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Femme Fatal
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:40:00 -
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Firstly I think that tech 5 is far from balanced and therefore none of it should be ingame, not even a miner. Secondly CCP should get better methods for distribution of rare items than giving them to random people, because its just a matter of time till a person from TTI or some corp with close affiliations to the devs/gms gets an item personally and the boards will once again come to life with wild flame wars and accusations.
TTI may have no fault at all in the matter, and it could well be that the person who came across this miner (even if through a roleplaying GM) but in the end distribution through GMs will only lead to accusations and shouts of misuse of GM powers. That is why I think the Jove should come and reclaim their lil toy, and CCP should find a method of introducing items that isnt so easily attacked for being unfair or abusable.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:46:00 -
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Why Femme Fatal because you weren't the one there?
or becuase you won't feel like roleplaying for it?
or becuase its not on the market? You must be group A.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:48:00 -
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Hmmm, dunno what to think about this after reading the dev chat and the conflicting post, oh well my Thorax not up to facing a Jovian battleship anyway...
Jovian rogue on the run after violating laws
A Jovian renegade, suspected to be in the early stages of the Jovian Disease, is on the run after he violated the non-interference law imposed by the Jovian directorate. The renegade gave away a hi-tech item to a person not an agent of the Jovian Empire. The directorate has already sentenced the rogue to the heaviest punishment possible, that of recycling his DNA upon capture. This is equivalent to removing the soul of a non-Jovian. It is also believed that the directorate is contemplating negating the effects of the renegade's crime, though how they plan to do this is yet unknown.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:52:00 -
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you forgot group c:
Those who beleive the item doesn't exist and is just a carefully planned hoax
Yes, group C: recently released from the psych ward...
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Iminay
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Iminay on 07/08/2003 15:54:49
oh well ~ stop *****ing ppl and start playing already
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 07/08/2003 15:57:40
I wish I could play  I'm at work.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.08.07 15:59:00 -
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No questions needed, I was just flying around for my agent and BAM 2 battleships of your alliance wasted me, got a screenshot at home if you don't believe me.
On the contrary, a question is needed if you want a response from me with my VA public relations hat on. In this ooc forum I'm me! Not currently doing PR for Venal.
If you want to roleplay it out ask in the roleplay forum,
If you just want to ***** about losing a ship, then I have to say as one player to another ... these things happen.
Love and peace
Well, it's a shame all the flowery speech and civilized veneer is a load of hooey.
A few posts back you forgot this was General and pretended not to notice a point because it "wasn't RP."
Since you're the mouthpiece of TTI, you have posted - oh - i count at least 3 or 4 seperate posts that stress the need to "be charitable" and "take the gent at his word."
You also make fun IC of Stavros for using the word Carp instead of Crap, and then 2 paragraphs later typo "chat" instead of "chap." Shall we once more avoid the point of this thread and discuss our typing skills some more?
Lastly, tho, and what causes you to lose all the credibililty to my eyes, is the above load of carp. All of a sudden RP is dropped, we're not charitable or taken people at their word any more, and you're downright rude and dismissive. Should be not take this chat at his word? After all, he wouldn't post it if it wasn't true! Perhaps there is room for some misunderstanding between the two parties, Nay Say Pa?
Give me a fscking break.
Delete the damn item, work on fixing the broken stuff in this game MORE and tooling around with out-of-timeline items LESS. Overall content that will grab and keep large blocks of players cannot be made up for by spreading the idea that if we shut up and are nice to GMs in weird ships they'll give us stuff. BAD IDEA. Please don't do it again.
IMHO, TTI nor the chat who started this thread should be penalized for just trying to play the damn game. Apparently, i'm the only person on here who tries to return lost wallets to their rightfull owner will its contents intact, but whatever. It's a one-off item, they're all mining slaves anyway so who cares if they can mine 564275674200 units a day instead of 564275674020???? As long as reverse-engineering doesn't exist, that is.
If, however, reverse engineering will come into play BEFORE mining lasers of tech levels 2, 3, and 4, then remove it.
If you can't see why, i can't help you.
If CCP can't see why, no one can help us...
Inifinite time, indfinite resources, infinite supply.
The only caveat to all the above would be if CCP is actually setting up TTI to be the monopolistic sort of gits they should be. I would actually welcome that. As long as they never ever ever sell copies of the damn BP before TL5 is commonly available *stern glare*.
As long as only TTI can sell it, and keeps the price jacked up, it becomes a premium item few can afford. After you stop screaming, you'll realize that's the ONLY OPTION for keeping it in the game now, because it makes 1-4 useful to everyone else.
if it can't be handled this well, delete the damn thing.
Now, this is all charitably pretending that there's room for understanding between "A GM gave it to me" and "It was looted from a GM's mysteriously destroyed ship" (was someone testing jove ships vs sentry guns?  ).
Now that we're done pretending - if someone is, in fact, lying, delete the damn thing.
I'm totally disgusted with this whole stinking mess. HOW is this crap happening when SO MUCH ELSE needs to be done?
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Benedic
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Posted - 2003.08.07 16:00:00 -
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When tourists visit Africa, travel agents suggest to their clients that they take penciles, pens and crayons with them and hand them out to the children in the viliages that the visit. These items are very rare in these areas so such gestures are apreciated. This is nothing to the visiting tourists as these items are cheap and nothing to them, on the other hand to the children these items are solid gold as they are so rare and usefull to them.
A young (I'm assuming he is young) Jove is sent beyond the safety of his empire to do some scouting and mining for his empolyers(?). He is exited at this prospect, and to his delight meets a member of one of the barbarian Empires from the galactic south. They have a chat and both of them fine the conversation forfilling, for the barbarian meeting one of the mesterious Jove, and for the Jove himself to meet someone other then a Jove and being to LEARN new things and gain knowlage. Remeber to the Jove there is nothing greater then knowlage, its what they live for and from this barbarian he gained more then he could wish for.
Well in the end the Jove and the barbarian parted ways, while for the barbarian it was a interesting deversion for the Jove it was the opertunity to obtain knowlage, as well as gain new experiences. The Jove feels obliged to the barbarian for this gift of knowlage, so he decides to show his gratitude by giving him a few un-important items he had lying around in his hold....including a tec 5 mining lazer. To the Jove these items where un-important, however to the barbrian these items where worth their weight on gold. Through a chance encounter a tiny bit of high lvl tech found its way into the barbarian empires.
What I have writen above is based on the game fiction I have read, and how I think the Jove think. It was I nice bit of roll-play and should happen more often. Its interesting because it seems that the Jove are venturing beyond their borders, which I'm sure will make the game more interesting for all. CCP please do more of this as it enriches the game.
Please dont let a bunch of selfish, arogent, self-centered, jelous, no-all, powergaming, GEEKS! ruin it for the rest of us. It's one, yes ONE single, insignificant bloody mining lazer. The guy could of gotten 8 and it wouldnt of made a diffrence! There are over 5000 registered subscribers to this game, its wouldnt of meant sqwat to the balance or dynamics of the game. So please try and take things into perspetive people, the GM's will do as they see fit and I have every confidence they know what they are doing and that its for the good of them game. Remeber its just ONE mining lazer. The principle be damed, it only get people hurt.
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2003.08.07 16:12:00 -
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Ok just ignore the game wrecking 'ITS OK TO GET UNFAIR ADVATAGES AS LONG AS ITS ROLEPLAY' monkies for just a few seconds and look at the facts..
This guy (saruu) says he got it from a roleplaying gm/dev playing a jove.
Devs say it came from a ship that players werent supposed to have that had it as default equipment.
Whilst both stories COULD fit together its highly unlikely that they do..
So SOMEONE is fibbing either gms/devs or saruu..
The plot thickens...
Stav
Don't forget, the dev's say the ship exploded. (see CSM log)
They also say that the playerS (yes multiple players) will have the items removed. This means that there was more than 1.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 16:13:00 -
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Look really really not meaning to sound rude or anything but..
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Well, it's a shame all the flowery speech and civilized veneer is a load of hooey.
A few posts back you forgot this was General and pretended not to notice a point because it "wasn't RP."
Since you're the mouthpiece of TTI, you have posted - oh - i count at least 3 or 4 seperate posts that stress the need to "be charitable" and "take the gent at his word."
You also make fun IC of Stavros for using the word Carp instead of Crap, and then 2 paragraphs later typo "chat" instead of "chap." Shall we once more avoid the point of this thread and discuss our typing skills some more?
Lastly, tho, and what causes you to lose all the credibililty to my eyes, is the above load of carp. All of a sudden RP is dropped, we're not charitable or taken people at their word any more, and you're downright rude and dismissive. Should be not take this chat at his word? After all, he wouldn't post it if it wasn't true! Perhaps there is room for some misunderstanding between the two parties, Nay Say Pa?
What is bad talking about here and who is he talking to.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 16:14:00 -
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Doc I think the new news says otherwise.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.08.07 16:49:00 -
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Look really really not meaning to sound rude or anything but..
What is bad talking about here and who is he talking to.
o_O your quote function seems to work just fine; am I to assume you can only make them, and not read them?
 ppl make me wonder sometimes
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 16:53:00 -
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I have read every single page agian after I say your confusing post. And hey I wasn't trying to be rude. but I can if you want me to be.
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Jorev
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:04:00 -
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Someone touched on something important.
Are there any polaris members in TTI and did they check with the GM staff about these "gifts"?
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Halo Jones
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:13:00 -
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A little bit more trust in the integrity of fellow players would not go amiss chaps.
Rule of thumb ... count to 60 before posting anything inspired by angry lunatic thoughts ...
Thanks for that Jade.....
A bit of trust in the intregity of player who didn't report tech lvl5 miners when these players clearly knew they shouldn't be in the game...
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:17:00 -
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Someone touched on something important.
Are there any polaris members in TTI and did they check with the GM staff about these "gifts"?
Good quesiton..
CCP or TTI care to answer?
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:18:00 -
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Jove commander: Surrender immediately!
Terran Pilot: They set us up the bomb!
Jove Commander: All your base are Belong to us.
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Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?"
Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't"
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Vlad Damian
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Vlad Damian on 07/08/2003 17:40:31
Morkt Drak:
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Paying customers say they got it from a dev direct in "Jove roleplay" - the Devs say this is not true in the CSM.
- A good summary of the situation.
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Clearly something is amiss and the whole affair stinks.
- I couldn't agree more.
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Personally i would just like to see an clear statement from CCP on this.
- Amen to that.
The way I see it one of three things happened:
- This was a staged event that went wrong
- This was some staged event designed simply to cause this whole hubbub
- Perhaps some DEV got drunk and opened his TQ copy of EVE instead of the Chaos copy
Come on CCP, shed some light on this melodrama.
...Please ???
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:38:00 -
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CCP does NOT shed light, they just come up with a cool cover story, just liek the pentagon :)
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:38:00 -
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ummm... vlad didn't you just see the news? I think they just made a statment.
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MrGold
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:43:00 -
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yes but perhaps in this situation they shouldnt cover it with flowery RP text, and explain the whole affair properly, perhaps even so far as giving an apology ?
Or maybe not.....
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Vlad Damian
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:44:00 -
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Heh, sorry Kalhan, I didn't.
Now that I have: is this their idea of an official response...
If this is actually all one big accident, I wish they would come out and say exactly what happened instead of trying to role-play it... just makes the issue more murky and uncertain.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 17:51:00 -
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True
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Apples Rule
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:52:00 -
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[Halo wrote]
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Thanks for that Jade.....
A bit of trust in the intregity of player who didn't report tech lvl5 miners when these players clearly knew they shouldn't be in the game...
I don't think you can say that. If the event proceeded as it was described then the player in question had every right to believe the equipment had a place in the game. Knock the "roleplaying" angle all you like, but this game comes with background and the promise of roleplaying content. Why is it so difficult to expect such to manifest in these kind of ways?
Love and peace
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Duke Atreties
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Posted - 2003.08.07 19:11:00 -
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Didnt the lead art designer for CCP say that he didnt think it was "that" good. He thought it was just a little better than most miners? Even this is wrong. Why should suruu get any miner from a dev? If he gets one, we all should:P
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 19:11:00 -
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[To Bad Harlequin]
Your response and analysis of various of my posts in this thread is a little confusing so forgive me if I have this muddled...
Is what you are basically saying;
1. That I was wrong to refuse to discuss an unrelated matter (the destruction of this chap's ship by VA forces) in this thread.
2. That I am biased on this matter because I have done TTI press releases and that as a consequence may opinion that the community should perhaps take Saruu at his word is invalid.
3. That I'm naughty for taking the mickey out of an amusing typo.
4. (again with reference to the chap whose ship was blown up by Venal) that I have lost all credibility for not wanting to deal with that issue in this thread about the Jovian incident.
Please correct me if I have misunderstood any of that.
But on the assumption that is indeed what you mean then let me say first, I am not unsympathetic to the guys loss, and I am not distrusting his word ... indeed by asking him to start a thread in the roleplay forum, I am inviting him to talk about the matter in an appropriate place where I can do the matter justice in its own right.
If I seemed snappy then I apologise, but I really was unwilling to see the thread deflected from the core point (Saruu's story) into a completely different "how bad VA is" thread. The latter thread is entirely appropriate and something I will be glad to play with, but I really feel it needed to be separate.
Re spelling mistakes and poking fun ... again, I apologise if you were offended, but sometimes I see the humour in such and can't help but make quips. That said, I make mistakes too, and people take the mickey out of them as well.
These things happen.
Anyhow .. please let me know if I have misunderstood these arguments and points .. I assure you if I have it wasn't intentional.
Love and peace.
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2003.08.07 19:13:00 -
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Doc I think the new news says otherwise.
Yea, more information has come out since my post. Alot of questions are still unanswered though.
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Mandos
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Posted - 2003.08.07 19:15:00 -
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As the event has been explained in detail here I am locking this topic before it becomes even more flame-infested than it already is.
-- Mandos
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