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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3020
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:53:00 -
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Xamiakas wrote:"The fact is that Caldari ships are used more now in PvP (with the exception of the Drake and the Blackbird) than I have seen since I started playing the game" please.. tell me where exactly did you get THAT fact from ?:D *smells yet another fail"
Naga fleets, Rohk fleets, Scorpions are a thing again, Tengu fleets, Chimera's are used in Sentry Carrier fleets, Caracal's are awesome, the newish Caldari destroyer is pretty decent, Hawk's have been a thing lately, Moa's are great fun... I could go on. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Adunh Slavy
924
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:55:00 -
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Arbalest Cruise Launchers are going up in price. Better get in on the nerf while ya can. |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
17
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:57:00 -
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how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez <-- unbelievably low tollerance to stupidity in people. That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father. |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
239
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:58:00 -
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Combatevolved wrote:
I don't get it.. What is the job of the raven? It can't kite with cruiser missiles...
I'm only an 08 pilot, I came along in a time when battleships roamed the galaxy travelling at a cool 3000 km/s. I hear there was a time when torp ravens ruled the galaxy because of explosion AoE. Confirm / Deny?
Since then, it's been pretty well relegated to a t1 pve role or a pos bashing fleet role. For as long as I can remember, missiles and shields have been two very bad combinations when matched against a similar gun/armor setup. I've seen some creative solo setups but they are very limited in scope and being a bs, it's very touchy watching for the many things that can kill you while hunting those that won't.
Now with increasing the damage output and missile velocity on cruise I can sort of see where ccp is trying to close the gap between missiles and guns, delivering more damage faster, but its still a disadvantage. A good FC may be able to use range on certain autocannon/blaster/pulse fleets, and kiting bat having a 150km warp to and reset frigate of some sort. Flying a raven solo just seems bad no matter how you slice it, even when the ASB was new. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:00:00 -
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Xamiakas wrote:how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez
Its almost like the Raven isn't built to go toe to toe with other BS at 0km range. You might need to use a different ship, maybe one thats more suited to blasters and close range combat (Rokh perhaps).
Also you have yet to answer the question as to how you use this in PVP, I presume with a small gang/tackling friend since there is no way to fit a Raven for tackling and tank. |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
17
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:11:00 -
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The Slayer wrote:Xamiakas wrote:how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez Its almost like the Raven isn't built to go toe to toe with other BS at 0km range. You might need to use a different ship, maybe one thats more suited to blasters and close range combat (Rokh perhaps). Also you have yet to answer the question as to how you use this in PVP, I presume with a small gang/tackling friend since there is no way to fit a Raven for tackling and tank. i answered your question already .. you actually even quoted it too:d and still don`t see the answer dude, really?and wtf was that "almost like" :D how about it always was? and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about.. <-- unbelievably low tollerance to stupidity in people. That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3020
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:13:00 -
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Xamiakas wrote:The Slayer wrote:Xamiakas wrote:how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez Its almost like the Raven isn't built to go toe to toe with other BS at 0km range. You might need to use a different ship, maybe one thats more suited to blasters and close range combat (Rokh perhaps). Also you have yet to answer the question as to how you use this in PVP, I presume with a small gang/tackling friend since there is no way to fit a Raven for tackling and tank. i answered your question already .. you actually even quoted it too:d and still don`t see the answer dude, really?and wtf was that "almost like" :D how about it always was? and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about..
All that time spent in wormholes has left you out of touch with the game. Devblogs are your friend.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
459
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:13:00 -
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Xamiakas wrote:how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez
Except the mega would be better at what you are trying to do (short range brawling) than a raven. You are using the wrong ship. The changes pretty much confirmed the raven as a long range ship by making it not as good at the bad utilisation you were using it for.
It does kinda remove some PvP options but those options were never good to begin with. |
Xamiakas
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
20
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:16:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Xamiakas wrote:The Slayer wrote:Xamiakas wrote:how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez Its almost like the Raven isn't built to go toe to toe with other BS at 0km range. You might need to use a different ship, maybe one thats more suited to blasters and close range combat (Rokh perhaps). Also you have yet to answer the question as to how you use this in PVP, I presume with a small gang/tackling friend since there is no way to fit a Raven for tackling and tank. i answered your question already .. you actually even quoted it too:d and still don`t see the answer dude, really?and wtf was that "almost like" :D how about it always was? and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about.. All that time spent in wormholes has left you out of touch with the game. Devblogs are your friend. i totally forgot.. we have diff ships in wh`s vs those in Kspace, right?:D i wish.. wouldn`t need to see the best subcap bashboat in this game being nerfed to suit hisec mission runners' needs. devblogs don`t really help if they`re there to state the obvious, which in this case is: "we`re still going with the notion to remove the last caldari ships from pvp fleets!" <-- unbelievably low tollerance to stupidity in people. That + you being your mother's child might aswell be the main reason why i am NOT your father. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3020
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:20:00 -
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Xamiakas wrote:i totally forgot.. we have diff ships in wh`s vs those in Kspace, right?:D i wish.. wouldn`t need to see the best subcap bashboat in this game being nerfed to suit hisec mission runners' needs. devblogs don`t really help if they`re there to state the obvious, which in this case is: "we`re still going with the notion to remove the last caldari ships from pvp fleets!"
Do you put effort in to being delusional or does it just happen? The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
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Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:24:00 -
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Alex Sinai wrote:It's because they love Minmatar and hate Caldari. Although lately i think they fallen victims to Amarr. But anyway, why not to kick Caldari ass if such a nice opportunity as expansion presents itself. WHY CCP.
This statement is so off its sad. Minnie boats have taken a steady nerf in every patch for the last 3 years. The latest one has buffed caldari boats once again and hit Minnie with a nerf (See TE nerf) They rebalanced the tengu because it could do most everything better than a T1 Battleship. Your CNR is now one of the best battleships in the game pretty much the equal to a pirate hull for less than 1/2 the cost. Have you see the cruise changes btw? Now they are almost what torps where pre patch with sniper range. |
Alex Sinai
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
101
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:25:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Do you put effort in to being delusional or does it just happen?
Another NullSec idiot pack of 20 running away from WH team of 3? Go ahead. Don't let them fly safe! |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
95
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:30:00 -
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Xamiakas wrote: and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about..
You say you snipe with torps and claim Large Rails can't snipe?
This thread just gets wierder. "You are even dumber than everyone says." - Kristopher Rocancourt
Tell The Others |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
62253
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:31:00 -
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idiot.
RAVENS ARE KING AGAIN!
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
459
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:35:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Xamiakas wrote: and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about.. You say you snipe with torps and claim Large Rails can't snipe? This thread just gets wierder.
To me it seems like he says he brawl with torps wich makes sense. What is stupid is the very idea of brawling in a raven tho. |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
96
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:38:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Xamiakas wrote: and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about.. You say you snipe with torps and claim Large Rails can't snipe? This thread just gets wierder. To me it seems like he says he brawl with torps wich makes sense. What is stupid is the very idea of brawling in a raven tho.
I know what you mean, but from what hes been saying he says he never fits cruisies he only fits torps, and that Raven is a better sniper than Rokh, which means he has to be sniping.... with torps?? "You are even dumber than everyone says." - Kristopher Rocancourt
Tell The Others |
Paul Panala
Beyond the Shadows
23
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:41:00 -
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Xamiakas wrote:Paul Panala wrote:All of the Raven pilots I know are really happy about the patch. You need to look at both the hull changes and the changes to cruise missiles.
As far as the Drake, yeah, as a Drake pilot I was frustrated about the changes...but I have to admit. The old Drake did seem OP compared to other Ballecruisers. I think they may have gone a little too far in nerfing it, in my opinion at least.
Give CCP some credit, they are doing a HUGE rebalance. They may not get everything right. We already saw they went back and tweaked a few of the same ships again in this patch. Sometimes it is hard to predict what will happen when you change 20 ships at a time. happy `bout cruise missile changes? excuse where exactly did i mention PVE RAVEN pilots ? and since WHEN hisec PVE should take upper hand to low,null,wh`s again? happy to cruise missile changes?:D that really sounds more like telling me that they`ve buffed caldari cruiser hulls by raping HMLs and supposedly buffing HAMs :D as i`ve said before already.. this isn`t a FAQ for newcomers.. and if "rebalance" you mean the continuation of the few year old tradition by NERFING caldari yet again, you`re actually right :D though, really SHOULD go check the dictionary. don`t know wtf you on about? if you really don`t, apply for a job @ CCCP = you`re a perfect recruit.
I said nothing about PvE. The Raven is built to be an extreme long range Battleship, look at its bonuses. Like any ship in Eve, if you try to fit/use it in a way that does not favor its bonuses you will be disappointed. Yes, the Odyssey changes make it better at performing that role in a PvP fleet.
I think the real challenge with Caldari is that their two weapon systems, Missile and Hybrid (gunnery), do not share any skills. As a Caldari pilot you are forced to write off half of their fleet until you have good skill for missiles and gunnery. Other races have the same problems, both with weapsons and tank, so you can't really say its unfair. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
460
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:43:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Xamiakas wrote: and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about.. You say you snipe with torps and claim Large Rails can't snipe? This thread just gets wierder. To me it seems like he says he brawl with torps wich makes sense. What is stupid is the very idea of brawling in a raven tho. I know what you mean, but from what hes been saying he says he never fits cruisies he only fits torps, and that Raven is a better sniper than Rokh, which means he has to be sniping.... with torps??
I think he mean the Rokh is more of a sniper than a brawler but I could be wrong. The optimal bonus is good for sniping but also good to get that little extra range on blaster... |
Alex Sinai
Galactic Industries Inc. BRABODEN
101
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:45:00 -
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Paul Panala wrote:
I said nothing about PvE. The Raven is built to be an extreme long range Battleship, look at its bonuses. Like any ship in Eve, if you try to fit/use it in a way that does not favor its bonuses you will be disappointed. Yes, the Odyssey changes make it better at performing that role in a PvP fleet.
I think the real challenge with Caldari is that their two weapon systems, Missile and Hybrid (gunnery), do not share any skills. As a Caldari pilot you are forced to write off half of their fleet until you have good skill for missiles and gunnery. Other races have the same problems, both with weapsons and tank, so you can't really say its unfair.
Good attempt to take discussion away from Raven nerf. Lost. Don't let them fly safe! |
Frosty-nee
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
14
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:45:00 -
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This thread is amazing! It's somewhat disheartening to look at it though and not be able to tell if he's serious or not. "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10 |
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
460
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:45:00 -
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Paul Panala wrote:Xamiakas wrote:Paul Panala wrote:All of the Raven pilots I know are really happy about the patch. You need to look at both the hull changes and the changes to cruise missiles.
As far as the Drake, yeah, as a Drake pilot I was frustrated about the changes...but I have to admit. The old Drake did seem OP compared to other Ballecruisers. I think they may have gone a little too far in nerfing it, in my opinion at least.
Give CCP some credit, they are doing a HUGE rebalance. They may not get everything right. We already saw they went back and tweaked a few of the same ships again in this patch. Sometimes it is hard to predict what will happen when you change 20 ships at a time. happy `bout cruise missile changes? excuse where exactly did i mention PVE RAVEN pilots ? and since WHEN hisec PVE should take upper hand to low,null,wh`s again? happy to cruise missile changes?:D that really sounds more like telling me that they`ve buffed caldari cruiser hulls by raping HMLs and supposedly buffing HAMs :D as i`ve said before already.. this isn`t a FAQ for newcomers.. and if "rebalance" you mean the continuation of the few year old tradition by NERFING caldari yet again, you`re actually right :D though, really SHOULD go check the dictionary. don`t know wtf you on about? if you really don`t, apply for a job @ CCCP = you`re a perfect recruit. I said nothing about PvE. The Raven is built to be an extreme long range Battleship, look at its bonuses. Like any ship in Eve, if you try to fit/use it in a way that does not favor its bonuses you will be disappointed. Yes, the Odyssey changes make it better at performing that role in a PvP fleet. I think the real challenge with Caldari is that their two weapon systems, Missile and Hybrid (gunnery), do not share any skills. As a Caldari pilot you are forced to write off half of their fleet until you have good skill for missiles and gunnery. Other races have the same problems, both with weapsons and tank, so you can't really say its unfair.
Long range missile are still more of a liability in pvp than a bonus. If you truly use thier range, you ca then be probed and warped to. Even if you don't, you still need a close range fleet to keep your enemy on grid or they will just warp away when they see the missiles coming. |
Frosty-nee
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
15
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:48:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote: Long range missile are still more of a liability in pvp than a bonus. If you truly use thier range, you ca then be probed and warped to. Even if you don't, you still need a close range fleet to keep your enemy on grid or they will just warp away when they see the missiles coming.
Bubbles and/or tackle is pretty good in pvp, or so I hear. "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10 |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
460
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:00:00 -
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Frosty-nee wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: Long range missile are still more of a liability in pvp than a bonus. If you truly use thier range, you ca then be probed and warped to. Even if you don't, you still need a close range fleet to keep your enemy on grid or they will just warp away when they see the missiles coming.
Bubbles and/or tackle is pretty good in pvp, or so I hear.
I hear those were provided by
Frostys Virpio wrote:a close range fleet to keep your enemy on grid or they will just warp away
but I might be wrong... |
Sarmatiko
1185
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:02:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:You say you snipe with torps and claim Large Rails can't snipe? This thread just gets wierder. Checked OP KB losses. Actually he used both torpedoes and 250mm rails on his Raven. TIL: POS bashing now actually called as "pro PVP". I feel so unworthy now
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The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:06:00 -
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But again I ask, in what way are you using this Raven that you fly with torps and no tackle? You have yet to say what you actually do in a Raven and "fly close mega blap blap torps" is neither a legible answer nor a functional English sentence so please try to think hard before you spew another nonsense post on the board. |
Frosty-nee
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
15
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:10:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:I hear those were provided by Frostys Virpio wrote:a close range fleet to keep your enemy on grid or they will just warp away but I might be wrong...
Which already works fine with other fleet comps so I don't really see what the difference is here "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10 |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
901
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:18:00 -
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so wait:
they shave off the 8th hislot of the raven, while keeping the 6 launcher slots, so it gets 1 utility (more than some) and give it a 7th midslot, thus increasing the ability to tank on the raven.
in addition they pretty much boost cruise missile dps by like 50%, while only making them slight less effective for shooting frigates and launchers getting a bit harder to fit on grid, which is a resource that isn't hard to come by in a shield setup.
dayum, look at dat nerf! [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Ramona McCandless
Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard
97
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:20:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:You say you snipe with torps and claim Large Rails can't snipe? This thread just gets wierder. Checked OP KB losses. Actually he used both torpedoes and 250mm rails on his Raven. TIL: POS bashing now actually called as "pro PVP".
Mixed or RailRaven?
Either way....
Just no. "You are even dumber than everyone says." - Kristopher Rocancourt
Tell The Others |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
460
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:23:00 -
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Frosty-nee wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:I hear those were provided by Frostys Virpio wrote:a close range fleet to keep your enemy on grid or they will just warp away but I might be wrong... Which already works fine with other fleet comps so I don't really see what the difference is here
Of course it affect all long range weapons but the delayed damage only adds up to that. The raven is basicly long range weapon with extra penalties in pvp. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
235
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:03:00 -
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I checked your killboard out of curiosity OP and as far as I can see you only use Ravens for structure bashing which considering the mass limitations on many statics is a bit of a waste. You could bring much more DPS in the form of Tier 3's to do the same job, Oracles are ideal and were standard kit with Guardian support for the job during my time in wormspace.
Why did you ever waste time lugging that thing into a hole, I can't bring myself to believe you squandered time, effort and resources actually building the thing in there. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
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