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Ramma Lamma DingDong
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.22 12:30:00 -
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One can only hope that CCP will figure out that it is the well established, wealthy, jaded, never happy with anything veterans that are killing the game before they are allowed to devour it completely.
Seriously, just try being a new player who has never heard anything about this game. It's not friendly at all. It's the opposite of the definition of gaming which is supposed to be...fun.
What makes it so hard to get and retain new players? Other players.
What happens every time they try and introduce new features to make the game more "newbie friendly?" Massive QQ and tantrums from, you guessed it, other players.
The CSM is a joke who's loudest voice is from one of the biggest griefing guilds known in the mmo genre and they pride themselves on this. They actually base game design decisions on the opinions of these malcontents and ignore completely, the source.
This is one worth watching in the future too folks. Apparently the quickest way to affect changes in the Eve universe is to lie, cheat and steal your way to the microphone where you can then impact future policy so that you and your band of thieves and miscreants can further plunder their way to even greater success.
So keep allowing them to control the game CCP and keep watching as little by little, the corpse becomes fully devoured.
Meanwhile, changes that should have been implemented years ago to bring in newer, less experienced players and to provide them with a game world that actually retains them for more than the trial are going to the "back burner." Old players are leaving and no new ones are replacing them.
"OMG fix Nullsec, fix Lowsec, make people come out and pee vee pee, there's nobody out here."
Got news for you guys, you ran all of them away. They won't be coming back. |

Neve Talie-Ko
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.22 12:31:00 -
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Two observations from a new player/subscriber.
1. Although I have tried the free trial every year for the last five years or so, this is the first time I've put the money on the barrelhead. I've always liked the idea of Eve because I'm an old Traveller buff, but the previous abstact-ness of your character was a put-off. The Incarna character was the difference this time.
2. This is actually far enough for me. I'm not enamored enough of the other people in the game to wish for any further player interaction. I kinda like my CQ to feel lonely and isolated, but that's me. |

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
126
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Posted - 2011.10.22 12:42:00 -
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Oriaita Lee wrote:Now that infamous door isn't going to go anywhere for YEARS.
I rejoined EVE after a long break so I could finally play the Space Barbie that they promised was initially going to be released in 2008. I was playing the game back then but I deactivated my account after the date for Walking In Stations kept getting pushed back and back, thinking to myself "Typical CCP taking forever to do anything - I'll cancel now and sign up again when they show me that they're actually making real progress on this".
I rejoined recently when I heard that Incarna would be out soon. Great, I thought - finally. When they said they'd make the avatar clothes a microtransaction, I was concerned, because I knew it meant no more free clothes in the character customiser and if there's one thing that customiser BADLY needs it's more, better clothes than the ugly 1970s monstrosities in there now, but I figured, "hey microtransactions are the way things are going these days, and most are usually only a dollar or so per item maximum" so I figured it'd be okay. Then when they priced the NEX store ludicrously high (lets face it, the monocle isn't the problem, even the very cheapest items are way overpriced when you look at their cost ratio compared to the price of ships) my heart sunk. 1000 Aur for the cheapest stuff? Try 50 Aurum, guys - look around you at the market (and also look at the EVE market where boots are selling for less than 10 million ISK, a small fraction of their Aurum cost). I knew CCP simply didn't have the experience in this kind of market to get this part right. Still, I had my CQ and they were going to expand it soon so I could meet other avatars, right? Right?
Now I read that they're "refocusing" on spaceships and laying off 20% of their staff. I don't see how a mass layoff is going to help them produce anything quicker, but more importantly (for me) it seems that they've given up producing anything outside of the Captains Quarters for now. I can see the technical problems of having multiple avatars in the same space chewing up CPU, but damn, I don't care if they dumb the graphics down to get the result - if it looks like Privateer or Wing Commander, or even Minecraft or Nethack, FINE - but I want to be able to meet other avatars. Preferably wearing some cool stuff without paying through the nose for the privilege.
I don't care about ship spinning (my CQ runs fine, graphics card sweats a bit but for me it's worth it), new ships (can barely fly any of the current ones), new features, etc. Bug-fixing is nice, definitely do that - maybe consider a "code freeze" like what Minecraft did recently, and play-balancing is good, especially looking forward to hybrid balancing and not getting a Nyx dropped on me every 2 jumps, but If CCP wanted to make me really happy, they could:
* Top priority - some way for avatars to meet, ASAP. Otherwise, all your other Incarna stuff is pointless and will continue to look pointless and embarrassing until you do this. Establishments would be great, but if they must, they can wait - even if it's just one-on-one meetings for now, to save CPU, I'd settle for that. You should be able to at the very least invite one other person into your Captains' Quarters. Don't tell me that would be impossible to code, if it weren't for the EULA a bored fan could probably knock up something like that in a week.
* Ditch the NEX store and add the clothes to the character creator, or just let users design their own clothes (we've all seen how quickly mod communities work), or if you MUST charge for the clothes, drop prices by at LEAST a factor of 15-25 and for chrissake design some better ones, that might reflect what people may wish their avatars to actually wear. If you're stuck for ideas look at what Facebook games are doing with their wardrobes. Think simple, high quantity and cheap.
If I got even some of that wishlist, I'd be thrilled and I'd start subscribing 12 months in advance - and probably even donating a little bit of extra money whenever I could just to help CCP re-employ some of those poor lost staff. CCP, you've talked to the endless whiners who hate Incarna and want their spaceship game back, now please talk to me. Cheers.
Go back to WoW or The Sim3. |

steejans nix
0beron Construct Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.22 12:46:00 -
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Quote:I rejoined EVE because of Incarna, and now they're taking it away?!?
Think the masses unsubbing because of it trumps the 3 people resubbing because of it.
Edit to add I thank CCP for returning my chance to spin my ship in dock. |

Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries The Black Armada
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Posted - 2011.10.22 12:54:00 -
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This is a troll right!?!?! I mean, they cant be people out there that care this much for barbies online...
Personally, if you want barbies online, go play 2nd life until CCP can fix the gaping chest wounds in FiS and balance out dev resources between WiS and FiS.
I think we can all agree that some major work needs to be done to the game on the FiS part so the game can be fair and playable for everyone.
Personally, I'm looking forward to the POS rework and the redesign of the Corp management UI. Both of those plague me daily. |

Lipbite
Express Hauler
9
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Posted - 2011.10.22 13:12:00 -
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I re-subscribed 3 accounts in May before Incarna because I expected there will be WiS during 1-3 months. When I've seen insane NeX prices and realized it's all about single jail cell aka "captain quarters" - I unsubscribed.
For me it doesn't matter if CCP introduce +4 ships to 150+ already available, it doesn't matter for me (high-sec/C1-C4 WH carebear) if they re-balance supercaps, it doesn't matter for me if they re-balance hybrids (as Gallente I was forced to learn Caldari missles and happy with them), and faction warfare also doesn't matter anything because I'm not a big fan of chaos/blob PvP - the matter is there is no new content planned in EVE for at least 8+ months.
And WiS implemented during winter could solve that - so I could subscribe with few accounts for at least 2-4 months. CCP continue to dig its own grave by making one strategic f*k up right after another. Well, good luck! |

Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
8
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Posted - 2011.10.22 13:13:00 -
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Severian Carnifex wrote:say thnx to 20 ppl on forums with megaphones that were louder then all the rest of player base that play the game... 
If there are only twenty people then kindly list them all. All twenty of them.
You will find that you are missing a few thousand. |

Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
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Posted - 2011.10.22 13:15:00 -
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Well.. CCP kind of hoped that millions of wannabe Eve players hidden out on internet would come rushing when they got an avatar to stare at. They also most likely figured that some old players would leave but it would be a sacrifice worth making for all those millions of players waiting out there to sub up and buy NeX stuff. This hopeful view of the future wasn't really connected to reality.
It is good that Eve got some new players (or old players rejoining) because of Incarna, but the truth is that far more left Eve because the game is broken and has been left broken for years. The focus has not been to fix the problems or give us more things to do. I have yet to see a plan for what we are expected to do in Incarna when we get establishments (except roleplaying and staring at and showing off NeX items).
I believe this new direction will be good for Eve and I hope they actually will give some thought about what kind of game-play establishments will give the players before they work on it again. |

Toros Revoke
Revoke Foundation
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Posted - 2011.10.22 13:57:00 -
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I liked the idea of incarna so long as it remained as advertised, that being that once docked I could leave my ship and wander about and meet other avatars if I chose to, thats not what we got and the thing didn't even have emotes, it couldn't do anything it just sat looking bored and sad on a couch in a cell while ccp told us all how lucky we were. Once incarna is 'Finished' I would like to take part in it, I think it would add a cool new element to the game, I am a bit concerned how my machine, which is not ancient and useless, will cope with rendering not only my avatar and its prison cell, but a whole station environment and it inhabitants, I think it might need addressing.. Just my opinion take it or leave it. |

David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.10.22 14:14:00 -
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non judgement wrote:Oh yeah sure that was it. That's the thing that solved all our problems. But after I shoot the statue and unsub what am I going to do after that? Glue wings on to my car and start driving it around looking for a gate to jump through?
nah but glueing wings to a horse and jumping through gates might be more viable Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |

Jashmyne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.22 14:19:00 -
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Aquila Draco wrote:i am afraid that CCP dont understand some things... 1st. Drop of player numbers is not because WIS... its about CCPs promises they are giving and not keeping 2nd. Expansion that you dont deliver is not expansion and its not guilty for bad things that happen, its broken promise guilty 3rd. Many ppl are expecting WiS for years... you say no... they are not happy at all... 4th. Many ppl that like FiS are not happy if you use development for NOTHING AT ALL... they would not be angry if they see results of that... 5th. Its not smart to get angry one group of ppl... and then the other... you will have one more drop in players then... only ppl that will stay will be that part of playerbase that dont give a damn about future...
This post says it all. It is very funny that CCP says they have learned their lesson by doing the exact same thing they were suppose to have learned. The scary part is that the people who want WiS just want a bar and some mini-games and the ability to interact with other avatars and that was pretty much done according to CCP and then they just scrap it. They could have finished Incarna and pleased the ones looking forward to it all in one go and then focused on FiS. It's mindblowing and will make WiS even more expensive in the long run. |

Alaura Aquila
Caldari Elite Force Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.10.22 14:27:00 -
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I didn't read anything about CCP scrapping WIS, what's all the hubub? Try not to over react ok? |

Caulk H0lster
Kazakh Ministry of Wealth Redistribution
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Posted - 2011.10.22 14:29:00 -
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Jashmyne wrote:Aquila Draco wrote:i am afraid that CCP dont understand some things... 1st. Drop of player numbers is not because WIS... its about CCPs promises they are giving and not keeping 2nd. Expansion that you dont deliver is not expansion and its not guilty for bad things that happen, its broken promise guilty 3rd. Many ppl are expecting WiS for years... you say no... they are not happy at all... 4th. Many ppl that like FiS are not happy if you use development for NOTHING AT ALL... they would not be angry if they see results of that... 5th. Its not smart to get angry one group of ppl... and then the other... you will have one more drop in players then... only ppl that will stay will be that part of playerbase that dont give a damn about future...
This post says it all. It is very funny that CCP says they have learned their lesson by doing the exact same thing they were suppose to have learned. The scary part is that the people who want WiS just want a bar and some mini-games and the ability to interact with other avatars and that was pretty much done according to CCP and then they just scrap it. They could have finished Incarna and pleased the ones looking forward to it all in one go and then focused on FiS. It's mindblowing and will make WiS even more expensive in the long run.
That's the problem m8, they bit off more than they could chew. They didn't think before they acted, and made avatars and environments so detailed that they were then limited how many avatars they could put in one space, and realized only THEN how badly they had screwed up. What CCP advertised Incarna to be would be at LEAST another year down the road. Another year of rejecting to address FiS, and another year of core customers unsubbing, PvP and 0.0 stagnating and everything else that goes along with total neglect of FiS.
CCP probably wouldn't BE in this debacle if they could have delivered what they promised, when they promised. But instead, they seriously overestimated themselves, and Hilmar admitted just as much in his letter, when he spoke about hubris. They can't release what they have because it's crap and can't practically work, and they can't spend another year neglecting FiS to make it work. It's time to move on, that's what they're doing. Maybe when the PC tech catches up with the tech CCP built for Incarna, they'll be able to practically revisit the whole thing. |

Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.22 14:30:00 -
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I've been fully in support of the protests and vocal in my support of the necessity to fix FiS, but I think those who are dissing the whole concept of WiS are yahoos.
Of course EVE needs WiS, it needs avatar interaction in stations, it needs an expansion of gameplay in that direction.
Even The Mittani supports WiS, it's so obviously a good idea.
That CCP have cocked the introduction of WiS is granted, that FiS needs some serious attention is granted, but they should definitely not stop development of WiS altogether, they should expand it into an other form of multiplayer interaction within the game.
Had Hilmar not made the mistakes he's spoken about in his devblog and in the Eurogamer article (and brave man that he is for admitting it) there's no reason why EVE couldn't have had both FiS and WiS developed to a much better stage than they are now. It's not the concept that's the problem, it's the way CCP was assigning priorities and developing its business that was the problem. It has been admitted, it is known. |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.22 14:37:00 -
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Ramma Lamma DingDong wrote:Apparently the quickest way to affect changes in the Eve universe is to lie, cheat and steal your way to the microphone where you can then impact future policy so that you and your band of thieves and miscreants can further plunder their way to even greater success.
Congratulations. Welcome to the real world. |

Fulc Dainton
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.22 14:55:00 -
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Fixing broken stuff - top priority, no argument there from me.
New ships and stuff - no argument again, that's just expanding what has been the "core game" up until Incarna and it'll keep the vocal crowd happy. (The anti-WiS faction don't have to play space barbies if they have their own new toys in space, I just wish they'd stop trying to drive WiS even further down the priority list and proclaiming it dead)
WiS on the back burner - I'm sure I'm not the only one who was actually looking forward to this obvious expansion of the EVE experience. I think we need a definitive statement regarding just how low that back burner is going to be.
I'm happy that ship-spinning is back, but the door is still there for me in stations and this sums it up for me - spinning is there for those that prefer traditional EVE, the door is there for those that want to experience EVE in as many ways as possible.
I'm hoping that we all get the EVE we're looking forward to. |

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
53
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Posted - 2011.10.22 14:58:00 -
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I too, joined this spaceship simulation game to play dress up and tea parties. How dare they remove tea parties and add to the spaceship simulation?!
OHHHH if only there were some other game out there that would give me my fill of prancing around in humanoid form.
Get a grip you morons, eve has been spaceships for 8 years, Who the **** are you to expect anything different? It's no different to playing need for speed and complaining that you can't get out of the cars, beat up prostitutes and steal helicopters.
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Jerick Ludhowe
Shadow Legion Industries Dark Phoenix Rising.
1
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Posted - 2011.10.22 15:13:00 -
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I'd rather be able to walk around inside my ship than inside a station . |

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.10.22 15:48:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:I've been fully in support of the protests and vocal in my support of the necessity to fix FiS, but I think those who are dissing the whole concept of WiS are yahoos.
Of course EVE needs WiS, it needs avatar interaction in stations, it needs an expansion of gameplay in that direction.
Even The Mittani supports WiS, it's so obviously a good idea.
That CCP have cocked the introduction of WiS is granted, that FiS needs some serious attention is granted, but they should definitely not stop development of WiS altogether, they should expand it into an other form of multiplayer interaction within the game.
Had Hilmar not made the mistakes he's spoken about in his devblog and in the Eurogamer article (and brave man that he is for admitting it) there's no reason why EVE couldn't have had both FiS and WiS developed to a much better stage than they are now. It's not the concept that's the problem, it's the way CCP was assigning priorities and developing its business that was the problem. It has been admitted, it is known.
This. What some people here don't get is the fact that both could have been realized as different ressources were working on avatars and FiS mostly.
EVE had attracted a whole bunch of new players and - sorry to say that - but when I read the alliance names of the absolutely anti-WiS crew talking about space-barbie crap... I feel like sitting on the lap of my grandpa and he tells me about the glorious times when there were no mobile phones. Only I actually could tell that story to my kids if I had any, since grandpa has been dead for 20 years and I remember that mobile phones were bricks when I was twenty.
I think - aside from the leaked letter and the NEX store - both things I was enraged about myself: MANY just leave because they have played this game without interruption for too many years. There is nothing new in it for them and the shiniest newest features will only hold them a few more months. The best indicator for that is: I have played EVE for over four years now with small interruptions and . That is much longer than I played any other MMO. Still many seem to think: If you haven't been there since Beta, you must be a noob.
Open up to evolution or see yourself drop out of the game because you finally get too bored without any replacement by new players, because there is no further game evolution and the old playerbase is stagnant and single-minded. And often somewhat arrogant - I don't even exclude myself on that point.
Many - definitely not all - new players came and now see that what they came for - a space simulation including multi-player on Avatar base - effectively scrapped. Lets face it: STO stinks, but one of the first things players there cried for was being able to visit their bridge and invite people to it. Because social interaction IS important to many and just being a ship feels weird even to me.
Also I wonder how they want to "integrate" DUST with EVE when there will be no fully functional WiS. |

Kile Kitmoore
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 16:24:00 -
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Quit.
If youGÇÖre here for the promise of this Incarna vision CCP has hyped for years it's time to pack it up and just quit. Don't come back until it's ACTUALLY in the game and working. It really hurts me to say that but my last account is on the fence over this latest little CCP nightmare. Aside from something that's been marketed to us for years getting canned I just don't feel good about the method in which I was informed. Yet again CCP leaps over their player base heads out to a media outlet to give us bad news. Hey CCP we right here on your forums, talk to us directly!
FiS should have NEVER been sacrificed in order to deliver CQ, note I did not say Incarna because in my view this was never launched. Myself and others tried to warn CCP about developing Incarna without gameplay goals and what we got was CQ. In the end it looks like it was only about the WoD engine and the dimes they could scrape together in the Nex.
I don't know what the result of this latest news is going to have on the current player base but if there is another wave of cancels it could be a good thing. A good thing that people stop clinging to this hope of walking around a station and accept EVE for what CCP can deliver, a simple spaceship game.
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mkint
171
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Posted - 2011.10.22 16:28:00 -
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I say it over and over again... if you joined a game for wiggly little legs that doesn't have wiggly little legs, you joined the wrong game. Who's fault is that? Second Life is thadaway ---> |

Kengutsi Akira
78
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Posted - 2011.10.22 16:32:00 -
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Oriaita Lee wrote: I rejoined EVE after a long break so I could finally play the Space Barbie
A.) 0/10
B.) we really need a dislike button What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
82
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Posted - 2011.10.22 16:37:00 -
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mkint wrote:I say it over and over again... if you joined a game for wiggly little legs that doesn't have wiggly little legs, you joined the wrong game. Who's fault is that? Second Life is thadaway --->
You should learn to read better. I and many others joined this game exactly for what it had to offer. Excellent spaceship simulation. That was years ago and I still find new stuff in space to do.
We were looking forward to a new feature which was advertised heavily in addition to that. I will not leave the game, but I will laugh me arse off when it turns out that winter expansion will be a small package for FiS, too, and oh-so wordy "go to second life barbies" idiots like you whine again.
Or do I call you and the alliance blobsters "Blue Blobopaths" and tell you that Dark Prophecy is that way --> every time I post? I limit myself to every second time.  |

Kengutsi Akira
79
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Posted - 2011.10.22 16:38:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNWWxD-q-bg
Irony, HE hates it too What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
82
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Posted - 2011.10.22 16:40:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNWWxD-q-bg
Irony, HE hates it too
OK, that was a good one, grant you that!  |

Kile Kitmoore
0
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Posted - 2011.10.22 16:45:00 -
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mkint wrote:I say it over and over again... if you joined a game for wiggly little legs that doesn't have wiggly little legs, you joined the wrong game. Who's fault is that? Second Life is thadaway --->
I agree to a point but you do understand that CCP dug this hole by marketing this vision and some people may have joined because they were naive enough to believe CCP could deliver it. I really hate using the word naive because CCP is really good on hype, it's the delivery part they fall flat on their faces.
Oh, somebody contact YouTube and tell them to take down the Future Vision video.
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mkint
171
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Posted - 2011.10.22 16:45:00 -
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Aidan Brooder wrote:mkint wrote:I say it over and over again... if you joined a game for wiggly little legs that doesn't have wiggly little legs, you joined the wrong game. Who's fault is that? Second Life is thadaway ---> You should learn to read better. I and many others joined this game exactly for what it had to offer. Excellent spaceship simulation. That was years ago and I still find new stuff in space to do. We were looking forward to a new feature which was advertised heavily in addition to that. I will not leave the game, but I will laugh me arse off when it turns out that winter expansion will be a small package for FiS, too, and oh-so wordy "go to second life barbies" idiots like you whine again. Or do I call you and the alliance blobsters "Blue Blobopaths" and tell you that Black Prophecy is that way --> every time I post? I limit myself to every second time. 
You're right... I think I'll buy the new Oblivion game for the Invasion of Normandy level. I hope I'm not disappointed.  |

XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
35
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Posted - 2011.10.22 17:23:00 -
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*18 months* |

JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1
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Posted - 2011.10.22 17:37:00 -
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I've wanted ambulation/incarna/wis since I first started playing in 05, but I do _not_ think it should take priority away from other aspects of the game that need to be looked at or fixed. The fact that they were pushing Incarna out when so many other features in the game were either broken, or not working as intended, is what was really annoying me.
Hopefully at some point they do continue development of Incarna. But on that same note I also hope that they wait until they can deliver on the pending features and fixes that the game is in dire need of. Especially those that only serve to correct other "dead in the water" and broken features that they have already implemented.
Not to mention that the entire idea of releasing 1 room to us as part of Incarna made any sense. They should have waited until the mechanics were in place to release a more substantial WIS build.
Because as it stands, I feel like THIS when pigeonholed into my little CQ with no toilet to speak of. |

Katsumi Kaminari
3
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Posted - 2011.10.22 17:41:00 -
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CCP hit Incarna with a nerf bat. Remember kids, if you set your expectations low, you will never be disappointed.  In blossom today, then scattered: Life is so like a delicate flower. How can one expect the fragrance To last forever? - Vice Admiral Ohnishi, Kamikaze Special Attack Force |
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