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Yurito
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:29:00 -
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unless it mines 50mil ore units/minute... that'd be cool :P
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GraveDigger
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:30:00 -
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yicks..The author lost me the sec. he said he turned down 55 million for a mining laser..
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Jorev
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:37:00 -
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How do you know if it was just 1 mining laser?
Statements seem to indicate otherwise.
How do you know this is the first time something like this has happened?
The precedent is the problem which needs to be addressed.
Oh it's just a mining laser, not a weapon that can be used against me? Think again.
Anything that causes an imbalance to increase a person/corps wealth will lead to them being able to build/acquire better weapons/ships faster, which they can then use to control regions and force other players into submission.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:47:00 -
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This is an interesting slant to the story I must say. I had previously been operating on the devchat log account of what happened and come to the conclusion that the laser shouldn't have been in the game. But if Sarruu acquired it in the manner he says (and benefit of the doubt is very much in favour of taking such honesty at face value) then it is a roleplaying event that led to the passing of technology into the game universe.
The only reason taggart got involved was their public rep for having shed-loads of the money and some ethics by the sound of things.
Therefore its a clean action entirely from the perspective of players.
If the GM shouldn't have introduced the item then sure, the chap needs better management in the future. But if it was me running the game I'd stick with what has happened.
A single laser of that type is more interesting from a roleplaying implications and public relations perspective than its abrupt removal would be.
Still that doesn't mean to say I wouldn't advocate a Jovian attack fleet to come to Venal and ask for their laser back with menaces ;)
If anything this matter has demonstrated that knee-jerk opinions and rash accusations are the real problem here. Read the poor old roleplaying forum for heaven's sake! Those threads turned into a bearpit last night ... people threatening to cancel accounts ... accusations of photoshop fraud ... reputations trashed ... toys out of prams ... etc etc ...
A little bit more trust in the integrity of fellow players would not go amiss chaps.
Lets at least wait for the facts in future before calling for lynchings ... if this player community wants to flourish then a little more respect and tolerence is needed ooc ... no matter how fraught and appalling the galactic situation becomes ic.
Rule of thumb ... count to 60 before posting anything inspired by angry lunatic thoughts ... and for the love of heaven please stop spamming the ic forum with ooc comment ... clearly the general discussion is the place for this.
Love and peace.
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Fang
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:52:00 -
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If the story is true , then its a good way to introduce new technologies in to the game.
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Fang
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: StealthNet on 07/08/2003 11:58:54
My *first* thought about this laser was exactly that, that it would be part of a RP story.
But it quickly faded when I read the CSM. SO, according to the original poster, there is a laser, AND OTHER ITEMS. I wonder what they would be. A lvl5 power diag ? A shield booster ? A Weapon upgrade ?
I REALLY hope that this guy is lying, because if his story is true, then the devs are as clueless as me hehehe
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annoing
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:02:00 -
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Regardless of how it happened, who it happened to and where it happened, one point is clear:
IT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED
Releasing LVL5 tech before we even have LVL2 is a pathetic joke.
Talk about 'balancing' from the Dev's and Pann should be met with a laugh from now on.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:13:00 -
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Regardless of how it happened, who it happened to and where it happened, one point is clear: IT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED
Releasing LVL5 tech before we even have LVL2 is a pathetic joke.
I disagree ... lone items of hightechnology manufacture are the stuff of interesting scifi. Genre films and novels are rife with whole lostech theme.
The key here is the super rare nature.
As long as these are single items with no ability to be replicated or mass produced then its not really a matter of game balance.
If it was a blueprint for a tech 5 item then hell yes, it would be a hideous gaff.
But there is a huge difference between 1 item and thousands.
Even a weapon would be potentially interesting I think ... if known pirate lunatic scored a lev 5 tech railgun from a jovian for example .. yes, the first reaction would be fear, then maybe jealously .. but then, very quickly after it would be the desire for acquisition and the thrill of the chase.
Characters would kill for possession of such a thing, and it would make for an interesting dynamic as megacorps bid hugely for bountry hunters to earn their finders fee.
But ultimately do remember .. as long as its not a blueprint it is super rare and effectively irrelevent in overall galactic balance of power.
Love and peace
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:15:00 -
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I find myself agreeing with you Jade.
Don't worry, this isn't the start of a trend ;)
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:21:00 -
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Ok just ignore the game wrecking 'ITS OK TO GET UNFAIR ADVATAGES AS LONG AS ITS ROLEPLAY' monkies for just a few seconds and look at the facts..
This guy (saruu) says he got it from a roleplaying gm/dev playing a jove.
Devs say it came from a ship that players werent supposed to have that had it as default equipment.
Whilst both stories COULD fit together its highly unlikely that they do..
So SOMEONE is fibbing either gms/devs or saruu..
The plot thickens...
Stav
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:25:00 -
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Well, you're right, you're not very business like. What CCP was trying to do, I think, is give the smaller people an opportunity at a piece of the pie. You could have possibly been the only manufacturer of this laser if reverse engineering worked, and in time, it should. Instead, you turn around and sell it to the largest corp in the game, further imbalancing economic power in Eve. What you did was stupid and impulsive, you saw small immediate gain rather than large gradual gain.
If anyone else finds one of a kind stuff like this, please don't pawn originals off on super-corps.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:29:00 -
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Ok just ignore the game wrecking 'ITS OK TO GET UNFAIR ADVATAGES AS LONG AS ITS ROLEPLAY' monkies for just a few seconds and look at the facts..
Pish and tish! You are talking nonsense! The item entered the gameworld ... it got sold to a corp with the money to buy it. That is a clear game transaction for hard isk. No different from me selling a rare beam to the highest bidder. Its disingenuous to blame this on a cosy roleplaying stitch-up, and silly to believe that the people who roleplay stuff are not every bit as competitive players of the game as those who do not.
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So SOMEONE is fibbing either gms/devs or saruu..
Or there is confusion amongst the people involved ... lets try the benefit of the doubt and see what comes out maybe ?
Honestly ... all this knee-jerk think the worst of fellow players and gm's stuff is a bit tragic.
Love and peace
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:33:00 -
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Look as the devs have already stated that laser was NOT supposed to be in game. So just cut the 'super corp' and roleplay carp and admit that what you did was wrong. You might not have known about it (YEAH) but it was wrong, so stop trying to justify it and makeout like it was some AMAZING GREAT idea.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:34:00 -
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"A single laser of that type is more interesting from a roleplaying implications and public relations perspective than its abrupt removal would be."
Interesting as a highly advanced oddity, yes; safe to have in the game universe only as long as the reverse engineering skill isn't implemented, though....
"Those threads turned into a bearpit last night (..) accusations of photoshop fraud ..."
*sighs* Being the photoshop comment came from me, i apologize if it came through as the accusation. 'tis was not the intention, simply because i don't consider adding a retouched picture to RP thread an 'offense' one could be charged with... hardly different from those pictures people carry around in their sigs, with battleships sporting company logos while the game mechanics don't allow it (yet) *shrugs*
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:35:00 -
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Jade, someone is lying, read the dev chat log then read this thread's first post.
Oh, when can I expect you to make a formal apology for me being podded by the aliance you speak for ?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:38:00 -
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"Jade, someone is lying, read the dev chat log then read this thread's first post."
... or the dev chat and this thread's first post refer to two completely unconnected events.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:42:00 -
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... or the dev chat and this thread's first post refer to two completely unconnected events.
If that is the case...then what else is out there and why isn't it announced that you could be approached by roleplaying GM's bearing gifts ?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/08/2003 12:50:09
[To Stavros]
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Look as the devs have already stated that laser was NOT supposed to be in game. So just cut the 'super corp' and roleplay carp and admit that what you did was wrong.
It's not as simple as that clearly ... if the chaps account is true about the finding then I can't see any fault on the part of players. And as for witchhunts m'dear, glass houses perchance?
Re roleplay carp (i assume you mean crap .. but in-character ornamental fish would be more amusing) whatever, you don't like it fine, but don't count on the back-to-basics hardcore gamey tough-oop-north gruffness of raw powergaming being any more valid for the purposes of debate ... takes all sorts ...
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You might not have known about it (YEAH)
Call me a liar m'dear and I may have to get a little more robust in my opinions and language.
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... but it was wrong, so stop trying to justify it and makeout like it was some AMAZING GREAT idea.
I don't think that is what I am doing ... if you see the other thread I authored you will see I was pretty frank in admission of mistake (on the understanding it was a laser that wasn't supposed to be in the gameworld)
Now though we have this chat claiming it was introduced via a roleplayed discussion with "jovian" gm character.
That leaves things open to question.
You would have been wise to consider the facts from a few more angles yourself m'dear before knee-jerking the "if this stands I quit and cancel" response last night.
That hardly made you come across as an objective observer dear Stavros.
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:48:00 -
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Jade, someone is lying, read the dev chat log then read this thread's first post.
I believe there is room for confusion and muddied perspectives and it would be wise to not force a conclusion as yet. Maybe someone lied, maybe someone didn't understand the facts ... hell, is it so difficult to be a little bit charitable in the expectation ?
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Oh, when can I expect you to make a formal apology for me being podded by the aliance you speak for ?
Raise a question with the facts of the circumstance in RP forum ... and I investigate and give a response.
Love and peace
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:48:00 -
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I think that this argument is getting beyond boring. Yes the Devs need to explain themselves, and until they do, we all need to shut up and stop blaming the players who took advantage of the situation - lets face it, we'd have all done the same.
This board stinks of hypocrisy
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Elusion Salvage
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:52:00 -
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Dont you love the smell of greed in the afternoon. The feeling you have left out as person altho there are playing arround 15.000 persons.
Let us all be angry at CCP couse we did not recieved our lollypop.
Even the so called "roleplayer" drops his act couse he feels unjustice has been done to him.
People, push your head in a buggle of water and freshen up yourselfs. Take a look outside towards the nice sun that is shining out there.
Its a Game..
Games you play in your free time.. its not a dayjob.
Greets,
Elusion Salvage.
(Flame away)
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:55:00 -
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"If that is the case...then what else is out there and why isn't it announced that you could be approached by roleplaying GM's bearing gifts ?"
*coughs* well, i only know of someone who got in possesion of a Chaos frigate through an RP event.. ( before anyone get excited, Chaos is low-level pirate vessel and essentially a piece of Minmatar junk :s ) There might well be more...
As for why isn't it announced... honestly, why should it be? CCP might be relying on the word of mouth about such events spreading through community, rather than official "So-and-so just got a new gadget.... go get them, folks >P" type of announcements. Note how this single laser thing made the news despite lack of participation from the Devs... ;s
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:56:00 -
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this is NOT about rp AT ALL, i couldnt care less if you rp a giant intergalactic space chicken.
I do not mind rpers but I am not interested in playing that way. I simply want a decent objective answer on this NONE rp forum as to where the items came from and what will be done about removing them.
Simple really..
And jade you can PR all you want at the end of the day your opinions are you own and only shared by a very few others (mainly in tti) most people have the good sense to know that this affair stinks and no amount of verbal forum wrangling is going to alter that.
Stavros
Who is awaiting offcial response.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:57:00 -
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Raise a question with the facts of the circumstance in RP forum ... and I investigate and give a response.
Last post in this thread.
No questions needed, I was just flying around for my agent and BAM 2 battleships of your alliance wasted me, got a screenshot at home if you don't believe me.
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Freddy Krueger
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:02:00 -
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Lets get this matter cleared up for once and for all. The original post by Saruu is a correct a/c of what transpired. We were thinking of blowing the ship up as we had many cruisers docked in the nearby station fully armed and ready for action as usual. But, as I was returning from a mining run in an indi full of Bistot, I decided to call a halt to the festivities and let the course of events take fold. In retrospect, I think it was a good decision as we managed to gain some interesting tech without bloodshed and perhaps peeve off the good old Jovians.
Now, you either believe our a/c, or you believe what the devs are telling you, and that we did indeed blow to pieces said ship. I really do not care either way, but logic would dictate that our a/c is the correct one, simply as we have come forward with the details of what transpired. I personnally, and I know Saruu agrees, would of preffered to stay in the background as usual and not in the general populaces face. We only offer this a/c of how it happened, so as to stop all you moaning gits from slagging of a magacorp known as TTI. Have a nice day.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:03:00 -
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As for why isn't it announced... honestly, why should it be? CCP might be relying on the word of mouth about such events spreading through community, rather than official "So-and-so just got a new gadget.... go get them, folks >P" type of announcements. Note how this single laser thing made the news despite lack of participation from the Devs... ;s
Offcourse they shouldn't go as far as "Person X just got contacted by Jovian agent Y and was given a Blah module". Least they could announce was something like "The past few days Jovians have been spotted..." or whatever.
I for one would think twice before accepting anything from a "GM" before it's officially announced that GM's are rampaging the EVE-verse bearing gifts on unsuspecting travellers...but I allready wrote that a few posts up.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:12:00 -
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No questions needed, I was just flying around for my agent and BAM 2 battleships of your alliance wasted me, got a screenshot at home if you don't believe me.
On the contrary, a question is needed if you want a response from me with my VA public relations hat on. In this ooc forum I'm me! Not currently doing PR for Venal.
If you want to roleplay it out ask in the roleplay forum,
If you just want to ***** about losing a ship, then I have to say as one player to another ... these things happen.
Love and peace
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:16:00 -
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No questions needed, I was just flying around for my agent and BAM 2 battleships of your alliance wasted me, got a screenshot at home if you don't believe me.
On the contrary, a question is needed if you want a response from me with my VA public relations hat on. In this ooc forum I'm me! Not currently doing PR for Venal.
If you want to roleplay it out ask in the roleplay forum,
If you just want to ***** about losing a ship, then I have to say as one player to another ... these things happen.
Love and peace
No, I don't want to ***** about my losing a ship, I want to know why I wasn't asked to buy a passage. But let's leave this thread to the mysterious player versus GM story.
I will concoct a RP thingy.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:21:00 -
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[Stavros wrote]
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I do not mind rpers but I am not interested in playing that way. I simply want a decent objective answer on this NONE rp forum as to where the items came from and what will be done about removing them.
Entirely fair .... to a point .. but then you end on the prejudgement that such a thing needs removing ... maybe it does, but according to the account at the beginning of this thread ... maybe it doesn't ... the point about waiting for an objective response and sensible descision is that you actually wait for the outcome .. rather than announcing the prefered verdict in advance m'dear.
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And jade you can PR all you want at the end of the day your opinions are you own and only shared by a very few others (mainly in tti)
Good lord mate! thats a sweeping generalisation ... who declared the "most people love me" **** measuring competition? Psssshawww .. thats a bit a desparate call to the gallery you must admit.
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... most people have the good sense to know that this affair stinks and no amount of verbal forum wrangling is going to alter that.
I simply don't know that it does, or that it actually looks that way ... if the chap who authored this thread is telling the truth (and as yet i have seen absolutely no reason to doubt that) then nothing stinks at all from the player perspective.
From my point of view the only thank stinks at all is the kneejerk holier-than-thou hypocrisy from some quarters.
If you chose to wait for official word then excellent .. I applaud your good sense, but while waiting you might consider holding fire on the murky accusations and slander perchance?
Just a suggestion dear chap.
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:25:00 -
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No, I don't want to ***** about my losing a ship, I want to know why I wasn't asked to buy a passage. But let's leave this thread to the mysterious player versus GM story.
Agreed, but do ask in the roleplaying forum if you would like to know why. I will be happy to respond to the question there.
Love and peace
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