the problem is belt respawning 4 hours after the current belt is completely exhausted. it should be every 4 hours, period. At least this change would make the spawn predictable and people could time other in game activities accordingly.

does anyone know what happens when you're already in system and the ice anom respawns? does the scanner sweep again, or does the ice anom just show up as a new site?

You have to keep mashing the scan button as far as I can tell.

You can't mash the scan button btw ... new anomalies are supposed to show up instantly on the scanner if you have it sweeping ... YMMV as it's still a bit buggy.

Sounds to me like you need to band together and kill the botters, less off them more ice for you, it's that simple.

Also if you work together in bigger corps/alliances(ice cartels, who knows, ice might be the next technetium) you can have intel when stuff spawns monitor movement of suicide gankers etc.

Wow hisec must be so difficult now.

I am now waiting since 5 hours and no ice anomaly respawned yet. What gives?

Sitting for four hours ice mining is not very engaging game play, but sitting for four hours doing nothing but waiting for ice to spawn is even less.

Cartels won't happen when their result is to reduce the amount of stuff the individual can take.
In fact you made the typical example (technetium) of something that won't despawn and thus is a top candidate for organizing about.

You're gonna have to explain your logic VV, something that despawns is irrelevant when it respawns in a very predictable location, in fact that limited supply that comes from this mechanic makes it more desirable to form a cartel around. If tech towers only mined for one hour every four in the great heyday it would only make tech worth 4x as much. Perhaps you're just thinking of the "fix" to moon minerals of making them deplete and respawn in random locations and thus unintentionally comparing apples and oranges?

Most of us were intelligent enough to set a timer upon expiry of the belt to allow us to return to the game in plenty of time to undock, form the fleet and get to the site before it was hoovered up completely.

Ice harvesting is no longer for the AFK pilots.

You can increase the value of your limited ice mining time by setting up a cloaked ship in nullsec ice systems while you wait for a respawn.

Imo the "chance to access" the spawns would be better (keeping the overall mined amounts constant) if the lasers would be slowed again and maybe respawn timers lowered to 3 hours.

If they slowed the lasers the IsBoxers/Bots would return.

It's the long cycles that caused the multiboxers to exist -- Cause + Effect.

Probably some tuning of the fields to last a tad longer to reflect the new speed of the mining lasers would be ideal (as the laser speed was the problem to begin with).

I have done some little experiments about asking people around in local for respawn timers, in these hours I got... zero replies.

This will have consequences on the number of subs and thus on the game health.

Not efficient.

You are raising the value of "no lifers" ice in a massive proportion compared to your limited stock. Basically your sub time is being spent to enrich somebody else say 5 times more than you.

It popped now. It took much more than 4 hours.


Edit:

last spawn was around 17:40, so do the math.

Today I returned back home from work, then wanted to see the new ice minining mechanic in action.

I have to say that it seem to work quite well, I'd have some remarks to point out.


1) It'd be very nice if the ice roids shrunk while depleting. It'd be both realistic and useful.

2) The ice fields get depleted a bit too fast.

Why:

- Today we had no bots (and people actually chatted!), they are still broken due to the patch.
Moreover there's a lot of people who did not inform themselves about the patch (so they don't know what to do), unable to log in etc. etc.
This resulted in 37 to 55 people being in local instead of 190 to 222.

- Despite the low number of people in local, the reference ice fields depleted in about 1.40 hours. Once numbers pick up, this means the spawn will last as little as 30 minutes.

All those who can't play for 2-3 hours won't get a slice of the spawn, hopping across several jumps with ships unable to even perform a full warp (small capacitor) won't help them enjoy the time they have got.

- At the same time, the lasers cycle twice as fast.


Imo the "chance to access" the spawns would be better (keeping the overall mined amounts constant) if the lasers would be slowed again and maybe respawn timers lowered to 3 hours.

I can see IsBoxers (legit players until CCP decides they are not) being heavily hampered: not by the laser cycling but the roids forcing them to split their ships over multiple roids (that will deplete very fast anyway) and thus preventing their "synchronized" game from happening. Even if CCP kept the old lasers cycles, the roids still despawn after few minutes, still make they have to split their fleet over multiple roids.

Today I returned back home from work, then wanted to see the new ice minining mechanic in action.

I have to say that it seem to work quite well, I'd have some remarks to point out.


1) It'd be very nice if the ice roids shrunk while depleting. It'd be both realistic and useful.

2) The ice fields get depleted a bit too fast.

Why:

- Today we had no bots (and people actually chatted!), they are still broken due to the patch.
Moreover there's a lot of people who did not inform themselves about the patch (so they don't know what to do), unable to log in etc. etc.
This resulted in 37 to 55 people being in local instead of 190 to 222.

- Despite the low number of people in local, the reference ice fields depleted in about 1.40 hours. Once numbers pick up, this means the spawn will last as little as 30 minutes.

All those who can't play for 2-3 hours won't get a slice of the spawn, hopping across several jumps with ships unable to even perform a full warp (small capacitor) won't help them enjoy the time they have got.

- At the same time, the lasers cycle twice as fast.


Imo the "chance to access" the spawns would be better (keeping the overall mined amounts constant) if the lasers would be slowed again and maybe respawn timers lowered to 3 hours.

I imagine that CCP will change the mechanic soon enough if they want to the accounts of the casual ice miners I mentioned. I just hope that they don't change it before I unload the ice products I started buying 5 minutes after the goon lead designer stated on Twitch TV that he wanted ice to be "the oil of Eve".

Heh heh heh, it's always those goons.

I realize that the null sec cartels want to destroy the casual solo playstyle, but I still don't understand why CCP shares that sentiment.

Catering.

It's what niche games do to keep a player base. You give them something to keep them in the game, in turn they praise the game and help promote it.

Why do you think the Goons exist, for so long, and got away with exploiting game mechanics?

Joe Schmoo would've been permanently banned years ago if he did the same. He's expendable. 1000+ accounts are not.

So CCP isn't so interested in your plight (otherwise they would've done some hefty cleanup, top down) until you represent 1000+ other players to counter the 1000+ blob. If you become a YouTube presence, even more so (as CCP can't control it, but can "bring in" YouTubers into the "fold").

Remember it's the squeaky wheel that gets heard now...and if it has the numbers.

Dirty blobbers.

[quote=Vaerah Vahrokha]
I am sure that a bunch of folks will no longer have need for their 100-strong ice harvesting fleets. Some smaller operators already have other uses for those accounts, with ice providing some convenient pin money. While I expect the shedding of accounts only needed for ice harvesting, this will be a tiny blip on the monthly P/L statement. The all-day AFK ice harvesting fleets are a tiny proportion of the population.

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Anticipation of this change already doubled the value of your ice mining, soon it'll triple. If you can cripple nullsec ice mining though afk cloaked ships and not so afk cloaked ships ganking their miners then ice prices will be 5 times higher, or more.

Or you can be a victim because someone else might benefit more then you.

The idea is that spawn 4hours after the belt is depleted, not 4 hours from when the last one spawned.

Any exploits today, Goon?

The ice belts in low sec seem to be full still.

EDIT: On a more serious note, if changes are to be made perhaps CCP should reduce the amount of ice in these belts by 1/2 and make the respawn 2 hours.

Any exploits today, Goon?

No, TEST killed an NC. Nyx however.

Kcolor bombed a bunch of nagas.

They need to make Orcas able to carry at least 4 fitted ships if they want people to hop everywhere (in search of a belt) like bunnies, else this patch is going to backfire.

Orca can already carry four skiffs.

Seems to me that if people, who used to run one or more ice-mining accounts afk while doing other stuff, will now cease to mine because it requires activity, this will lead to more ice remaining for those who actively play.

Seems to me that if people, who used to run one or more ice-mining accounts afk while doing other stuff, will now cease to mine because it requires activity, this will lead to more ice remaining for those who actively play.

Guess what, CCP prefers players who actively play, even though they have not been very good at designing their game for them. They are trying to change that, and that is commendable.

A pure ice-miner subscription is worthless to the community, it's just a ghost ship using server resources all day and contributing nothing, even if it's not a bot. If CCP loses some of those subs, they will gain others in exchange because EVE will appear more vibrant and active.

Seems to me that if people, who used to run one or more ice-mining accounts afk while doing other stuff, will now cease to mine because it requires activity, this will lead to more ice remaining for those who actively play.

Guess what, CCP prefers players who actively play, even though they have not been very good at designing their game for them. They are trying to change that, and that is commendable.

A pure ice-miner subscription is worthless to the community, it's just a ghost ship using server resources all day and contributing nothing, even if it's not a bot. If CCP loses some of those subs, they will gain others in exchange because EVE will appear more vibrant and active.

when blown up concord always sits in the belt for hours

3) Put a serious crimp in botting. Check.

I'd say hold off a while before declaring victory against botters, at least lets see how long until they update their programs

the reason concord was always in an ice belt was for protection against suicide gankers

here's the trick

have someone in a rookie ship sacrifice himself to bring concord to the belt. they hire on someone once to trigger concord

when blown up concord always sits in the belt for hours

now making in suicide ganker get insta popped if they tried.




great protection tactic that has been used for years, at least since 2007 when I started

Which is why I said "serious crimp" rather than something along the lines of "extinct".

Sitting for four hours ice mining is not very engaging game play, but sitting for four hours doing nothing but waiting for ice to spawn is even less.

Any exploits today, Goon?

In case you did not notice, bots infest ore belts just fine and ore belts have the same roid depletion mechanic.

It takes a large fleet of dedicated miners hours to strip-mine an ore belt to oblivion

Sounds like ice miners are getting a s.mall taste of what it's like to live in a wormhole, waiting for sites to randomly spawn.

Many of you ice miners are looking at the spawn mechanics the wrong way. CCP wants to limit high sec to only 80% of the total population's ice needs. This means, if you are a miner and not finding belts, then you will need to maybe look somewhere else besides high sec.

Many of you ice miners are looking at the spawn mechanics the wrong way. CCP wants to limit high sec to only 80% of the total population's ice needs. This means, if you are a miner and not finding belts, then you will need to maybe look somewhere else besides high sec.

Seems to me that if people, who used to run one or more ice-mining accounts afk while doing other stuff, will now cease to mine because it requires activity, this will lead to more ice remaining for those who actively play.

Many of you ice miners are looking at the spawn mechanics the wrong way. CCP wants to limit high sec to only 80% of the total population's ice needs. This means, if you are a miner and not finding belts, then you will need to maybe look somewhere else besides high sec.

For those of you old enough to remember, back in the 70s and 80s, it was common to see 3 or 4 gas stations at the same intersection in various spots across towns. Now, its rare to see more than 2 per an intersection. What happened to the other gas stations? They closed up and disappeared or moved to another location. If you can't see the analogy I am making, then you will most likely be one of the ice miners who disappears.

Err, no. Two max skills Hulks and a skilled Orca can do it in a couple of hours.

I *was* in such a corp, then RL took over and now, no low or null sec adventures for me any more.

Seems to me that if people, who used to run one or more ice-mining accounts afk while doing other stuff, will now cease to mine because it requires activity, this will lead to more ice remaining for those who actively play.

Guess what, CCP prefers players who actively play, even though they have not been very good at designing their game for them. They are trying to change that, and that is commendable.

A pure ice-miner subscription is worthless to the community, it's just a ghost ship using server resources all day and contributing nothing, even if it's not a bot. If CCP loses some of those subs, they will gain others in exchange because EVE will appear more vibrant and active.

Many of you ice miners are looking at the spawn mechanics the wrong way. CCP wants to limit high sec to only 80% of the total population's ice needs. This means, if you are a miner and not finding belts, then you will need to maybe look somewhere else besides high sec.

Blah blah I have done mining everywhere. Guess what, even just to go mine low sec you need to be part of a powerful corporation that can protect the miners (and only a minority of low sec corps want to do that), camp the gates and scount the WHs.

In case it was not clear enough, those who do pay $15 but can only play 1-2 hours a day, are not welcome to those corps, neither because of being industrialists (and not PvPers) nor because of doing so little in the corp.

I *was* in such a corp, then RL took over and now, no low or null sec adventures for me any more.

But keep harpying, I am sure you'll convince those RL work bosses to give bountiful additional hours to their workers so they can join what's needed to go mine low / null sec.

In case it was not clear enough, those who do pay $15 but can only play 1-2 hours a day, are not welcome to those corps, neither because of being industrialists (and not PvPers) nor because of doing so little in the corp.

I'd say hold off a while before declaring victory against botters, at least lets see how long until they update their programs

Technically possible - I've personally never seen it happen.

glad to see ice bots get hit

does anyone know what happens when you're already in system and the ice anom respawns? does the scanner sweep again, or does the ice anom just show up as a new site?

Seems 1-2 hours a day at random won't be sufficient for you to casually afk ice anymore either.

Good luck searching for something else to do. This sandbox does not owe you an ice belt.

Considering bots can wait 23.5/7 for respawns doesn't scarcity and decreased real player activity through massive downtimes help bots by raising ice prices?

Hi sec Ice belts cannot be protected by sov.

They are very easy to find (not even need to probe them down), a cartel will have people that will share information about where / when belts spawn but wait... the residents will have found them before you even arrive and now you are sharing the info with others who will mine off the same pool.

I have to say that this new ice mechanic is decidedly not good at all.
I logged in my ice alts today to mine, and got a whopping 70 units of ice in 30 minutes. The roids melted so fast with about 50 pilots in the belt that it was gone in less than 90 minutes from when it spawned, according to those who were there when it spawned.

If i'd logged in at another time, i'd have gotten nothing. The other systems are all the same, so there is no point in moving my ice miners to another system just on the off chance the belt is still there.

I used to mine ice while doing other stuff - market, hauling, solo pvp, etc. While i can see that CCP wants ice mining to be more active, it has to be an activity that can be done reliably and persistently, not randomly. There is no way to support towers and such with the way the system is set up at the moment. No single pilot would be able to mine ice to support towers and other jump capable ships without the ability to log in and mine a sufficient amount.

I have to seriously consider whether I keep my mining fleet at all with this new mechanic.

I hope CCP is reading this.

2) The sandbox owes everyone a decent gameplay. Ice's just 80% of the demand? No problem, as long as many people can get a slice of that 80% without a NPC timer playing deus ex machina.

.. and like in WHs they can make hundreds of millions a hou.... oh wait.

Yeah, folks like me like this because of how very iconic this is in the eve universe: you don't get much better than scarcity of resources breeding competition for that!

For "reliable", AFK gameplay...eh. I can't say it's something that Eve should cater towards, though you obviously disagree. If low-end prices go down (not sure if they will) lack of interest in ore belts might make them the new bastion of afk gameplay.

And there is enough ice in highsec to satiate 80% of the game's demand, and highsec's demand is only a small fraction of that. You may not be able to effortlessly fulfill your own portion of the demand and thus have to pay a price higher, in effort or ISK, than you might be willing to pay on the open market, but your last paragraph strikes me as rather poorly thought out in light of the glaringly objective evidence you are ignoring.

I have to say that this new ice mechanic is decidedly not good at all.
I logged in my ice alts today to mine, and got a whopping 70 units of ice in 30 minutes. The roids melted so fast with about 50 pilots in the belt that it was gone in less than 90 minutes from when it spawned, according to those who were there when it spawned.

Ice Mining is clocking in at around 60-100m an hour in null sec and they're not swamped with a dozens of people munching on them. Perhaps a change of location is in order.

Yes yes, everyone join goons are partake of the vast wealth that has been handed to them by CCP.

Ice Mining is clocking in at around 60-100m an hour in null sec and they're not swamped with a dozens of people munching on them. Perhaps a change of location is in order.

I would assume it works like combat sites, where the new site just shows up next time you do a scan.

]So what's stopping you?

The belts in Everyshore are gone within 20 minutes of spawning. In Aydoteaux there is a gambit: stay and finish this field, or be first in the second field which just respawned? Then there is the caravan of mining ships heading from Aydo through tole to Carirgnottin. We (and here I dare to speak on behalf of other players who I barely know) have good natured banter about scratching paintwork and personal space. Boosts are shared because while it is a competitive environment we are all carebears and want the smaller players to feel that they at least had a chance. Of course we then switch to max yield to ensure that our cycles end that 1 second earlier than the other miner's to ensure that we get the last block.

Will ice mining become ultra competitive? I don't think so, most of the miners are conflict averse and view this as a running race rather than a cage fight.

The only complaint I have with the new ice spawning system is the regular-as-clockwork respawn at four hours. I am sure this is longer than the weeknight play time of most players, and the ability to log in at a certain time to be guaranteed an ice belt spawning is beyond the pale.

This does not change my opinion of CCP's rework of grav sites, mind you.

This just strikes me as throwing your hands up and quitting without really thinking this through. The residents have to deal with the exact same constraints as you do to find belts. If they found it out of blind luck, it's not like they magically had better odds to do so than you. If they're all at the belt because THEY teamed up, well...

And like highsec they have almost complete safety with very little chance of being blown up and are known for being risk free... oh wait

I really enjoy the changes to Ice Mining. It has taking it to the level of Ore Mining. However I do think the amount of Ice in each Block should be slightly raised, and the Respawn time to be slightly Lower. Not everyone plays for hours a day.

I think they did a great job making ice mining to be a little more effort. Not because of bots or what ... I just think it is healthy to make you play the game a little more instead of semi afk mining like some harvesting drone with a lousy excuse to do something usefull with their time.

I think they did a bad job making ice mining to be a little more effort. Not because of bots or what ... I just think it is unhealthy to make you play the boring PvE more instead of semi afk mining like some harvesting drone with a reasonable excuse to do something usefull with their time.

i'd also just like to tell you all how funny i find it that ccp doubled mining's isk/hour and every one cries like a baby about it. it's beautiful.

then they're welcome to mine ore.

ice harvesting I to V is like, 5 days training. it's not a substantial skill point investment, and for it's meager training time the rewards are pretty great. there's absolutely no reason to make ice harvesting any easier than it is, especially now it's isk/hour has been doubled by the cycle time reduction.

if a new player joins the game and heads out to 0.0 for the tiny investment of 1 plex they can train a character that can make 50m/hour and recover their plex cost in like 10-12hrs of mining. ice harvesting has no reason to be any easier than it is currently.

Although the majority of people will Mine for Profit, others Mine Ice for their own use. I have my Ore trained Characters to mine for Manufacturing, and I have my Ice trained Characters to use for Fuel.

Sure I can go do something else to make ISK and buy it, but this is what I enjoy, and if I can't be Online within the timeframe that there are belts around, then it is taking a part of my experience away from the game.

Although the majority of people will Mine for Profit, others Mine Ice for their own use. I have my Ore trained Characters to mine for Manufacturing, and I have my Ice trained Characters to use for Fuel.

Sure I can go do something else to make ISK and buy it, but this is what I enjoy, and if I can't be Online within the timeframe that there are belts around, then it is taking a part of my experience away from the game.

I completely understand why these changes are made, and I am very happy with them, but slightly tweaking it will not bring back the AFK / Macro Miners. They need to do trial and error for the people who do pay attention to their game.

it's irrelevant why people mine. invest 5 days and you have all of your characters trained for ice, like i said it's not a big skill point investment. not that that really matters in any way.

if it's what you enjoy, then go and do it. nothing is stopping you. if you can't be online within the time frame that the 1 ice belt in your system spawns then perhaps you don't like it as much as you say, or you'd move a few jumps over and mine in another system where an ice belt has spawned. stop blaming the changes for exposing how lazy you are. the only thing detracting from your experience is your own laziness.

of course it won't bring back the afk/macro miners, they never left. i see you pretty much haven't even done any mining in the last 2 days and you're just moaning for the sake of it aren't you?

The other day I went from System to system for 5 hours looking for a Belt. I can assure you, this has nothing to do with my Laziness. I have accepted and enjoy the change, but as everything else after a change, things need to be tweaked so it works for everyone.

To trying and judge how someone plays the game, or how much time he can dedicate to the game each day is kinda far fetched don't you think.

Sounds like you havent done any Trolling in the past couple days, and are just doing it for the sake of it =]

If you choose to not have a respectful, and decent debate / conversation, then I'm not going to bother with you any longer.

i'm not trolling. i'm just pointing out that you claimed they won't come back, and i pointed out that's because they haven't left. i know this based on the fact that the same names i saw in the belts pre odyssey are in the anomalies post odyssey. you throw out completely false statements then call me a troll when i correct you?

might want to learn what a troll is, and just accept when you get called out on making complete bullshit statements.

The only thing your trying to point out is that I should play the game longer so I have a better chance of finding a Ice belt.

They last 20 - 40 Minutes, and respawn every 4 hours after it's Depleted. There is nothing wrong with me asking for a bit of a Tweak to help the people who have lives to continue and enjoy their Gameplay style.

no i'm not. i'm pointing out that if you spent less time whining and more time mining ice, you wouldn't have a problem. i'm telling you to stop being lazy, not to sit at your computer for 16 hours a day.

i'm well aware of how long they last, and how many miners it takes to get them to respawn 5x per day, etc, i did all of these calculations about a month ago. nothing has stopped people continuing to enjoy their gameplay style, and in fact they're now earning more isk while enjoying their gameplay style.

Wasn't one of the ideas to fly around and look for the Ice Belts? Not sit in one system and wonder where it is?

Your trying to judge that I'm "Lazy" because I have had a bad run of trying to find them for the time I have been on [and yes, looking in Systems that had Ice Belts originally]. So your either Trolling, or your just not reading Correctly.

I have explored.
I haven't found many.
Usually when I get there, it has 1 - 3 blocks left.
By the time I get in range, it is Depleted.

The point that your clearly missing that I'm trying to make is...

Everything needs tweaking after a release, nothing is ever released perfect.

or you could stop whining about a perfectly fine system? it came out 2 days ago, they all respawned at downtime so obviously there still repsawning at similar times to each other, and similar times of day. in a month's time they will all be more spread out.

you're trying to make a point that doesn't exist, nothing needs tweaking at all. you're just whining for the sake of it since you've yet to actually deliver a legitimate point as to why this change is "bad" other than "i have actually gotta go look for things now" just like every other player in the game.

Again with trying to judge the way I am. If you have a reading disability, then that's all good, I truly am sorry to hear it, but on that Note, I only speak with Mature people, you are obviously not 1 of those.

It's been a pleasure. o7

they all respawned at downtime so obviously there still repsawning at similar times to each other, and similar times of day. in a month's time they will all be more spread out.

The only real solution is to look for the ice belts in low, null, and perhaps the hisec islands.

High-sec cartels ganking people? lol

What would that cost look like? Not just in ISK for ships but dozens of extra accounts, because you can't do it with a mining character if you ever plan on using it again. How much do Ice miners make?

Do you people think anything through?

The changes will just make Ice mining a hassle, that's all. People will still do it but enjoy it less, probably quit eventually.

Again with trying to judge the way I am. If you have a reading disability, then that's all good, I truly am sorry to hear it, but on that Note, I only speak with Mature people, you are obviously not 1 of those.

It's been a pleasure. o7

I don't see how that will happen. They might spread out to spawn in sequence after however many seconds it takes to mine them out.

The only real solution is to look for the ice belts in low, null, and perhaps the hisec islands.

Though it would reduce the complaining if CCP was to halve the size of the belts and spawn them after 2 hours instead of 4. At least people wouldn't go through an entire play session with no ice visible.

So I just logged on my alt and found ice in five minutes.

don't hold out on them, share your secret! then perhaps we won't have to read any more of these threads.

the problem is belt respawning 4 hours after the current belt is completely exhausted. it should be every 4 hours, period. At least this change would make the spawn predictable and people could time other in game activities accordingly.

But I love miner tears.

Incidently miners seem to be parking freighters in these things now.

By mashing I mean I click the scan probes option and then close out the window and do it again. Rather tedious.

Simple fix: Show Anomalies box: uncheck - check. Tada new nomlies on your scan.

Why not just have multiple mining vessels docked in a large region. Send out scouts to scan for ice. Once found everyone hops into their shuttle gets to the closes mining boat and goes to the belt.

It's easier than that: simply run a timer from when each belt was last depleted. You already know which systems they're going to spawn in anyway (poor design IMHO) so you just have to head over there at the appropriate time.

Eh, silly question but could you share that knowledge perhaps?
Been running around in Amarr space and I haven't got a clue where the ice belts are now.

Dang nabs you're so smart ... what would we do without you :) ... *wavies*

The complete list of high security systems that will contain Clear Icicle anomalies is: Afivad, Agal, Avada, Bashakru, Chanoun, Dantan, Dihra, Erkinen, Esteban, Gamis, Gelhan, Gosalav, Jarzalad, Jerma, Kothe, Manatirid, Miah, Moutid, Ordion, Raravoss, Riavayed, Seil, Talidal, Warouh.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for

*Since Devs think they can just lock posts because they think they are the same when in fact they are not, I'll just re-post here with my response the Devs think they are going to block ....

As I had predicted in the previous thread I fully expected you followers and peasants to blindly be sheparded wherever the company wishes to take you. So have your trolololol's because no F's were given!

The complete list of high security systems that will contain Clear Icicle anomalies is: Afivad, Agal, Avada, Bashakru, Chanoun, Dantan, Dihra, Erkinen, Esteban, Gamis, Gelhan, Gosalav, Jarzalad, Jerma, Kothe, Manatirid, Miah, Moutid, Ordion, Raravoss, Riavayed, Seil, Talidal, Warouh.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for

[quote=Rhoads07]Amuginsly enough, one would imagine you'd have lots of time to concentrate on your mining character, considering your pvp character sure isn't getting any action.

[quote=Rhoads07]
also i'm sure this "will cause you to lose money" argument is wrong, old, and terrible. i'm sure it's more dead and flogged than the "nerf afk cloaking" horse.

- Today we had no bots (and people actually chatted!), they are still broken due to the patch.
Moreover there's a lot of people who did not inform themselves about the patch (so they don't know what to do), unable to log in etc. etc.
This resulted in 37 to 55 people being in local instead of 190 to 222.

It's easier than that: simply run a timer from when each belt was last depleted. You already know which systems they're going to spawn in anyway (poor design IMHO) so you just have to head over there at the appropriate time.

... You don't realize that those two comments are directly related?

They are partly and obviously related. But since I also know how many were botting, there's still a drop of about 60%+ of the "real" players.

Would you care to elaborate?

So here is an impression of this new ICE deal from someone with a fleet of ICE miners..

Logged in my 12 miners, tried to get my daily 3000 blocks, got about 300 total before it was over (all of 20 minutes).

Stationed up the miners, deleted all the ICE rigs from their Skiffs and set them up for mining ORE in a different quiet little system.

Not going back to that mad house....... Ore is the new ICE, baby!

You have a reformed ICE Multi-Boxer...... now I'm an ORE multi-boxer!!!

It was extremely funny to watch everyone trying to grab a little bit of something that had been so plentiful.

Although, I'm out of the ICE business with my little herd, I think CCP did a great job making it a much better solo or very small fleet experience now.

It's was almost like going on a level 4 mission!

What'll happen when those 222 - 17 subs will be about to expire? I don't want to EvE to slow down development / miss features because CCP trashed 20% of their playerbase overnight.

Ah, the good old "EVE will die if I don't get my easymode ISK" line. It's ben a while since I saw that one.

From what I've seen of Soundwave's interviews and appearences, the man does not like static resources.

Don't get too attached to those belts is what I guess I'm saying here.

From what I've seen of Soundwave's interviews and appearences, the man does not like static resources.

Don't get too attached to those belts is what I guess I'm saying here.

Ah, the good old "EVE will die if I don't get my easymode ISK" line. It's ben a while since I saw that one.

Ah, the good old "EVE will die if I don't get my easymode ISK" line. It's ben a while since I saw that one.

Ah the good old "I hope to represent the player base so I can be elected to the CSM then once im elected screw the players line" It hasnt been awhile since i have seen this. Really your a csm and you openly insult a specific playstyle yeah your going places. Its not easy mode fyi I mined ice for my pos but because of real life (yeah I have job wife and family to take care of) I am limited in my playtime so a ice belt that is depleted in 30mins does not help me at all. I have quit ice mining tore down my pos and thinking of dropping my alt accounts so good job CCP.

Malcanis you should be ashamed to call yourself a CSM.

Ah the good old "I hope to represent the player base so I can be elected to the CSM then once im elected screw the players line" It hasnt been awhile since i have seen this. Really your a csm and you openly insult a specific playstyle yeah your going places. Its not easy mode fyi I mined ice for my pos but because of real life (yeah I have job wife and family to take care of) I am limited in my playtime so a ice belt that is depleted in 30mins does not help me at all. I have quit ice mining tore down my pos and thinking of dropping my alt accounts so good job CCP.

Malcanis you should be ashamed to call yourself a CSM.

Just want to say, I have a freighter full.

What'll happen when those 222 - 17 subs will be about to expire? I don't want to EvE to slow down development / miss features because CCP trashed 20% of their playerbase overnight.

Is taht stuff you mined yourself, or did you borrow someone's freighter?

(where by "borrow" I mean "steal")

Ah, the good old "EVE will die if I don't get my easymode ISK" line. It's ben a while since I saw that one.

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I really regret having voted for you now.

I really regret having voted for you now.

True, but taking away things for people to do is generally a bad design pattern. More to do = more sand, less to do = less sand. Telling people that they can always do something else is pretty moot, as that 'something else' might just as well be something not involving an Eve-O subscription. It is not everybody who want to pay a monthly subscription just to be able to troll the forums, and one subscription less should always be taken with a certain amount of attention (not a lot, but a bit).

And I understand the poke at Malcanis, as he has advocated that Eve-O expansions should thrive at adding new things for people to do. Seemingly he is pretty cool with people getting less to do too.

Though, let us do like CCP and look how things develop over the coming months. There is probably huge stockpiles of isotopes that needs to be sold before things stabilize.

And I understand the poke at Malcanis, as he has advocated that Eve-O expansions should thrive at adding new things for people to do. Seemingly he is pretty cool with people getting less to do too.

But nobody has taken away ice mining.

Reducing accessibility is still giving people less to do.