"dear" CCCP

Complaining to defunct communist states about Icelandic game companies never turns out well.

well, if you`re in this game for more than say 2-3 months, you`ll know what they`ve deserved the "Cccp" for.. :D

I too hate it when they nerf something by increasing the damage it can produce.

I too hate it when they nerf something by increasing the damage it can produce.

Complaining to defunct communist states about Icelandic game companies never turns out well.

You heard about the recent Cruise Missile Changes?

any good reason why pretty ever single expansion for the last 2-3 years were sealed with **** of caldari fleet? :Drake, HMLs/tengus, now i see raven got a kick in the nuts too. wtf? raven was the weakest BS in this game for the last like 2 years as it is .. so you decided to work on that and nerf it even more? WHY...? just.. WHY?

All of the Raven pilots I know are really happy about the patch. You need to look at both the hull changes and the changes to cruise missiles.

As far as the Drake, yeah, as a Drake pilot I was frustrated about the changes...but I have to admit. The old Drake did seem OP compared to other Ballecruisers. I think they may have gone a little too far in nerfing it, in my opinion at least.

Give CCP some credit, they are doing a HUGE rebalance. They may not get everything right. We already saw they went back and tweaked a few of the same ships again in this patch. Sometimes it is hard to predict what will happen when you change 20 ships at a time.

excuse where exactly did i mention PVE RAVEN pilots ?

Raven - buffed.

Scorpion - buffed.

Navy Drake - introduced.

Drake - rebalanced, HAM Drakes work well.

Tengu - HML rebalanced the hull itself like all T3 is overpowered.

Caracal - buffed.

Moa - buffed (possibly my favourite blaster boat now).

OP I'm not really seeing things in the same light you are, please explain how you feel Caldari ships in general and the Raven in particular have been nerfed rather than just stating it to be so.

There are other kinds?

Your Post is too docile, use this thread instead to post Your squeamish little complaints. :)

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=223608&find=unread

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Damn them, increasing the effectiveness of the Raven is clearly a huge nerf.

Pretty much all the T1 hulls in the game are in a good place now, really dont know what everybody is getting there panties in a twist about.

Now CCP, hurry up and buff the HACs.

soz, ignored as spam. cy.. er.. nvm. bye

Cruise missiles have been overhauled to be a viable weapon system in actual combat.
Rate of Fire on all Cruise Missile Launchers has been increased by 5% (as clarification, that means they shoot more often, not less).
All Cruise Missile Launcher powergrid needs have been increased by 200.
Base velocity for all Cruise Missiles has been increased from 3750m/s to 4700m/s.
Base flight time for all Cruise Missiles has been reduced from 20 to 14 seconds.
All Cruise Missile damage has been approximately increased by 25%.
To compensate, all Cruise Missiles explosion radius has been increased by 10% (meaning they will hit smaller targets for less damage).

All ship passive resistance bonuses have been decreased from 5% to 4% per level to make active tanking more viable in combat. This change affects 44 ships in total (Ibis, Taipan, Merlin, Worm, Harpy, Cambion, Moa, Gila, Eagle, Onyx, Broadsword, Drake, Ferox, Nighthawk, Vulture, Tengu, Loki, Skiff, Mackinaw, Hulk, Rokh, Scorpion Navy Issue, Rattlesnake, Chimera, Wyvern, Impairor, Punisher, Vengeance, Malice, Malediction, Maller, Sacrilege, Mimir, Vangel, Devoter, Phobos, Prophecy, Absolution, Damnation, Loki, Legion, Proteus, Abaddon, Archon, Aeon)

RAVEN
Slot layout: 7H(-1), 7M(+1), 5L; 4 turrets , 6 launchers.
Fittings: 11000 PWG(+1500), 750(+50) CPU.
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7000(-500) / 5800(-841) / 6400(-241).
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / recharge per second) : 5500(+187.5) / 1160s / 4.74.
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 113(+19) / .12(-.008) / 99300000 / 16.52s (-1.1s).
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-25) / 75.
Signature radius: 420(-50).

i think you`re a 3rd "really intelligent" person telling me that keeping bonuses the same but lowering the number of slots on the raven was actually a buff.. haven`t seen a single one actually making any sense so far. feel like being the 1st one?:D

Just briefly,



Good so far for pve ravens

and how is taking slots away from a raven a buff ?

It's been repurposed to an Attack Battleship & cruise missiles, which is the weapon of choice for Raven pilots, have received a significant buff to their performance. Overall the new Raven will perform far better than the old one.

It's been repurposed to an Attack Battleship & cruise missiles, which is the weapon of choice for Raven pilots, have received a significant buff to their performance. Overall the new Raven will perform far better than the old one.

Why do I get a feeling this guy fly Raven PVE or even Raven Screenshots and thinks thats the way it should be. Fun fun.

Why do I get a feeling this guy fly Raven PVE or even Raven Screenshots and thinks thats the way it should be. Fun fun.

humor me: tell me how exactly keeping the bonuses as they were, low slot number - as it was.. and taking one high slot away results in higher damage potential?

at pve - yes.
at pvp - are you stupid? rhetorical, incase you didn`t get that bit.

The Raven had 7 Highs and 6 Missile Hardpoints, now it has 6 Highs and 6 Missile Hardpoints, it lost a utility high for an extra midslot, that's a good trade.

It's also faster, has way more fitting, and cruise missiles are awesome now.

You're an idiot.

cause he said that himself :DDD he IS a hisec fart still struggling with l4`s. what do you expect?:D

Oh, I'm sorry. I could have sworn earlier you were complaining it was a nerf for pve pilots. It's still a good deal for pvp pilots, even though a raven is a bad idea for most pvp in most every situation I've seen. Look at it this way, you lose a neut but you gain a web/scram or painter. More damage is always a good idea for pvp, and missiles are bad for pvp. Sad but true.

sorry my dear little cheap troll.. ignored. i`d like to say "cya" but i know i won`t.

rants

Maybe they should include when picking characters. Caldari is only more PvE. Not only do missiles suck for PvP, but so do all caldari ships.

It's so lovely to see all these "PVPers of HighSec or theory" praising Raven nerf. Lots of fun. Thanks Xam! :-)

OP I really don't see what your problem is.

Lets take the Raven with Cruise now doing an extra 30% damage with faster base flight time added to the hulls bonuses this allows you to apply that damage far better than you were before and should more than makes up for the loss of a high slot.

You have increased PG and CPU allowing you better fitting options as well as an additional mid-slot and increased capacitor.

While you have lost some native tank you have gained extra speed a faster align time and a lowered sig radius .

As for HML's there range was excessive and gave to much of an advantage to missile spamming gangs, I do tend to think the DPS drop was a little on the high side but not enough to worry me. Try HAM Drakes, they are fun boats and do a good job unless of course you have personal problems with opponents actually being within effective combat range of you.

The fact is that Caldari ships are used more now in PvP (with the exception of the Drake and the Blackbird) than I have seen since I started playing the game. This rebalance has given the Raven a chance to crawl out fo the PvE oubliette it has languished in for years as the T1 cruiser rebalance brought the Caldari hulls back into the light.

If you don't want to see this then that is of course up to you to maintain your delusion of choice.

try again miss, this time, make some sense :D if missiles are so bad for pve, lol ccp wouldn`t have nerfed HMLs.. and now ravens :D YES.. higher dps is good for pvp .. at the same time.. there are other things to pvp .. like neuts, AOE.. potential of which was so nicely decreased on ravens.

So is reding idiots who can't explain how they used thier raven in pvp since it's a **** combo of range bonus on large missile to begin with. It was unable to brawl because the tank was bad, the rage bonus on missile is poor at best because it put cruise way too damn far to be usable and torps are still bad damage application on any target faster than a POS.

So is reding idiots who can't explain how they used thier raven in pvp since it's a **** combo of range bonus on large missile to begin with. It was unable to brawl because the tank was bad, the rage bonus on missile is poor at best because it put cruise way too damn far to be usable and torps are still bad damage application on any target faster than a POS.

lesson for those that are still convinced the new launcher was a major buff to the game: one uses raven in a same way as a mega with blasters.. only, does higher dmg at anything that`s bigger than a frig. clear enough or still struggling? try tetris first.

What's the range on neuts and smartbombs? shorter than t2 point, right? Who are you killing, other than people that don't know to stay out of neut range?

oh .. so let`s see.. they`ve taken the weapon type that basically would let raven use HALF of the potential dps on it, buffed the dmg of that weapon by 30% (for really slow people.. that`s still worse than torps) and called it a buff? while removing a high slot.. which was normally used to fit a neut or smarty. makes sen...er... :D come back when you`re old enough to buy beer.

if you`re using a disrupt on a bs with short ranged weaponry.. you really shouldn`t have stopped mining that veldspar.

Oh I see, you want to go toe to toe with a real battleship. Good luck with that.

How many painters do you run to be able to get any damage application on those torps? Because it's pretty much only on bombers and golems that they do anything good. The explosion velocity is so large you can be at least partially speed tanked by a dread...

How many painters do you run to be able to get any damage application on those torps? Because it's pretty much only on bombers and golems that they do anything good. The explosion velocity is so large you can be at least partially speed tanked by a dread...

Brawling in a raven. Talk about no using the right ship for the job...

I don't get it.. What is the job of the raven? It can't kite with cruiser missiles...

"The fact is that Caldari ships are used more now in PvP (with the exception of the Drake and the Blackbird) than I have seen since I started playing the game" please.. tell me where exactly did you get THAT fact from ?:D *smells yet another fail"

I don't get it.. What is the job of the raven? It can't kite with cruiser missiles...

how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez

Its almost like the Raven isn't built to go toe to toe with other BS at 0km range. You might need to use a different ship, maybe one thats more suited to blasters and close range combat (Rokh perhaps).

Also you have yet to answer the question as to how you use this in PVP, I presume with a small gang/tackling friend since there is no way to fit a Raven for tackling and tank.

i answered your question already .. you actually even quoted it too:d and still don`t see the answer dude, really?and wtf was that "almost like" :D how about it always was? and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about..

how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez

All that time spent in wormholes has left you out of touch with the game. Devblogs are your friend.

i totally forgot.. we have diff ships in wh`s vs those in Kspace, right?:D i wish.. wouldn`t need to see the best subcap bashboat in this game being nerfed to suit hisec mission runners' needs.
devblogs don`t really help if they`re there to state the obvious, which in this case is: "we`re still going with the notion to remove the last caldari ships from pvp fleets!"

It's because they love Minmatar and hate Caldari. Although lately i think they fallen victims to Amarr. But anyway, why not to kick Caldari ass if such a nice opportunity as expansion presents itself. WHY CCP.

Do you put effort in to being delusional or does it just happen?

and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about..

You say you snipe with torps and claim Large Rails can't snipe?

This thread just gets wierder.

To me it seems like he says he brawl with torps wich makes sense. What is stupid is the very idea of brawling in a raven tho.

happy `bout cruise missile changes? excuse where exactly did i mention PVE RAVEN pilots ? and since WHEN hisec PVE should take upper hand to low,null,wh`s again? happy to cruise missile changes?:D that really sounds more like telling me that they`ve buffed caldari cruiser hulls by raping HMLs and supposedly buffing HAMs :D as i`ve said before already.. this isn`t a FAQ for newcomers..
and if "rebalance" you mean the continuation of the few year old tradition by NERFING caldari yet again, you`re actually right :D though, really SHOULD go check the dictionary.
don`t know wtf you on about? if you really don`t, apply for a job @ CCCP = you`re a perfect recruit.

I know what you mean, but from what hes been saying he says he never fits cruisies he only fits torps, and that Raven is a better sniper than Rokh, which means he has to be sniping.... with torps??

I said nothing about PvE. The Raven is built to be an extreme long range Battleship, look at its bonuses. Like any ship in Eve, if you try to fit/use it in a way that does not favor its bonuses you will be disappointed. Yes, the Odyssey changes make it better at performing that role in a PvP fleet.

I think the real challenge with Caldari is that their two weapon systems, Missile and Hybrid (gunnery), do not share any skills. As a Caldari pilot you are forced to write off half of their fleet until you have good skill for missiles and gunnery. Other races have the same problems, both with weapsons and tank, so you can't really say its unfair.

I said nothing about PvE. The Raven is built to be an extreme long range Battleship, look at its bonuses. Like any ship in Eve, if you try to fit/use it in a way that does not favor its bonuses you will be disappointed. Yes, the Odyssey changes make it better at performing that role in a PvP fleet.

I think the real challenge with Caldari is that their two weapon systems, Missile and Hybrid (gunnery), do not share any skills. As a Caldari pilot you are forced to write off half of their fleet until you have good skill for missiles and gunnery. Other races have the same problems, both with weapsons and tank, so you can't really say its unfair.

Long range missile are still more of a liability in pvp than a bonus. If you truly use thier range, you ca then be probed and warped to. Even if you don't, you still need a close range fleet to keep your enemy on grid or they will just warp away when they see the missiles coming.

Bubbles and/or tackle is pretty good in pvp, or so I hear.

a close range fleet to keep your enemy on grid or they will just warp away

You say you snipe with torps and claim Large Rails can't snipe?
This thread just gets wierder.

I hear those were provided by



but I might be wrong...

Checked OP KB losses. Actually he used both torpedoes and 250mm rails on his Raven.
TIL: POS bashing now actually called as "pro PVP".

Which already works fine with other fleet comps so I don't really see what the difference is here

This thread is amazing! It's somewhat disheartening to look at it though and not be able to tell if he's serious or not.

I too hate it when they nerf something by increasing the damage it can produce.

Try again


Please explain HOW YOU PVP IN A RAVEN


Is this concept too hard for you?


Just because you can't answer it, doesn't make me a troll.

Any good reason why pretty much every single expansion for the last 2-3 years have been sealed with **** of caldari fleet? :Drake, HMLs/tengus, now i see raven got a kick in the nuts too. wtf? raven was the weakest BS in this game for the last like 2 years as it is .. so you decided to work on that and nerf it even more? WHY...? just.. WHY?

You need to look at the new build costs as well.

The new Raven is cheaper to build than the Naga and not a whole lot more than a Ferox. It's the same with the Apoc, Thron and Tempest. Once the market resets these ships will drop well below 100 mill. With the additional minerals in ABC I won't be surprised to see Ravens hit 50 mill.

Really? I thought CCP said they wanted to increase the built costs of the Raven and the scorpion to be on par with the Rokh...

Dear Deborah...

Really? I thought CCP said they wanted to increase the built costs of the Raven and the scorpion to be on par with the Rokh...

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