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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.11.06 00:31:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 06/11/2005 00:32:50
My opinion, which is of course the golden word of god:
- Pirate implants are a dandy reward.
- Pirate battleships are a dandy reward also.
- Pirate battleships rammed to the nipples with priceless gear is going a little overboard.
Folks are gonna be happy if they get something for free either way, but it doesn't have to be something *that* good. As someone who's sent out a goddamn ton of buddy invites, I declare it so.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.06 00:43:00 -
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What's the point of having a EULA if CCP just ignore it when it suits them.
What sort of example does it set?
Here is a list of the things you aren't allowed to do, but if we want to do them selectively for some players we can...
In-game prizes for out-of-game actions = bad (well, if they have value)
If you must give people something, give them a pink "Eris loves me" shuttle which is non-transferable.
Then again, this slow move to "real world" being more able to influence the game is hardly surprising anymore ... the legal loophole allowing buying ISK for cash was clearly the start of something more pervasive.
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.11.06 00:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Avon
What's the point of having a EULA if CCP just ignore it when it suits them.
What sort of example does it set?
Here is a list of the things you aren't allowed to do, but if we want to do them selectively for some players we can...
In-game prizes for out-of-game actions = bad (well, if they have value)
If you must give people something, give them a pink "Eris loves me" shuttle which is non-transferable.
Then again, this slow move to "real world" being more able to influence the game is hardly surprising anymore ... the legal loophole allowing buying ISK for cash was clearly the start of something more pervasive.
(Reluctantly) agrees with Avon.
(Reluctant cause I never argree with Avon :P)
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.11.06 01:00:00 -
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If you feel you have to give the winner something "in game" of immense value then give the winner 1 mil SPs in a skill of their choice. That's not worth isk and not transferable (unless of course the person decides to auction the character) and directly benefits the winner only.
Otherwise, anything that impacts the in game system for OOG activity is bad IMO.
For this type of actions I honestly think that a OOG reward would be more fitting though, i.e. EVE Mug, Poster, T-Shirt, etc..
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.11.06 01:23:00 -
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Worst idea EVER CCP
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infused
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Posted - 2005.11.06 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/11/2005 19:52:40
Originally by: Oveur
There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving the occasional in-game item for out-of-game activity. This has been happening for years in EVE and in other MMO's.
This has got nothing to do with cost, we're simply givin what people what they want most. Sure, I can sign a poster and send it to them, but personally I'd much rather get a Bhaalgorn 
The problem is that you're giving out things worth 5b+ easily (the faction BSs in particular). This means that it becomes "profitable" to start using hoards of alt accounts to claim victory each month.
A Bhaalgorn would actually be fine. The fully-kitted faction uberships, though, are worth a huge amount 
Dude, they actually have to sign up, IE pay money. So the alt idea is non existant.
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General Dahak
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Posted - 2005.11.06 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
What's the point of having a EULA if CCP just ignore it when it suits them.
EULA = End User Licence Agreement.
I repeat in case you don't get it.
End User License Agrement.
One more time.
End USER License Agreement.
We are the users.
This is the rules we as users have to read and understand.
It's CCP's game they can do whatever they want to do.
If someone gets a 5 bil ship it doesent affect me at all.
If this can get more people to play a wonderful game it's a good thing.
People sitting at complexes and farming factionstuff for billions every day doesent affect me at all.
I do my stuff as all others in this game do.
There are pepole sitting on Tech2 BPO's that make billions of isk every day.
Are they selling isk on Ebay?
I don't know.
But i know that they affect this game way beyond some lucky guy that gets a nice ship for recruting new players.
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KentachiSamurai
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Posted - 2005.11.06 02:07:00 -
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I don't post alot, but this is a scary revelation.
I was unhappy with adverts for Fanfest and E-ON at game startup, but ingame rewards for out of game actions really doesn't ring right. 
... as the poster suggested a signed piece of concept art I could appriciate.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.11.06 02:25:00 -
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I think Wanoah totally nailed it on the head tbh.
Everything is allways a very inconsistant message, ive argued these points many times with all levels of moderation in private, and often been vocal on the board.
Often, and this just about relates to every issue ive had with ccp and their suport staff, they fail to see the concequences of their actions, as Wanoah has pointed out.
My view.. i don't, and never will like the concept of anything going into the game the negates the need to earn it in the game, no matter what it's value, it's the principle behind it.
CCPs view judging by ouvers posts seems to be that, these are minimal give aways. We only give one or two away every month in the sea of 70000 odd thousand players.. whats the problem (very laymans terms i know).
It's hard to disagree with that, but people will, mainly id imagine because they shared your dream for the game.
This forum is full of people that scream risk v's reward constantly.. everything earned by grinding your fingers to the bone, when and if your going to do this, what i think is that ideal flys out the window.
It's a quick buck in a way, the idealists you bread will never enjoy that concept.
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2005.11.06 03:06:00 -
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I haven't read this thread fully, and i am drunk atm... but...
a good example of rewarding an Out Of Game effort by a member has alrdy been seen, didn't u reward Zond3 for his efforts and the eve never fades trailer with a nice new PC ?
that's how out of game efforts should be rewarded IMO
ingame efforts should be rewarded with ingame stuff
when i raced my arse off in the collossus race i didn't expect to get a prize of real cash or a new PC
so why should it work the other way round ?
sort it out
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2005.11.06 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving the occasional in-game item for out-of-game activity. This has been happening for years in EVE and in other MMO's.
This has got nothing to do with cost, we're simply givin what people what they want most. Sure, I can sign a poster and send it to them, but personally I'd much rather get a Bhaalgorn
Just because other people do it and have done it for years does not change the fact that it's a very wrong idea.
Effectivly you're letting people BUY in game items with cash, though I'm pretty sure that this is against the EULA.
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Ankanos
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Posted - 2005.11.06 03:35:00 -
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my 2ó
the faction BS is too much. they are very special and require some major
effort to earn and make for some serious, well earned braggin rights.
offering them for just sending out a few emails i feel, diminishes
that a bit..
-how about just a regular BS with the best named Meta's?
imho, faction bs's are far too sweet of an item to get
just for getting people to sign up. the implants and HAC's
are more than enough to make the program appealing..
on slightly more unrelated (personal) slant.. at this point in
the game, i dont even think you should even have what
appears to be a another good way to increase the Eve population
even more.. if only because due to the recent population explosion from
that eve trailer amongst other reasons, you are increasing the player base
far faster than your planned hardware upgrades..
-which causes you to do some really lousy things like *ahem* kill drone fun factor
and versatilty. -due in part because of the current hardware straining
to support 70k+ subs and 17k players logged in..
sometimes i really wish you never hired those *proper* suits for marketing &
accounting..
-but i digress.
-ank
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.11.06 03:41:00 -
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how about just giving out novelty items instead like the opus luxury yatch.. its not like you can actually do anything with it besides taking it out for a spin.
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Punktious
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Posted - 2005.11.06 04:34:00 -
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oh noes, I do not have any friends.... to invite to Eve...
Is is not fair, and that is why nobody is allowed to receive awards and ingame prices..
Comon people, when did you all, get so small ish???
jealous sons of *****es.. :P
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Zoidberg ENB
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Posted - 2005.11.06 04:42:00 -
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Edited by: Zoidberg ENB on 06/11/2005 04:44:06
Originally by: Punktious
oh noes, I do not have any friends.... to invite to Eve...
Is is not fair, and that is why nobody is allowed to receive awards and ingame prices..
Comon people, when did you all, get so small ish???
jealous sons of *****es.. :P
It's not that. The reason people are upset is because having friends is an out of game thing. Please, tell me why something out of game should influence something in game? And most people would probably love a signed poster or t-shirt.
If I got people to buy Monopoly boards, should Hasbro give me free Monopoly money?
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Driven
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Posted - 2005.11.06 04:45:00 -
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Allow me to weigh in:
 In-game prizes given out by CCP for out-of-game actions is unmitigated B.S. I guess because I don't sign up a ton of alts or fly to Iceland, I'm just out of luck.
Don't buy or sell anything in-game for out of game reward. Fine. Thats the rule. OK. Except it isn't is it, whenever they say so. Oh. I see.
To those of us who have complained in this thread I can predict the response: "We regret any inconvenience our arbitrary decision may have caused you. If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to contact us again. We'll do all we can to help".
Poetic justice will be that the guy who wins the faction ship loses it when he CTD's in a complex and can't log back in.
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D'an Y'eal
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Posted - 2005.11.06 05:09:00 -
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Let's clear up a few points:
1. IG rewards for OOG actions is bad.
2. CCP wanting to reward people for participating in the buddy program is good.
3. CCP can "break" their own EULA, but it sets a bad example.
4. People who complain about this are not necesarily "jealous" or affected by this directly, it is the principle of point #1 that get them bothered.
5. Everyone reading this likes EVE and want the best for their game  (sorry the carebear in me had to post that)
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2005.11.06 05:12:00 -
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Edited by: Trevedian on 06/11/2005 05:13:14
Wahhhhhh!
CCP can't win, no matter what they do ppl will whine...
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Zoidberg ENB
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Posted - 2005.11.06 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Edited by: Trevedian on 06/11/2005 05:13:14
Wahhhhhh!
CCP can't win, no matter what they do ppl will whine...
It's not like we're trying to sabotage what otherwise is a good idea. And I haven't see anything but constructive criticism in this thread. I haven't seen much whining at all.
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2005.11.06 06:43:00 -
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I am coming up to 2 years in this game. I have spent my entire time trying to get a foothold, and go down as somewhat of a legend. Whether it be Crazy Pirate (Tank-CEO), Insane Nutjob (Ginger Magician), Suicide Kestrel Squad Leader (Big Doggy) or Industrialist Tycoon (Dr. Scope).
All of these people have created names and reputations for themselves. Some have done it with the use of isk, while others have done so using brains, and tactics. Others have done so with stupidity.
Raffle or not, you are giving a person an opportunity to get a foothold that far exceeds the general population. Imagine a 3 week old wins the prize, sells his gear for 3.5 billion, and buys into t2 bpo's. Within 3 months he is a multi-billionaire. Within 1 year he holds the deeds to the biggest alliance in Eve. Within 2 years, his alliance grows to a size where they conquer all other Alliances, and all 0.0 is owned by the one.
A person with a 3 billion isk boost has the power to mould his cash into a lot more cash. So while this noob gets the 3 billion, and begins his empire from there, us 2 year old players sit back and sigh, while still working our asses off for hours on end.
I dont understand why a complete new ship mould couldnt be designed. IE The winner gets a megathron, except that it has the wings of a raven, and his corp name/logo on it.
Anyway, I have signed up about 4 people to the game since the start time, so if I win the competition, my oath to all of the Eve Forum *****s, is that my Caldari Navy Raven with faction mods will be used to declare war on Concord.
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2005.11.06 06:47:00 -
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And in case it doesnt seem obvious by my last post, I think the R&D lottery system is a joke too. But thats a whole different thread.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2005.11.06 08:08:00 -
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Quote:
...amongst 5-10K tickets...
That's really all I wanted to know Oveur.
Altho I'd hope you're not overreaching here btw. 5-10K new (paying) subs from buddy accounts alone would mean at least 10K new subs per month. 10K new subs per month would have had us over the 70K active subs by now would they not ? I mean, that would have had us well over 70K based on 2005 alone so far...
And here we get to hear that there's about 77K active subs now, of which 25% have been started aroudn release of the game...
It doesn't quite tally up, does it ?
Anyway, aside from your numerical prowess I'd say that having 5K entries into that lottery each month would sufficiently guarantee that it's not being influenced by some nutjob with a wallet. So go ahead, it's still wrong tho, but only based on principle then.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.06 08:35:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 06/11/2005 08:35:35
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
So go ahead, it's still wrong tho, but only based on principle then.
Actually, this is the bit that scares me.
If CCP are willing to compromise their principles (or at least what they have led us to think were their principles) for $$, so long as it only breaks the game a little bit at a time, what's next?
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Heritor
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Posted - 2005.11.06 08:46:00 -
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The rewarding of in game items for out of game achievements is not sometihing I personally like to hear of.
I imagine thats the powers that be and many of the community understand that it will not really have any effect on the in game economy and so not a big problem.
I have introduced many of my friends to this game and most have stopped and love it. The reward for me is chatting and having fun with my buddies...no amount of faction ships will replace that.
I think I can speak for the majority of the comunity when I say you do not need to reward me (although feel free to post me a nice signed piccy) or any other members to promote the game to me and their friends if anything like me its already been done
ps.
I need to find more friends to spread the word 
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2005.11.06 09:33:00 -
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/me chants for more OOG rewards and hopes CCP will hurry up and allow eBay sales too
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2005.11.06 11:23:00 -
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On that note, I hereby open my wallet to 1 million, 100 million, or 500 million isk gifts
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Khatred
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Posted - 2005.11.06 11:32:00 -
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And on a site note I think the best prize for the "buddy thingy" would be Eve Time Cards.
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Olza Harp
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Posted - 2005.11.06 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: Olza Harp on 06/11/2005 12:13:15
Originally by: Oveur
There is absolutely nothing wrong with giving the occasional in-game item for out-of-game activity. This has been happening for years in EVE and in other MMO's.
This has got nothing to do with cost, we're simply givin what people what they want most. Sure, I can sign a poster and send it to them, but personally I'd much rather get a Bhaalgorn
Sry, Oveur - it is wrong.
Yes, you (CCP) are not the first one in this area. Other companies did it already (with dying games!!!)
The next step is to offer all items for money and special accounts with skilling 3 char in parallel and so on?! 
NO. Please don't do it.
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So'Kar
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Posted - 2005.11.06 12:36:00 -
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Overreacting ftl
So once per month there will be another guy with faction battleship? How much does that bother me? none
Just like any other ship it can be lost so are implants lost when you get pod killed. Why would anyone buy multiple account just for the small change to win something like that. These items can be destroyed unlike in other games the reward is usually something permadently and sometimes permadently unbalancing like special skill or ability.
I am sure it will make happy the guy who get the kill mail. Too bad you dont see implants lost too 
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Demetrius Carnigie
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Posted - 2005.11.06 12:42:00 -
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I will only condone this IF i win the battleship.
Make it happen.
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