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Beckull
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Posted - 2003.08.07 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: Saruu on 07/08/2003 08:30:36
I would like to make a statement about the mining laser everyone is talking about.
I am the one that found it, I am the one that sold it to TTI. I will also have to state that this message is written by my main character, the character which was involved with this event.
The story about how my character found this laser is true. A Jovian character interacted with me. I am used to roleplaying and had a nice conversation with the Jovian. I offered my services and was turned down. No problem I thought, he is just looking around and has no time to get further into the story. He flew up next to me, bumped me even with his Wraith as we continued roleplaying.
After he left, I returned to the station with about 400 Hedge. I couldn't mine anymore as I was very excited about meeting an actual Jovian. After sitting there about 3 minutes, the Jovian contacted me again. He said "I've left a cargo container outside the station for you." I pulled out quickly and looked inside the container. There lay the infamous laser along with several other items yet to be disclosed.
At first I didn't know the value of the laser. All I knew was that it was a very good mining laser. When I checked the Nexus database, I discovered that I had a very very very good mining laser. I still had no idea what to do with it, or how much it might be worth.
I was mining far away from station and could not check on the laser for several days. You see I had it in a secure container inside my hanger. In retrospect, I wish I had not done that as I was very anxious to check on it, I didn't know it would not be listed under assets while in a container. Live and learn.
After returning to my hanger after 3 days, I found the laser still there. I made my desision then to contact one of the largest, most well known corp, to try and make a deal. I contacted TTI because I figured, if anyone can give me what I want, these guys can. I spoke with the CEO of TTI who was very nice, and offered me 55 million isk. I told him "I'm not really interested in the money" and we agreed upon an alternative arrangement. The deal was aggreed on and I quickly thought I had sold too cheap. I'm not a very good business man, I barely scrape by in this game. Anyway, the deal was done.
Myself and my CEO flew to a nice safe system and the trade was completed. I have to say, I was nervous as hell flying there. I've never had any dealings with TTI and was not sure if this was a trap. If was not of course, the deal was completed in a very business-like manner.
That is my story, believe it or not.
I'd like to say that TTI has been very upstanding by not releasing my name, I have enough problems right now with the system I'm in. They respected my wishes and I appreciate that.
I didn't want any notoriety and still don't. All I wanted was something that would help me in the game. I didn't even think of filing a petition about it, or various other things that have been suggested. Afterall, I was GIVEN this item by a Jovian. I had no idea who he was or why he gave the items to me. I would like to think I it was because I'm a good role player, but unfortunately I have friends in a different game who would laugh at that, but I try.
I would also like to state that removing this item is wrong, if that is what has happened. TTI was in no way at fault here, nor was I. I made the deal in good faith, as did TTI. But, if the item was removed from TTI, It should be returned, or CCP should refund TTI the cost of the deal they made with me. That is my opinion.
Thank you Ragnar and all of the members of TTI that knew what was going on. I appreciate your honor and integrity.
In closing, I would like to ask everyone who might read this: "What would you have done?"
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2003.08.07 08:26:00 -
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This would never have happened if Campion was still running around - *****ing whips and pulling strings ...
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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WolfA4
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Posted - 2003.08.07 08:28:00 -
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I would have kept everything for my self and used them.
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Freddy Krueger
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Posted - 2003.08.07 08:34:00 -
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All of what you have read in the above statement by Saruu is correct. I am CEO of the said corporation that Saruu is a director of. After waiting for two days, to make sure that the said laser would not be removed as a one day wonder, Saruu approached probably the only corp that could fully utilise said equipment, plus of course pay the finders fee that we required !!
Both Saruu and TTI have acted in a manner that you would expect from men of honour. All of the griefers out there that are critising TTI for their actions in this are simply looking at the small picture. Would you all prefer that new exciting equipment simply magically appears on the markets in the various regions; or like myself and fellow members, would you like a good dollop of roleplay with your breakfast.The thought of all new exotic equipment simply appearing out of nowhere onto the various markets would not be correct.
I hope both my post and Saruus' clear this matter once and for all. Make no bones about this, TTI acted in good faith and has done nothing wrong, apart from not paying us enough !! Have a nice day.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.08.07 08:35:00 -
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I think ppl are also interested in the name of that Jovian
This is not a hijack
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syndic4te
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Posted - 2003.08.07 08:36:00 -
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i would of tried to trade it for a raven bp
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.07 08:47:00 -
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Something is really wrong with this picture.
You claim you were contacted by a role playing GM, yet the Dev chat log has a GM or developer stating it was accidently lost when a GM ship blew up.
In my opinion this can only be settled by a representative of CCP and disclosing logs which show what really happened.
You claiming that you were contacted by a role playing GM is not doing the reputation of the Game Masters employed by CCP any good, either you are lying or CCP is lying, that is what it boils down to. The 2 stories don't match and it's obvious that a huge part of the community is angry about this unfortunate incident.
To answer your question "What would I have done ?":
I would first check the events forum on this "official" website looking for possible clues to Jovians spreading high tech equipment.
Then I would check the missions forum to see if anybody else ever encountered such a item or person contacting them.
If those 2 forums would not give me enough piece of mind to just accept and use or sell the item in game then I would do a petition to get some answers about the validity of this person contacting me with high tech items.
Sadly all these rumours and discussions and conflicting stories did alot of damage to the reputation of both TTi and the people working at CCP in Iceland and I hope this will not damage the community too much.
CCP's GM's allready have a bad reputation for a stunt they pulled some time ago by warping MoO to the other end of EVE while they had no defensive measures on their ships and there's offcourse the incident of GM's attacking MoO in Battleships.
To the best of my memory, CCP never made a statement about those incidents and that costs them alot of credit with their customers. I am all for roleplay gaming but if it's done by official staff, with all the tech levels at their disposal by simply pressing a button like "Spawn Jovian Battleship with a dozen tech level 5 lasers" then there has to be an explanation of why they did that.
CCP has to come forward to clear this up and show, through logs, what really happened or alot of people will remain upset and will only grow more frustrated with EVE, their developers and their support staff.
That's my view on it, people are upset and will only get more upset if the 2 stories don't match and, sad as it is, people do quit games because of incidents such as this one.
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.08.07 08:50:00 -
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Interesting story.
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syndic4te
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Posted - 2003.08.07 08:50:00 -
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The Tech 5 mining laser was indeed his, he sold it to tti...
Saruu isnt the only person that got a hold of that laser . . .
preety sure TTi will confirm with pubicly, no reason for saruu to post and lie.
soon enuff everything will be revealed
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.08.07 08:53:00 -
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*yawns*
It was a mining laser, not a uber-gun. Can we move on please? lets bury this story now.
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Endyl
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Posted - 2003.08.07 08:59:00 -
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Edited by: Endyl on 07/08/2003 09:02:00
On the other side, I would be curious to know how people want to see new technologies introduced into the game.
I was not in the complaining bunch against what happened for the simple reason I tought it was nearly normal (even if a tech level 2 mining laser would be far enough as a first shot, jumping direct to tech level 5 seemed a bit overboard), they are the most successfull corp at this time, and I am used to EQ where the most powerfull guild where discovering everything before everyone else, I am used on reading on the boards people accusing Verant of helping Furor/Tigole to complete the high end quests (the reality is that they where HELPING TO DEBUG the clumsy quests) and that's more or less the way it should be.
It's opportunism, you meet a Jovian ship, you roleplay with him, and finally you find a ship carcass floating in space, ooh nice some mega uber mining lasers in them, then why not ? That could have happened to YOU.
Jade & Raghnar even made some very nice RP stories around it, dunno how you could see it happening a better way, they could have just writen "Yada we ownz0r your a$$ n0w we got the Ub@h m1ning lazerz0r", or just write nothing and get advantages from it, but no, they didn't ignore the community, they wrote a nice RP story, and for this I respect whatever the outcome will be.
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Jorev
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Posted - 2003.08.07 09:01:00 -
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If this story about the Jove encounter is true, as both CCP and the players involved have stated, then it is clearly the CCP employees fault that roleplayed the Jove, if they were acting on their own as implied by the dev chats.
Both the general playerbase and CCP seem to agree that a tech 5 item should not be handed out when tech 2 items have not even been fully implemented.
It would be beneficial for setting the Eve community to rest, to know who the CCP employee was, and what the consequences of their renegade actions will be, if any, but game companies traditionally don't discuss in house reprimands, which tends to leave players believing that the fix is in.
I highly doubt CCP will step up to the plate and air their dirty laundry for the good of the community.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.07 09:03:00 -
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*yawns*
It was a mining laser, not a uber-gun. Can we move on please? lets bury this story now.
That's not the point, the point is that Saruu claims it was given to him by a Roleplaying GM and the GM's claim in the devchat that it was accidently lost when a GM ship exploded.
Conflicting stories, it hurts the reputation of the GM's and all parties involved.
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Endyl
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Posted - 2003.08.07 09:05:00 -
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>It would be beneficial for setting the Eve
>community to rest, to know who the CCP
>employee was, and what the consequences of
>their renegade actions will be, if any, but
>game companies traditionally don't discuss in
>house reprimands, which tends to leave players
>believing that the fix is in.
Not thanks I don't want to know, I trust CCP for taking care of things and correct the shot.
Witch hunts and public executions has been banned long ago in all civilised countries.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.08.07 09:08:00 -
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I'm pretty sure CCP will take care of things, and those lasere will be deleted or removed as they have said.
This is not a hijack
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Jorev
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Posted - 2003.08.07 09:17:00 -
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Yet the citizens of these so called civilized countries butcher and abuse each other daily.
Public executions are a good deterent to crime, and provide entertainment value as well.
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Yatar Kindoki
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Posted - 2003.08.07 09:17:00 -
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When I look purely at the RPing part, I have no problem with this, if that's what happened. But the two stories are indeed still conflicting, I want to know which one is true :)
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Daan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Daan on 07/08/2003 09:22:21
If it was part of the storyline/content/rp-blabla, WHY A TECH LVL5? :/
I mean: they could just start with lvl2.. 
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.08.07 09:26:00 -
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If those 2 forums would not give me enough piece of mind to just accept and use or sell the item in game then I would do a petition to get some answers about the validity of this person contacting me with high tech items.
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Really? If someone came to me in the game with a Jovian character and offered me high tech equipment the last thing I'd do is petition. If the server went down and I reconnected to find my hangar of miner Is converted to them then I would. I wonder how many people petitioned when they found tech 2 items (which are actually tech 1 with the wrong description) or for that matter huge numbers of harvesters - not many I bet.
If someone comes up with something in a non-exploit type manner, as the above story indicates, then you have to assume that it is for-real and part of the game or you'd be petitioning about every single little thing going. Personally I'm glad it turned out to be a mistake rather than the galaxy being flooded with tech 5 mining lasers, and the whole thing is highly embarrassing to all involved BUT there is only one person in the wrong - the GM who:
1. Equipped it in tranquility for no apparent reason at all
2. Either dropped it or got blown up
3. Didn't check to find where all the items had gone properly
So it's a nonesense to make it out to be some huge hacker plot or something.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 09:32:00 -
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According to the CSM logs, it was a ship who's default loadout contained the laser.
How it got destroyed for this guy to loot is anybodies guess. But the Tech 5 items are a ways off from going live.
Item deleted. Sorry Charley, you no get uber toys yet. 
It ain't over till the fat lady falls on ya!
[ 2004.10.09 02:50:23 ] (combat) Your 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I perfectly strikes Guardian Sentry, wrecking for 747.3 damage.
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Luther Pendragon
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Posted - 2003.08.07 09:37:00 -
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There lay the infamous laser along with several other items yet to be disclosed.
Cool, now disclose the other items :p
If it was an dev sponsored RP story, a tech 5 laser wasnt intended to be included. Just default standard eq on a jove ship which nobody paid any attention to.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.08.07 09:51:00 -
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if this story is true, then thats fine with me. we need mroe GM's running around in jovian vessels, it adds to the game.
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JimmySav
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Posted - 2003.08.07 10:06:00 -
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in my opinion it just adds to the game.....
A nice bit of roleplay + the chance it could happen to you if you explore.
The item is only 1 laser, so it can be destroyed or stolen or sold etc (not manufactured) and therefore allows more events based round it.
One offs like this are good for the game if you ask me. Its opportunity for players to make stuff happen..... (esp as the laser initially WASNT in the hands of a huge corp...its bad if GMs give stuff to them...but if players sell to them...cool)
Anyway thats my tuppence into the ring
Jim'll Fix it For You. ( and you and you!)
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.08.07 10:16:00 -
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Give a pirate corp a tech5 weapon and watch the pitchforks and torches light up. You wouldn't find much added roleplay value with that. :)
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Jeffor
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Posted - 2003.08.07 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Jeffor on 07/08/2003 10:52:41
If/when Ragnar looses the mining laser you Saruu should give him a refund for marketing "hot" goods, no one else!
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:04:00 -
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... and all that story happened 2 months ago ?
Because there are screenshots that show that laser and a news page from 13.06.2003 (dd.mm.yyyy). A player already stated that 10 lasers were available. You said that "other" items were available too.
Now this whole story is becoming more interesting by the hour.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:09:00 -
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If/when Ragnar looses the mining laser you Saruu should give him a refund for marketing "hot" goods, no one else!
HAHAHAHA
Buy a stolen car, have it taken away from you. You can ask for the money back from the thief you bought it from but you have no legal backing in doing so unless you have a receipt and all legal documents filled out.
Buy dodgy stuff and get burned. Personally I might have sold it had I gotten my hands on a Nibelung, or I would just have mined like a mad man for me and my corp.
I would very likely not have advertised it's existence or next time my next mining session could have been rudely interrupted by a fleet of hungry battleships.
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colla tidet
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:16:00 -
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Once again i am AMAZED at the human capacity for UNDERSTANDING...
The knowledge of said stuff, SHOULD have been a bigger mystery than the Jimmy Hoffa missing person's case.  
"Let us have faith that right makes right, and in that faith let us to the end dare to do our duty as we understand it."
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Breese
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:23:00 -
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I personally fail to see why it is a big deal. Even if it is not deleted, there cant be many of them, and it is only a mining laser. I could see it if it were a Mega Uber weapon of some sort, but a mining laser is no big deal.
One corp, having one laser is not gonna give them a big enuff advantage to matter.
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Freddy Krueger
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:28:00 -
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Well, I am a little bemused by the majority of the responses Saruu has gained from his honest a/c of the way the mining laser was aquired.
You are either a believer of this a/c or not. But consider one glaring point: we gained one laser, not a handful, but one. To all of those that state you would of mined like buggery, good on you. But, myself and fellow corp members do not have the resources to guard a mining indi with several battleships whilst it fills it's hold. Better in my opinion to get a rather gracious finders fee, and pass said item to a corp with maximum resources, energy, and more importantly organisation. Look at it this way; perhaps when reverse engineering finally rears it's ugly head, we can all benefit from a BP copy of said item. I doubt this will happen, as the bleeding liberials amongst us would have this item removed from the game.
With regards to the Jovian character this item was gained from; myself, Saruu and indeed the CEO of TTI know the identity. But linching went out with the persecution of witches. Let this matter lie, and hope you may all be as fortunate in your endeavours whilst in the Universe we call Eve. Have a nice day.
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Yurito
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:29:00 -
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unless it mines 50mil ore units/minute... that'd be cool :P
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GraveDigger
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:30:00 -
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yicks..The author lost me the sec. he said he turned down 55 million for a mining laser..
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Jorev
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:37:00 -
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How do you know if it was just 1 mining laser?
Statements seem to indicate otherwise.
How do you know this is the first time something like this has happened?
The precedent is the problem which needs to be addressed.
Oh it's just a mining laser, not a weapon that can be used against me? Think again.
Anything that causes an imbalance to increase a person/corps wealth will lead to them being able to build/acquire better weapons/ships faster, which they can then use to control regions and force other players into submission.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:47:00 -
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This is an interesting slant to the story I must say. I had previously been operating on the devchat log account of what happened and come to the conclusion that the laser shouldn't have been in the game. But if Sarruu acquired it in the manner he says (and benefit of the doubt is very much in favour of taking such honesty at face value) then it is a roleplaying event that led to the passing of technology into the game universe.
The only reason taggart got involved was their public rep for having shed-loads of the money and some ethics by the sound of things.
Therefore its a clean action entirely from the perspective of players.
If the GM shouldn't have introduced the item then sure, the chap needs better management in the future. But if it was me running the game I'd stick with what has happened.
A single laser of that type is more interesting from a roleplaying implications and public relations perspective than its abrupt removal would be.
Still that doesn't mean to say I wouldn't advocate a Jovian attack fleet to come to Venal and ask for their laser back with menaces ;)
If anything this matter has demonstrated that knee-jerk opinions and rash accusations are the real problem here. Read the poor old roleplaying forum for heaven's sake! Those threads turned into a bearpit last night ... people threatening to cancel accounts ... accusations of photoshop fraud ... reputations trashed ... toys out of prams ... etc etc ...
A little bit more trust in the integrity of fellow players would not go amiss chaps.
Lets at least wait for the facts in future before calling for lynchings ... if this player community wants to flourish then a little more respect and tolerence is needed ooc ... no matter how fraught and appalling the galactic situation becomes ic.
Rule of thumb ... count to 60 before posting anything inspired by angry lunatic thoughts ... and for the love of heaven please stop spamming the ic forum with ooc comment ... clearly the general discussion is the place for this.
Love and peace.
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Fang
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:52:00 -
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If the story is true , then its a good way to introduce new technologies in to the game.
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2003.08.07 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: StealthNet on 07/08/2003 11:58:54
My *first* thought about this laser was exactly that, that it would be part of a RP story.
But it quickly faded when I read the CSM. SO, according to the original poster, there is a laser, AND OTHER ITEMS. I wonder what they would be. A lvl5 power diag ? A shield booster ? A Weapon upgrade ?
I REALLY hope that this guy is lying, because if his story is true, then the devs are as clueless as me hehehe
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annoing
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:02:00 -
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Regardless of how it happened, who it happened to and where it happened, one point is clear:
IT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED
Releasing LVL5 tech before we even have LVL2 is a pathetic joke.
Talk about 'balancing' from the Dev's and Pann should be met with a laugh from now on.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:13:00 -
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Regardless of how it happened, who it happened to and where it happened, one point is clear: IT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED
Releasing LVL5 tech before we even have LVL2 is a pathetic joke.
I disagree ... lone items of hightechnology manufacture are the stuff of interesting scifi. Genre films and novels are rife with whole lostech theme.
The key here is the super rare nature.
As long as these are single items with no ability to be replicated or mass produced then its not really a matter of game balance.
If it was a blueprint for a tech 5 item then hell yes, it would be a hideous gaff.
But there is a huge difference between 1 item and thousands.
Even a weapon would be potentially interesting I think ... if known pirate lunatic scored a lev 5 tech railgun from a jovian for example .. yes, the first reaction would be fear, then maybe jealously .. but then, very quickly after it would be the desire for acquisition and the thrill of the chase.
Characters would kill for possession of such a thing, and it would make for an interesting dynamic as megacorps bid hugely for bountry hunters to earn their finders fee.
But ultimately do remember .. as long as its not a blueprint it is super rare and effectively irrelevent in overall galactic balance of power.
Love and peace
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:15:00 -
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I find myself agreeing with you Jade.
Don't worry, this isn't the start of a trend ;)
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:21:00 -
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Ok just ignore the game wrecking 'ITS OK TO GET UNFAIR ADVATAGES AS LONG AS ITS ROLEPLAY' monkies for just a few seconds and look at the facts..
This guy (saruu) says he got it from a roleplaying gm/dev playing a jove.
Devs say it came from a ship that players werent supposed to have that had it as default equipment.
Whilst both stories COULD fit together its highly unlikely that they do..
So SOMEONE is fibbing either gms/devs or saruu..
The plot thickens...
Stav
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:25:00 -
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Well, you're right, you're not very business like. What CCP was trying to do, I think, is give the smaller people an opportunity at a piece of the pie. You could have possibly been the only manufacturer of this laser if reverse engineering worked, and in time, it should. Instead, you turn around and sell it to the largest corp in the game, further imbalancing economic power in Eve. What you did was stupid and impulsive, you saw small immediate gain rather than large gradual gain.
If anyone else finds one of a kind stuff like this, please don't pawn originals off on super-corps.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:29:00 -
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Ok just ignore the game wrecking 'ITS OK TO GET UNFAIR ADVATAGES AS LONG AS ITS ROLEPLAY' monkies for just a few seconds and look at the facts..
Pish and tish! You are talking nonsense! The item entered the gameworld ... it got sold to a corp with the money to buy it. That is a clear game transaction for hard isk. No different from me selling a rare beam to the highest bidder. Its disingenuous to blame this on a cosy roleplaying stitch-up, and silly to believe that the people who roleplay stuff are not every bit as competitive players of the game as those who do not.
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So SOMEONE is fibbing either gms/devs or saruu..
Or there is confusion amongst the people involved ... lets try the benefit of the doubt and see what comes out maybe ?
Honestly ... all this knee-jerk think the worst of fellow players and gm's stuff is a bit tragic.
Love and peace
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:33:00 -
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Look as the devs have already stated that laser was NOT supposed to be in game. So just cut the 'super corp' and roleplay carp and admit that what you did was wrong. You might not have known about it (YEAH) but it was wrong, so stop trying to justify it and makeout like it was some AMAZING GREAT idea.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:34:00 -
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"A single laser of that type is more interesting from a roleplaying implications and public relations perspective than its abrupt removal would be."
Interesting as a highly advanced oddity, yes; safe to have in the game universe only as long as the reverse engineering skill isn't implemented, though....
"Those threads turned into a bearpit last night (..) accusations of photoshop fraud ..."
*sighs* Being the photoshop comment came from me, i apologize if it came through as the accusation. 'tis was not the intention, simply because i don't consider adding a retouched picture to RP thread an 'offense' one could be charged with... hardly different from those pictures people carry around in their sigs, with battleships sporting company logos while the game mechanics don't allow it (yet) *shrugs*
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:35:00 -
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Jade, someone is lying, read the dev chat log then read this thread's first post.
Oh, when can I expect you to make a formal apology for me being podded by the aliance you speak for ?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:38:00 -
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"Jade, someone is lying, read the dev chat log then read this thread's first post."
... or the dev chat and this thread's first post refer to two completely unconnected events.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:42:00 -
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... or the dev chat and this thread's first post refer to two completely unconnected events.
If that is the case...then what else is out there and why isn't it announced that you could be approached by roleplaying GM's bearing gifts ?
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/08/2003 12:50:09
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Look as the devs have already stated that laser was NOT supposed to be in game. So just cut the 'super corp' and roleplay carp and admit that what you did was wrong.
It's not as simple as that clearly ... if the chaps account is true about the finding then I can't see any fault on the part of players. And as for witchhunts m'dear, glass houses perchance?
Re roleplay carp (i assume you mean crap .. but in-character ornamental fish would be more amusing) whatever, you don't like it fine, but don't count on the back-to-basics hardcore gamey tough-oop-north gruffness of raw powergaming being any more valid for the purposes of debate ... takes all sorts ...
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You might not have known about it (YEAH)
Call me a liar m'dear and I may have to get a little more robust in my opinions and language.
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... but it was wrong, so stop trying to justify it and makeout like it was some AMAZING GREAT idea.
I don't think that is what I am doing ... if you see the other thread I authored you will see I was pretty frank in admission of mistake (on the understanding it was a laser that wasn't supposed to be in the gameworld)
Now though we have this chat claiming it was introduced via a roleplayed discussion with "jovian" gm character.
That leaves things open to question.
You would have been wise to consider the facts from a few more angles yourself m'dear before knee-jerking the "if this stands I quit and cancel" response last night.
That hardly made you come across as an objective observer dear Stavros.
Love and peace
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:48:00 -
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Jade, someone is lying, read the dev chat log then read this thread's first post.
I believe there is room for confusion and muddied perspectives and it would be wise to not force a conclusion as yet. Maybe someone lied, maybe someone didn't understand the facts ... hell, is it so difficult to be a little bit charitable in the expectation ?
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Oh, when can I expect you to make a formal apology for me being podded by the aliance you speak for ?
Raise a question with the facts of the circumstance in RP forum ... and I investigate and give a response.
Love and peace
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:48:00 -
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I think that this argument is getting beyond boring. Yes the Devs need to explain themselves, and until they do, we all need to shut up and stop blaming the players who took advantage of the situation - lets face it, we'd have all done the same.
This board stinks of hypocrisy
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Elusion Salvage
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:52:00 -
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Dont you love the smell of greed in the afternoon. The feeling you have left out as person altho there are playing arround 15.000 persons.
Let us all be angry at CCP couse we did not recieved our lollypop.
Even the so called "roleplayer" drops his act couse he feels unjustice has been done to him.
People, push your head in a buggle of water and freshen up yourselfs. Take a look outside towards the nice sun that is shining out there.
Its a Game..
Games you play in your free time.. its not a dayjob.
Greets,
Elusion Salvage.
(Flame away)
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:55:00 -
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"If that is the case...then what else is out there and why isn't it announced that you could be approached by roleplaying GM's bearing gifts ?"
*coughs* well, i only know of someone who got in possesion of a Chaos frigate through an RP event.. ( before anyone get excited, Chaos is low-level pirate vessel and essentially a piece of Minmatar junk :s ) There might well be more...
As for why isn't it announced... honestly, why should it be? CCP might be relying on the word of mouth about such events spreading through community, rather than official "So-and-so just got a new gadget.... go get them, folks >P" type of announcements. Note how this single laser thing made the news despite lack of participation from the Devs... ;s
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:56:00 -
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this is NOT about rp AT ALL, i couldnt care less if you rp a giant intergalactic space chicken.
I do not mind rpers but I am not interested in playing that way. I simply want a decent objective answer on this NONE rp forum as to where the items came from and what will be done about removing them.
Simple really..
And jade you can PR all you want at the end of the day your opinions are you own and only shared by a very few others (mainly in tti) most people have the good sense to know that this affair stinks and no amount of verbal forum wrangling is going to alter that.
Stavros
Who is awaiting offcial response.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 12:57:00 -
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Raise a question with the facts of the circumstance in RP forum ... and I investigate and give a response.
Last post in this thread.
No questions needed, I was just flying around for my agent and BAM 2 battleships of your alliance wasted me, got a screenshot at home if you don't believe me.
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Freddy Krueger
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:02:00 -
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Lets get this matter cleared up for once and for all. The original post by Saruu is a correct a/c of what transpired. We were thinking of blowing the ship up as we had many cruisers docked in the nearby station fully armed and ready for action as usual. But, as I was returning from a mining run in an indi full of Bistot, I decided to call a halt to the festivities and let the course of events take fold. In retrospect, I think it was a good decision as we managed to gain some interesting tech without bloodshed and perhaps peeve off the good old Jovians.
Now, you either believe our a/c, or you believe what the devs are telling you, and that we did indeed blow to pieces said ship. I really do not care either way, but logic would dictate that our a/c is the correct one, simply as we have come forward with the details of what transpired. I personnally, and I know Saruu agrees, would of preffered to stay in the background as usual and not in the general populaces face. We only offer this a/c of how it happened, so as to stop all you moaning gits from slagging of a magacorp known as TTI. Have a nice day.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:03:00 -
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As for why isn't it announced... honestly, why should it be? CCP might be relying on the word of mouth about such events spreading through community, rather than official "So-and-so just got a new gadget.... go get them, folks >P" type of announcements. Note how this single laser thing made the news despite lack of participation from the Devs... ;s
Offcourse they shouldn't go as far as "Person X just got contacted by Jovian agent Y and was given a Blah module". Least they could announce was something like "The past few days Jovians have been spotted..." or whatever.
I for one would think twice before accepting anything from a "GM" before it's officially announced that GM's are rampaging the EVE-verse bearing gifts on unsuspecting travellers...but I allready wrote that a few posts up.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:12:00 -
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No questions needed, I was just flying around for my agent and BAM 2 battleships of your alliance wasted me, got a screenshot at home if you don't believe me.
On the contrary, a question is needed if you want a response from me with my VA public relations hat on. In this ooc forum I'm me! Not currently doing PR for Venal.
If you want to roleplay it out ask in the roleplay forum,
If you just want to ***** about losing a ship, then I have to say as one player to another ... these things happen.
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:16:00 -
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No questions needed, I was just flying around for my agent and BAM 2 battleships of your alliance wasted me, got a screenshot at home if you don't believe me.
On the contrary, a question is needed if you want a response from me with my VA public relations hat on. In this ooc forum I'm me! Not currently doing PR for Venal.
If you want to roleplay it out ask in the roleplay forum,
If you just want to ***** about losing a ship, then I have to say as one player to another ... these things happen.
Love and peace
No, I don't want to ***** about my losing a ship, I want to know why I wasn't asked to buy a passage. But let's leave this thread to the mysterious player versus GM story.
I will concoct a RP thingy.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:21:00 -
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[Stavros wrote]
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I do not mind rpers but I am not interested in playing that way. I simply want a decent objective answer on this NONE rp forum as to where the items came from and what will be done about removing them.
Entirely fair .... to a point .. but then you end on the prejudgement that such a thing needs removing ... maybe it does, but according to the account at the beginning of this thread ... maybe it doesn't ... the point about waiting for an objective response and sensible descision is that you actually wait for the outcome .. rather than announcing the prefered verdict in advance m'dear.
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And jade you can PR all you want at the end of the day your opinions are you own and only shared by a very few others (mainly in tti)
Good lord mate! thats a sweeping generalisation ... who declared the "most people love me" **** measuring competition? Psssshawww .. thats a bit a desparate call to the gallery you must admit.
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... most people have the good sense to know that this affair stinks and no amount of verbal forum wrangling is going to alter that.
I simply don't know that it does, or that it actually looks that way ... if the chap who authored this thread is telling the truth (and as yet i have seen absolutely no reason to doubt that) then nothing stinks at all from the player perspective.
From my point of view the only thank stinks at all is the kneejerk holier-than-thou hypocrisy from some quarters.
If you chose to wait for official word then excellent .. I applaud your good sense, but while waiting you might consider holding fire on the murky accusations and slander perchance?
Just a suggestion dear chap.
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:25:00 -
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No, I don't want to ***** about my losing a ship, I want to know why I wasn't asked to buy a passage. But let's leave this thread to the mysterious player versus GM story.
Agreed, but do ask in the roleplaying forum if you would like to know why. I will be happy to respond to the question there.
Love and peace
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:31:00 -
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This is about Roleplay almost everyone wants it except for people like Starvos.
Just look the real face of mOo comes out. As soon as he heard the news look at his first few post he made on them. Even on the Roleplaying forum itselve all he wanted was his greedy hands on it. Not interested in anything else, and not even considerate about the time it took to comeup and write those stories. He acted like a complete ass.
I think that new items should be released first to people who proticipate in events and after awhile become availible to those not roleplaying. After all what kind of game is it? A what?? A RPG right and what does that stand for - Role Playing Game. Why don't you people go play some first person shooter if you don't want to roleplay for stuff. Otherwise wait.
Is that the representation that mOo wants to sound like that? There willing to experiment for the best weapon setup weither its an exploit or not. But they cry when it is required to roleplay for something.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:32:00 -
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How the heck is ONE laser ( or even 2 3 or 4) gonna be "Game wrecking" or "unbalancing"!!!
Its ludicrous! it allows more scope for espionage, stealing and downright murder to get the items. Even a powerful weapon would be little use against a determined bunch looking to take it off a smoking wreck.....
It all adds to the game.
If people dont like the fact someone else has it, go and kill them, and destroy the item!
Its EVE here! take justice into your own hands!
PS any BPs for stuff like this WOULD be totally ridiculous tho........
Jim'll Fix it For You. ( and you and you!)
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:33:00 -
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OOC: Pardon this but the only way I can make my point is out of character. WAKE UP this is a game just a game so calm down. I know some people think the whole laser thing was a chance for some people to have an unfair advantage. Guess what the whole game is unfair the smarter( Stavros, Morkt) people do better than the stupid ones. The more charismatic ones( Jade, Jos0phine) do better than people who can't defend themselves verbally. " It's not fair" The carebear war cry. It happened, it's done, move on.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:33:00 -
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Personally i would just like to see an clear statement from CCP on this.
Paying customers say they got it from a dev direct in "Jove roleplay" - the Devs say this is not true in the CSM.
Clearly something is amiss and the whole affair stinks.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:43:00 -
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Miso: Quote:
I think that this argument is getting beyond boring.
Yes, and you keep reading it. Not only reading it, though, but replying as well, making your final comment very fitting, and inclusive for yourself.
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This board stinks of hypocrisy
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:50:00 -
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Guess what the whole game is unfair the smarter( Stavros, Morkt)
Smarter!!! These people posting, even on the roleplaying forum acted like my 3yr old son that just saw a toy commercal and screeming gimme! gimme! Want it now!.
I here them always say to carebears. "It says PvP on the box when you bought it so stop complaining". Well, it also says Roleplaying on the box.
They want to take all the content out of the game. Might as well Change all the Races to Race 1, Race 2 ect... and all the Planets to number ones. This game is suppose to be different then games like those.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:50:00 -
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The rp stories were fun around this laser and that is it. Other then that it is one mining laser and nother more. Big deal that it equals what....5 regulars? Makes me quake in my boots.
Jovian technology will infiltrate the game. It is in all the story lines about them, especially with the caldari. I would not be suprised in some GMs rp'd as Jovians and started/did release some very high tech items into the game very slowly in in super small numbers.
THIS WOULD BE ADDING CONTENT AFTER ALL RIGHT????
What better then to have real rp players (GMs) interacting then stupid npc generated events.
The Wretch
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Gan Howorth
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Posted - 2003.08.07 13:56:00 -
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There is nothing wrong with this incident. Someone somewhere is probably covering their ass as they may well have acted without the go ahead of the dev team as a whole (i.e. over excited GM).
So what, its great to think that there's something 'out there' and it could happen to you. Oh sorry, we all want everything to be the same shade of concrete cos least that way its fair?
On another note, the guy who obtained it so should have kept hold of it. Reverse engineering is only round the corner and it would so have been worth the risk destroying it to make a BP. Selling to TTI was a bit pointless, may well have got a better deal from any other medium corp tbh.
Anyway, it livened the forum up a bit, most content this game has seen since release.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:01:00 -
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What better then to have real rp players (GMs) interacting then stupid npc generated events.
because its suicidal for any GM?DEV/MOG to do that...people will just scream favouritism every time and you will lose customers over it.
And what do you think would now happen if they DID RP it into the game in such a manner? After all this with the players who were "RP-d too" being put out as liers?
Those who can't see the fundamental issue BEHIND the item itself need not reply to the thread.
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They want to take all the content out of the game
Kalhan wth are you going on about?
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:03:00 -
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Well, it also says Roleplaying on the box.
Maybe you should did up that box again and have a little read.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:04:00 -
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hey where are the dev logs anyway? does anyone have a link to this topic as discussed by CCP?
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:18:00 -
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hey where are the dev logs anyway? does anyone have a link to this topic as discussed by CCP?
The log in question is hosted right here, on the evegate website.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:21:00 -
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I here them always say to carebears. "It says PvP on the box when you bought it so stop complaining". Well, it also says Roleplaying on the box.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ragnar on 07/08/2003 14:35:58
As CEO of Taggart (TTI), these are my first public OOC statements on the matter.
What Saruu said in his original post is entirely true.
Taggart bases its reputation on being solid and reputable businessmen. Yes we may be a so-called ômegacorpö, but our rising tide raises all the corps that conduct business with us. We have a symbiotic relationship with countless other good corps in EVE. A majority of the ones you see deriding us in public have many private deals already in place with us.
It seemed PERFECTLY plausible to me that GMs were out there doing ômini-eventsö, having role-playing sessions in deep space, slowly distributing unique Jovian items here or there. This matches with the ômysteriousö Jovian theme the gameÆs RP is based on, and a slow introduction of this race into the gameÆs culture is expected. Furthermore, it is natural economic sense how the best items end up in the wealthiest corps. (As someone in another thread correctly posted: There is a reason the finest Alaskan Salmon ends up in New York City 24 hours later.)
I found Saruu to be a wonderfully nice guy and an excellent role-player. In fact, most of my dealings with him in game were all very well role-played, as we discussed the nature of the Jovians and this strange encounter we had. Sure, he could have made up this elaborate story to ôtrickö me into buying a hacked item or whatever, but, again, the idea the GMs were out there introducing a few Jovian items made perfectly good sense.
Every game has unique items here or there. Not enough to completely unbalance the game, but a few. Naturally we were gonna try to reverse engineer the thing, but I assume that when Rev Eng comes into the game that certain items have a very low likelihood of being reverse engineered.
It also seemed reasonable to me that CCP wanted the Jovians and mysterious encounters to be discussed in a public forum, to add to the role-playing depth and the technological future of the game. In that belief, I worked on a few stories (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=23341) about the incident in a pure role-playing manner for the intergalactic summit. I even included a picture of the Jovian ôt0rfifransö (btw, itÆs a shame Jovians have to use numbers in their names like late 1990Æs l33t Quake players) that Saruu emailed me to enhance the story I wrote. I have been accused of ôname droppingö, which is completely absurd because, to me, if a Jovian appears in game to hand out items and introduce the race, they can expect their name to become well known. You better believe the first alien that lands on Earth will have his name pretty well known, even if it can only be properly annunciated by dolphins. I didnÆt claim to be sitting at Starbucks having iced frappucinos with T0rfifrans every evening, I just simply included him in the story for the benefit of the role-playing community that was interested in this mysterious race, as this may have very well been ôfirst contactö, and Saruu had every reason to be excited by the prospect.
So the usual cast of idiots and Taggart haters came out and called us cheaters and photoshoppers and exploiters then paraded around their cause du jour, only to be proven completely wrong less than 12 hours later by both CCP and Saruu. Yes, the story of Ragnar/Saruu conflicts with the story by CCP, and I am sure it will be settled at some point. Both stories certainly agree that that was no cheating, photoshopping, exploiting, or favors from people affiliated with CCP. With that salient fact, all you forum trolls with no life can go back to your Taggart-hating meditation pods and invent some other nonsensical reason to hate us now.
Thank you again to Jade Constantine who has worked tirelessly with me in this matter to conduct herself in a professional and role-playing manner. I also thank the Venal Alliance and the few other supporters we had that new all along that Taggart was above reproach in the matter.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:24:00 -
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Those who can't see the fundamental issue BEHIND the item itself need not reply to the thread.
What fundamental issue is that?
That it is unfair?
Because I don't see you guys saying anything else. The only reason I see you trying to say its a scam or untrue or These guys are lieing is becuase you don't have the item yourself.
What I'm talking about is... Look go to the roleplaying board and look at the first posts after the long article.
What I am asking is.... What if the only way you could be the first to access these items would be though Roleplaying?? I know what Stavos would say.
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Ok i dont care about roleplay and i dont care about stupid jove tech.
I want to know from some offcial source (ie non roleplaying fool) where it came from and how they got hold of level 5 tech items.
This stinks and you guys are total idiots for posting this.
It seems he and some otheres would throw a fit and threaten to leave or something if you had to roleplay for those things.
At the top of the box and all over it, it says MMORPG or Massive Multiplayer Online Role playing Game. If you havn't seen it then you are looking at the wrong box. And what do you do in any Roleplaying game????
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:25:00 -
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copied over from the locked thread
Frankly, I was pretty sure the miner was meant to be in the game. It's something I would have expected to encounter long ago - caches at abandoned stations, lone explorers stumbling into single, unique items.
As long as such items cannot be reverse engineered or produced in any way I do not see any harm in spreading a small number of artifacts. If anything, it adds to the excitement of exploration. And being a RP person myself I certainly liked the story around this one a lot.
Unfortunately, in this case circumstances seem to be a bit different. Still, I am somewhat surprised by the public reaction - we all have been asking for content and that would have been one example of it. Note that the miner wasn't given to TTI directly, but someone else obtained it - otherwise I'd be a worried about favorism taking place.
But half of the players assuming this to be a blatant lie? Maybe it's just been the vocal minority, but still I was hoping for a more relaxed environment than this.
Anyhow, let's find a RP conclusion to the releases posted so far, I'd hate simply removing them. Still a good read, imo.
Cheers, Yalson
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Endyl
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:28:00 -
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Anyway RPG or not... I don't see the point...
I am not much a roleplayer myself, I am more in the number crunching category, but does it change your life ?... I hope not.
I do love roleplayers, they make my little virtual world more real.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 07/08/2003 14:29:59
The moment content or the idea that it maybe content comes in others have to try to ruin it.
It may not say PvP directly on the box but it definently says roleplaying on it. Look on the front right above the big letters E V E.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:44:00 -
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Well, I found all these thread as I came to work and read them all before coming to the wrong conclusion. I'm all for Roleplaying items in the game and I urge you to read my first posting. Something does not add up, the players say it was roleplayed in the game and the Dev's state it was a freak accident which never should have happened.
I just want to see that cleared up, was it introduced on purpose by the Dev team as Saruu wrote or was it introduced by accident as the Dev log claims.
And about the box, ummm, no RPG on the box, sorry. EveBox
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:49:00 -
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All role-playing adds to the richness of the EVE universe...unique items add to the richness of the EVE universe.
Whats the downside? (apart from the masses of crying) I mean is the world 'Balanced' or do some countries have higher resource levels/tech levels/education levels than others?
EVE is trying to make a realistic and fun galaxy and this seems to just add to it.....
Jim'll Fix it For You. ( and you and you!)
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:52:00 -
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Gezzz get a grip ppl, some of you would complain about anything.
Next thing you know your going to try and demand that my jovian battle cruser (that I won fair and square in a poker game at the new caldari pleasure dome) be taken away just because you dont have one.
 Oh can anyone that has a jove frig and jove cruser skill kit please contact me.
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Mission
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Posted - 2003.08.07 14:53:00 -
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I smell a rat.
The first post sounds true. But, i already told you the events what happened with the Nibelung that i know of.
There MUST BE MORE THAN 1 OUTTHERE ... infact, "the one" that i know of is still on the test server on one of the characters.
Also... if the 1st post is true and someone was given one of these lazers... why on earth was they given the BEST mining lazer ever to be n the game... A miner 2or3 would have been good enough at this time.
Something dodgy really is happeneing here... i first thought everyone was just arguing for no reason.
Conspiracy definetaly.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:04:00 -
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Thats it Mission poke the thread zombie corpse one more time, perhaps its not dead yet and may still "RRR-ARG" and lunge for your throat one more time...
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Tool
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:11:00 -
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Well GD, if the items are in game, more power to the people that have'em. If they want to sell them to their fairy Godmothers who tf are you to question their actions? To keep these controversial items rare all they need to do is flag them to prevent reverse engineering, and then you can have the skill and the rare items in game live harmoniously side by side. As it is this game is anemic on content already, whatÆs wrong with a little high tech every now and then to spice this bore fest up?
On the flip side; If CCP goes around putting carrots in front of peoples faces just to have them yanked away, then FU CCP. I donÆt see what harm 1 or even 10 of those lasers would do in a game with so many people. 
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 07/08/2003 15:16:15
hmmmm I don't have the Box here at work. But I know it says RPG somewhere on it. but othere then that.
Look here
What does it say on the 3rd paragraph. MMORPG right? and under what catagory of game type do you find this online game?
Do you see it on the same game type list as Doom?
Is it in the same list as Madden 2003?
Just what type of game is it? An RPG you say?
What do you do in a RPG? Could we get a Dev responce to this. I thought this game is an RPG. Maybe I am wrong.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:15:00 -
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This is just another proof that drugs have been introduced in the game.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:23:00 -
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Secondly I had thought that the mOo was a Corp that added flavor to the game the same way RP Content does. I would seriously would like to know if they have the same view as there member Starvos. I thought they were something different - playing the part of a pirate not just doing it cause they feel like it and they stood up for there profession and how hard it is to be a pirate. Then Starvos makes a comment like.....
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Ok i dont care about roleplay and i dont care about stupid jove tech.
I want to know from some offcial source (ie non roleplaying fool) where it came from and how they got hold of level 5 tech items.
This stinks and you guys are total idiots for posting this.
Stav
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Tool
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:23:00 -
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This is just another proof that drugs have been introduced in the game.
I wouldn't be surprised if some people here were high while they post, and/or play for that fact.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:26:00 -
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this all comes down to 2 groups.
Group A: Is jelous cause they dont have it and cry Abuse, Uneven, Unfair.
Group B: Doesnt realy care, cares more about building up the role playing value of the community, and actualy likes rare items to be introduced like these.
Read every post in this thread and aply A or B
that way you know who to ignore from now on.
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Klydor
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:33:00 -
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you forgot group c:
Those who beleive the item doesn't exist and is just a carefully planned hoax
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Femme Fatal
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:40:00 -
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Firstly I think that tech 5 is far from balanced and therefore none of it should be ingame, not even a miner. Secondly CCP should get better methods for distribution of rare items than giving them to random people, because its just a matter of time till a person from TTI or some corp with close affiliations to the devs/gms gets an item personally and the boards will once again come to life with wild flame wars and accusations.
TTI may have no fault at all in the matter, and it could well be that the person who came across this miner (even if through a roleplaying GM) but in the end distribution through GMs will only lead to accusations and shouts of misuse of GM powers. That is why I think the Jove should come and reclaim their lil toy, and CCP should find a method of introducing items that isnt so easily attacked for being unfair or abusable.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:46:00 -
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Why Femme Fatal because you weren't the one there?
or becuase you won't feel like roleplaying for it?
or becuase its not on the market? You must be group A.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:48:00 -
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Hmmm, dunno what to think about this after reading the dev chat and the conflicting post, oh well my Thorax not up to facing a Jovian battleship anyway...
Jovian rogue on the run after violating laws
A Jovian renegade, suspected to be in the early stages of the Jovian Disease, is on the run after he violated the non-interference law imposed by the Jovian directorate. The renegade gave away a hi-tech item to a person not an agent of the Jovian Empire. The directorate has already sentenced the rogue to the heaviest punishment possible, that of recycling his DNA upon capture. This is equivalent to removing the soul of a non-Jovian. It is also believed that the directorate is contemplating negating the effects of the renegade's crime, though how they plan to do this is yet unknown.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:52:00 -
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you forgot group c:
Those who beleive the item doesn't exist and is just a carefully planned hoax
Yes, group C: recently released from the psych ward...
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Iminay
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Iminay on 07/08/2003 15:54:49
oh well ~ stop *****ing ppl and start playing already
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 07/08/2003 15:57:40
I wish I could play I'm at work.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:59:00 -
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No questions needed, I was just flying around for my agent and BAM 2 battleships of your alliance wasted me, got a screenshot at home if you don't believe me.
On the contrary, a question is needed if you want a response from me with my VA public relations hat on. In this ooc forum I'm me! Not currently doing PR for Venal.
If you want to roleplay it out ask in the roleplay forum,
If you just want to ***** about losing a ship, then I have to say as one player to another ... these things happen.
Love and peace
Well, it's a shame all the flowery speech and civilized veneer is a load of hooey.
A few posts back you forgot this was General and pretended not to notice a point because it "wasn't RP."
Since you're the mouthpiece of TTI, you have posted - oh - i count at least 3 or 4 seperate posts that stress the need to "be charitable" and "take the gent at his word."
You also make fun IC of Stavros for using the word Carp instead of Crap, and then 2 paragraphs later typo "chat" instead of "chap." Shall we once more avoid the point of this thread and discuss our typing skills some more?
Lastly, tho, and what causes you to lose all the credibililty to my eyes, is the above load of carp. All of a sudden RP is dropped, we're not charitable or taken people at their word any more, and you're downright rude and dismissive. Should be not take this chat at his word? After all, he wouldn't post it if it wasn't true! Perhaps there is room for some misunderstanding between the two parties, Nay Say Pa?
Give me a fscking break.
Delete the damn item, work on fixing the broken stuff in this game MORE and tooling around with out-of-timeline items LESS. Overall content that will grab and keep large blocks of players cannot be made up for by spreading the idea that if we shut up and are nice to GMs in weird ships they'll give us stuff. BAD IDEA. Please don't do it again.
IMHO, TTI nor the chat who started this thread should be penalized for just trying to play the damn game. Apparently, i'm the only person on here who tries to return lost wallets to their rightfull owner will its contents intact, but whatever. It's a one-off item, they're all mining slaves anyway so who cares if they can mine 564275674200 units a day instead of 564275674020???? As long as reverse-engineering doesn't exist, that is.
If, however, reverse engineering will come into play BEFORE mining lasers of tech levels 2, 3, and 4, then remove it.
If you can't see why, i can't help you.
If CCP can't see why, no one can help us...
Inifinite time, indfinite resources, infinite supply.
The only caveat to all the above would be if CCP is actually setting up TTI to be the monopolistic sort of gits they should be. I would actually welcome that. As long as they never ever ever sell copies of the damn BP before TL5 is commonly available *stern glare*.
As long as only TTI can sell it, and keeps the price jacked up, it becomes a premium item few can afford. After you stop screaming, you'll realize that's the ONLY OPTION for keeping it in the game now, because it makes 1-4 useful to everyone else.
if it can't be handled this well, delete the damn thing.
Now, this is all charitably pretending that there's room for understanding between "A GM gave it to me" and "It was looted from a GM's mysteriously destroyed ship" (was someone testing jove ships vs sentry guns? ).
Now that we're done pretending - if someone is, in fact, lying, delete the damn thing.
I'm totally disgusted with this whole stinking mess. HOW is this crap happening when SO MUCH ELSE needs to be done?
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Posted - 2003.08.07 16:00:00 -
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When tourists visit Africa, travel agents suggest to their clients that they take penciles, pens and crayons with them and hand them out to the children in the viliages that the visit. These items are very rare in these areas so such gestures are apreciated. This is nothing to the visiting tourists as these items are cheap and nothing to them, on the other hand to the children these items are solid gold as they are so rare and usefull to them.
A young (I'm assuming he is young) Jove is sent beyond the safety of his empire to do some scouting and mining for his empolyers(?). He is exited at this prospect, and to his delight meets a member of one of the barbarian Empires from the galactic south. They have a chat and both of them fine the conversation forfilling, for the barbarian meeting one of the mesterious Jove, and for the Jove himself to meet someone other then a Jove and being to LEARN new things and gain knowlage. Remeber to the Jove there is nothing greater then knowlage, its what they live for and from this barbarian he gained more then he could wish for.
Well in the end the Jove and the barbarian parted ways, while for the barbarian it was a interesting deversion for the Jove it was the opertunity to obtain knowlage, as well as gain new experiences. The Jove feels obliged to the barbarian for this gift of knowlage, so he decides to show his gratitude by giving him a few un-important items he had lying around in his hold....including a tec 5 mining lazer. To the Jove these items where un-important, however to the barbrian these items where worth their weight on gold. Through a chance encounter a tiny bit of high lvl tech found its way into the barbarian empires.
What I have writen above is based on the game fiction I have read, and how I think the Jove think. It was I nice bit of roll-play and should happen more often. Its interesting because it seems that the Jove are venturing beyond their borders, which I'm sure will make the game more interesting for all. CCP please do more of this as it enriches the game.
Please dont let a bunch of selfish, arogent, self-centered, jelous, no-all, powergaming, GEEKS! ruin it for the rest of us. It's one, yes ONE single, insignificant bloody mining lazer. The guy could of gotten 8 and it wouldnt of made a diffrence! There are over 5000 registered subscribers to this game, its wouldnt of meant sqwat to the balance or dynamics of the game. So please try and take things into perspetive people, the GM's will do as they see fit and I have every confidence they know what they are doing and that its for the good of them game. Remeber its just ONE mining lazer. The principle be damed, it only get people hurt.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 16:12:00 -
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Ok just ignore the game wrecking 'ITS OK TO GET UNFAIR ADVATAGES AS LONG AS ITS ROLEPLAY' monkies for just a few seconds and look at the facts..
This guy (saruu) says he got it from a roleplaying gm/dev playing a jove.
Devs say it came from a ship that players werent supposed to have that had it as default equipment.
Whilst both stories COULD fit together its highly unlikely that they do..
So SOMEONE is fibbing either gms/devs or saruu..
The plot thickens...
Stav
Don't forget, the dev's say the ship exploded. (see CSM log)
They also say that the playerS (yes multiple players) will have the items removed. This means that there was more than 1.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 16:13:00 -
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Look really really not meaning to sound rude or anything but..
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Well, it's a shame all the flowery speech and civilized veneer is a load of hooey.
A few posts back you forgot this was General and pretended not to notice a point because it "wasn't RP."
Since you're the mouthpiece of TTI, you have posted - oh - i count at least 3 or 4 seperate posts that stress the need to "be charitable" and "take the gent at his word."
You also make fun IC of Stavros for using the word Carp instead of Crap, and then 2 paragraphs later typo "chat" instead of "chap." Shall we once more avoid the point of this thread and discuss our typing skills some more?
Lastly, tho, and what causes you to lose all the credibililty to my eyes, is the above load of carp. All of a sudden RP is dropped, we're not charitable or taken people at their word any more, and you're downright rude and dismissive. Should be not take this chat at his word? After all, he wouldn't post it if it wasn't true! Perhaps there is room for some misunderstanding between the two parties, Nay Say Pa?
What is bad talking about here and who is he talking to.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 16:14:00 -
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Doc I think the new news says otherwise.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.08.07 16:49:00 -
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Look really really not meaning to sound rude or anything but..
What is bad talking about here and who is he talking to.
o_O your quote function seems to work just fine; am I to assume you can only make them, and not read them?
ppl make me wonder sometimes
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 16:53:00 -
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I have read every single page agian after I say your confusing post. And hey I wasn't trying to be rude. but I can if you want me to be.
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Jorev
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:04:00 -
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Someone touched on something important.
Are there any polaris members in TTI and did they check with the GM staff about these "gifts"?
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Halo Jones
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:13:00 -
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A little bit more trust in the integrity of fellow players would not go amiss chaps.
Rule of thumb ... count to 60 before posting anything inspired by angry lunatic thoughts ...
Thanks for that Jade.....
A bit of trust in the intregity of player who didn't report tech lvl5 miners when these players clearly knew they shouldn't be in the game...
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:17:00 -
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Someone touched on something important.
Are there any polaris members in TTI and did they check with the GM staff about these "gifts"?
Good quesiton..
CCP or TTI care to answer?
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:18:00 -
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Jove commander: Surrender immediately!
Terran Pilot: They set us up the bomb!
Jove Commander: All your base are Belong to us.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Vlad Damian on 07/08/2003 17:40:31
Morkt Drak:
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Paying customers say they got it from a dev direct in "Jove roleplay" - the Devs say this is not true in the CSM.
- A good summary of the situation.
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Clearly something is amiss and the whole affair stinks.
- I couldn't agree more.
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Personally i would just like to see an clear statement from CCP on this.
- Amen to that.
The way I see it one of three things happened:
- This was a staged event that went wrong
- This was some staged event designed simply to cause this whole hubbub
- Perhaps some DEV got drunk and opened his TQ copy of EVE instead of the Chaos copy
Come on CCP, shed some light on this melodrama.
...Please ???
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:38:00 -
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CCP does NOT shed light, they just come up with a cool cover story, just liek the pentagon :)
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:38:00 -
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ummm... vlad didn't you just see the news? I think they just made a statment.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:43:00 -
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yes but perhaps in this situation they shouldnt cover it with flowery RP text, and explain the whole affair properly, perhaps even so far as giving an apology ?
Or maybe not.....
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Vlad Damian
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:44:00 -
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Heh, sorry Kalhan, I didn't.
Now that I have: is this their idea of an official response...
If this is actually all one big accident, I wish they would come out and say exactly what happened instead of trying to role-play it... just makes the issue more murky and uncertain.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:51:00 -
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True
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:52:00 -
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[Halo wrote]
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Thanks for that Jade.....
A bit of trust in the intregity of player who didn't report tech lvl5 miners when these players clearly knew they shouldn't be in the game...
I don't think you can say that. If the event proceeded as it was described then the player in question had every right to believe the equipment had a place in the game. Knock the "roleplaying" angle all you like, but this game comes with background and the promise of roleplaying content. Why is it so difficult to expect such to manifest in these kind of ways?
Love and peace
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Duke Atreties
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Posted - 2003.08.07 19:11:00 -
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Didnt the lead art designer for CCP say that he didnt think it was "that" good. He thought it was just a little better than most miners? Even this is wrong. Why should suruu get any miner from a dev? If he gets one, we all should:P
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 19:11:00 -
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[To Bad Harlequin]
Your response and analysis of various of my posts in this thread is a little confusing so forgive me if I have this muddled...
Is what you are basically saying;
1. That I was wrong to refuse to discuss an unrelated matter (the destruction of this chap's ship by VA forces) in this thread.
2. That I am biased on this matter because I have done TTI press releases and that as a consequence may opinion that the community should perhaps take Saruu at his word is invalid.
3. That I'm naughty for taking the mickey out of an amusing typo.
4. (again with reference to the chap whose ship was blown up by Venal) that I have lost all credibility for not wanting to deal with that issue in this thread about the Jovian incident.
Please correct me if I have misunderstood any of that.
But on the assumption that is indeed what you mean then let me say first, I am not unsympathetic to the guys loss, and I am not distrusting his word ... indeed by asking him to start a thread in the roleplay forum, I am inviting him to talk about the matter in an appropriate place where I can do the matter justice in its own right.
If I seemed snappy then I apologise, but I really was unwilling to see the thread deflected from the core point (Saruu's story) into a completely different "how bad VA is" thread. The latter thread is entirely appropriate and something I will be glad to play with, but I really feel it needed to be separate.
Re spelling mistakes and poking fun ... again, I apologise if you were offended, but sometimes I see the humour in such and can't help but make quips. That said, I make mistakes too, and people take the mickey out of them as well.
These things happen.
Anyhow .. please let me know if I have misunderstood these arguments and points .. I assure you if I have it wasn't intentional.
Love and peace.
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2003.08.07 19:13:00 -
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Doc I think the new news says otherwise.
Yea, more information has come out since my post. Alot of questions are still unanswered though.
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Posted - 2003.08.07 19:15:00 -
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As the event has been explained in detail here I am locking this topic before it becomes even more flame-infested than it already is.
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