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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:31:00 -
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This is about Roleplay almost everyone wants it except for people like Starvos.
Just look the real face of mOo comes out. As soon as he heard the news look at his first few post he made on them. Even on the Roleplaying forum itselve all he wanted was his greedy hands on it. Not interested in anything else, and not even considerate about the time it took to comeup and write those stories. He acted like a complete ass.
I think that new items should be released first to people who proticipate in events and after awhile become availible to those not roleplaying. After all what kind of game is it? A what?? A RPG right and what does that stand for - Role Playing Game. Why don't you people go play some first person shooter if you don't want to roleplay for stuff. Otherwise wait.
Is that the representation that mOo wants to sound like that? There willing to experiment for the best weapon setup weither its an exploit or not. But they cry when it is required to roleplay for something.
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JimmySav
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:32:00 -
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How the heck is ONE laser ( or even 2 3 or 4) gonna be "Game wrecking" or "unbalancing"!!!
Its ludicrous! it allows more scope for espionage, stealing and downright murder to get the items. Even a powerful weapon would be little use against a determined bunch looking to take it off a smoking wreck.....
It all adds to the game.
If people dont like the fact someone else has it, go and kill them, and destroy the item!
Its EVE here! take justice into your own hands!
PS any BPs for stuff like this WOULD be totally ridiculous tho........
Jim'll Fix it For You. ( and you and you!)
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:33:00 -
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OOC: Pardon this but the only way I can make my point is out of character. WAKE UP this is a game just a game so calm down. I know some people think the whole laser thing was a chance for some people to have an unfair advantage. Guess what the whole game is unfair the smarter( Stavros, Morkt) people do better than the stupid ones. The more charismatic ones( Jade, Jos0phine) do better than people who can't defend themselves verbally. " It's not fair" The carebear war cry. It happened, it's done, move on.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:33:00 -
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Personally i would just like to see an clear statement from CCP on this.
Paying customers say they got it from a dev direct in "Jove roleplay" - the Devs say this is not true in the CSM.
Clearly something is amiss and the whole affair stinks.
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ROFL
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:43:00 -
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Miso:  Quote:
I think that this argument is getting beyond boring.
Yes, and you keep reading it. Not only reading it, though, but replying as well, making your final comment very fitting, and inclusive for yourself.
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This board stinks of hypocrisy
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:50:00 -
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Guess what the whole game is unfair the smarter( Stavros, Morkt)
Smarter!!! These people posting, even on the roleplaying forum acted like my 3yr old son that just saw a toy commercal and screeming gimme! gimme! Want it now!.
I here them always say to carebears. "It says PvP on the box when you bought it so stop complaining". Well, it also says Roleplaying on the box.
They want to take all the content out of the game. Might as well Change all the Races to Race 1, Race 2 ect... and all the Planets to number ones. This game is suppose to be different then games like those.
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:50:00 -
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The rp stories were fun around this laser and that is it. Other then that it is one mining laser and nother more. Big deal that it equals what....5 regulars? Makes me quake in my boots.
Jovian technology will infiltrate the game. It is in all the story lines about them, especially with the caldari. I would not be suprised in some GMs rp'd as Jovians and started/did release some very high tech items into the game very slowly in in super small numbers.
THIS WOULD BE ADDING CONTENT AFTER ALL RIGHT????
What better then to have real rp players (GMs) interacting then stupid npc generated events.
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Gan Howorth
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:56:00 -
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There is nothing wrong with this incident. Someone somewhere is probably covering their ass as they may well have acted without the go ahead of the dev team as a whole (i.e. over excited GM).
So what, its great to think that there's something 'out there' and it could happen to you. Oh sorry, we all want everything to be the same shade of concrete cos least that way its fair?
On another note, the guy who obtained it so should have kept hold of it. Reverse engineering is only round the corner and it would so have been worth the risk destroying it to make a BP. Selling to TTI was a bit pointless, may well have got a better deal from any other medium corp tbh.
Anyway, it livened the forum up a bit, most content this game has seen since release.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:01:00 -
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What better then to have real rp players (GMs) interacting then stupid npc generated events.
because its suicidal for any GM?DEV/MOG to do that...people will just scream favouritism every time and you will lose customers over it.
And what do you think would now happen if they DID RP it into the game in such a manner? After all this with the players who were "RP-d too" being put out as liers?
Those who can't see the fundamental issue BEHIND the item itself need not reply to the thread.
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They want to take all the content out of the game
Kalhan wth are you going on about?
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:03:00 -
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Well, it also says Roleplaying on the box.
Maybe you should did up that box again and have a little read.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:04:00 -
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hey where are the dev logs anyway? does anyone have a link to this topic as discussed by CCP?
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:18:00 -
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hey where are the dev logs anyway? does anyone have a link to this topic as discussed by CCP?
The log in question is hosted right here, on the evegate website.
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Cymoril
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:21:00 -
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I here them always say to carebears. "It says PvP on the box when you bought it so stop complaining". Well, it also says Roleplaying on the box.
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Ragnar
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ragnar on 07/08/2003 14:35:58
As CEO of Taggart (TTI), these are my first public OOC statements on the matter.
What Saruu said in his original post is entirely true.
Taggart bases its reputation on being solid and reputable businessmen. Yes we may be a so-called ômegacorpö, but our rising tide raises all the corps that conduct business with us. We have a symbiotic relationship with countless other good corps in EVE. A majority of the ones you see deriding us in public have many private deals already in place with us.
It seemed PERFECTLY plausible to me that GMs were out there doing ômini-eventsö, having role-playing sessions in deep space, slowly distributing unique Jovian items here or there. This matches with the ômysteriousö Jovian theme the gameÆs RP is based on, and a slow introduction of this race into the gameÆs culture is expected. Furthermore, it is natural economic sense how the best items end up in the wealthiest corps. (As someone in another thread correctly posted: There is a reason the finest Alaskan Salmon ends up in New York City 24 hours later.)
I found Saruu to be a wonderfully nice guy and an excellent role-player. In fact, most of my dealings with him in game were all very well role-played, as we discussed the nature of the Jovians and this strange encounter we had. Sure, he could have made up this elaborate story to ôtrickö me into buying a hacked item or whatever, but, again, the idea the GMs were out there introducing a few Jovian items made perfectly good sense.
Every game has unique items here or there. Not enough to completely unbalance the game, but a few. Naturally we were gonna try to reverse engineer the thing, but I assume that when Rev Eng comes into the game that certain items have a very low likelihood of being reverse engineered.
It also seemed reasonable to me that CCP wanted the Jovians and mysterious encounters to be discussed in a public forum, to add to the role-playing depth and the technological future of the game. In that belief, I worked on a few stories (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=23341) about the incident in a pure role-playing manner for the intergalactic summit. I even included a picture of the Jovian ôt0rfifransö (btw, itÆs a shame Jovians have to use numbers in their names like late 1990Æs l33t Quake players) that Saruu emailed me to enhance the story I wrote. I have been accused of ôname droppingö, which is completely absurd because, to me, if a Jovian appears in game to hand out items and introduce the race, they can expect their name to become well known. You better believe the first alien that lands on Earth will have his name pretty well known, even if it can only be properly annunciated by dolphins. I didnÆt claim to be sitting at Starbucks having iced frappucinos with T0rfifrans every evening, I just simply included him in the story for the benefit of the role-playing community that was interested in this mysterious race, as this may have very well been ôfirst contactö, and Saruu had every reason to be excited by the prospect.
So the usual cast of idiots and Taggart haters came out and called us cheaters and photoshoppers and exploiters then paraded around their cause du jour, only to be proven completely wrong less than 12 hours later by both CCP and Saruu. Yes, the story of Ragnar/Saruu conflicts with the story by CCP, and I am sure it will be settled at some point. Both stories certainly agree that that was no cheating, photoshopping, exploiting, or favors from people affiliated with CCP. With that salient fact, all you forum trolls with no life can go back to your Taggart-hating meditation pods and invent some other nonsensical reason to hate us now.
Thank you again to Jade Constantine who has worked tirelessly with me in this matter to conduct herself in a professional and role-playing manner. I also thank the Venal Alliance and the few other supporters we had that new all along that Taggart was above reproach in the matter.
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Taggart Transdimensional, Inc.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 07/08/2003 14:26:03
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Those who can't see the fundamental issue BEHIND the item itself need not reply to the thread.
What fundamental issue is that?
That it is unfair?
Because I don't see you guys saying anything else. The only reason I see you trying to say its a scam or untrue or These guys are lieing is becuase you don't have the item yourself.
What I'm talking about is... Look go to the roleplaying board and look at the first posts after the long article.
What I am asking is.... What if the only way you could be the first to access these items would be though Roleplaying?? I know what Stavos would say.
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Ok i dont care about roleplay and i dont care about stupid jove tech.
I want to know from some offcial source (ie non roleplaying fool) where it came from and how they got hold of level 5 tech items.
This stinks and you guys are total idiots for posting this.
It seems he and some otheres would throw a fit and threaten to leave or something if you had to roleplay for those things.
At the top of the box and all over it, it says MMORPG or Massive Multiplayer Online Role playing Game. If you havn't seen it then you are looking at the wrong box. And what do you do in any Roleplaying game????
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Yalson
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:25:00 -
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copied over from the locked thread
Frankly, I was pretty sure the miner was meant to be in the game. It's something I would have expected to encounter long ago - caches at abandoned stations, lone explorers stumbling into single, unique items.
As long as such items cannot be reverse engineered or produced in any way I do not see any harm in spreading a small number of artifacts. If anything, it adds to the excitement of exploration. And being a RP person myself I certainly liked the story around this one a lot.
Unfortunately, in this case circumstances seem to be a bit different. Still, I am somewhat surprised by the public reaction - we all have been asking for content and that would have been one example of it. Note that the miner wasn't given to TTI directly, but someone else obtained it - otherwise I'd be a worried about favorism taking place.
But half of the players assuming this to be a blatant lie? Maybe it's just been the vocal minority, but still I was hoping for a more relaxed environment than this.
Anyhow, let's find a RP conclusion to the releases posted so far, I'd hate simply removing them. Still a good read, imo.
Cheers, Yalson
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Endyl
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:28:00 -
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Anyway RPG or not... I don't see the point...
I am not much a roleplayer myself, I am more in the number crunching category, but does it change your life ?... I hope not.
I do love roleplayers, they make my little virtual world more real.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 07/08/2003 14:29:59
The moment content or the idea that it maybe content comes in others have to try to ruin it.
It may not say PvP directly on the box but it definently says roleplaying on it. Look on the front right above the big letters E V E.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:44:00 -
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Well, I found all these thread as I came to work and read them all before coming to the wrong conclusion. I'm all for Roleplaying items in the game and I urge you to read my first posting. Something does not add up, the players say it was roleplayed in the game and the Dev's state it was a freak accident which never should have happened.
I just want to see that cleared up, was it introduced on purpose by the Dev team as Saruu wrote or was it introduced by accident as the Dev log claims.
And about the box, ummm, no RPG on the box, sorry. EveBox
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JimmySav
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:49:00 -
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All role-playing adds to the richness of the EVE universe...unique items add to the richness of the EVE universe.
Whats the downside? (apart from the masses of crying) I mean is the world 'Balanced' or do some countries have higher resource levels/tech levels/education levels than others?
EVE is trying to make a realistic and fun galaxy and this seems to just add to it.....
Jim'll Fix it For You. ( and you and you!)
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Swifthand
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:52:00 -
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Gezzz get a grip ppl, some of you would complain about anything.
Next thing you know your going to try and demand that my jovian battle cruser (that I won fair and square in a poker game at the new caldari pleasure dome) be taken away just because you dont have one.
 Oh can anyone that has a jove frig and jove cruser skill kit please contact me.
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Mission
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:53:00 -
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I smell a rat.
The first post sounds true. But, i already told you the events what happened with the Nibelung that i know of.
There MUST BE MORE THAN 1 OUTTHERE ... infact, "the one" that i know of is still on the test server on one of the characters.
Also... if the 1st post is true and someone was given one of these lazers... why on earth was they given the BEST mining lazer ever to be n the game... A miner 2or3 would have been good enough at this time.
Something dodgy really is happeneing here... i first thought everyone was just arguing for no reason.
Conspiracy definetaly.
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Gan Howorth
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:04:00 -
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Thats it Mission poke the thread zombie corpse one more time, perhaps its not dead yet and may still "RRR-ARG" and lunge for your throat one more time...
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Tool
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:11:00 -
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Well GD, if the items are in game, more power to the people that have'em. If they want to sell them to their fairy Godmothers who tf are you to question their actions? To keep these controversial items rare all they need to do is flag them to prevent reverse engineering, and then you can have the skill and the rare items in game live harmoniously side by side. As it is this game is anemic on content already, whatÆs wrong with a little high tech every now and then to spice this bore fest up?
On the flip side; If CCP goes around putting carrots in front of peoples faces just to have them yanked away, then FU CCP. I donÆt see what harm 1 or even 10 of those lasers would do in a game with so many people. 
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 07/08/2003 15:16:15
hmmmm I don't have the Box here at work. But I know it says RPG somewhere on it. but othere then that.
Look here
What does it say on the 3rd paragraph. MMORPG right? and under what catagory of game type do you find this online game?
Do you see it on the same game type list as Doom?
Is it in the same list as Madden 2003?
Just what type of game is it? An RPG you say?
What do you do in a RPG? Could we get a Dev responce to this. I thought this game is an RPG. Maybe I am wrong.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:15:00 -
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This is just another proof that drugs have been introduced in the game.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:23:00 -
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Secondly I had thought that the mOo was a Corp that added flavor to the game the same way RP Content does. I would seriously would like to know if they have the same view as there member Starvos. I thought they were something different - playing the part of a pirate not just doing it cause they feel like it and they stood up for there profession and how hard it is to be a pirate. Then Starvos makes a comment like.....
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Ok i dont care about roleplay and i dont care about stupid jove tech.
I want to know from some offcial source (ie non roleplaying fool) where it came from and how they got hold of level 5 tech items.
This stinks and you guys are total idiots for posting this.
Stav
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Tool
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:23:00 -
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This is just another proof that drugs have been introduced in the game.
I wouldn't be surprised if some people here were high while they post, and/or play for that fact.
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Iminay
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:26:00 -
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this all comes down to 2 groups.
Group A: Is jelous cause they dont have it and cry Abuse, Uneven, Unfair.
Group B: Doesnt realy care, cares more about building up the role playing value of the community, and actualy likes rare items to be introduced like these.
Read every post in this thread and aply A or B
that way you know who to ignore from now on.
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Klydor
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:33:00 -
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you forgot group c:
Those who beleive the item doesn't exist and is just a carefully planned hoax
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