in exchange because EVE will appear more vibrant and active.
i would disagree with the simple ICE miner being totally worthless to the game, assuming it's a real player just trying to win through enterprise expansion.
1) The resource the miner collects is being used by others, the ISK he earns is being used to buy others goods for cooler things. 2) I have multiple accounts because I am OCD and get bored very easily with just watching that ONE laser hit that ONE rock.. 3) I use the ISK to buy more characters, skill them, shoot stuff, make stupid mistakes and lose my pretty things.
You hurt my little miners feelings... :o(
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Kewso
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:21:00 -
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the reason concord was always in an ice belt was for protection against suicide gankers
here's the trick
have someone in a rookie ship sacrifice himself to bring concord to the belt. they hire on someone once to trigger concord
when blown up concord always sits in the belt for hours
now making in suicide ganker get insta popped if they tried.
great protection tactic that has been used for years, at least since 2007 when I started |
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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
174
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:06:00 -
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Kewso wrote:
when blown up concord always sits in the belt for hours
No, they don't. They sit there until they are called to another location. Which is easy to do.
CONCORD has been no detriment to the New Order since the ganking campaign started. Each New Order gank is immediately followed by a New Order CONCORD clearing event. Its all explained at www.minerbumping.com in the GANK tab.
Now, if you have CONCORD in your belt/field and they LEAVE.... well, you probably should to.
Highsec is worth fighting for.
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
653
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:25:00 -
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Here's my feedback.
The new ice anomaly system is working fine.
1) Curtailed the never-ending ISK fountain of ice. Check.
2) Encourages pilots to cooperate and communicate in an interactive manner, if only to take turns "keeping watch" for the next ice anom and then spreading the word. (Or not, if they feel devious and decide to shiv their "buddies".) Check.
3) Put a serious crimp in botting. Check.
I had no trouble findng ice anoms on the first day. You click on the "Scan" icon on your hud, keep it activated, and the scanner will sweep the skies every minute or so. EASY. Even for the whiners.
Then again, I only have two ships -- not 6, 8 or 12.
Which is to say I didn't get addicted to a single, zero-effort style of game play to pay for my PLEX each month.
GOOD JOB, CCP... the new ice anom system gets the slackers OFF THE DOLE.

Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |

UKBigWolf
20
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:46:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:3) Put a serious crimp in botting. Check.
I'd say hold off a while before declaring victory against botters, at least lets see how long until they update their programs  |

Felicity Love
STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate
654
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:06:00 -
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UKBigWolf wrote:Felicity Love wrote:3) Put a serious crimp in botting. Check. I'd say hold off a while before declaring victory against botters, at least lets see how long until they update their programs 
Which is why I said "serious crimp" rather than something along the lines of "extinct". 
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4162
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:14:00 -
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Kewso wrote:the reason concord was always in an ice belt was for protection against suicide gankers
here's the trick
have someone in a rookie ship sacrifice himself to bring concord to the belt. they hire on someone once to trigger concord
when blown up concord always sits in the belt for hours
now making in suicide ganker get insta popped if they tried.
great protection tactic that has been used for years, at least since 2007 when I started
Not really, because whenever they gank someone they corral Concord back to a station. Also, the ships killed in the last 24 hours is ships killed in the last 24 hours, if they did not gank somebody, the bodycount would not be there. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4162
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:16:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:UKBigWolf wrote:Felicity Love wrote:3) Put a serious crimp in botting. Check. I'd say hold off a while before declaring victory against botters, at least lets see how long until they update their programs  Which is why I said "serious crimp" rather than something along the lines of "extinct". 
In case you did not notice, bots infest ore belts just fine and ore belts have the same despawn mechanic.
There's also a "perk" I have found out in the scanner window that makes a simple algo able to detect the ice belts and auto warp to them. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Apollo Cochrane
Hyperion Collective
24
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:40:00 -
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Hello All,
Took me 2 hours to find any ice today. Just to FIND it. Was flying all over the place. Many regions. Finally found some!
My suggestions to CCP:
1. Make both Ore Sites and Ice Sites probe-scannable sigs - NOT STUPID ANOMS that any noob in space diapers can find.
2. Make them respawn after ONE hour.
3. Make both types of sites BIGGER.
Summary: SIGS. ONE-HOUR RESPAWN. BIGGER
Regards,
Apollo.
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March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
710
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:48:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Sitting for four hours ice mining is not very engaging game play, but sitting for four hours doing nothing but waiting for ice to spawn is even less. Note: sitting in belt you can be suicide ganked sitting in station - you are safe
addition to player interaction i guess |

Apollo Cochrane
Hyperion Collective
24
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:02:00 -
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I mean look at this. How am does CCP think the belts are gonna last with this shenanigans going on? lol |

Baden Luskan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:20:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Dirty blobbers.
Any exploits today, Goon?
I am defiantly not a fan of the goons, but come on....you guys try way to hard to pin everything on them. |
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
New Eden Asteroid Preservation Society
2997
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:21:00 -
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Sounds like ice miners are getting a s.mall taste of what it's like to live in a wormhole, waiting for sites to randomly spawn. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1869
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:25:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
In case you did not notice, bots infest ore belts just fine and ore belts have the same roid depletion mechanic.
Not really. It takes a large fleet of dedicated miners hours to strip-mine an ore belt to oblivion, and it always spawns in the same spot on an absolutely preditable cycle.
Ice? 20, 30, maybe 40 minutes, and it's gone. And it pops up around the system - four hours after last depletion. Depending on how fast the ice locusts latch onto a new spawn, your next spawn will be adjusted in time. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Baden Luskan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:39:00 -
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Many of you ice miners are looking at the spawn mechanics the wrong way. CCP wants to limit high sec to only 80% of the total population's ice needs. This means, if you are a miner and not finding belts, then you will need to maybe look somewhere else besides high sec.
For those of you old enough to remember, back in the 70s and 80s, it was common to see 3 or 4 gas stations at the same intersection in various spots across towns. Now, its rare to see more than 2 per an intersection. What happened to the other gas stations? They closed up and disappeared or moved to another location. If you can't see the analogy I am making, then you will most likely be one of the ice miners who disappears. |

Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
191
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:42:00 -
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silens vesica wrote: It takes a large fleet of dedicated miners hours to strip-mine an ore belt to oblivion
Err, no. Two max skills Hulks and a skilled Orca can do it in a couple of hours.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4162
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:42:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Sounds like ice miners are getting a s.mall taste of what it's like to live in a wormhole, waiting for sites to randomly spawn.
.. and like in WHs they can make hundreds of millions a hou.... oh wait. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
191
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:43:00 -
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Baden Luskan wrote:Many of you ice miners are looking at the spawn mechanics the wrong way. CCP wants to limit high sec to only 80% of the total population's ice needs. This means, if you are a miner and not finding belts, then you will need to maybe look somewhere else besides high sec.
I'm pretty sure nobody is going to head into low sec to mine ice with their Orca and Macks. If they do, well, they'll be heading to the nearest hub to buy new ones in a few hours when the insurance pays out.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4162
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:49:00 -
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Baden Luskan wrote:Many of you ice miners are looking at the spawn mechanics the wrong way. CCP wants to limit high sec to only 80% of the total population's ice needs. This means, if you are a miner and not finding belts, then you will need to maybe look somewhere else besides high sec.
Blah blah I have done mining everywhere. Guess what, even just to go mine low sec you need to be part of a powerful corporation that can protect the miners (and only a minority of low sec corps want to do that), camp the gates and scount the WHs.
In case it was not clear enough, those who do pay $15 but can only play 1-2 hours a day, are not welcome to those corps, neither because of being industrialists (and not PvPers) nor because of doing so little in the corp.
I *was* in such a corp, then RL took over and now, no low or null sec adventures for me any more.
But keep harpying, I am sure you'll convince those RL work bosses to give bountiful additional hours to their workers so they can join what's needed to go mine low / null sec.
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1870
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:49:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Seems to me that if people, who used to run one or more ice-mining accounts afk while doing other stuff, will now cease to mine because it requires activity, this will lead to more ice remaining for those who actively play. Eh. My casual mining alt will just go back to melting rocks most of the time. If there's an Ice Spawn, he'll re-ship to exploit. Voila! Est solutionem!
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
829
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:49:00 -
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Baden Luskan wrote:Many of you ice miners are looking at the spawn mechanics the wrong way. CCP wants to limit high sec to only 80% of the total population's ice needs. This means, if you are a miner and not finding belts, then you will need to maybe look somewhere else besides high sec.
For those of you old enough to remember, back in the 70s and 80s, it was common to see 3 or 4 gas stations at the same intersection in various spots across towns. Now, its rare to see more than 2 per an intersection. What happened to the other gas stations? They closed up and disappeared or moved to another location. If you can't see the analogy I am making, then you will most likely be one of the ice miners who disappears.
It should be less then 80% of the total ice needs. But it's a good start. R Tape Loading Error |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1870
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:51:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:silens vesica wrote: It takes a large fleet of dedicated miners hours to strip-mine an ore belt to oblivion Err, no. Two max skills Hulks and a skilled Orca can do it in a couple of hours. Technically possible - I've personally never seen it happen. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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