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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:14:00 -
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Today I returned back home from work, then wanted to see the new ice minining mechanic in action.
I have to say that it seem to work quite well, I'd have some remarks to point out.
1) It'd be very nice if the ice roids shrunk while depleting. It'd be both realistic and useful.
2) The ice fields get depleted a bit too fast.
Why:
- Today we had no bots (and people actually chatted!), they are still broken due to the patch.
Moreover there's a lot of people who did not inform themselves about the patch (so they don't know what to do), unable to log in etc. etc.
This resulted in 37 to 55 people being in local instead of 190 to 222.
- Despite the low number of people in local, the reference ice fields depleted in about 1.40 hours. Once numbers pick up, this means the spawn will last as little as 30 minutes.
All those who can't play for 2-3 hours won't get a slice of the spawn, hopping across several jumps with ships unable to even perform a full warp (small capacitor) won't help them enjoy the time they have got.
- At the same time, the lasers cycle twice as fast.
Imo the "chance to access" the spawns would be better (keeping the overall mined amounts constant) if the lasers would be slowed again and maybe respawn timers lowered to 3 hours.
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Shukuzen
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:22:00 -
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My ice mining corp made over 200 pieces of ice in a hilariously short amount of time(with only 2 of them mining). I think ice mining is perfect :D
It was actually a lot more fun than parking a mackinaw in a belt and checking on it every half an hour. |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:43:00 -
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Unless you log in after 1 minute the belt has been mined out, then you're SOL for 4 hours.
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GreenSeed
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:47:00 -
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the problem is belt respawning 4 hours after the current belt is completely exhausted. it should be every 4 hours, period. At least this change would make the spawn predictable and people could time other in game activities accordingly. |
Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:52:00 -
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does anyone know what happens when you're already in system and the ice anom respawns? does the scanner sweep again, or does the ice anom just show up as a new site? |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:53:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:the problem is belt respawning 4 hours after the current belt is completely exhausted. it should be every 4 hours, period. At least this change would make the spawn predictable and people could time other in game activities accordingly.
Yeah the key problem with current spawn is that no one knows when the next belt will spawn.
Most fleet conversations go like this:
"So when will the ice belt spawn?"
"I don't know. We mined it out like 3 hours ago so maybe in one more."
*an hour later*
"Has the belt spawned yet?"
"I don't know. I actually lost count of the time we mined it out."
If there was a count down timer in the system scanner to let you know when the belt is going to spawn, it would save a lot of grief over the issue.
No one wants to sit there for an indeterminate amount of time hoping that they'll get
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Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:54:00 -
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Iosue wrote:does anyone know what happens when you're already in system and the ice anom respawns? does the scanner sweep again, or does the ice anom just show up as a new site?
You have to keep mashing the scan button as far as I can tell.
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Mc Scam
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:54:00 -
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Sounds to me like you need to band together and kill the botters, less off them more ice for you, it's that simple.
Also if you work together in bigger corps/alliances(ice cartels, who knows, ice might be the next technetium) you can have intel when stuff spawns monitor movement of suicide gankers etc. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
4272
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:56:00 -
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High sec problems.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1548
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Posted - 2013.06.04 20:56:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Iosue wrote:does anyone know what happens when you're already in system and the ice anom respawns? does the scanner sweep again, or does the ice anom just show up as a new site? You have to keep mashing the scan button as far as I can tell.
You can't mash the scan button btw ... new anomalies are supposed to show up instantly on the scanner if you have it sweeping ... YMMV as it's still a bit buggy.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.06.04 21:02:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Iosue wrote:does anyone know what happens when you're already in system and the ice anom respawns? does the scanner sweep again, or does the ice anom just show up as a new site? You have to keep mashing the scan button as far as I can tell. You can't mash the scan button btw ... new anomalies are supposed to show up instantly on the scanner if you have it sweeping ... YMMV as it's still a bit buggy.
By mashing I mean I click the scan probes option and then close out the window and do it again. Rather tedious.
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Dave Stark
3077
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Posted - 2013.06.04 21:04:00 -
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looks like it's working well. |
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.04 21:28:00 -
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Wow hisec must be so difficult now.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4156
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Posted - 2013.06.04 21:47:00 -
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Mc Scam wrote:Sounds to me like you need to band together and kill the botters, less off them more ice for you, it's that simple.
Also if you work together in bigger corps/alliances(ice cartels, who knows, ice might be the next technetium) you can have intel when stuff spawns monitor movement of suicide gankers etc.
Cartels won't happen when their result is to reduce the amount of stuff the individual can take.
In fact you made the typical example (technetium) of something that won't despawn and thus is a top candidate for organizing about.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4156
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Posted - 2013.06.04 21:49:00 -
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Implying Implications wrote:Wow hisec must be so difficult now.
Anyone implied that? Your eyes do not seem to keep up with your name.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Aegis Solaris
1939
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Posted - 2013.06.04 21:58:00 -
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The miners could set up a mailing list and send out the times ice belts despawn. It would increase the amount of ice any given miner get because then he will then know what system to go to for ice. Thus it would be in everyone's interest to support it.
Sitting for four hours ice mining is not very engaging game play, but sitting for four hours doing nothing but waiting for ice to spawn is even less.
The scanner does keep running automatically if you keep the scan window open. Im not sure if its closed as to what happens.
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Veraca Darmazaf
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.04 22:02:00 -
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The scanner updates when the server pushes an update to you, according to a blue CCP name in help chat earlier. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4157
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:01:00 -
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I am now waiting since 5 hours and no ice anomaly respawned yet. What gives?
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2170
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:02:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I am now waiting since 5 hours and no ice anomaly respawned yet. What gives?
Working as intended...not.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:40:00 -
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Still waiting for ice belt to repop.
Only 28 in local (that gives out the fact that I am not "missing" the spawn), I also relogged 3 times to make sure my client is not the issue.
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Anti-social Tendencies
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:58:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:
Sitting for four hours ice mining is not very engaging game play, but sitting for four hours doing nothing but waiting for ice to spawn is even less.
That is what will likely keep me from Ice mining. I've been mining ice for a long time as an activity to keep one of my toons busy while I am doing other stuff. However, if the hisec belts are mined out in an hour, only to respawn again 4 hours later, that gives me only a 20% chance of ever logging on to find an ice belt to mine. That isn't worth it for me to keep an Ice miner in system at all times. So, I don't think I'll be mining ice anymore.
What I won't do is wait around for 4 hours waiting for an ice belt to show up, or send a toon xx many jumps to an ice belt system just to "check on" the appearance of an ice belt.
I'll find something else for that toon to do or I'll consolidate and drop an account. This isn't a complaint however. It just means that an activity that was useful for me in EVE will no longer be useful.
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Zhade Lezte
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:15:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Mc Scam wrote:Sounds to me like you need to band together and kill the botters, less off them more ice for you, it's that simple.
Also if you work together in bigger corps/alliances(ice cartels, who knows, ice might be the next technetium) you can have intel when stuff spawns monitor movement of suicide gankers etc. Cartels won't happen when their result is to reduce the amount of stuff the individual can take. In fact you made the typical example (technetium) of something that won't despawn and thus is a top candidate for organizing about.
 You're gonna have to explain your logic VV, something that despawns is irrelevant when it respawns in a very predictable location, in fact that limited supply that comes from this mechanic makes it more desirable to form a cartel around. If tech towers only mined for one hour every four in the great heyday it would only make tech worth 4x as much. Perhaps you're just thinking of the "fix" to moon minerals of making them deplete and respawn in random locations and thus unintentionally comparing apples and oranges? 
Only semi-related rambling about the viability of cartelizing ice ahead, not addressed to anyone in particular:
For cartelizing ice you would definitely going to have a much harder time at it compared to old tech due to them not being ridiculously regionalized like tech was, though each separate racial ice type is still vaguely regionalized so it's a possibility, not nearly as much as it was when it was all mined in highsec but at least low and null require less manpower per system to pretty much shut down in ideal conditions. CFC could possibly lightly cartel caldari ice due to owning most caldari sov with a very coordinated approach. It wouldn't be perfect for sure.
Killing the competition isn't really viable in highsec though, at least in terms of straight game mechanics for the average joe. If you wardec your competitors they'll just disband/reform corp or drop corp in almost all situations. As much as I'd like to agree with the sentiment of Mc Scam that's just not something your average eve joe can really hope to take a shot at with the current rules massively benefiting the defender in highsec, whether by suicide gank or targeted wardec. |
Zhade Lezte
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:20:00 -
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Also complaining about "waiting for an ice spawn isn't interesting gameplay" seems kind of trite to me. You're the one choosing to do nothing, perhaps you'd like to mine highsec ore and wait for the belt to spawn. Better yet, perhaps one of your corpmates (or you, in a corp with other real people) wants to mine in highsec/watch streaming videos/etc. while everyone does other things in other systems and when he calls out BELT HO you all head to system to mine? Goodness, be a bit more creative folks! |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4158
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:24:00 -
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It popped now. It took much more than 4 hours.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4158
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:29:00 -
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Zhade Lezte wrote: You're gonna have to explain your logic VV, something that despawns is irrelevant when it respawns in a very predictable location, in fact that limited supply that comes from this mechanic makes it more desirable to form a cartel around. If tech towers only mined for one hour every four in the great heyday it would only make tech worth 4x as much. Perhaps you're just thinking of the "fix" to moon minerals of making them deplete and respawn in random locations and thus unintentionally comparing apples and oranges?
Hi sec Ice belts cannot be protected by sov. They are very easy to find (not even need to probe them down), a cartel will have people that will share information about where / when belts spawn but wait... the residents will have found them before you even arrive and now you are sharing the info with others who will mine off the same pool.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
3596
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:30:00 -
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The belts in Aydoteaux, Tolle and Carirgnottin lasted about 15 minutes each spawn. A huge mob of ships started in Aydoteaux, swept locust-like through Tolle and Carirgnottin onwards to Anymonne and Antollare. There were enough miners already in-game immediately after the patch that the sites were only lasting 20 minutes.
Most of us were intelligent enough to set a timer upon expiry of the belt to allow us to return to the game in plenty of time to undock, form the fleet and get to the site before it was hoovered up completely.
Ice harvesting is no longer for the AFK pilots.
Rather than a "cartel" I can imagine folks combining forces to divvy up the sites into "shares": you don't touch my ice, I won't touch yours.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4158
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:36:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:
Most of us were intelligent enough to set a timer upon expiry of the belt to allow us to return to the game in plenty of time to undock, form the fleet and get to the site before it was hoovered up completely.
Ice harvesting is no longer for the AFK pilots.
While I actually appreciate it's no longer for AFK pilots, I appreciate less the fact that those without a chance to "wait it out" like you did are going to be royally screwed.
I also could wait from 17.40 to right now, but imagine all those without extensive game time. They are SOL plus they don't even have a timer to know since how long the spawn has gone and thus when to try again.
I have done some little experiments about asking people around in local for respawn timers, in these hours I got... zero replies.
This will have consequences on the number of subs and thus on the game health.
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Sentamon
995
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:40:00 -
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You can increase the value of your limited ice mining time by setting up a cloaked ship in nullsec ice systems while you wait for a respawn.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:46:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:You can increase the value of your limited ice mining time by setting up a cloaked ship in nullsec ice systems while you wait for a respawn.
Not efficient.
You are raising the value of "no lifers" ice in a massive proportion compared to your limited stock. Basically your sub time is being spent to enrich somebody else say 5 times more than you.
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DauntlessK
Research Industry Mining and Support
Gatekeepers Universe
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:52:00 -
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When I was running anoms earlier, they did not require rescanning, they simply popped into existence (i had my sweep on continuous). I think it might be helpful to have some sort of indication if something spawns, a sound or some sort of notification. |
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