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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:38:00 -
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I've been looking through the players guide and websites to try and find the origins of some of the EVE races, and thus far, the only race that outright declares their ancestry are the Gallenteans. Does anyone know or have a suggestion about their origins. My opinions are:
Caldari: Nordic-ish, with maybe some Slavic in the Dietis
Gallente: French/Pseudo-Asian
Amarr: Arabian/Mediterranean (sp?)
Minmatar: African/Slavic/Nordic? (Brutors are dark in complexion, but what the hell are Sebiestor's? They look like skinny McJaggers.)
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:43:00 -
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Saying they are all from America would describe them all. I love the great melting pot, don't you?
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Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:44:00 -
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Most people generally associate Caldari with asian, based on devotion to work ethic.
From a purely European point of view, I'd go with something like
Amarr = German
Gallente = French
Minmatar = Turks
Caldari = Denmark/Sweden/Norway (vikings, basically)
Then again, its not like it particularly matters who they descended from, since 20,000 years of history maks the point moot.
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:49:00 -
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They came from a blue planet called earth, and they are all from the human race! =)
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Irashi
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Righteous Fury
Most people generally associate Caldari with asian, based on devotion to work ethic.
And the Japanese sounding names
I've heard Japan is a lot like the Caldari corporate system. If you work for Honda or Sony or something in Japan, the company takes over your life, they even have private company trains for you to ride to work on.
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Sebastien LeReparteur
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Sebastien LeReparteur on 04/11/2005 20:54:24
Edited by: Sebastien LeReparteur on 04/11/2005 20:53:05
Funny i tough the Imperialistics stile and the Amarr name where give away for amaricains...
Since America contains lots of religious ppl... south and north...
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Brolly
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:57:00 -
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I always thought it was
Caldari - asia: Mainly due to their knowledge of electronics and names of corporations
Gellente - french: Plain give away 
Amarr - american/ebil western european: Mainly due to there narrow minded, religious overtones and general behaviour
Minmatar - African: They look of african descent, plus the whole western/slavery McDoofer (with the amarrians being ebil westerners and all)
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.11.04 21:01:00 -
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caldari: iceland!
thats why they were uber for so long
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George Petsch
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Posted - 2005.11.04 21:23:00 -
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Hmm pretty obvious I guess:
Amarr = Americans
Minmatar = Mexicans
Gallente = French
Caldari = Germans/northern Europe
Guess that gets it pretty right, even from a RL cliche like/dislike point of view...
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.11.04 21:40:00 -
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True roleplay backstory indicates that the population of Eve has no idea where they come from, but everything points to that the Eve Gate is what took them there. Therefore, the race description for Gallente is horribly out of tune with the roleplay of Eve. Since this description is nothing but a source for xenophobia (although mild and with humorous intent) and I'd be happy to see it being changed.
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Iron Eagle
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Posted - 2005.11.04 21:47:00 -
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Amarr as American? I dunno, with the whole Emperor thing going I figured they'd be closer to Romans that Americans. Caldari definatly have an Asian ring to them. Minmatar...hmm...yeah, probably African decent. Thing is though, it's supposed to be a wee bit after they left there previous place of living, possibly because of a problem there. Anyways, yeah, America had slavery for quite a while...but how did the Egyptians and Romans build thier empires? Come to think of it...They seem to be more Egyptian than Roman...o well.
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Takitoo
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Posted - 2005.11.04 21:56:00 -
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The Amarr seem alot like an evolved middle eastern culture I'd actually say. The religious fundamentalism and architecture they show in their stations would definetly make it seem that way. And the imperialism they portray also doesn't help that.
The Caldari seem pretty far eastern/asian to me, as well. the system names and the large part the corporation plays in their life would indicate that. Not to mention the culture that emphasises their culture as a whole and doesn't encourage individual achievement much.
The Gallente look to me like a european/north american mixture. On one hand their culture embraces the ideals of freedom and liberty, on the other they are just about as hedonistic as any mediterranean culture.
The Minmatar to me look like an evolved version of Australians or maybe Africans , from the swarthy and dark skinned Brutors, to the frail and rather fair skinned Sebiestors and their roots as the underdogs and criminals. Not to mention the tribal system .. that's a dead giveaway. And I doubt they are Native American/Indian.
What you have to keep in mind is that they are all from a rather amalgamated culture. Earth is evolving, and lines are not as clearly cut as they used to be.
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George Petsch
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Posted - 2005.11.04 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Iron Eagle
Amarr as American?
Hmm yes, just look at the current situation with all that "intelligent design" stuff going on... but yeah, it may be some kind of mixture, making them the god abiding empire building ppl they are 
well, enough, i'm not going to get political in here.
about the caldari, they don't like the french/Gallente, so they must be german to some degree 
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Armor Jack
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:06:00 -
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they are all the same kind
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Pheragras
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: George Petsch
Originally by: Iron Eagle
Amarr as American?
Hmm yes, just look at the current situation with all that "intelligent design" stuff going on... but yeah, it may be some kind of mixture, making them the god abiding empire building ppl they are
well, enough, i'm not going to get political in here.
about the caldari, they don't like the french/Gallente, so they must be german to some degree
Yes, Amarr as American. With all the religious crap that Fundies are pushing in this country I can definately see us heading that way....unfortunate though that may be.
Anyone want to put up a disillusioned American for a bit so he can get the hell away from this regressing religious crap? One religious zealot going to war against other religious zealots really chaps my a$$!
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Morhon
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:26:00 -
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I think it was based on WWII power bases....
Amarr = Anglo saxon, So; US, UK, most of Canada basically all the english speaking ones (I think the devs meant the USA tbh) But the major powers of that time... empire etc... it's all there
Caldari = German or/and nordic (Advanced technology and tactics)... V2, Fuel injection, Cruise missles, the jet engine (even though the british invented it)
Gallente = French (and most of the french speaking ones)Dunno how this one fits in tbh, other than things that might get my post removed ;) Do think they invented liberty though?
Mimitar = African (slaves that fought back against the amarr/ USA, UK, Canada etc)
Jove = Iceland (they are the devs)Don't think they were involved in the war much, too cold perhaps, but I think they had problems with the nordics
btw I mean no offence to anyone by this... just how I think they came up with the powers in eve!
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:31:00 -
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Alot of interesting answers, and it seems I'm not the only one with a varied opinion on what they were based towards. Though I find it kind of funny that CCP made the Jovians after themselves. The race who eventually kill themselves in their strive for perfection. Might be a hint to their obligation towards EVE itself .
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Khatred
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:35:00 -
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I don't think it's about races. More like types inspired from Earth history:
Amarr: Egyptians then later Arabs. Both empires head a central figure (the pharaoh/emperor), religion was very important for both empires (that's why I didn't include Romans, religion was not a base figure there). Both empires were also quite ahead of their times (remember how many things egyptians invented and how far ahead the arab empire was when Europe had the dark medieval period)
Gallente are the liberals: Antique greeks, italians Reinassance, later France XVIII and at the moment some western countries.
Caldari are quite actual. Wouldn't really call them asians cause manufacturing and corporations were started in the medieval age in England and France  . They represent the ideea of pure capitalism.
Minmatars can be basicaly anyone. They are the primitive ones (but not in the bad meaning).Not so interested in sci-fi gizmos, relying on brute force, having an big sense of liberty and not at least the chain: family->group->tribe.
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George Petsch
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:39:00 -
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No matter how the races where designed, the thing that amazes me most is that, as this thread shows, there are A LOT of interpretations that are perfectly right given they are set into the right context.
This is what I call perfectly engineered archetypes, citing one of the core strength of eve: There is no ultimate way to do everything. CCP I salute you.
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Morhon
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Alot of interesting answers, and it seems I'm not the only one with a varied opinion on what they were based towards. Though I find it kind of funny that CCP made the Jovians after themselves. The race who eventually kill themselves in their strive for perfection. Might be a hint to their obligation towards EVE itself .
I see your point But pretty clever how they based in on RL and blured it so much that there are so many differnent view points on where each race is desended from.
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:41:00 -
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Caldari (both bloodlines) are mainly japanese/east asian
Gallente (only the gallente bloodline) are French
Amarr (pure blood) are fundementelist Catholics (so probably from south west europe, and some from the americas)
Minmatar are various african tribes.
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Munin Crow
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Munin Crow on 04/11/2005 22:58:42
I don't know how most of you came up with your ideas... most of them seem pretty random. But here is my take, with my textual backup:
Caldari: A Capitalist-Republic/Roman take on Americans.
"A state built on corporate capitalism, the Caldari State is run by a few mega-corporations which divide the state between them, controlling and ruling every aspect of society."
"Caldari society is steeped in military tradition. As a people, its members had to fight a long and bloody war to gain their independence."
"Even if the Caldari have not engaged in war for many decades, they still strive to be at the cutting edge of military technology."
"To curb their aggressive tendencies, the Caldari actively pursue and sponsor a range of sporting activities. Many of these are bloody, gladiatorial-like competitions, while others are more like races. But whatever the sport, the Caldari love betting on the outcome, making gambling a massive industry in the State."
"The Caldari State offers its citizens the best and the worst in living conditions. As long as you keep in line, do your job, uphold the laws and so forth, life can be fairly pleasant and productive. But for those who are not cut out for this strict, disciplined regime life quickly becomes intolerable. They lose their respect, family, status, everything, and the only options left to them are suicide or exile. Although not xenophobic as such, the Caldari are very protective of their way of life and tolerate only those foreigners that stick to the rules." - See Roman dignitas, and the historical effects of dignitas. Also the saying "when in Rome...". Also America's "not quite xenophobic" tendencies (as a cultural whole, not on an individual level).
The Gallente are self-explanatory. They are the French, and to a lesser extent, the whole EU. IĘm talking French, Germany (post-world war II contemporary germany), Sweden, and CONTEMPORARY Britain, etcą
Minimatar are a combination of Slavic, Gaelic, Nordic, African, Jamaican, and to a much lesser extent native culture. They are tribal. Warlike. Paint their faces before going to war. Have undergone enslavement. And now exist as a major criminal element. (All from the description under races). The enslaved bit fits Africans, Jamaicans, and Slavics (I am talking classic Slavics here, as in pre-ussr culture. Like, in the 1000Ęs AD type thing). The tribal bit fits Gaelic, Nordic, and native culture. The Mohawks seem to connect to nativesą but it could also be a punk reference. The tribal war paint is very Gaelic and African. I canĘt remember if the NordĘs painted their face before going to war, but I believe they did too.
The Amarr seem like a very old-British empire type system. Again, like middle ages Britain. It also has a bit of a old-Spanish flavour to it. They enslaved the Minimatar. Britain pretty much enslaved the Irish and Scotts (not exactly, but still). Britain and Spain played a major roll in the African slave trade. Both were very imperial in their heyday. Also the whole relgion thing, with the state being the church... The British first developed the prodistant sect when one of the British kings said, "I refuse to bow to Rome, I am the head of my own church".
Wellą those are my 2 cents.
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Toran Melchira
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Posted - 2005.11.05 01:15:00 -
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The Caldari are unequivocally Finnish. The names of both places and persons clearly demonstrates this.
Just two examples:
The name of one caldari system translates into "hatchery" in finnish, and the name of another can be translated as "I am a raspberry".
And there should be a caldari character named "Kiskaisen Tiukkaa". =)
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2005.11.05 01:19:00 -
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Peeinmybag Bottoms?
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Marcus Thrawn
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Posted - 2005.11.05 01:32:00 -
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Caldari = American/German, Capitalistic, Militarist state.
Amarr = Middle-eastern, Highly religous, and willing to die for their cause
Gallente = French/East European, pacifists
Minmatar = Thrid world countries, undercrafted ships, slaves
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2005.11.05 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Toran Melchira
The Caldari are unequivocally Finnish. The names of both places and persons clearly demonstrates this.
Just two examples:
The name of one caldari system translates into "hatchery" in finnish, and the name of another can be translated as "I am a raspberry".
And there should be a caldari character named "Kiskaisen Tiukkaa". =)
LOL, are you serious? Those CCP guys are crafty, I tell you =) (Shameless bump)
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
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Posted - 2005.11.05 05:10:00 -
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I think you can look at each race as an almost epitomy of how our future may look if some empire had won in some way in the past.
Imagine Megatokyo and the ammalgamation of multisocial routes into one giant corporate anime future. We're talking big on weaponry, big on isolation, big on capitalism, and big on corporate entities. They've had to face the big war and extradite themselves from being a part of something that's not them. -Caldari
Now imagine a European superstate, where the economy has evolved rapidly into a huge beaurocratic mess. Freedom has allowed all ranges of the arts to develop across various media, and the boundaries of right and wrong blur in endless systematic possibilites. Everybody is a part of something and yet unique. -Gallente
Now imagine a Mad-max future. Freedom and family have never meant so much. Fighting from the shackles of one slavery or another in many different pasts, everyone can relate to the back-to-basics unity. Family, clan, brotherhood, sisterhood, and republic. Ties from far back in the darkness are never more strong. -Minmatar
Now imagine an Empire theocracy run riot. Life is dictated by the book or by His Word. Endless hierarchies building on each other over millenia, conquering or enslaving those they find who don't fit into their view perfectly. Perhaps a glory ebbing, but still a glorious godly future for them. -Amarr
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Leon 026
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Posted - 2005.11.05 07:39:00 -
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Caldari is a healthy mix of 1930s Imperial/militaristic Japan and 1970-1980s Corporate Japan (before the Bubble economic collapse in the 1990s)
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2005.11.05 08:01:00 -
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From what I've heard (around some other forums and the Library section) is that the only reason the Caldari aren't more asian (Japanese) looking is because CCP never got the models quite right in the first place. But I guess these things change for the next patch, ne?
Personally I always thought bloodline mattered more than race when it came to this discussion.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.05 08:12:00 -
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well the jove have been genetically modified beyond all original origins so i guess u could say they would be evolved from no one really. Frankenstien advacned race - think those grey aliens from sg-1 (the asgard)
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