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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
3635
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Posted - 2013.06.06 09:14:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:they all respawned at downtime so obviously there still repsawning at similar times to each other, and similar times of day. in a month's time they will all be more spread out.
I don't see how that will happen. They might spread out to spawn in sequence after however many seconds it takes to mine them out.
The only real solution is to look for the ice belts in low, null, and perhaps the hisec islands.
Though it would reduce the complaining if CCP was to halve the size of the belts and spawn them after 2 hours instead of 4. At least people wouldn't go through an entire play session with no ice visible.
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
200
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Posted - 2013.06.06 10:03:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:The only real solution is to look for the ice belts in low, null, and perhaps the hisec islands.
Or truly randomizing the spawn time and location.
If the spawn and time is set, the same issues will repeat itself.
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
~George Orwell
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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
201
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Posted - 2013.06.06 10:04:00 -
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Well.... after having read this entire thread I'm thinking that the changes to high-sec ice are working entirely as intended.
I'm also no longer thinking that there could be a shortage of minerals due to people migrating in large numbers to ice mining. The carrying capacity just isn't there, which is a relief to hear. There is nothing at all wrong with how ice is working. there is just a massive over-capacity of ice-miners in high-sec and the process of adjustment has only just started.
Personally, I've already given up on mining ice in high-sec and gone back to semi-afk mining ore instead. Many others will too.
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
Whores in space
404
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Posted - 2013.06.06 10:11:00 -
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floating in space wrote:High-sec cartels ganking people? lol
What would that cost look like? Not just in ISK for ships but dozens of extra accounts, because you can't do it with a mining character if you ever plan on using it again. How much do Ice miners make?
Do you people think anything through?
The changes will just make Ice mining a hassle, that's all. People will still do it but enjoy it less, probably quit eventually.
Just pay us to kill them. You know.. we have a nice advertisement in the crime and stuff forum. Pay the wardec.. and we kill everything you want. |
Dave Stark
3089
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Posted - 2013.06.06 10:26:00 -
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N0 Quarter wrote:Dave Stark wrote:N0 Quarter wrote:Your trying to judge that I'm "Lazy" because I have had a bad run of trying to find them for the time I have been on [and yes, looking in Systems that had Ice Belts originally]. So your either Trolling, or your just not reading Correctly.
I have explored.
I haven't found many.
Usually when I get there, it has 1 - 3 blocks left.
By the time I get in range, it is Depleted.
The point that your clearly missing that I'm trying to make is...
Everything needs tweaking after a release, nothing is ever released perfect. or you could stop whining about a perfectly fine system? it came out 2 days ago, they all respawned at downtime so obviously there still repsawning at similar times to each other, and similar times of day. in a month's time they will all be more spread out. you're trying to make a point that doesn't exist, nothing needs tweaking at all. you're just whining for the sake of it since you've yet to actually deliver a legitimate point as to why this change is "bad" other than "i have actually gotta go look for things now" just like every other player in the game. Again with trying to judge the way I am. If you have a reading disability, then that's all good, I truly am sorry to hear it, but on that Note, I only speak with Mature people, you are obviously not 1 of those. It's been a pleasure. o7
i'm not judging you at all. you simply say that the 4 hour respawn is denying people access to content. which is false, stop being lazy, move to another system, and find an ice site. the only thing denying people content is their laziness.
it seems when presented with a fact you enter some form of denial and tell me i have some kind of impairment. |
baltec1
Bat Country
6846
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Posted - 2013.06.06 10:28:00 -
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So I just logged on my alt and found ice in five minutes. |
Dave Stark
3089
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Posted - 2013.06.06 10:29:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Dave Stark wrote:they all respawned at downtime so obviously there still repsawning at similar times to each other, and similar times of day. in a month's time they will all be more spread out. I don't see how that will happen. They might spread out to spawn in sequence after however many seconds it takes to mine them out. The only real solution is to look for the ice belts in low, null, and perhaps the hisec islands. Though it would reduce the complaining if CCP was to halve the size of the belts and spawn them after 2 hours instead of 4. At least people wouldn't go through an entire play session with no ice visible.
because unless they're all mined out at an identical rate, at the same time, it's inevitable that they will become more randomised. it won't happen instantly, it's a gradual process akin to a "random walk". |
Dave Stark
3089
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Posted - 2013.06.06 10:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:So I just logged on my alt and found ice in five minutes.
don't hold out on them, share your secret! then perhaps we won't have to read any more of these threads. |
baltec1
Bat Country
6846
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Posted - 2013.06.06 10:34:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:baltec1 wrote:So I just logged on my alt and found ice in five minutes. don't hold out on them, share your secret! then perhaps we won't have to read any more of these threads.
But I love miner tears.
Incidently miners seem to be parking freighters in these things now. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
149
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Posted - 2013.06.06 10:36:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:the problem is belt respawning 4 hours after the current belt is completely exhausted. it should be every 4 hours, period. At least this change would make the spawn predictable and people could time other in game activities accordingly.
But then the lab rats and mice in the labirynth wouldn't have to work for their goodies, that could severely slow their evolution and delay the development to true sentience by several generations...
There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
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Dave Stark
3090
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Posted - 2013.06.06 10:49:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dave Stark wrote:baltec1 wrote:So I just logged on my alt and found ice in five minutes. don't hold out on them, share your secret! then perhaps we won't have to read any more of these threads. But I love miner tears. Incidently miners seem to be parking freighters in these things now.
they did in the old belts too, i thought you'd have noticed that one?
i've been mining ice non stop for 3 weeks prior to odyssey and it wasn't uncommon for there to be 10+ miners, an orca, and a freighter all sat there mostly afk. it was just screaming for a disco party.
if you're reasonably afk, it's ideal. it takes ~5.3hrs (more pre odyssey, obviously) of boosted mackinaw mining to fill one, as apposed to the ~hour/hour and a half it'd take to fill an orca. so between being afk and running massive amounts of accounts freighters have been ideal since they were able to scoop from orcas cargo holds.
if i'm not mistaken monk and his belligerent undesirables have made a pretty penny joining corps, turning up to their mining operations, and awoxing a few miners and getting pilots to eject from their orcas/freighters. easiest 1.5bn isk some one could make, really. |
laassaalos Kiblos
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
1
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:15:00 -
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Ok first up I am not a mining care bare so the following might just be complete junk.
I live in low sec and do small gangs a few times a week and we use a things called.... A SCOUT!
Why not just have multiple mining vessels docked in a large region. Send out scouts to scan for ice. Once found everyone hops into their shuttle gets to the closes mining boat and goes to the belt.
Even better, hire a scout that looks for ice belts while you mine, so that you know where to head next.... give him like 1% of the minerals per miner so something like that and problem solved.  |
Naburi NasNaburi
distress signals
179
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:19:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Iosue wrote:does anyone know what happens when you're already in system and the ice anom respawns? does the scanner sweep again, or does the ice anom just show up as a new site? You have to keep mashing the scan button as far as I can tell. You can't mash the scan button btw ... new anomalies are supposed to show up instantly on the scanner if you have it sweeping ... YMMV as it's still a bit buggy. By mashing I mean I click the scan probes option and then close out the window and do it again. Rather tedious.
Simple fix: Show Anomalies box: uncheck - check. Tada new nomlies on your scan. |
Seniae 0n3
32
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:25:00 -
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Naburi NasNaburi wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Iosue wrote:does anyone know what happens when you're already in system and the ice anom respawns? does the scanner sweep again, or does the ice anom just show up as a new site? You have to keep mashing the scan button as far as I can tell. You can't mash the scan button btw ... new anomalies are supposed to show up instantly on the scanner if you have it sweeping ... YMMV as it's still a bit buggy. By mashing I mean I click the scan probes option and then close out the window and do it again. Rather tedious. Simple fix: Show Anomalies box: uncheck - check. Tada new nomlies on your scan.
Dang nabs you're so smart ... what would we do without you :) ... *wavies* |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
3639
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:27:00 -
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laassaalos Kiblos wrote:Why not just have multiple mining vessels docked in a large region. Send out scouts to scan for ice. Once found everyone hops into their shuttle gets to the closes mining boat and goes to the belt.
It's easier than that: simply run a timer from when each belt was last depleted. You already know which systems they're going to spawn in anyway (poor design IMHO) so you just have to head over there at the appropriate time.
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1007
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:36:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:laassaalos Kiblos wrote:Why not just have multiple mining vessels docked in a large region. Send out scouts to scan for ice. Once found everyone hops into their shuttle gets to the closes mining boat and goes to the belt. It's easier than that: simply run a timer from when each belt was last depleted. You already know which systems they're going to spawn in anyway (poor design IMHO) so you just have to head over there at the appropriate time.
Eh, silly question but could you share that knowledge perhaps?
Been running around in Amarr space and I haven't got a clue where the ice belts are now.  |
Johnnie Blue
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:41:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:laassaalos Kiblos wrote:Why not just have multiple mining vessels docked in a large region. Send out scouts to scan for ice. Once found everyone hops into their shuttle gets to the closes mining boat and goes to the belt. It's easier than that: simply run a timer from when each belt was last depleted. You already know which systems they're going to spawn in anyway (poor design IMHO) so you just have to head over there at the appropriate time. Eh, silly question but could you share that knowledge perhaps? Been running around in Amarr space and I haven't got a clue where the ice belts are now.
The complete list of high security systems that will contain Clear Icicle anomalies is: Afivad, Agal, Avada, Bashakru, Chanoun, Dantan, Dihra, Erkinen, Esteban, Gamis, Gelhan, Gosalav, Jarzalad, Jerma, Kothe, Manatirid, Miah, Moutid, Ordion, Raravoss, Riavayed, Seil, Talidal, Warouh.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for |
Naburi NasNaburi
distress signals
179
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:43:00 -
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Seniae 0n3 wrote:
Dang nabs you're so smart ... what would we do without you :) ... *wavies*
Psst not smart.. found this out on accident.. when my alt couldnt see any nomlies at all :P |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1007
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:43:00 -
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Johnnie Blue wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:laassaalos Kiblos wrote:Why not just have multiple mining vessels docked in a large region. Send out scouts to scan for ice. Once found everyone hops into their shuttle gets to the closes mining boat and goes to the belt. It's easier than that: simply run a timer from when each belt was last depleted. You already know which systems they're going to spawn in anyway (poor design IMHO) so you just have to head over there at the appropriate time. Eh, silly question but could you share that knowledge perhaps? Been running around in Amarr space and I haven't got a clue where the ice belts are now. The complete list of high security systems that will contain Clear Icicle anomalies is: Afivad, Agal, Avada, Bashakru, Chanoun, Dantan, Dihra, Erkinen, Esteban, Gamis, Gelhan, Gosalav, Jarzalad, Jerma, Kothe, Manatirid, Miah, Moutid, Ordion, Raravoss, Riavayed, Seil, Talidal, Warouh. http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for
Thank you good sir!
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
2549
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:49:00 -
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I have removed some rumor mongering and personal attacks from this thread.
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Rhoads07
Arma Purgatorium
Templis Dragonaors
1
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Posted - 2013.06.06 11:52:00 -
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*Since Devs think they can just lock posts because they think they are the same when in fact they are not, I'll just re-post here with my response the Devs think they are going to block ....
 #1Posted: 2013.06.06 11:14 | Report
Hey CCP,
So here we go. I realize what I am about to say will receive criticism and possibly trolls. While I don't appreciate the common "fu's" and the typical name calling I will refrain from acknowledging them.
This is a heads up to all CCP members that they have really screwed over secondary account AFK miners. My first major problem with it is the four hour re-spawn time after a field has depleted. This is a problem for me because I am not on CCP's time I am on my own. And these sites have been depleting like crazy. I have twice arrived a site now to have it completely deplete before I even manage one cycle.
This now leaps into a second major issue. Its very anti-fleet friendly because the ice is in such competition all of a sudden that the only thing people want is a field to themselves. And with the combination of rapidly depleting sites and smaller fleets this makes miners more approachable by suicide gankers in cheap frigates. Another aspect I don't appreciate about this patch.
Like I stated in the beginning, my concerns with this are in regard to my secondary afk ice mining character. My primary operates ships like Tengu's in the Militia and cannot afford to pay so much attention to an ice miner that is now more vulnerable and active at the same time. So myself, along with a group of others that I affiliate with, are deactivating our ice mining accounts as they serve less of a beneficial purpose than they did before.
Regardless of what others think this is case in point. Silly nerfs like that to a players primary gamestyle will cause you to lose money. Because plain and simply they will deactivate those secondary accounts that have less use for them now. As I am doing now. Thanks for making a game, that was already a full time job before, even more difficult in this aspect of ice mining...
Your disappointed customer,
JDRhoads
As I had predicted in the previous thread I fully expected you followers and peasants to blindly be sheparded wherever the company wishes to take you. So have your trolololol's because no F's were given!  |
Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
361
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:00:00 -
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Rhoads07 wrote:*Since Devs think they can just lock posts because they think they are the same when in fact they are not, I'll just re-post here with my response the Devs think they are going to block .... As I had predicted in the previous thread I fully expected you followers and peasants to blindly be sheparded wherever the company wishes to take you. So have your trolololol's because no F's were given!
It was exactly the same drivel that's rampant in this thread. "Waa I can't afk and win this game anymore". Amuginsly enough, one would imagine you'd have lots of time to concentrate on your mining character, considering your pvp character sure isn't getting any action. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
3640
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:07:00 -
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Johnnie Blue wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote:Eh, silly question but could you share that knowledge perhaps? Been running around in Amarr space and I haven't got a clue where the ice belts are now. The complete list of high security systems that will contain Clear Icicle anomalies is: Afivad, Agal, Avada, Bashakru, Chanoun, Dantan, Dihra, Erkinen, Esteban, Gamis, Gelhan, Gosalav, Jarzalad, Jerma, Kothe, Manatirid, Miah, Moutid, Ordion, Raravoss, Riavayed, Seil, Talidal, Warouh. http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for
And as for when they will appear, it's 4 hours from the time they were depleted. I'm not 100% certain, but I think it's 4 hours to the minute. So as long as you're aware of when a previous instance of this system's ice field was seen, you should be able to reliably predict the time it will next appear.
And since the ice fields are reset at DT, you always know when the first one appeared :)
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Rhoads07
Arma Purgatorium
Templis Dragonaors
1
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:07:00 -
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Borlag Crendraven wrote:[quote=Rhoads07]Amuginsly enough, one would imagine you'd have lots of time to concentrate on your mining character, considering your pvp character sure isn't getting any action.
Perhaps you meant amusingly? ... You also make the foolish presumption this is my primary. Keep trying though... Only trolololol's is on this side! |
John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
43
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:15:00 -
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The New Order of Highsec couldn't be happier about the changes to the ice fields.
There is a certain amount of desperation out in those ice anoms. Yield fitting is back and bigger than ever. There are anti-tanked Orcas in every anom just asking for it. Our bumpers are more effective than ever and permit sales are through the roof. Just landing in an ice anom in a Stabber Fleet Issue causes a bit of panic these days. And all that is stuffed into a little 50km ball of awesome! It's all a bit over-whelming to be honest.
Also, we're running a special on permits in celebration of this incredible expansion! You can purchase your own permit for 10 million isk and every other permit you buy for "friends," corp-mates, or even family will only cost an additional 10 million isk per character!
If you think you have what it takes to join the New Order, contact the nearest Agent immediately. We can't wait to hear from you!
Well done CCP!
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Rhoads07
Arma Purgatorium
Templis Dragonaors
1
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:15:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:[quote=Rhoads07]
also i'm sure this "will cause you to lose money" argument is wrong, old, and terrible. i'm sure it's more dead and flogged than the "nerf afk cloaking" horse.
Would you care to elaborate?
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Xython
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
1104
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:23:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
- Today we had no bots (and people actually chatted!), they are still broken due to the patch.
Moreover there's a lot of people who did not inform themselves about the patch (so they don't know what to do), unable to log in etc. etc.
This resulted in 37 to 55 people being in local instead of 190 to 222.
... You don't realize that those two comments are directly related? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4164
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:24:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:laassaalos Kiblos wrote:Why not just have multiple mining vessels docked in a large region. Send out scouts to scan for ice. Once found everyone hops into their shuttle gets to the closes mining boat and goes to the belt. It's easier than that: simply run a timer from when each belt was last depleted. You already know which systems they're going to spawn in anyway (poor design IMHO) so you just have to head over there at the appropriate time.
I am greatly enyoing having 17 in local (most being my alts).
I am now abusing of one of the worst MMO gameplay mechanics ever invented in the industry for great profit.
If I was a regular EvE crappy selfish mindset player I'd be overly happy that a popular feature just got restricted to those like me. But alas I am not.
If a 222 people in local system will remain 17 in local for the rest of the month, it means that a sizable portion of playerbase got downright cut off.
What'll happen when those 222 - 17 subs will be about to expire? I don't want to EvE to slow down development / miss features because CCP trashed 20% of their playerbase overnight.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4164
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:25:00 -
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Xython wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
- Today we had no bots (and people actually chatted!), they are still broken due to the patch.
Moreover there's a lot of people who did not inform themselves about the patch (so they don't know what to do), unable to log in etc. etc.
This resulted in 37 to 55 people being in local instead of 190 to 222.
... You don't realize that those two comments are directly related?
They are partly and obviously related. But since I also know how many were botting, there's still a drop of about 60%+ of the "real" players.
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Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
361
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Posted - 2013.06.06 12:27:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Xython wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
- Today we had no bots (and people actually chatted!), they are still broken due to the patch.
Moreover there's a lot of people who did not inform themselves about the patch (so they don't know what to do), unable to log in etc. etc.
This resulted in 37 to 55 people being in local instead of 190 to 222.
... You don't realize that those two comments are directly related? They are partly and obviously related. But since I also know how many were botting, there's still a drop of about 60%+ of the "real" players.
Some of them might be taking advantage of the ease in finding grav sites too. Give it a little bit of time before making any long term predictions about how many are truly quitting. |
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