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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:38:00 -
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I've been looking through the players guide and websites to try and find the origins of some of the EVE races, and thus far, the only race that outright declares their ancestry are the Gallenteans. Does anyone know or have a suggestion about their origins. My opinions are:
Caldari: Nordic-ish, with maybe some Slavic in the Dietis
Gallente: French/Pseudo-Asian
Amarr: Arabian/Mediterranean (sp?)
Minmatar: African/Slavic/Nordic? (Brutors are dark in complexion, but what the hell are Sebiestor's? They look like skinny McJaggers.)
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:43:00 -
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Saying they are all from America would describe them all. I love the great melting pot, don't you?
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Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:44:00 -
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Most people generally associate Caldari with asian, based on devotion to work ethic.
From a purely European point of view, I'd go with something like
Amarr = German
Gallente = French
Minmatar = Turks
Caldari = Denmark/Sweden/Norway (vikings, basically)
Then again, its not like it particularly matters who they descended from, since 20,000 years of history maks the point moot.
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:49:00 -
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They came from a blue planet called earth, and they are all from the human race! =)
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Irashi
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Righteous Fury
Most people generally associate Caldari with asian, based on devotion to work ethic.
And the Japanese sounding names
I've heard Japan is a lot like the Caldari corporate system. If you work for Honda or Sony or something in Japan, the company takes over your life, they even have private company trains for you to ride to work on.
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Sebastien LeReparteur
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Sebastien LeReparteur on 04/11/2005 20:54:24
Edited by: Sebastien LeReparteur on 04/11/2005 20:53:05
Funny i tough the Imperialistics stile and the Amarr name where give away for amaricains...
Since America contains lots of religious ppl... south and north...
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Brolly
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Posted - 2005.11.04 20:57:00 -
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I always thought it was
Caldari - asia: Mainly due to their knowledge of electronics and names of corporations
Gellente - french: Plain give away 
Amarr - american/ebil western european: Mainly due to there narrow minded, religious overtones and general behaviour
Minmatar - African: They look of african descent, plus the whole western/slavery McDoofer (with the amarrians being ebil westerners and all)
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.11.04 21:01:00 -
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caldari: iceland!
thats why they were uber for so long
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George Petsch
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Posted - 2005.11.04 21:23:00 -
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Hmm pretty obvious I guess:
Amarr = Americans
Minmatar = Mexicans
Gallente = French
Caldari = Germans/northern Europe
Guess that gets it pretty right, even from a RL cliche like/dislike point of view...
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.11.04 21:40:00 -
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True roleplay backstory indicates that the population of Eve has no idea where they come from, but everything points to that the Eve Gate is what took them there. Therefore, the race description for Gallente is horribly out of tune with the roleplay of Eve. Since this description is nothing but a source for xenophobia (although mild and with humorous intent) and I'd be happy to see it being changed.
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Iron Eagle
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Posted - 2005.11.04 21:47:00 -
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Amarr as American? I dunno, with the whole Emperor thing going I figured they'd be closer to Romans that Americans. Caldari definatly have an Asian ring to them. Minmatar...hmm...yeah, probably African decent. Thing is though, it's supposed to be a wee bit after they left there previous place of living, possibly because of a problem there. Anyways, yeah, America had slavery for quite a while...but how did the Egyptians and Romans build thier empires? Come to think of it...They seem to be more Egyptian than Roman...o well.
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Takitoo
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Posted - 2005.11.04 21:56:00 -
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The Amarr seem alot like an evolved middle eastern culture I'd actually say. The religious fundamentalism and architecture they show in their stations would definetly make it seem that way. And the imperialism they portray also doesn't help that.
The Caldari seem pretty far eastern/asian to me, as well. the system names and the large part the corporation plays in their life would indicate that. Not to mention the culture that emphasises their culture as a whole and doesn't encourage individual achievement much.
The Gallente look to me like a european/north american mixture. On one hand their culture embraces the ideals of freedom and liberty, on the other they are just about as hedonistic as any mediterranean culture.
The Minmatar to me look like an evolved version of Australians or maybe Africans , from the swarthy and dark skinned Brutors, to the frail and rather fair skinned Sebiestors and their roots as the underdogs and criminals. Not to mention the tribal system .. that's a dead giveaway. And I doubt they are Native American/Indian.
What you have to keep in mind is that they are all from a rather amalgamated culture. Earth is evolving, and lines are not as clearly cut as they used to be.
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George Petsch
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Posted - 2005.11.04 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Iron Eagle
Amarr as American?
Hmm yes, just look at the current situation with all that "intelligent design" stuff going on... but yeah, it may be some kind of mixture, making them the god abiding empire building ppl they are 
well, enough, i'm not going to get political in here.
about the caldari, they don't like the french/Gallente, so they must be german to some degree 
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Armor Jack
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:06:00 -
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they are all the same kind
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Pheragras
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: George Petsch
Originally by: Iron Eagle
Amarr as American?
Hmm yes, just look at the current situation with all that "intelligent design" stuff going on... but yeah, it may be some kind of mixture, making them the god abiding empire building ppl they are
well, enough, i'm not going to get political in here.
about the caldari, they don't like the french/Gallente, so they must be german to some degree
Yes, Amarr as American. With all the religious crap that Fundies are pushing in this country I can definately see us heading that way....unfortunate though that may be.
Anyone want to put up a disillusioned American for a bit so he can get the hell away from this regressing religious crap? One religious zealot going to war against other religious zealots really chaps my a$$!
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Morhon
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:26:00 -
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I think it was based on WWII power bases....
Amarr = Anglo saxon, So; US, UK, most of Canada basically all the english speaking ones (I think the devs meant the USA tbh) But the major powers of that time... empire etc... it's all there
Caldari = German or/and nordic (Advanced technology and tactics)... V2, Fuel injection, Cruise missles, the jet engine (even though the british invented it)
Gallente = French (and most of the french speaking ones)Dunno how this one fits in tbh, other than things that might get my post removed ;) Do think they invented liberty though?
Mimitar = African (slaves that fought back against the amarr/ USA, UK, Canada etc)
Jove = Iceland (they are the devs)Don't think they were involved in the war much, too cold perhaps, but I think they had problems with the nordics
btw I mean no offence to anyone by this... just how I think they came up with the powers in eve!
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:31:00 -
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Alot of interesting answers, and it seems I'm not the only one with a varied opinion on what they were based towards. Though I find it kind of funny that CCP made the Jovians after themselves. The race who eventually kill themselves in their strive for perfection. Might be a hint to their obligation towards EVE itself .
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Khatred
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:35:00 -
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I don't think it's about races. More like types inspired from Earth history:
Amarr: Egyptians then later Arabs. Both empires head a central figure (the pharaoh/emperor), religion was very important for both empires (that's why I didn't include Romans, religion was not a base figure there). Both empires were also quite ahead of their times (remember how many things egyptians invented and how far ahead the arab empire was when Europe had the dark medieval period)
Gallente are the liberals: Antique greeks, italians Reinassance, later France XVIII and at the moment some western countries.
Caldari are quite actual. Wouldn't really call them asians cause manufacturing and corporations were started in the medieval age in England and France  . They represent the ideea of pure capitalism.
Minmatars can be basicaly anyone. They are the primitive ones (but not in the bad meaning).Not so interested in sci-fi gizmos, relying on brute force, having an big sense of liberty and not at least the chain: family->group->tribe.
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George Petsch
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:39:00 -
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No matter how the races where designed, the thing that amazes me most is that, as this thread shows, there are A LOT of interpretations that are perfectly right given they are set into the right context.
This is what I call perfectly engineered archetypes, citing one of the core strength of eve: There is no ultimate way to do everything. CCP I salute you.
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Morhon
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Alot of interesting answers, and it seems I'm not the only one with a varied opinion on what they were based towards. Though I find it kind of funny that CCP made the Jovians after themselves. The race who eventually kill themselves in their strive for perfection. Might be a hint to their obligation towards EVE itself .
I see your point But pretty clever how they based in on RL and blured it so much that there are so many differnent view points on where each race is desended from.
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:41:00 -
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Caldari (both bloodlines) are mainly japanese/east asian
Gallente (only the gallente bloodline) are French
Amarr (pure blood) are fundementelist Catholics (so probably from south west europe, and some from the americas)
Minmatar are various african tribes.
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Munin Crow
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Posted - 2005.11.04 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Munin Crow on 04/11/2005 22:58:42
I don't know how most of you came up with your ideas... most of them seem pretty random. But here is my take, with my textual backup:
Caldari: A Capitalist-Republic/Roman take on Americans.
"A state built on corporate capitalism, the Caldari State is run by a few mega-corporations which divide the state between them, controlling and ruling every aspect of society."
"Caldari society is steeped in military tradition. As a people, its members had to fight a long and bloody war to gain their independence."
"Even if the Caldari have not engaged in war for many decades, they still strive to be at the cutting edge of military technology."
"To curb their aggressive tendencies, the Caldari actively pursue and sponsor a range of sporting activities. Many of these are bloody, gladiatorial-like competitions, while others are more like races. But whatever the sport, the Caldari love betting on the outcome, making gambling a massive industry in the State."
"The Caldari State offers its citizens the best and the worst in living conditions. As long as you keep in line, do your job, uphold the laws and so forth, life can be fairly pleasant and productive. But for those who are not cut out for this strict, disciplined regime life quickly becomes intolerable. They lose their respect, family, status, everything, and the only options left to them are suicide or exile. Although not xenophobic as such, the Caldari are very protective of their way of life and tolerate only those foreigners that stick to the rules." - See Roman dignitas, and the historical effects of dignitas. Also the saying "when in Rome...". Also America's "not quite xenophobic" tendencies (as a cultural whole, not on an individual level).
The Gallente are self-explanatory. They are the French, and to a lesser extent, the whole EU. IĘm talking French, Germany (post-world war II contemporary germany), Sweden, and CONTEMPORARY Britain, etcą
Minimatar are a combination of Slavic, Gaelic, Nordic, African, Jamaican, and to a much lesser extent native culture. They are tribal. Warlike. Paint their faces before going to war. Have undergone enslavement. And now exist as a major criminal element. (All from the description under races). The enslaved bit fits Africans, Jamaicans, and Slavics (I am talking classic Slavics here, as in pre-ussr culture. Like, in the 1000Ęs AD type thing). The tribal bit fits Gaelic, Nordic, and native culture. The Mohawks seem to connect to nativesą but it could also be a punk reference. The tribal war paint is very Gaelic and African. I canĘt remember if the NordĘs painted their face before going to war, but I believe they did too.
The Amarr seem like a very old-British empire type system. Again, like middle ages Britain. It also has a bit of a old-Spanish flavour to it. They enslaved the Minimatar. Britain pretty much enslaved the Irish and Scotts (not exactly, but still). Britain and Spain played a major roll in the African slave trade. Both were very imperial in their heyday. Also the whole relgion thing, with the state being the church... The British first developed the prodistant sect when one of the British kings said, "I refuse to bow to Rome, I am the head of my own church".
Wellą those are my 2 cents.
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Toran Melchira
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Posted - 2005.11.05 01:15:00 -
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The Caldari are unequivocally Finnish. The names of both places and persons clearly demonstrates this.
Just two examples:
The name of one caldari system translates into "hatchery" in finnish, and the name of another can be translated as "I am a raspberry".
And there should be a caldari character named "Kiskaisen Tiukkaa". =)
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2005.11.05 01:19:00 -
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Marcus Thrawn
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Posted - 2005.11.05 01:32:00 -
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Caldari = American/German, Capitalistic, Militarist state.
Amarr = Middle-eastern, Highly religous, and willing to die for their cause
Gallente = French/East European, pacifists
Minmatar = Thrid world countries, undercrafted ships, slaves
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2005.11.05 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Toran Melchira
The Caldari are unequivocally Finnish. The names of both places and persons clearly demonstrates this.
Just two examples:
The name of one caldari system translates into "hatchery" in finnish, and the name of another can be translated as "I am a raspberry".
And there should be a caldari character named "Kiskaisen Tiukkaa". =)
LOL, are you serious? Those CCP guys are crafty, I tell you =) (Shameless bump)
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
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Posted - 2005.11.05 05:10:00 -
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I think you can look at each race as an almost epitomy of how our future may look if some empire had won in some way in the past.
Imagine Megatokyo and the ammalgamation of multisocial routes into one giant corporate anime future. We're talking big on weaponry, big on isolation, big on capitalism, and big on corporate entities. They've had to face the big war and extradite themselves from being a part of something that's not them. -Caldari
Now imagine a European superstate, where the economy has evolved rapidly into a huge beaurocratic mess. Freedom has allowed all ranges of the arts to develop across various media, and the boundaries of right and wrong blur in endless systematic possibilites. Everybody is a part of something and yet unique. -Gallente
Now imagine a Mad-max future. Freedom and family have never meant so much. Fighting from the shackles of one slavery or another in many different pasts, everyone can relate to the back-to-basics unity. Family, clan, brotherhood, sisterhood, and republic. Ties from far back in the darkness are never more strong. -Minmatar
Now imagine an Empire theocracy run riot. Life is dictated by the book or by His Word. Endless hierarchies building on each other over millenia, conquering or enslaving those they find who don't fit into their view perfectly. Perhaps a glory ebbing, but still a glorious godly future for them. -Amarr
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Leon 026
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Posted - 2005.11.05 07:39:00 -
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Caldari is a healthy mix of 1930s Imperial/militaristic Japan and 1970-1980s Corporate Japan (before the Bubble economic collapse in the 1990s)
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2005.11.05 08:01:00 -
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From what I've heard (around some other forums and the Library section) is that the only reason the Caldari aren't more asian (Japanese) looking is because CCP never got the models quite right in the first place. But I guess these things change for the next patch, ne?
Personally I always thought bloodline mattered more than race when it came to this discussion.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.05 08:12:00 -
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well the jove have been genetically modified beyond all original origins so i guess u could say they would be evolved from no one really. Frankenstien advacned race - think those grey aliens from sg-1 (the asgard)
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Hayzo
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Posted - 2005.11.05 09:06:00 -
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Caldari = Asian (Most likley Japanese)
Gallente = French
Minmatar = Not a clue
Amarr = Various Christian radicals who traveled through the EVE gate and settled on a planet.
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Check the race's timelines.
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Siren Shiva
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Posted - 2005.11.05 11:18:00 -
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The artwork of Jovians that I have seen looked very obviously asian. Even now, asians have the most advanced technology, why should this change in the future?
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Imho, Caldari are Russians who finally got the production and industrialism right.
Gallente are obvious.
Amarr, if you look at their culture and fundamentalist beliefs (Amarr women are punished if they show too much skin, for one) -> middle eastern origin.
Minmatar - Africans, not sure about Sebiestor though.
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Alitha Maru
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Posted - 2005.11.05 12:40:00 -
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I've always thought the Caldari was a mix of Japs and Finnish people. I mean, Kassigainen is a pretty Finnish name for a place. Iivinen too. And Hatakani sounds more japanese.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.11.05 13:00:00 -
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Gallente are Dutch, disagree and die 
Afaik; Caldari are Asian mostly, Gallente French/Central European.
Dont know or care about the Amarr and Minmatar
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Posted - 2005.11.05 13:27:00 -
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Gallente = French
Amarr = British
Minmatar = African
Caldari = America
As you can see the British with their slavery took many africans under their control as slaves.
Also, the British fought the Americans in the revolution, The French and the British fought on and off at some periods and history, whilst the French with their colonisation of Africa were supportive.
I feel many of these things reflect in EvE =]
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Benilopax
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Posted - 2005.11.05 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Benilopax on 05/11/2005 13:31:20
ok
Gallenteans : French colonists from Tau ceti who went through eve gate.
Caldari: Americo-japanese corporate industrialist groups who went to supply the colonists with products.
Amarr: Roman Catholic padres who went through the gate to spread "christianity" to the new worlds.
Minmatar: Originating from poorer backgrounds 3rd world like i would guess. Minmatar were brought through as workers for the other 3 races. And have since liberated themselves.
Jove: Scientists who went to EVE for research purposes. And have since formed an elite race.
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Peter Armstrong
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Posted - 2005.11.05 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: Peter Armstrong on 05/11/2005 13:47:40
umm i wounder what would Britain be as then? like Khanid Kingdom or something?
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.11.05 13:58:00 -
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The Amarr have nothing to do with Americans, unless we're talking about fictional Americans from the 18th and 19th centuries who didn't mind an Emperor and all apparently owned slaves.
They have much more in common with pre-modern Middle Eastern and North African cultures like the Egyptians and Mesopotamians. The Pax Amarria references to subjugating other cultures and converting them is more closely related to Jihadism and the Koran than it is the New Testament, or even the Torah.
If anything, religious subjugation and slavery by white-ish overlords over brown-ish and jaundiced slaves sounds like Middle Eastern conquests of African, Iberian and Asiatic cultures. The heavy political role that priests play in Amarr culture also feels more like Islam than it does modern Christianity or Judaism, hyperbolic references to American evangelical TV personalties aside.
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Munin Crow
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Posted - 2005.11.05 14:55:00 -
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I don't know why so many people read Caldari as being Japanese. There is really NOTHING in their background text to tie them the Japanese. People sort of went, corporate? Oh, HAS to be Japanese then. As someone else has said, the Joviens make a much better choice for the Japanese... and their artwork seems to reflect that. Obsessed with perfection. Higher technology. Japanese. The Caldari background text puts them in an OBVIOUSE link with Rome, everything from dignitas, suicide, exile, and a corporate republic. Follow the leader, or loose your honor and standing. Lost your honor and standing? Leave or kill yourself. ROME! Gladiatorial games and races? Uhą hello!? ROME anyone!?
Rome is also a textually classic parallel for Americaą but this point can be argued.
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Sentani
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Posted - 2005.11.05 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sentani on 05/11/2005 15:18:10
Edited by: Sentani on 05/11/2005 15:17:42
think its:
caldari: american - asian (no they arnt swedish, we arnt stonecold capitalists)
amarr: russian - balkan (their religion is kinda ortodox-cristianity)
gallente: french - indian (the intakis looks abit indian if you ask me)
minmatar: afrian - norden europe (finland, sweden, norway, iceland and maybe denmark)
this is offcourse my view on the races, and i feel im not wrong.
edit: and americans LOVE spectator sports... ever seen that ulrimate-fighing thing, and offcourse the gladiators ?
and some asians (especialy the japanese) rather die then lose their honor,
or in other word the tea-party-sueside thing)
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Brazero
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Posted - 2005.11.05 15:26:00 -
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You know, CCP started out just fine with the Minmatar race, they have names and arcitecture from medieval nordic history. Stargates and stations all looks like buildings from scandinavia around 1000 ac. Same thing with system names, they all sounds like old norwegian. But what happend to the looks of the minmatar ppl? Vikings with Ray-Ban and rasta hair? |
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Posted - 2005.11.05 15:28:00 -
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tbh i don't think you can directly link them to any current or passed state.
Caldari do exibit some forms of Asian work ethic's at them moment, but it can also be argued they represent super corporations like microsoft and also reflcet the way the US mobilised the enitre country after Peal harbour.
the Amarr are obvious.
a fictional state based on a advanced version of the time period around the crusade's.
they fight to the last in the name of the emperor who could be seen as god hand on earth.
Minmatar are extreamly mixed.
when they were slaves under amarr you would see links to modern gorrila type atack's vs a superior force.
their culture is like many with a tribal/Family layout.
Gallente imo are a perfect interpritation of most modern western countrys.
democratic with the idea of people having the power.
they endourse corporations as a good link would be quafe/cocacola.
the media is very important like modern western country's as seen in the recent election.
the surface represents a perfect and content people, but as seen by the caldari brake off and rumor over the intaki this may not be true.
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Void Dragon
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Posted - 2005.11.05 16:06:00 -
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I take it none of you read the eve backstories 
Amarr - Origonal collony ship was made up of fundimentalist Roman catholics wanting to set up a secular society in eve cluster
Caldari - European but later goverment taken over by corperations
Gilent - European/french
Mimitar - African State
I advise you reead up on all the background stories And of course the first edition of the instructionbook.
The basi cstory was that each nation on earth sent a colony ship through eve gate and near the end other groups sent some too such as the amarr's ancestors.
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Sevarus James
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Posted - 2005.11.05 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Sevarus James on 05/11/2005 16:17:57
Edited by: Sevarus James on 05/11/2005 16:16:45
Just a little timeline research. I think to 'categorize' ANY of the current races based upon 20th century precepts is a tad shortsighted...considering that the EVE gate and wormhole aren't discovered until about 5000 years from RIGHT NOW.
Any real governmental references go out the window with even a casual understanding of cultural changes and governments over the LAST 5000 years. Other than specific racial background which conceivably would still be in some 'play' even that far down the road, the cultures that have arisen in EVE are about as far removed from current 21st century peoples and cultures as we are from the ancient cave dwellers who began farming in the Euphrates some 10,000 years ago.
From the timelines of the races:
3805 AD - The Conformists (group within CATHOLIC CHURCH) settles on Soekheviti. -Amarr - no specific races.
7089 AD - Tau-Ceti colonists originate from French origin. (Gallente) Settle in YH-451.
7993 AD - The Third Planet in the YH-451 system is BOUGHT by a mega corp. Small colonization effort begins. -Caldari Origins with no specific racial background other than corporate structures.
8017 AD- Pator discovered and colonized. (Matar) -mishmash of cultures. Tribal origins BEGAN after the scattering of the Matari following the EVE gate catastrophe when the populations were scattered across Matar.
8071 A.D. -EVE closes.
18622 AD- Matar civilization develop.
22386- Amarr reach Pator.
23216 AD -Minmatar Rebellion
23341AD- current.
Side note: there are no timelines set in backstory for Jove....but this:
They settled in a number of systems and founded an empire lasting nine millenia, but even if the Jovians are by far the most technologically advanced of the races of EVE, they have still not recovered the splendour of their first empire. -due to the jovian disease brought on by genetic manipulation.
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Munin Crow
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Posted - 2005.11.05 19:17:00 -
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I was assuming we were not discussing their literal backstory, but rather which culture they resembled most. That is to say, which culture they were an allegory on, and a commentary on. As such, the culture of Caldari is a direct link to rome/america, minimatar to Nordic, Gaelic, African, and Slavic cultures, Gallante to the EU, and Amarr to some medieval government like Britain or Spain. Otherwise, sevurus, you are right.
And void, you shoudl read up on your backstories a bit yourself. The Minimatar are never said to be a purly African State. In fact, they would not make sense as an african state. The Sabiestors are nothing like an African state. As Brazero said, they have many aspects of Nordic culture. As Brazero failed to notice, they are not supposed to be a purly Nordic culture (hence the dreadlocked, and dark skinned, brutors).
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.11.05 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 05/11/2005 20:08:42
Clearly the Joves are Americans, due to their superiority to the other races, and the fact they wtfpwn'd the last race that attacked them.
Oh, and the whole decaying thing kinda fits them too I guess.
Caldari really don't look very asian. They seem more Germanic /anglo/dutch in appearance. They could be american too, due to the captialism and technology (america has a comparable amount of high-tech developments as the japanese, only ours are more military than civilian, just like the caldari). Ofcourse, America's missiles, big or small, actually do damage when hitting a target of any size
Minmatar seem african or middle-eastern going by complexion and facial features.
Gallente are French.
Amarrians are... Italian/Scilian of Roman decent? Can't think of any other race that hardcore about religion (and no damnit, america isn't a country of christian zealots).
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Edited by: Sh''aath Agar on 05/11/2005 20:38:20
By what I have read from the site, I would think that;
Gallente: French(Atleast the Gallente bloodline), or other Northern/Middle/South European.
Caldari: Either Japanese or Nordic(Scandinavian/Finnish(?), even some system names mean funny things in Finnish.("I Am A Raspberry".. Cant stop laughing.)
Amarr: Sounds something like ancient Egyptian, or British. With the Emperor/King/Pharaoh thing.. Maybe even Russian(Catholic/Orthodox?).
Minmatar: African? With all the tribes, and stuff..
Jove: Impossible to tell, since they have modified their DNA several times. The high technological advancements would point towards Japanese/Nordic/Mid-Europe if you ask me.
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The minimatar look middle eastern? First of all, they don't have the slightest bit of middle eastern culture in their backstory. Second of all, they don't look middle eastern at all. The Sebiestor look Slavic or starved Nordic, and the Brutors look African/Jamaican...
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Posted - 2005.11.05 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Remedial
The Amarr have nothing to do with Americans, unless we're talking about fictional Americans from the 18th and 19th centuries who didn't mind an Emperor and all apparently owned slaves.
They have much more in common with pre-modern Middle Eastern and North African cultures like the Egyptians and Mesopotamians. The Pax Amarria references to subjugating other cultures and converting them is more closely related to Jihadism and the Koran than it is the New Testament, or even the Torah.
If anything, religious subjugation and slavery by white-ish overlords over brown-ish and jaundiced slaves sounds like Middle Eastern conquests of African, Iberian and Asiatic cultures. The heavy political role that priests play in Amarr culture also feels more like Islam than it does modern Christianity or Judaism, hyperbolic references to American evangelical TV personalties aside.
Nope there a twisted version of Roman Catholics as can be seen from the backstory
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Posted - 2005.11.05 21:47:00 -
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The minmatar may not have originated from any single earth group. Their homeworld, Matar is one of the most confortable planets in EVE, and was one of the prime locations for colanising, likely many groups from all over the world settled on this planet. Culturally however the Minmatar = african.
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.11.05 21:53:00 -
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There is nothing saying defintivley the Caldari were from one particular earth group, however they are all desended from the employies of the megacorperation that terraformed their homeworld. The Megacorperation suggest the caldari are either USA/western europorean or east asain.
Caldari Culture is most simalar to east asain cultures.
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.11.05 21:58:00 -
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Also the apperance of a particular race should not be taken into account very much becuase the races have had a good 15000 years to evolve since the eve gate closed.
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Munin Crow
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Posted - 2005.11.05 22:18:00 -
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Zaldiri, the Minimatar culture is about as homo-cultural as it is homo-ethnic. They have as much (if not more) Nordic and Gaelic culture as they do African.
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Posted - 2005.11.07 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Remedial on 07/11/2005 16:55:00
Originally by: Zaldiri
Nope there a twisted version of Roman Catholics as can be seen from the backstory
Uh, they're Fifteen THOUSAND years removed from the Catholic church. I think it's safe to say that they're not a "twisted version of Roman Catholics" any more than America today is a "twisted form of ancient Greece" from 2500 years ago.
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Posted - 2005.11.07 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Munin Crow
I was assuming we were not discussing their literal backstory, but rather which culture they resembled most.
We're not allowed to do that. It's been done a few times before and ALWAYS leads to racial-bashing of some form or another.
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Posted - 2005.11.07 17:52:00 -
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What if... bear with me here... what if... the races in Eve aren't all based on real life racial stereotypes? 
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2005.11.07 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Professor McFly
What if... bear with me here... what if... the races in Eve aren't all based on real life racial stereotypes?
Unlikely, even if CCP went way off into lala land with their ideas, they were invariably affected by the people that they have in their society, and the different types of interaction each has with one another. I'm sure someone could write a rather good sociology paper on how game designers flesh out "races" in games using life experience.
Anyways, my two bits; I do not see the relation between Caldari and Americans besides the broad notion of capitalism. The US corporate structure, as it is, is still heavily regulated by the government. From what I know about Japan, corporations are very similar to being part of a family. Its far more fair to say that:
Caldari: Capitalism run amok.
Gallente: Freedom run amok. (To the point the government says, "Starving? NOT OUR PROBLEM!")
Amarr: Religion fantazism (any religion) run amok.
Minmatar: Lawlessness run amok.
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Posted - 2005.11.07 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Takitoo on 07/11/2005 18:51:19
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Clearly the Joves are Americans, due to their superiority to the other races, and the fact they wtfpwn'd the last race that attacked them.
Consider yourself flamed.
Alot of people, however are bringing up a very interesting point. EVE races evolved from bloodlines 1500 years older than us. At this point you have to think genetics, not countries.
The Amarr: Amarr are primarily white, the Ni-Kunni are white as well. (These are recessive genes, so that's a bit odd.) And the Amarr female looks just a tad mideastern to me.
The Minmatar: Are of a mixed genetic background. Brutor are black, but have several genetic traits, such as long, uncurled hair from other backgrounds. Also they're not as dark as most African tribes, whereas the Sebiestor are clearly very nordic in skin coloring and haircolor. So the Brutor are mulato at best.
The Caldari: The Caldari breed a pretty large part of their population in tubes. You'd assume that they select the best genes possible, ergo there's a toal mix right there.
The Gallente: Their language might be french-inspired, but other than that nothing indicates any particular mixed heritage.
So, thinking about this, the only bloodline that actually has a distinct genetic heritage is the Minmatar. There's a slight Middle eatsern resemblence in Amarr females, but that's arguable.
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Posted - 2005.11.07 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Takitoo
Edited by: Takitoo on 07/11/2005 18:51:19
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Clearly the Joves are Americans, due to their superiority to the other races, and the fact they wtfpwn'd the last race that attacked them.
Consider yourself flamed.
Alot of people, however are bringing up a very interesting point. EVE races evolved from bloodlines 1500 years older than us. At this point you have to think genetics, not countries.
The Amarr: Amarr are primarily white, the Ni-Kunni are white as well. (These are recessive genes, so that's a bit odd.) And the Amarr female looks just a tad mideastern to me.
The Minmatar: Are of a mixed genetic background. Brutor are black, but have several genetic traits, such as long, uncurled hair from other backgrounds. Also they're not as dark as most African tribes, whereas the Sebiestor are clearly very nordic in skin coloring and haircolor. So the Brutor are mulato at best.
The Caldari: The Caldari breed a pretty large part of their population in tubes. You'd assume that they select the best genes possible, ergo there's a toal mix right there.
The Gallente: Their language might be french-inspired, but other than that nothing indicates any particular mixed heritage.
So, thinking about this, the only bloodline that actually has a distinct genetic heritage is the Minmatar. There's a slight Middle eatsern resemblence in Amarr females, but that's arguable.
First off, do not placatte the child, if he wants to dillude himself with those sort of views, then so be it. It was an attention grab, and you've fallen for the trap.
Secondly, you're breaking the one golden rule of genetics; variation. There is variation within closed groups, so you can easily have someone of African decent with skin complexion equal to or lighter to someone of Middle Eastern decent. At the same time, people of Nordic or Asian decent can have thick, curled hair, of dark pigment, without having an African decendent in their geneology.
This is why you cannot judge races on how they look, purely, but how they act, and how they interact with the other races. There is nothing in ones genetics that will purely differentiate one human "race" from another, we are all ~99.999999999% related to one another, and ~99.9% related to a rat. (Not piRATes =P, rat rats.)
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Takitoo
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Posted - 2005.11.07 20:12:00 -
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But what about the consistency ?
I've tried it, and you can't make a darker Brutor as fas as I know. Variation is fine and dandy, but *all* Brutor are mulato.
As for the behavior patterns: We don't have any information on that. And even if we did, we couldn't lead it back to todays society. Behavior patterns can change vastly during 1500 years. And I'm sure the stranding on one planet for several generations altered that as well. So really, the only lead we *have* is looks.
The problem with the attention grabber is more a personal one. I've been at the receiving end of those a bit too often. that's why it irked me. 
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2005.11.07 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Takitoo
But what about the consistency ?
I've tried it, and you can't make a darker Brutor as fas as I know. Variation is fine and dandy, but *all* Brutor are mulato.
As for the behavior patterns: We don't have any information on that. And even if we did, we couldn't lead it back to todays society. Behavior patterns can change vastly during 1500 years. And I'm sure the stranding on one planet for several generations altered that as well. So really, the only lead we *have* is looks.
The problem with the attention grabber is more a personal one. I've been at the receiving end of those a bit too often. that's why it irked me.
Well, behaviour patterns are in the race descriptions. Minmatar are a "tribal", "criminal" group, while the Gallente uphold "freedom", and Caldari have "strong work ethics, and haughty detached demeanors".
Also, current experts believe that humanity will inevitably meld into a homogenous "race", so we cannot call Brutors Mulato anymore than we can call Gallente French, whatever Mulato or French that was present has been mixed and mixed, then randomly mutated from seperation with the other races.
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Ziom Luna
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Posted - 2005.11.07 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: HybridMiner
Gallente = French
Amarr = British
Minmatar = African
Caldari = America
As you can see the British with their slavery took many africans under their control as slaves.
Close, but I'd go for...
Gallente = French
Amarr = Americans
Minmatar = African
Caldari = Western European with Japanese influence.
America was into slavery far far more than the Brits and continued to practice slavery long after most other countries gave it up... as with the Amarr/Minmitar situation in present day Eve.
I always thought the word Amarr was some spin off from America anyway 
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JAG Solex
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:34:00 -
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Seems pretty obvious to me:
Amarr = Russian & Slavic (Roman Orthodox Religion)
Caldari = North America & Japan
Gallente = French & Europeans
Minmatar = African & Middle Eastern
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Ralus
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:37:00 -
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I think that origionally the caldari and the gallante were one people:
Originally by: eve chronicals
After a while the Caldari agenda became clear - they were willing to sign peace if the Federation would return Caldari Prime and acknowledge the newly formed Caldari state.
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Dyzz on 07/11/2005 23:40:22
If the Gallante are clearly french then why dont Mega's Domi's and every other Gal ship have little white flags that fly from them ??
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dyzz
Edited by: Dyzz on 07/11/2005 23:40:22
If the Gallante are clearly french then why dont Mega's Domi's and every other Gal ship have little white flags that fly from them ??
Wow, funny... why don't you ask why the amarrian ships don't have bombs strapped to them, bigot?
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Pinstripe Giamatti
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dyzz
Edited by: Dyzz on 07/11/2005 23:40:22
If the Gallante are clearly french then why dont Mega's Domi's and every other Gal ship have little white flags that fly from them ??
In 20K years, I think we'd also expect the evolution of some highly specialized, Gallente-only skills, like "Retreat," "Collaborate," and "Surrender."
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dyzz
Edited by: Dyzz on 07/11/2005 23:40:22
If the Gallante are clearly french then why dont Mega's Domi's and every other Gal ship have little white flags that fly from them ??
And this is WHY we're not allowed to make IRL comparisons. I told you it'd degenerate into offensive racial slurs.
Hopefully a mod somewhere is still awake and can delete them before it gets any further out of hand.
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Posted - 2005.11.12 06:50:00 -
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Edited by: Dyzz on 12/11/2005 06:52:46
Edited by: Dyzz on 12/11/2005 06:50:48
How could you possible see that as a racist slur when
it is obvious that "French" is a nationality not a race. Humans are a race. Therefore no racial slur occured. And the reason I dont strap bombs to my Geddon is because then it really really would look like a Phallus. And even though i like to go around space screwing people i dont want to advertise it. Its just a bit over the top. Oh and pinstripe that is pure genius.
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Posted - 2005.11.12 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dyzz
Edited by: Dyzz on 12/11/2005 06:52:46
Edited by: Dyzz on 12/11/2005 06:50:48
How could you possible see that as a racist slur when
it is obvious that "French" is a nationality not a race.
It's under the anti-racism act that you'd be prosecuted, if you said that in England.
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Posted - 2005.11.12 08:42:00 -
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i think real world comparisons cant be made - i think the devs took elements of human history and human behaviour (ie religious - slavery - democratic - ultra capitalists - rebels - slaves split from race - ultra technological advanced and xenophobic (Jove) = well moreso insular in not engaging outside gruopds to much
I think probably the idea for the racial groups in eve probably came moreso from science fiction (star trek, star wars - battlestar galactica)
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chingon
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Posted - 2005.11.12 10:37:00 -
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minmatars look like jamaicans with their dreadlocks and sunglasses lol :)
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Obwi Stefano
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Posted - 2005.11.12 10:55:00 -
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how cares there all bastards
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Quithlar Binay
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Posted - 2005.11.12 11:00:00 -
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I remember this topic in the Bloodlines section of the Shiva forum. One pilot (unfortunately I cannot remember the name) had studied the linguistic origins of the bloodlines, and come to conclusions such as:
Achura - Japanese
Amarr - Latin (Roman)
Brutor - Afrikaans
Deteis - Russian
Civire - Finnish
Gallente - French
Intaki - Indian
Khanid - Arab
Sebiestor - Dutch
If I recall also:
Jinmei - Chinese
...and others that I do not remember. Hopefully the pilot will see and claim his work here.
As for culture, that is more a matter of opinion than ironclad fact. None of the groups above maintained the same outlook for their entire history before the EVE gate opened, let alone 20000 years on.
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Posted - 2005.11.12 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Tash Murkon on 12/11/2005 12:03:38
Gallente: french..
Caldari: Germans..
Amarr: Anicent egyptians/arabs
minmatar: chinese..
The scriptures remind me with the book of the dead.
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Posted - 2005.11.12 14:30:00 -
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I remember it was posted somewhere about 8 months ago, don't remember the source though:
Caldari - Americans and Japaneese (advanced electronics and missile technology)
Amarr - Russians and Arab countries (Islamic zeal and efficient and cheap Russian technology - no ammo required for lasers)
Minmatar - African and German (Tribal society from africa and great mechanics from Germany - therefore they use projectiles and in one story it has been mentioned that just before they were enslaved by Amarr they were about to construct their own Stargate with unique technology - it would 'shoot' the ship at great velocity using superior mechanical equipment)
Gallente - French (the idea of liberal society, stylish ships, etc.)
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Meeko Gloom
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Posted - 2005.11.12 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: WolfGang H
Saying they are all from America would describe them all. I love the great melting pot, don't you?
USA USA USA
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Meeko Gloom
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Posted - 2005.11.12 14:43:00 -
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thats kind of funny amarr as america.... what never mind its not.
Europeans kind of look like joves but no where near as smart
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Posted - 2005.11.12 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: JAG Solex
Seems pretty obvious to me:
Amarr = Russian & Slavic (Roman Orthodox Religion)
Caldari = North America & Japan
Gallente = French & Europeans
Minmatar = African & Middle Eastern
Agreeing with him.
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Posted - 2005.11.12 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Meeko Gloom
thats kind of funny amarr as america.... what never mind its not.
Europeans kind of look like joves but no where near as smart
USA USA USA
are you Americans forgetting about you're origin? most of you are Europeans
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Originally by: Armor Jack
Originally by: Meeko Gloom
thats kind of funny amarr as america.... what never mind its not.
Europeans kind of look like joves but no where near as smart
USA USA USA
are you Americans forgetting about you're origin? most of you are Europeans
im bi-rical so... african-european... american i guess
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Posted - 2005.11.12 17:20:00 -
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My 2p
Amarr = cross between Catholic church and Roman Empire (not sure where the names originate from) - I have no idea where the heck people are getting 'American' from with them
Gallente = french with a little of the rest of Europe influencing
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Posted - 2005.11.12 17:28:00 -
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Heres my version
Caldari - Americans, love missiles and explosions
Gallente - French
Minmatar - African
Amarr - Catholics, still has minmatar slaves
Jovian - Asians, more intelligent then the rest of them
Ha Ha, I so witty.
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