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Oriaita Lee Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.10.22 06:03:00 - [1] - Quote Now that infamous door isn't going to go anywhere for YEARS. I rejoined EVE after a long break so I could finally play the Space Barbie that they promised was initially going to be released in 2008. I was playing the game back then but I deactivated my account after the date for Walking In Stations kept getting pushed back and back, thinking to myself "Typical CCP taking forever to do anything - I'll cancel now and sign up again when they show me that they're actually making real progress on this". I rejoined recently when I heard that Incarna would be out soon. Great, I thought - finally. When they said they'd make the avatar clothes a microtransaction, I was concerned, because I knew it meant no more free clothes in the character customiser and if there's one thing that customiser BADLY needs it's more, better clothes than the ugly 1970s monstrosities in there now, but I figured, "hey microtransactions are the way things are going these days, and most are usually only a dollar or so per item maximum" so I figured it'd be okay. Then when they priced the NEX store ludicrously high (lets face it, the monocle isn't the problem, even the very cheapest items are way overpriced when you look at their cost ratio compared to the price of ships) my heart sunk. 1000 Aur for the cheapest stuff? Try 50 Aurum, guys - look around you at the market (and also look at the EVE market where boots are selling for less than 10 million ISK, a small fraction of their Aurum cost). I knew CCP simply didn't have the experience in this kind of market to get this part right. Still, I had my CQ and they were going to expand it soon so I could meet other avatars, right? Right? Now I read that they're "refocusing" on spaceships and laying off 20% of their staff. I don't see how a mass layoff is going to help them produce anything quicker, but more importantly (for me) it seems that they've given up producing anything outside of the Captains Quarters for now. I can see the technical problems of having multiple avatars in the same space chewing up CPU, but damn, I don't care if they dumb the graphics down to get the result - if it looks like Privateer or Wing Commander, or even Minecraft or Nethack, FINE - but I want to be able to meet other avatars. Preferably wearing some cool stuff without paying through the nose for the privilege. I don't care about ship spinning (my CQ runs fine, graphics card sweats a bit but for me it's worth it), new ships (can barely fly any of the current ones), new features, etc. Bug-fixing is nice, definitely do that - maybe consider a "code freeze" like what Minecraft did recently, and play-balancing is good, especially looking forward to hybrid balancing and not getting a Nyx dropped on me every 2 jumps, but If CCP wanted to make me really happy, they could: * Top priority - some way for avatars to meet, ASAP. Otherwise, all your other Incarna stuff is pointless and will continue to look pointless and embarrassing until you do this. Establishments would be great, but if they must, they can wait - even if it's just one-on-one meetings for now, to save CPU, I'd settle for that. You should be able to at the very least invite one other person into your Captains' Quarters. Don't tell me that would be impossible to code, if it weren't for the EULA a bored fan could probably knock up something like that in a week. * Ditch the NEX store and add the clothes to the character creator, or just let users design their own clothes (we've all seen how quickly mod communities work), or if you MUST charge for the clothes, drop prices by at LEAST a factor of 15-25 and for chrissake design some better ones, that might reflect what people may wish their avatars to actually wear. If you're stuck for ideas look at what Facebook games are doing with their wardrobes. Think simple, high quantity and cheap. If I got even some of that wishlist, I'd be thrilled and I'd start subscribing 12 months in advance - and probably even donating a little bit of extra money whenever I could just to help CCP re-employ some of those poor lost staff. CCP, you've talked to the endless whiners who hate Incarna and want their spaceship game back, now please talk to me. Cheers.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service 2	Posted - 2011.10.22 06:09:00 - [2] - Quote Also for you.. WiS is on backburner now, not taken away or cancelled as was FiS for the last 2 years. Welcome to the bitter noob club. If CCP wouldn't do what they now do there would be no FiS to support your preferred and finished() WiS. ()finished as I understand it means: most of the promise features are done - which no doubt will take most of the crew of CCP 1+ years
Oriaita Lee Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2011.10.22 06:11:00 - [3] - Quote "Backburner" is as good as dead given that it's taken them five years to design one room when it apparently wasn't on the backburner.
COMM4NDER Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc 22	Posted - 2011.10.22 06:20:00 - [4] - Quote First, the CQ was utter fail, sure would be cool if all that you mention would be there but nothing was there. They just got into 3 racial quarters. 6 months after release. By doing CQ everything else in EVE got delayed way to much. _Balancing_, New Ships needs to come in _each_ expansion balancing would be nicer to come in waves month to month etc instead of a massive nerf once a year. CQ online is not that easy and would probably stress the servers even more on their knees that they already are. Its not easy as you would think. Minecraft netcode is crappy as already and 1 year after multiplayer release its getting playable (SMP) and CQ is far more than some java project with far more players. Also this game is about spaceships and most of its users play because of that. CCP should follow what most players want and not minority. CQ should get developed slowly and stable and not released with unfinished and buggy releases. In its current state you even se texture issues, crappy models and lame graphical bugs that you only would see in beta release. My two cents, also current direction CCP is going for is ******* awesome! Finaly it seems they got their thumbs out of their buts. Sad that 20% of the WoD devs had to go but looking at it, EVE is their income and they need to keep it up if they want the users to pay. Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more!
Xercodo Xovoni Directorate Not Usually Killing Everyone. 117	Posted - 2011.10.22 06:22:00 - [5] - Quote Just chill....the FiS people won this round already....you will soon have all 4 CQs, play with that a bit in the mean time Start writing fiction about what your character will do once she can walk around the rest of the station or something lol The Drake is a Lie
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service 2	Posted - 2011.10.22 06:23:00 - [6] - Quote Oriaita Lee wrote: "Backburner" is as good as dead given that it's taken them five years to design one room when it apparently wasn't on the backburner. Na.. you don't have the full story on this one. It took them 3 of those 5 years to make their own engine, just to bin it. And the remaining 2 years the development effort was shared with WoD that received a full stop on the tech side and is probably restricted to drawing-board mode for the next 1-2 years. WiS will bake smaller breadrolls from here on, especially as it has to stand on it's own and obviously misses a reason to exist in the first place - playable game content. CCP gamedesigners should be able to figure something out within the next 6 months that can be put into the dev pipeline 12 months from here.. Wouldn't expect anything else.
Oriaita Lee Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2011.10.22 06:23:00 - [7] - Quote Xercodo wrote: Just chill....the FiS people won this round already....you will soon have all 4 CQs, play with that a bit in the mean time Start writing fiction about what your character will do once she can walk around the rest of the station or something lol Been doing that for years. How about they give us the Establishments, scrap everything else and all the "I hate RP" guys can be forced to roleplay wardecs and shooting at each other in ships instead.
Dbars Grinding Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2011.10.22 06:44:00 - [8] - Quote RP in the CQ? With what the cans on the shelf? You would never be able to RP with more than one person the graphics cards would melt into nothing.
Elisia Brey CyberDyne industrial Agency 0	Posted - 2011.10.22 06:45:00 - [9] - Quote Oriaita Lee wrote: Now that infamous door isn't going to go anywhere for YEARS. No. It's gone. Thank you CCP for bringing back ship spinning.
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 9	Posted - 2011.10.22 07:05:00 - [10] - Quote I think its time for the OP to unsub. Maybe CCP will notice. I promise I will, if it makes you feel better.

Flamespar Woof Club 71	Posted - 2011.10.22 07:31:00 - [11] - Quote CCP does not give a **** that you would like them to deliver what they have promised to deliver for the last 4 years. Otherwise they would've at least given us some indication of the future of incarna. Their silence shows that there is no future for incarna. Sad but true. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone.
Severian Carnifex 16	Posted - 2011.10.22 07:38:00 - [12] - Quote say thnx to 20 ppl on forums with megaphones that were louder then all the rest of player base that play the game...
Bless's Minion DuckPus Fightclub 3	Posted - 2011.10.22 07:45:00 - [13] - Quote I am very surprised they made this decision. They seriously didn't realize that most of the bad things that happened when Incarna was launched was because of their own bad deployment and not because WiS is a bad idea? Fail Incarna Launch -> people in favor/neutral to WiS stay quiet (majority) people who dislike WiS make a lot of noise, now having legit arguments. (minority) CCP is talking about how it has learned from its mistakes, but they clearly haven't. CCP just spent the last couple years getting the community excited for Incarna. Nearly all of their advertisements and videos are at least Incarna related. The freaken background of this page is the Captain's Quarters! In spite of what the relatively few loud mouthed people say, who now feel that they have won, (and they pretty much have), this is going to be a disaster for the company and it's obvious. There are many people who have been waiting for a couple years for Incarna/dust, and now when they are almost done, we get a letter from the company saying they themselves don't actually care about those aspects as much anymore. How do you think that makes subscribers feel? It's good to iterate on FiS, but not if it is done like this. Why do I even need to say this, how is this not already apparent to CCP? They say they are considering abandoning the Nex Store? So we are just throwing out decals, tattoos, clothing...etc? wtf? They have spent a year getting that stuff ready and they are just going to write all that off as a waste of time? How about instead, changing the Nex Store so it actually makes sense?( Hint: change the prices/design so it doesn't make the average person feel like CCP wants to rip us off.) Also, honestly how is Dust 514 supposed to be a success without a multiplayer incarna? Especially when it must have been programmed to include Incarna already. Now they have 2 months to slant it back away from the avatar aspects before private trials start? Dust is already being marketed as one of a kind, innovative game. In other words, if it isn't a big success it will be a failure. Dust cannot afford to be screwed with at this stage! Basically, CCP is already in to deep to just stop with Incarna. The solution? CCP should just keep iterating on all three things, (FiS, WiS, Dust). If they are feeling too stretched, then sure, drop WoD, honestly it isn't nearly as important as EVE is to the company.(monetary value and otherwise) If they don't make each of these things a success, they will see serious drops in subscribers. They already witnessed this once, looks like they are going to go back in for a double dip with Incarna and Dust. I can only hope that they have the resources to recover from that. I really like EVE and just want it to be good.
Di Mulle 22	Posted - 2011.10.22 08:56:00 - [14] - Quote Bless's Minion wrote: I am very surprised they made this decision. They seriously didn't realize that most of the bad things that happened when Incarna was launched was because of their own bad deployment and not because WiS is a bad idea? Fail Incarna Launch -> people in favor/neutral to WiS stay quiet (majority) people who dislike WiS make a lot of noise, now having legit arguments. (minority) CCP is talking about how it has learned from its mistakes, but they clearly haven't. CCP just spent the last couple years getting the community excited for Incarna. Nearly all of their advertisements and videos are at least Incarna related. The freaken background of this page is the Captain's Quarters! In spite of what the relatively few loud mouthed people say, who now feel that they have won, (and they pretty much have), this is going to be a disaster for the company and it's obvious. There are many people who have been waiting for a couple years for Incarna/dust, and now when they are almost done, we get a letter from the company saying they themselves don't actually care about those aspects as much anymore. How do you think that makes subscribers feel? It's good to iterate on FiS, but not if it is done like this. Why do I even need to say this, how is this not already apparent to CCP? They say they are considering abandoning the Nex Store? So we are just throwing out decals, tattoos, clothing...etc? wtf? They have spent a year getting that stuff ready and they are just going to write all that off as a waste of time? How about instead, changing the Nex Store so it actually makes sense?( Hint: change the prices/design so it doesn't make the average person feel like CCP wants to rip us off.) Also, honestly how is Dust 514 supposed to be a success without a multiplayer incarna? Especially when it must have been programmed to include Incarna already. Now they have 2 months to slant it back away from the avatar aspects before private trials start? Dust is already being marketed as one of a kind, innovative game. In other words, if it isn't a big success it will be a failure. Dust cannot afford to be screwed with at this stage! Basically, CCP is already in to deep to just stop with Incarna. The solution? CCP should just keep iterating on all three things, (FiS, WiS, Dust). If they are feeling too stretched, then sure, drop WoD, honestly it isn't nearly as important as EVE is to the company.(monetary value and otherwise) If they don't make each of these things a success, they will see serious drops in subscribers. They already witnessed this once, looks like they are going to go back in for a double dip with Incarna and Dust. I can only hope that they have the resources to recover from that. I really like EVE and just want it to be good. What Incarna and Dust have in common ? Where you got that ? Also "sure, drop WoD" pretty much means dropping of Incarna. They are basically same thing. CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough.
Florestan Bronstein The Waterworks 121	Posted - 2011.10.22 09:11:00 - [15] - Quote all that was taken away are your expectations they are not going to remove the existing Incarna content from the game. you should always pay for game based on what it is, not based on what you hope it might become in a few years.
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 102	Posted - 2011.10.22 09:17:00 - [16] - Quote I don't think you guys know what you're talking about. Later on when the time is right they'll focus more on WiS and probably NeX store. Slowing down WoD development doesn't mean they wont do WiS. They didn't drop anything. They just slowed the other stuff down and focused on FiS and Dust.
Bischopt Ice Fire Warriors 1	Posted - 2011.10.22 10:05:00 - [17] - Quote Incarna was released too early and for the wrong reasons. It failed and now it's being slowed down because EVE needs some actual content before everyone leaves.
Large Collidable Object morons. 386	Posted - 2011.10.22 10:10:00 - [18] - Quote So? **** off to second life already... Kthxbye morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding!
JC Anderson Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 1	Posted - 2011.10.22 10:11:00 - [19] - Quote non judgement wrote: I don't think you guys know what you're talking about. Later on when the time is right they'll focus more on WiS and probably NeX store. Slowing down WoD development doesn't mean they wont do WiS. They didn't drop anything. They just slowed the other stuff down and focused on FiS and Dust. Edit: To the OP: It's a bit obvious that you started playing for the wrong reasons. Yeah but at the same time, Hellmar said they "MIGHT" revisit incarna in the future. Which means that unless something changes, its pretty much shelved for the time being. Or at least thats the way I read it. "Hilmar P+¬tursson: We're releasing the racial variants of the Captain's Quarters this year and that's mainly because we had that work completed. It also includes some optimisations and other fixes. I think the community has spoken loud and clear that they want more classical Eve features to come out, and that's the priority for us. Incarna is there, and we might pick it up at some point later down the line, but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to. " EDIT: Actually, it seems like Hellmar changes his mind every few weeks or so... Might be best just to wait and see as opposed to speculating.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol 143	Posted - 2011.10.22 10:19:00 - [20] - Quote Oriaita Lee wrote: I rejoined EVE because of Incarna, and now they're taking it away?!? I'm disppointed too, I was hoping for some fun interaction with my fellow space pilots. It still feels unnatural to te be just a ship. Well next time better act upon what CCP delivers, not what they say.

Aquila Draco 49	Posted - 2011.10.22 10:48:00 - [21] - Quote i am afraid that CCP dont understand some things... 1st. Drop of player numbers is not because WIS... its about CCPs promises they are giving and not keeping 2nd. Expansion that you dont deliver is not expansion and its not guilty for bad things that happen, its broken promise guilty 3rd. Many ppl are expecting WiS for years... you say no... they are not happy at all... 4th. Many ppl that like FiS are not happy if you use development for NOTHING AT ALL... they would not be angry if they see results of that... 5th. Its not smart to get angry one group of ppl... and then the other... you will have one more drop in players then... only ppl that will stay will be that part of playerbase that dont give a damn about future...
Alexandra Delarge The Korova 1	Posted - 2011.10.22 11:45:00 - [22] - Quote Severian Carnifex wrote: say thnx to 20 ppl on forums with megaphones that were louder then all the rest of player base that play the game... CCP have admitted they were at fault. Read Hilmars apology - or do you think that was written for just 20 people?
David Grogan The Motley Crew Reborn 97	Posted - 2011.10.22 11:54:00 - [23] - Quote Oriaita Lee wrote: "Backburner" is as good as dead given that it's taken them five years to design one room when it apparently wasn't on the backburner. if u want to play with virtual dolls i suggest you try Barbie Online Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
ITTigerClawIK Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers 28	Posted - 2011.10.22 11:59:00 - [24] - Quote Severian Carnifex wrote: say thnx to 20 ppl on forums with megaphones that were louder then all the rest of player base that play the game... 20 people? guess it was just only my entire corp/alliance who wanted FIS and not dress up barbie in stations.
Headerman Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx 269	Posted - 2011.10.22 12:00:00 - [25] - Quote Oriaita Lee wrote: "Backburner" is as good as dead given that it's taken them five years to design one room when it apparently wasn't on the backburner. In this case, it is Carbon that was needed. And funnily enough now that its in place, WiS has been started [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img]
David Grogan The Motley Crew Reborn 97	Posted - 2011.10.22 12:05:00 - [26] - Quote WoD's development will be accellerated again AFTER dust 514 has been released and CCP can divert a substantial portion of the dust 514 dev team to WoD to complete WoD while still maintain a smaller crew of devs for Dust 514 bug fixes and expansions. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Caulk H0lster Kazakh Ministry of Wealth Redistribution 10	Posted - 2011.10.22 12:14:00 - [27] - Quote It's cool and all that you wanna play space barbies. However, while you were gettin your dress-up-doll-action on, DROVES of old players were unsubscribing because there are so many problems with PvP, from sov mechanics, to balancing, to faction war, to WELL SO MUCH STUFF, and CCP was neglecting EVERYTHING gameplay related to devote their efforts into designing your space barbies. Problem is, CCP sorta needs those older players with their multiple accounts to stay active, or they suddenly lose huge amounts of income. Not to mention that the longer CCP continued to ignore focusing on GAMEPLAY, the faster people were running for the door. EVE is, was and always will be, a SPACESHIP game. You fly spaceships and blow stuff up. You fly spaceships to trade goods. You fly spaceships to do WHATEVER. If you're sitting in a station more than you're flying your spaceships YOU'RE DOIN IT WRONG. For more rewarding space-barbies action, I would suggest Star Trek Online. Some of those uniforms look very dashing.
David Grogan The Motley Crew Reborn 97	Posted - 2011.10.22 12:26:00 - [28] - Quote Caulk H0lster wrote: And, just in case anyone missed the point: Just because you're loudest on the forums (ahem), does not make you the "majority". Most of the BITTERVETS wouldn't bother posting on the forums because 1. it's pretty useless to try to get CCP to change anything they have their heart set on, and 2. there are far more entertaining places to poast. i dunno about that.... shooting Jita monument and unsubbing seemed to work. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Caulk H0lster Kazakh Ministry of Wealth Redistribution 10	Posted - 2011.10.22 12:28:00 - [29] - Quote David Grogan wrote: Caulk H0lster wrote: And, just in case anyone missed the point: Just because you're loudest on the forums (ahem), does not make you the "majority". Most of the BITTERVETS wouldn't bother posting on the forums because 1. it's pretty useless to try to get CCP to change anything they have their heart set on, and 2. there are far more entertaining places to poast. i dunno about that.... shooting Jita monument and unsubbing seemed to work. It's the unsubbing part that works.
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 102	Posted - 2011.10.22 12:30:00 - [30] - Quote Oh yeah sure that was it. That's the thing that solved all our problems. But after I shoot the statue and unsub what am I going to do after that? Glue wings on to my car and start driving it around looking for a gate to jump through?

Ramma Lamma DingDong Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.10.22 12:30:00 - [31] - Quote One can only hope that CCP will figure out that it is the well established, wealthy, jaded, never happy with anything veterans that are killing the game before they are allowed to devour it completely. Seriously, just try being a new player who has never heard anything about this game. It's not friendly at all. It's the opposite of the definition of gaming which is supposed to be...fun. What makes it so hard to get and retain new players? Other players. What happens every time they try and introduce new features to make the game more "newbie friendly?" Massive QQ and tantrums from, you guessed it, other players. The CSM is a joke who's loudest voice is from one of the biggest griefing guilds known in the mmo genre and they pride themselves on this. They actually base game design decisions on the opinions of these malcontents and ignore completely, the source. This is one worth watching in the future too folks. Apparently the quickest way to affect changes in the Eve universe is to lie, cheat and steal your way to the microphone where you can then impact future policy so that you and your band of thieves and miscreants can further plunder their way to even greater success. So keep allowing them to control the game CCP and keep watching as little by little, the corpse becomes fully devoured. Meanwhile, changes that should have been implemented years ago to bring in newer, less experienced players and to provide them with a game world that actually retains them for more than the trial are going to the "back burner." Old players are leaving and no new ones are replacing them. "OMG fix Nullsec, fix Lowsec, make people come out and pee vee pee, there's nobody out here." Got news for you guys, you ran all of them away. They won't be coming back.
Neve Talie-Ko University of Caille Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.10.22 12:31:00 - [32] - Quote Two observations from a new player/subscriber. 1. Although I have tried the free trial every year for the last five years or so, this is the first time I've put the money on the barrelhead. I've always liked the idea of Eve because I'm an old Traveller buff, but the previous abstact-ness of your character was a put-off. The Incarna character was the difference this time. 2. This is actually far enough for me. I'm not enamored enough of the other people in the game to wish for any further player interaction. I kinda like my CQ to feel lonely and isolated, but that's me.
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition. 126	Posted - 2011.10.22 12:42:00 - [33] - Quote Oriaita Lee wrote: Now that infamous door isn't going to go anywhere for YEARS. I rejoined EVE after a long break so I could finally play the Space Barbie that they promised was initially going to be released in 2008. I was playing the game back then but I deactivated my account after the date for Walking In Stations kept getting pushed back and back, thinking to myself "Typical CCP taking forever to do anything - I'll cancel now and sign up again when they show me that they're actually making real progress on this". I rejoined recently when I heard that Incarna would be out soon. Great, I thought - finally. When they said they'd make the avatar clothes a microtransaction, I was concerned, because I knew it meant no more free clothes in the character customiser and if there's one thing that customiser BADLY needs it's more, better clothes than the ugly 1970s monstrosities in there now, but I figured, "hey microtransactions are the way things are going these days, and most are usually only a dollar or so per item maximum" so I figured it'd be okay. Then when they priced the NEX store ludicrously high (lets face it, the monocle isn't the problem, even the very cheapest items are way overpriced when you look at their cost ratio compared to the price of ships) my heart sunk. 1000 Aur for the cheapest stuff? Try 50 Aurum, guys - look around you at the market (and also look at the EVE market where boots are selling for less than 10 million ISK, a small fraction of their Aurum cost). I knew CCP simply didn't have the experience in this kind of market to get this part right. Still, I had my CQ and they were going to expand it soon so I could meet other avatars, right? Right? Now I read that they're "refocusing" on spaceships and laying off 20% of their staff. I don't see how a mass layoff is going to help them produce anything quicker, but more importantly (for me) it seems that they've given up producing anything outside of the Captains Quarters for now. I can see the technical problems of having multiple avatars in the same space chewing up CPU, but damn, I don't care if they dumb the graphics down to get the result - if it looks like Privateer or Wing Commander, or even Minecraft or Nethack, FINE - but I want to be able to meet other avatars. Preferably wearing some cool stuff without paying through the nose for the privilege. I don't care about ship spinning (my CQ runs fine, graphics card sweats a bit but for me it's worth it), new ships (can barely fly any of the current ones), new features, etc. Bug-fixing is nice, definitely do that - maybe consider a "code freeze" like what Minecraft did recently, and play-balancing is good, especially looking forward to hybrid balancing and not getting a Nyx dropped on me every 2 jumps, but If CCP wanted to make me really happy, they could: * Top priority - some way for avatars to meet, ASAP. Otherwise, all your other Incarna stuff is pointless and will continue to look pointless and embarrassing until you do this. Establishments would be great, but if they must, they can wait - even if it's just one-on-one meetings for now, to save CPU, I'd settle for that. You should be able to at the very least invite one other person into your Captains' Quarters. Don't tell me that would be impossible to code, if it weren't for the EULA a bored fan could probably knock up something like that in a week. * Ditch the NEX store and add the clothes to the character creator, or just let users design their own clothes (we've all seen how quickly mod communities work), or if you MUST charge for the clothes, drop prices by at LEAST a factor of 15-25 and for chrissake design some better ones, that might reflect what people may wish their avatars to actually wear. If you're stuck for ideas look at what Facebook games are doing with their wardrobes. Think simple, high quantity and cheap. If I got even some of that wishlist, I'd be thrilled and I'd start subscribing 12 months in advance - and probably even donating a little bit of extra money whenever I could just to help CCP re-employ some of those poor lost staff. CCP, you've talked to the endless whiners who hate Incarna and want their spaceship game back, now please talk to me. Cheers. Go back to WoW or The Sim3.
steejans nix 0beron Construct Black Core Alliance 0	Posted - 2011.10.22 12:46:00 - [34] - Quote Quote: I rejoined EVE because of Incarna, and now they're taking it away?!? Think the masses unsubbing because of it trumps the 3 people resubbing because of it. Edit to add I thank CCP for returning my chance to spin my ship in dock.
Zendoren Aktaeon Industries The Black Armada 18	Posted - 2011.10.22 12:54:00 - [35] - Quote This is a troll right!?!?! I mean, they cant be people out there that care this much for barbies online... Personally, if you want barbies online, go play 2nd life until CCP can fix the gaping chest wounds in FiS and balance out dev resources between WiS and FiS. I think we can all agree that some major work needs to be done to the game on the FiS part so the game can be fair and playable for everyone. Personally, I'm looking forward to the POS rework and the redesign of the Corp management UI. Both of those plague me daily.
Lipbite Express Hauler 9	Posted - 2011.10.22 13:12:00 - [36] - Quote I re-subscribed 3 accounts in May before Incarna because I expected there will be WiS during 1-3 months. When I've seen insane NeX prices and realized it's all about single jail cell aka "captain quarters" - I unsubscribed. For me it doesn't matter if CCP introduce +4 ships to 150+ already available, it doesn't matter for me (high-sec/C1-C4 WH carebear) if they re-balance supercaps, it doesn't matter for me if they re-balance hybrids (as Gallente I was forced to learn Caldari missles and happy with them), and faction warfare also doesn't matter anything because I'm not a big fan of chaos/blob PvP - the matter is there is no new content planned in EVE for at least 8+ months. And WiS implemented during winter could solve that - so I could subscribe with few accounts for at least 2-4 months. CCP continue to dig its own grave by making one strategic f*k up right after another. Well, good luck!
Myfanwy Heimdal Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc 8	Posted - 2011.10.22 13:13:00 - [37] - Quote Severian Carnifex wrote: say thnx to 20 ppl on forums with megaphones that were louder then all the rest of player base that play the game... If there are only twenty people then kindly list them all. All twenty of them. You will find that you are missing a few thousand.
Ra Vhim Black Bag Ops 4	Posted - 2011.10.22 13:15:00 - [38] - Quote Well.. CCP kind of hoped that millions of wannabe Eve players hidden out on internet would come rushing when they got an avatar to stare at. They also most likely figured that some old players would leave but it would be a sacrifice worth making for all those millions of players waiting out there to sub up and buy NeX stuff. This hopeful view of the future wasn't really connected to reality. It is good that Eve got some new players (or old players rejoining) because of Incarna, but the truth is that far more left Eve because the game is broken and has been left broken for years. The focus has not been to fix the problems or give us more things to do. I have yet to see a plan for what we are expected to do in Incarna when we get establishments (except roleplaying and staring at and showing off NeX items). I believe this new direction will be good for Eve and I hope they actually will give some thought about what kind of game-play establishments will give the players before they work on it again.
Toros Revoke Revoke Foundation 0	Posted - 2011.10.22 13:57:00 - [39] - Quote I liked the idea of incarna so long as it remained as advertised, that being that once docked I could leave my ship and wander about and meet other avatars if I chose to, thats not what we got and the thing didn't even have emotes, it couldn't do anything it just sat looking bored and sad on a couch in a cell while ccp told us all how lucky we were. Once incarna is 'Finished' I would like to take part in it, I think it would add a cool new element to the game, I am a bit concerned how my machine, which is not ancient and useless, will cope with rendering not only my avatar and its prison cell, but a whole station environment and it inhabitants, I think it might need addressing.. Just my opinion take it or leave it.
David Grogan The Motley Crew Reborn 98	Posted - 2011.10.22 14:14:00 - [40] - Quote non judgement wrote: Oh yeah sure that was it. That's the thing that solved all our problems. But after I shoot the statue and unsub what am I going to do after that? Glue wings on to my car and start driving it around looking for a gate to jump through? nah but glueing wings to a horse and jumping through gates might be more viable Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.

Jashmyne Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2011.10.22 14:19:00 - [41] - Quote Aquila Draco wrote: i am afraid that CCP dont understand some things... 1st. Drop of player numbers is not because WIS... its about CCPs promises they are giving and not keeping 2nd. Expansion that you dont deliver is not expansion and its not guilty for bad things that happen, its broken promise guilty 3rd. Many ppl are expecting WiS for years... you say no... they are not happy at all... 4th. Many ppl that like FiS are not happy if you use development for NOTHING AT ALL... they would not be angry if they see results of that... 5th. Its not smart to get angry one group of ppl... and then the other... you will have one more drop in players then... only ppl that will stay will be that part of playerbase that dont give a damn about future... This post says it all. It is very funny that CCP says they have learned their lesson by doing the exact same thing they were suppose to have learned. The scary part is that the people who want WiS just want a bar and some mini-games and the ability to interact with other avatars and that was pretty much done according to CCP and then they just scrap it. They could have finished Incarna and pleased the ones looking forward to it all in one go and then focused on FiS. It's mindblowing and will make WiS even more expensive in the long run.
Alaura Aquila Caldari Elite Force Apocalypse Now. 2	Posted - 2011.10.22 14:27:00 - [42] - Quote I didn't read anything about CCP scrapping WIS, what's all the hubub? Try not to over react ok?
Caulk H0lster Kazakh Ministry of Wealth Redistribution 14	Posted - 2011.10.22 14:29:00 - [43] - Quote Jashmyne wrote: Aquila Draco wrote: i am afraid that CCP dont understand some things... 1st. Drop of player numbers is not because WIS... its about CCPs promises they are giving and not keeping 2nd. Expansion that you dont deliver is not expansion and its not guilty for bad things that happen, its broken promise guilty 3rd. Many ppl are expecting WiS for years... you say no... they are not happy at all... 4th. Many ppl that like FiS are not happy if you use development for NOTHING AT ALL... they would not be angry if they see results of that... 5th. Its not smart to get angry one group of ppl... and then the other... you will have one more drop in players then... only ppl that will stay will be that part of playerbase that dont give a damn about future... This post says it all. It is very funny that CCP says they have learned their lesson by doing the exact same thing they were suppose to have learned. The scary part is that the people who want WiS just want a bar and some mini-games and the ability to interact with other avatars and that was pretty much done according to CCP and then they just scrap it. They could have finished Incarna and pleased the ones looking forward to it all in one go and then focused on FiS. It's mindblowing and will make WiS even more expensive in the long run. That's the problem m8, they bit off more than they could chew. They didn't think before they acted, and made avatars and environments so detailed that they were then limited how many avatars they could put in one space, and realized only THEN how badly they had screwed up. What CCP advertised Incarna to be would be at LEAST another year down the road. Another year of rejecting to address FiS, and another year of core customers unsubbing, PvP and 0.0 stagnating and everything else that goes along with total neglect of FiS. CCP probably wouldn't BE in this debacle if they could have delivered what they promised, when they promised. But instead, they seriously overestimated themselves, and Hilmar admitted just as much in his letter, when he spoke about hubris. They can't release what they have because it's crap and can't practically work, and they can't spend another year neglecting FiS to make it work. It's time to move on, that's what they're doing. Maybe when the PC tech catches up with the tech CCP built for Incarna, they'll be able to practically revisit the whole thing.
Barbelo Valentinian The Scope Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2011.10.22 14:30:00 - [44] - Quote I've been fully in support of the protests and vocal in my support of the necessity to fix FiS, but I think those who are dissing the whole concept of WiS are yahoos. Of course EVE needs WiS, it needs avatar interaction in stations, it needs an expansion of gameplay in that direction. Even The Mittani supports WiS, it's so obviously a good idea. That CCP have cocked the introduction of WiS is granted, that FiS needs some serious attention is granted, but they should definitely not stop development of WiS altogether, they should expand it into an other form of multiplayer interaction within the game. Had Hilmar not made the mistakes he's spoken about in his devblog and in the Eurogamer article (and brave man that he is for admitting it) there's no reason why EVE couldn't have had both FiS and WiS developed to a much better stage than they are now. It's not the concept that's the problem, it's the way CCP was assigning priorities and developing its business that was the problem. It has been admitted, it is known.
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 28	Posted - 2011.10.22 14:37:00 - [45] - Quote Ramma Lamma DingDong wrote: Apparently the quickest way to affect changes in the Eve universe is to lie, cheat and steal your way to the microphone where you can then impact future policy so that you and your band of thieves and miscreants can further plunder their way to even greater success. Congratulations. Welcome to the real world.
Fulc Dainton State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.10.22 14:55:00 - [46] - Quote Fixing broken stuff - top priority, no argument there from me. New ships and stuff - no argument again, that's just expanding what has been the "core game" up until Incarna and it'll keep the vocal crowd happy. (The anti-WiS faction don't have to play space barbies if they have their own new toys in space, I just wish they'd stop trying to drive WiS even further down the priority list and proclaiming it dead) WiS on the back burner - I'm sure I'm not the only one who was actually looking forward to this obvious expansion of the EVE experience. I think we need a definitive statement regarding just how low that back burner is going to be. I'm happy that ship-spinning is back, but the door is still there for me in stations and this sums it up for me - spinning is there for those that prefer traditional EVE, the door is there for those that want to experience EVE in as many ways as possible. I'm hoping that we all get the EVE we're looking forward to.
Soi Mala Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen 53	Posted - 2011.10.22 14:58:00 - [47] - Quote I too, joined this spaceship simulation game to play dress up and tea parties. How dare they remove tea parties and add to the spaceship simulation?! OHHHH if only there were some other game out there that would give me my fill of prancing around in humanoid form. Get a grip you morons, eve has been spaceships for 8 years, Who the **** are you to expect anything different? It's no different to playing need for speed and complaining that you can't get out of the cars, beat up prostitutes and steal helicopters.
Jerick Ludhowe Shadow Legion Industries Dark Phoenix Rising. 1	Posted - 2011.10.22 15:13:00 - [48] - Quote I'd rather be able to walk around inside my ship than inside a station .
Aidan Brooder Dynasphere Ltd. 81	Posted - 2011.10.22 15:48:00 - [49] - Quote Barbelo Valentinian wrote: I've been fully in support of the protests and vocal in my support of the necessity to fix FiS, but I think those who are dissing the whole concept of WiS are yahoos. Of course EVE needs WiS, it needs avatar interaction in stations, it needs an expansion of gameplay in that direction. Even The Mittani supports WiS, it's so obviously a good idea. That CCP have cocked the introduction of WiS is granted, that FiS needs some serious attention is granted, but they should definitely not stop development of WiS altogether, they should expand it into an other form of multiplayer interaction within the game. Had Hilmar not made the mistakes he's spoken about in his devblog and in the Eurogamer article (and brave man that he is for admitting it) there's no reason why EVE couldn't have had both FiS and WiS developed to a much better stage than they are now. It's not the concept that's the problem, it's the way CCP was assigning priorities and developing its business that was the problem. It has been admitted, it is known. This. What some people here don't get is the fact that both could have been realized as different ressources were working on avatars and FiS mostly. EVE had attracted a whole bunch of new players and - sorry to say that - but when I read the alliance names of the absolutely anti-WiS crew talking about space-barbie crap... I feel like sitting on the lap of my grandpa and he tells me about the glorious times when there were no mobile phones. Only I actually could tell that story to my kids if I had any, since grandpa has been dead for 20 years and I remember that mobile phones were bricks when I was twenty. I think - aside from the leaked letter and the NEX store - both things I was enraged about myself: MANY just leave because they have played this game without interruption for too many years. There is nothing new in it for them and the shiniest newest features will only hold them a few more months. The best indicator for that is: I have played EVE for over four years now with small interruptions and . That is much longer than I played any other MMO. Still many seem to think: If you haven't been there since Beta, you must be a noob. Open up to evolution or see yourself drop out of the game because you finally get too bored without any replacement by new players, because there is no further game evolution and the old playerbase is stagnant and single-minded. And often somewhat arrogant - I don't even exclude myself on that point. Many - definitely not all - new players came and now see that what they came for - a space simulation including multi-player on Avatar base - effectively scrapped. Lets face it: STO stinks, but one of the first things players there cried for was being able to visit their bridge and invite people to it. Because social interaction IS important to many and just being a ship feels weird even to me. Also I wonder how they want to "integrate" DUST with EVE when there will be no fully functional WiS.
Kile Kitmoore 0	Posted - 2011.10.22 16:24:00 - [50] - Quote Quit. If youGÇÖre here for the promise of this Incarna vision CCP has hyped for years it's time to pack it up and just quit. Don't come back until it's ACTUALLY in the game and working. It really hurts me to say that but my last account is on the fence over this latest little CCP nightmare. Aside from something that's been marketed to us for years getting canned I just don't feel good about the method in which I was informed. Yet again CCP leaps over their player base heads out to a media outlet to give us bad news. Hey CCP we right here on your forums, talk to us directly! FiS should have NEVER been sacrificed in order to deliver CQ, note I did not say Incarna because in my view this was never launched. Myself and others tried to warn CCP about developing Incarna without gameplay goals and what we got was CQ. In the end it looks like it was only about the WoD engine and the dimes they could scrape together in the Nex. I don't know what the result of this latest news is going to have on the current player base but if there is another wave of cancels it could be a good thing. A good thing that people stop clinging to this hope of walking around a station and accept EVE for what CCP can deliver, a simple spaceship game.

mkint 171	Posted - 2011.10.22 16:28:00 - [51] - Quote I say it over and over again... if you joined a game for wiggly little legs that doesn't have wiggly little legs, you joined the wrong game. Who's fault is that? Second Life is thadaway --->
Kengutsi Akira 78	Posted - 2011.10.22 16:32:00 - [52] - Quote Oriaita Lee wrote: I rejoined EVE after a long break so I could finally play the Space Barbie A.) 0/10 B.) we really need a dislike button What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
Aidan Brooder Dynasphere Ltd. 82	Posted - 2011.10.22 16:37:00 - [53] - Quote mkint wrote: I say it over and over again... if you joined a game for wiggly little legs that doesn't have wiggly little legs, you joined the wrong game. Who's fault is that? Second Life is thadaway ---> You should learn to read better. I and many others joined this game exactly for what it had to offer. Excellent spaceship simulation. That was years ago and I still find new stuff in space to do. We were looking forward to a new feature which was advertised heavily in addition to that. I will not leave the game, but I will laugh me arse off when it turns out that winter expansion will be a small package for FiS, too, and oh-so wordy "go to second life barbies" idiots like you whine again. Or do I call you and the alliance blobsters "Blue Blobopaths" and tell you that Dark Prophecy is that way --> every time I post? I limit myself to every second time.
Kengutsi Akira 79	Posted - 2011.10.22 16:38:00 - [54] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNWWxD-q-bg Irony, HE hates it too What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
Aidan Brooder Dynasphere Ltd. 82	Posted - 2011.10.22 16:40:00 - [55] - Quote Kengutsi Akira wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNWWxD-q-bg Irony, HE hates it too OK, that was a good one, grant you that!
Kile Kitmoore 0	Posted - 2011.10.22 16:45:00 - [56] - Quote mkint wrote: I say it over and over again... if you joined a game for wiggly little legs that doesn't have wiggly little legs, you joined the wrong game. Who's fault is that? Second Life is thadaway ---> I agree to a point but you do understand that CCP dug this hole by marketing this vision and some people may have joined because they were naive enough to believe CCP could deliver it. I really hate using the word naive because CCP is really good on hype, it's the delivery part they fall flat on their faces. Oh, somebody contact YouTube and tell them to take down the Future Vision video.
mkint 171	Posted - 2011.10.22 16:45:00 - [57] - Quote Aidan Brooder wrote: mkint wrote: I say it over and over again... if you joined a game for wiggly little legs that doesn't have wiggly little legs, you joined the wrong game. Who's fault is that? Second Life is thadaway ---> You should learn to read better. I and many others joined this game exactly for what it had to offer. Excellent spaceship simulation. That was years ago and I still find new stuff in space to do. We were looking forward to a new feature which was advertised heavily in addition to that. I will not leave the game, but I will laugh me arse off when it turns out that winter expansion will be a small package for FiS, too, and oh-so wordy "go to second life barbies" idiots like you whine again. Or do I call you and the alliance blobsters "Blue Blobopaths" and tell you that Black Prophecy is that way --> every time I post? I limit myself to every second time. You're right... I think I'll buy the new Oblivion game for the Invasion of Normandy level. I hope I'm not disappointed.
XIRUSPHERE In Bacon We Trust 35	Posted - 2011.10.22 17:23:00 - [58] - Quote 18 months
JC Anderson Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 1	Posted - 2011.10.22 17:37:00 - [59] - Quote I've wanted ambulation/incarna/wis since I first started playing in 05, but I do _not_ think it should take priority away from other aspects of the game that need to be looked at or fixed. The fact that they were pushing Incarna out when so many other features in the game were either broken, or not working as intended, is what was really annoying me. Hopefully at some point they do continue development of Incarna. But on that same note I also hope that they wait until they can deliver on the pending features and fixes that the game is in dire need of. Especially those that only serve to correct other "dead in the water" and broken features that they have already implemented. Not to mention that the entire idea of releasing 1 room to us as part of Incarna made any sense. They should have waited until the mechanics were in place to release a more substantial WIS build. Because as it stands, I feel like THIS when pigeonholed into my little CQ with no toilet to speak of.
Katsumi Kaminari 3	Posted - 2011.10.22 17:41:00 - [60] - Quote CCP hit Incarna with a nerf bat. Remember kids, if you set your expectations low, you will never be disappointed. In blossom today, then scattered: Life is so like a delicate flower. How can one expect the fragrance To last forever? - Vice Admiral Ohnishi, Kamikaze Special Attack Force

Florestan Bronstein The Waterworks 123	Posted - 2011.10.22 17:46:00 - [61] - Quote Aidan Brooder wrote: This. What some people here don't get is the fact that both could have been realized as different ressources were working on avatars and FiS mostly. there is one resource and it is called money
Aidan Brooder Dynasphere Ltd. 82	Posted - 2011.10.22 17:47:00 - [62] - Quote mkint wrote: Aidan Brooder wrote: mkint wrote: I say it over and over again... if you joined a game for wiggly little legs that doesn't have wiggly little legs, you joined the wrong game. Who's fault is that? Second Life is thadaway ---> You should learn to read better. I and many others joined this game exactly for what it had to offer. Excellent spaceship simulation. That was years ago and I still find new stuff in space to do. We were looking forward to a new feature which was advertised heavily in addition to that. I will not leave the game, but I will laugh me arse off when it turns out that winter expansion will be a small package for FiS, too, and oh-so wordy "go to second life barbies" idiots like you whine again. Or do I call you and the alliance blobsters "Blue Blobopaths" and tell you that Black Prophecy is that way --> every time I post? I limit myself to every second time. You're right... I think I'll buy the new Oblivion game for the Invasion of Normandy level. I hope I'm not disappointed. I don't know... Oblivion has trolls in it I think. You could find a mate & found a family! Then move to Normandy. It is nice there.
Infinimo GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 236	Posted - 2011.10.22 18:13:00 - [63] - Quote people unironically care about WiS more than FiS?
URDEAD2ME Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities 3	Posted - 2011.10.22 18:17:00 - [64] - Quote you should go play swtor when it comes out if your that pissed about no WiS this is now getting back to where it should be all about the FiS .
Euasked School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.10.22 18:26:00 - [65] - Quote So basically you contribute nothing meaningful to the eve community but you are mad you cant play dress-up? You wont be missed.
Euasked School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.10.22 18:28:00 - [66] - Quote Severian Carnifex wrote: say thnx to 20 ppl on forums with megaphones that were louder then all the rest of player base that play the game... How stupid and delusional can you be? They ignored the forum rage completely and only made a change of face when they felt the rage in their wallets...get a clue.
Jhagiti Tyran Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns 10	Posted - 2011.10.22 19:02:00 - [67] - Quote Bless's Minion wrote: Fail Incarna Launch -> people in favor/neutral to WiS stay quiet (majority) people who dislike WiS make a lot of noise, now having legit arguments. (minority) How do you know which side was in the majority? If there are some stats about this I would genuinely interested in seeing them. However I think the truth is very different to the opinion you have posted here. The speed CCP reintroduced the hanger with and Hilmars multiple public apologies show that CCP realised the reception of Incarna, CQs and cash shop was poor. If people supporting it where in the majority as you claim CCP would not be taking such swift and decisive action.
Lindt Elgorriaga Chocolate latex and leather Social Club 0	Posted - 2011.10.22 19:08:00 - [68] - Quote Aidan Brooder wrote: mkint wrote: I say it over and over again... if you joined a game for wiggly little legs that doesn't have wiggly little legs, you joined the wrong game. Who's fault is that? Second Life is thadaway ---> You should learn to read better. I and many others joined this game exactly for what it had to offer. Excellent spaceship simulation. That was years ago and I still find new stuff in space to do. We were looking forward to a new feature which was advertised heavily in addition to that. I will not leave the game, but I will laugh me arse off when it turns out that winter expansion will be a small package for FiS, too, and oh-so wordy "go to second life barbies" idiots like you whine again. Or do I call you and the alliance blobsters "Blue Blobopaths" and tell you that Black Prophecy is that way --> every time I post? I limit myself to every second time. This is a good point. In fact, apart from fixes, FiS will NEVER get to satified evrybody. Balance is nerf, low and null are that way because of players , people will complain again and again for the changes, and so the rest... Too much space whiners here , and biased opinions. the danger for CCP here is going a suposed path wanted for players, that is wanted only for a sheeped group that can go out any momet their leader get bored of EvE or get interested in manipulate another game i'm not specially interested in Incarna, but also it could brint interesting yhings to an awesome game i've been playing for years. what it was in times of war between ascendant and bob, is dificult to bring back, not because of thr game, but because of players Don't consider chocolate as a substitute of sex, consider it as a different pleasure... ...but that won't prevent you from being a pervert
Kengutsi Akira 81	Posted - 2011.10.22 19:12:00 - [69] - Quote We should really stop calling it FiS Dammit there is no FiS its Called EVE. Especially now that WiS is "back burnere"ed We should really stop calling it FiS Dammit there is no FiS its Called EVE. Especially now that WiS is "back burnere"ed
draconothese Independant Celestial Enterprises Pink Fluffy Pussycats 3	Posted - 2011.10.22 19:19:00 - [70] - Quote this is a troll post right XD

Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2011.10.22 19:40:00 - [71] - Quote I don't know if we were ever going to get true WiS since it's obvious now how dependent it was on WoD being a viable product for CCP. The current state seems to indicate that WiS was purely a test platform for aspects of WoD. So, how committed was CCP to the development of a functional and purposeful WiS for Eve? Somehow, I don't think there was any commitment beyond facilitating WoD. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
Kengutsi Akira 81	Posted - 2011.10.22 19:51:00 - [72] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: I don't know if we were ever going to get true WiS since it's obvious now how dependent it was on WoD being a viable product for CCP. The current state seems to indicate that WiS was purely a test platform for aspects of WoD. So, how committed was CCP to the development of a functional and purposeful WiS for Eve? Somehow, I don't think there was any commitment beyond facilitating WoD. Far more indicates WiS was a testbed for WoD: http://www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/ctl/ArticleView/mid/401/articleId/69/New-WoD-MMO-info-from-The-Grand-Masquerade.aspx Quote: Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced. They straight admit to the WoD people that Incarna is a PROTOTYPE And reassure them that WoD will ship with a BETTER engine lol Theres no "maybe" "possibly" or ANY kind of speculation here And its funny how now that WoD is essentially shelved, they see no reason to continue with WiS We should really stop calling it FiS Dammit there is no FiS its Called EVE. Especially now that WiS is "back burnere"ed
Bless's Minion DuckPus Fightclub 8	Posted - 2011.10.22 20:16:00 - [73] - Quote This is just turning into play-style wars. I really doubt there are many people who like WiS and hate FiS, but there sure do seem to be a lot of people who like FiS and hate WiS. CCP wanted to create the "ultimate sci-fi simulation" to appeal to people with different playstyles in order to expand their player base, and FiS people just couldn't handle that. FiS is still the core of EVE, no one is saying that isn't still important! But saying that people who joined the game for Incarna joined for the wrong reasons is just stupidity/trolling. CCP made Incarna and its concepts look cool, people subscribed because of that, and now both the FiS players and CCP(!?!) are telling those people to get lost. New players are now going to start the game in a feature that looks really cool but was essentially abandoned. What kind of company would think this is the right decision? Do they just not have the ability to see long-term? WiS is part of EVE now, like it or not. Only adding the other CQs will not help anything, CCP even said that Incarna won't fit with EVE until it is multiplayer. All people are asking for is for CCP to not go back on their promises, not too much to ask considering all of the foundations are already in place, and their WiS player base is established.......for now. This is a time-sensitive subject! If CCP doesn't make the right decision soon, this game is going to blow up in their collective faces!.....again!
Flamespar Woof Club 72	Posted - 2011.10.22 20:47:00 - [74] - Quote Aquila Draco wrote: i am afraid that CCP dont understand some things... 1st. Drop of player numbers is not because WIS... its about CCPs promises they are giving and not keeping 2nd. Expansion that you dont deliver is not expansion and its not guilty for bad things that happen, its broken promise guilty 3rd. Many ppl are expecting WiS for years... you say no... they are not happy at all... 4th. Many ppl that like FiS are not happy if you use development for NOTHING AT ALL... they would not be angry if they see results of that... 5th. Its not smart to get angry one group of ppl... and then the other... you will have one more drop in players then... only ppl that will stay will be that part of playerbase that dont give a damn about future... Well put. Still waiting for blue bars on this topic. Anyone else finding it interesting how devs are so active on other topic, but this one seems a bit off limits. Enquiring minds are wondering why I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone.
Jovan Geldon Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire 98	Posted - 2011.10.22 21:09:00 - [75] - Quote Incarna can **** off, and so can you. This game is about internet spaceships and nothing else.
Vinterthorn Mostly Harmless Mining Corp 0	Posted - 2011.10.23 02:02:00 - [76] - Quote Jovan Geldon wrote: Incarna can ** off, and so can you. This game is about internet spaceships and nothing else. Normally, I confine myself to reading on the forums only, but sorry, THIS is the kind of mindset that scares people off. What you're doing is just like saying "everyone who just wants to mine and stay in high-sec , plz off", griefing the out of people just because of their very much subjective choice of a playing style. And in my view, scaring people off is quite counterproductive to the principles of a MMO. And, tbh, if you want a game that really is just about spaceships, it is YOU who's wrong in EVE, as there's loads of other games, that will give you just this, and only this. Without new ideas and progress over a cpl of years. A game like EVE, however, can only thrive from supporting player interaction, if it is done right**.
Large Collidable Object morons. 403	Posted - 2011.10.23 02:16:00 - [77] - Quote Vinterthorn wrote: And, tbh, if you want a game that really is just about spaceships, it is YOU who's wrong in EVE, as there's loads of other games, that will give you just this, and only this. I thought I was following the MMO market quite closely, but I must have missed the other single shard, time based training spaceship MMOs outthere. Care to elaborate? morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding!
Azahni Vah'nos Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2011.10.23 02:22:00 - [78] - Quote Vinterthorn wrote: Jovan Geldon wrote: Incarna can ** off, and so can you. This game is about internet spaceships and nothing else. Normally, I confine myself to reading on the forums only, but sorry, THIS is the kind of mindset that scares people off. What you're doing is just like saying "everyone who just wants to mine and stay in high-sec , plz off", griefing the out of people just because of their very much subjective choice of a playing style. And in my view, scaring people off is quite counterproductive to the principles of a MMO. And, tbh, if you want a game that really is just about spaceships, it is YOU who's wrong in EVE, as there's loads of other games, that will give you just this, and only this. Without new ideas and progress over a cpl of years. A game like EVE, however, can only thrive from supporting player interaction, if it is done right**. Hang on a second, so your saying that people should be able to choose their playstyle in a sandbox game ... pure heresy I say. Why would anyone want to have less features rather than more in EVE. More sand in the sandbox, not less. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.
Gael Itrus Aethernity 2	Posted - 2011.10.23 02:56:00 - [79] - Quote Of course we have two years of neglected spaceships, so I'm not opposed to an expansion devoted to that. It's the core of this game that pays the bills, and if it needs love that should be priority. The issue here is CCP's antipodal approach to development. It's just EVE Online, not FiS or WiS or whatever, so why are resources being concentrated on one or the other. You shaft the PVP folks by ignoring their gameplay for two years, then you shaft the ambulation guys by going nova and indefinitely suspending development when your subs drop. Making bots legal and removing high sec missions should just about finish the job
Gealbhan Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline. 47	Posted - 2011.10.23 03:00:00 - [80] - Quote What can I say? The playerbase are like children. They'd rather play with the box (ship spinning) than the toy (WiS). Way of New Eden.

Lateris Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.10.23 03:00:00 - [81] - Quote I think it is kind of funny to call CQ's a failure. I support it. I don't support the vanity store. Players should be able to craft and sale clothes. And ranting kung FU statements are utterly childish- one should consider being banned. The game will evolve even pass our mentality levels whether we like it or not. Ships will always be the focus...sheesh- away with your lasers. Another fine chance for a community to receive new content in Eve Online squashed by the square pegs.
Reverand Pastor Dynasty Ink. 16	Posted - 2011.10.23 03:16:00 - [82] - Quote The lack of understanding and childish antics is sad and at the same time not surprising (bitter vet syndrome). WiS is/was to add players and content to YOUR world. "Adapt or die" is the saying and ccp is attempting to adapt. I know you want to keep your small internet spaceship game small but its a business and as such need to evolve or risk becoming obsolete. People need to seriously stop flaming on the forums for the sake of being a douche. Its like after all these years no one gets that chasing players away is not just harming them.(its a great game) but harming yourself. He posted because he cared about the game you and I play. If you cant see that then maybe EVE really isnt the game for YOU and frankly you are one of the many spokes in this wheel of fail we are all riding on.
Josie Starshine Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2011.10.23 03:20:00 - [83] - Quote The actual number of players (not subs) has been in decline over the last few years but the community still feels it is fine to behave like elitist snobs, chasing away any player, new or vet, if given the slightest chance or provocation. This community is it's own worst enemy and may not fully realize it until it is too late.
Jhagiti Tyran Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns 11	Posted - 2011.10.23 03:22:00 - [84] - Quote Vinterthorn wrote: Jovan Geldon wrote: Incarna can ** off, and so can you. This game is about internet spaceships and nothing else. Normally, I confine myself to reading on the forums only, but sorry, THIS is the kind of mindset that scares people off. What you're doing is just like saying "everyone who just wants to mine and stay in high-sec , plz off", griefing the out of people just because of their very much subjective choice of a playing style. And in my view, scaring people off is quite counterproductive to the principles of a MMO. And, tbh, if you want a game that really is just about spaceships, it is YOU who's wrong in EVE, as there's loads of other games, that will give you just this, and only this. Without new ideas and progress over a cpl of years. A game like EVE, however, can only thrive from supporting player interaction, if it is done right**. The thing is CCP obviously agree with him, they agree with him so much they are sacking staff and are making spaceships the priority. It took CCP a while to come to their senses though, I guess the only reason they did was the horrible reception the first stage of Incarna received. When CCP saw that there wasn't going to be the huge influx of bright eyed and bushy tailed weirdos that where eager to come and play space barbies with their credit cards in hand they finally saw sense. Unfortunately that realisation cost people their jobs, there are other costs as well. The entire "EVE is real" marketing campaign was ruined, they might as well took all the money the campaign cost and flushed it down the toilet because it was completely eclipsed by all the negative press surrounding the newsletter leaks and the outrageous MT pricing strategy. Hilmars apologetic blog and interviews are still attracting all the attention now, so the blog he felt he had no option but to make is a more effective positive headline grabber than the new campaign with all its hard work and shiny CGI trailer.
Flamespar Woof Club 75	Posted - 2011.10.23 04:12:00 - [85] - Quote Reverand Pastor wrote: The lack of understanding and childish antics is sad and at the same time not surprising (bitter vet syndrome). WiS is/was to add players and content to YOUR world. "Adapt or die" is the saying and ccp is attempting to adapt. I know you want to keep your small internet spaceship game small but its a business and as such need to evolve or risk becoming obsolete. People need to seriously stop flaming on the forums for the sake of being a douche. Its like after all these years no one gets that chasing players away is not just harming them.(its a great game) but harming yourself. He posted because he cared about the game you and I play. If you cant see that then maybe EVE really isnt the game for YOU and frankly you are one of the many spokes in this wheel of fail we are all riding on. Well put. I'm wondering if the announcement that Incarna won't be finished will cost CCP further subscriptions. A lot of people have been looking forward to it for years - and I guess will have to continue to do so :( I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone.
mkint 174	Posted - 2011.10.23 04:24:00 - [86] - Quote Reverand Pastor wrote: He posted because he cared about the game. If you cant see that then maybe EVE really isnt the game for YOU. See, that's the problem... EVE is fundamentally broken. No amount of walking in stations will fix it. Not even close. And if EVE is not fixed soon, it will die and never recover. If he cared about the game, he wouldn't be complaining that CCP is focusing on fixing the game. And, if he prioritizes one toy over the health of the game... maybe EVE isn't the game for him. The sad thing is, with all the good stuff posted about the winter expansion, I have yet to see anything announced that will fix what is fundamentally broken. I really hope CCP sees the real problems, the ones that really give EVE an expiration date, and really fix them by the summer expansion at the latest.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 93	Posted - 2011.10.23 04:43:00 - [87] - Quote mkint wrote: See, that's the problem... EVE is fundamentally broken. No amount of walking in stations will fix it. Not even close. And if EVE is not fixed soon, it will die and never recover. If he cared about the game, he wouldn't be complaining that CCP is focusing on fixing the game. And, if he prioritizes one toy over the health of the game... maybe EVE isn't the game for him. The sad thing is, with all the good stuff posted about the winter expansion, I have yet to see anything announced that will fix what is fundamentally broken. I really hope CCP sees the real problems, the ones that really give EVE an expiration date, and really fix them by the summer expansion at the latest. Gawd, where did you come from? You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Seems the majority of posters against WiS just don't get it. And the funny thing is they keep saying how this is a game about flying spaceships yet here they sit in the forums doing what? Definitely not flying spaceships. Actually, they totally missed the big picture due to not being able to pull their heads out of the so called sand box.. Ahhh, that's right, this is General Discussion. The Dream Incarna is a visionary step to turn a simple mmo spaceship simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality. Dust is a visionary step to turn a simple mmo first person shooter simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality. Joining these two totally different control applications together to work simultaneously will create the ultimate real time based sci-fi virtual reality universe. This will open up a whole new era and revolutionize the gaming world as we know it. And when it all comes together, we'll have front row seats on the ground floor helping to make history. Imagine this scenario. While in your Captains Quarters, an alarm activates informing you an invasion force has attacked and captured a PI facility on Planet IV. You call up the Dust Commander and inform him to meet you in the war room of the Command Center to plan a counter attack and regain control. In the war room are 3-D visual maps of the Planet, the PI facility's and surrounding areas. You both examine the situation, verify the enemy position and mark the drop zones for supplies. After forming a plan of attack, you load the supplies into your ship while the Dust Commander rejoins his team who are waiting at the 1st drop zone. With the supplies loaded in your ship, you travel to the planet, enter into atmospheric flight and drop the supplies at the 1st drop zone. While en-route back to the station, you encounter a small blockade of enemy ships. You make a call to your corporation and are quickly joined by a couple of Fleet mates. Small gang PvP combat starts happening in space while the ground forces engage each other. As the battle in space continues, you receive a call from the Dust Commander requesting more supplies to be dropped at the 2nd drop zone. You and your Fleet mates have almost killed all enemy blockade ships when more enemy ships warp in and you find yourself tackled. Dust Commander contacts you again informing you they need those supplies now. Eve is Real This is just one of the many different possibility's that could happen. I for one hope and pray that CCP is successful in making their dream a reality for us to enjoy. To the OP no need to leave. Incarna isn't going away since it's tied in with WiS which isn't going away since it's tied in with Dust which isn't going away since it's tied in with Sony which isn't going away since it's tied in with CCP which isn't going away since it's tied in with Incarna. Look at that, went full circle
mkint 174	Posted - 2011.10.23 04:44:00 - [88] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: mkint wrote: See, that's the problem... EVE is fundamentally broken. No amount of walking in stations will fix it. Not even close. And if EVE is not fixed soon, it will die and never recover. If he cared about the game, he wouldn't be complaining that CCP is focusing on fixing the game. And, if he prioritizes one toy over the health of the game... maybe EVE isn't the game for him. The sad thing is, with all the good stuff posted about the winter expansion, I have yet to see anything announced that will fix what is fundamentally broken. I really hope CCP sees the real problems, the ones that really give EVE an expiration date, and really fix them by the summer expansion at the latest. Gawd, where did you come from? You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Seems the majority of posters against WiS just don't get it. And the funny thing is they keep saying how this is a game about flying spaceships yet here they sit in the forums doing what? Definitely not flying spaceships. Actually, they totally missed the big picture due to not being able to pull their heads out of the so called sand box.. Ahhh, that's right, this is General Discussion. The Dream Incarna is a visionary step to turn a simple mmo spaceship simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality. Dust is a visionary step to turn a simple mmo first person shooter simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality. Joining these two totally different control applications together to work simultaneously will create the ultimate real time based sci-fi virtual reality universe. This will open up a whole new era and revolutionize the gaming world as we know it. And when it all comes together, we'll have front row seats on the ground floor helping to make history. Imagine this scenario. While in your Captains Quarters, an alarm activates informing you an invasion force has attacked and captured a PI facility on Planet IV. You call up the Dust Commander and inform him to meet you in the war room of the Command Center to plan a counter attack and regain control. In the war room are 3-D visual maps of the Planet, the PI facility's and surrounding areas. You both examine the situation, verify the enemy position and mark the drop zones for supplies. After forming a plan of attack, you load the supplies into your ship while the Dust Commander rejoins his team who are waiting at the 1st drop zone. With the supplies loaded in your ship, you travel to the planet, enter into atmospheric flight and drop the supplies at the 1st drop zone. While en-route back to the station, you encounter a small blockade of enemy ships. You make a call to your corporation and are quickly joined by a couple of Fleet mates. Small gang PvP combat starts happening in space while the ground forces engage each other. As the battle in space continues, you receive a call from the Dust Commander requesting more supplies to be dropped at the 2nd drop zone. You and your Fleet mates have almost killed all enemy blockade ships when more enemy ships warp in and you find yourself tackled. Dust Commander contacts you again informing you they need those supplies now. Eve is Real This is just one of the many different possibility's that could happen. I for one hope and pray that CCP is successful in making their dream a reality for us to enjoy. To the OP no need to leave. Incarna isn't going away since it's tied in with WiS which isn't going away since it's tied in with Dust which isn't going away since it's tied in with Sony which isn't going away since it's tied in with CCP which isn't going away since it's tied in with Incarna. Look at that, went full circle I want some of what you're smoking.
Reverand Pastor Dynasty Ink. 16	Posted - 2011.10.23 04:46:00 - [89] - Quote mkint wrote: Reverand Pastor wrote: He posted because he cared about the game. If you cant see that then maybe EVE really isnt the game for YOU. See, that's the problem... EVE is fundamentally broken. No amount of walking in stations will fix it. Not even close. And if EVE is not fixed soon, it will die and never recover. If he cared about the game, he wouldn't be complaining that CCP is focusing on fixing the game. And, if he prioritizes one toy over the health of the game... maybe EVE isn't the game for him. The sad thing is, with all the good stuff posted about the winter expansion, I have yet to see anything announced that will fix what is fundamentally broken. I really hope CCP sees the real problems, the ones that really give EVE an expiration date, and really fix them by the summer expansion at the latest. I agree with you 100%. If you read between the lines of his post he is saying I love this game and have been lied to for the last time (picks up his ball and goes home). I believe he is saying what a majority of players are thinking just insert FW, Null sec, or whatever where WiS is. The game is half finished and has been for a long time. I will admit it is coming to a point where im not sure if i have hopeless optimisim or am right in the middle of a giant ponzi scheme but either way I know he makes EVE just as I do and even though he gripes are different then mine hes still part of my community. To the OP good luck and hope to see you back someday. We'll sit down and discuss whose barbie is cuter. SPOILER: Its mine
Masamune Dekoro School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 12	Posted - 2011.10.23 04:49:00 - [90] - Quote I give OP 3/10. Trying too hard, but that wall of text did take a lot of effort.

mkint 174	Posted - 2011.10.23 05:16:00 - [91] - Quote Reverand Pastor wrote: mkint wrote: Reverand Pastor wrote: He posted because he cared about the game. If you cant see that then maybe EVE really isnt the game for YOU. See, that's the problem... EVE is fundamentally broken. No amount of walking in stations will fix it. Not even close. And if EVE is not fixed soon, it will die and never recover. If he cared about the game, he wouldn't be complaining that CCP is focusing on fixing the game. And, if he prioritizes one toy over the health of the game... maybe EVE isn't the game for him. The sad thing is, with all the good stuff posted about the winter expansion, I have yet to see anything announced that will fix what is fundamentally broken. I really hope CCP sees the real problems, the ones that really give EVE an expiration date, and really fix them by the summer expansion at the latest. I agree with you 100%. If you read between the lines of his post he is saying I love this game and have been lied to for the last time (picks up his ball and goes home). I believe he is saying what a majority of players are thinking just insert FW, Null sec, or whatever where WiS is. The game is half finished and has been for a long time. I will admit it is coming to a point where im not sure if i have hopeless optimisim or am right in the middle of a giant ponzi scheme but either way I know he makes EVE just as I do and even though he gripes are different then mine hes still part of my community. To the OP good luck and hope to see you back someday. We'll sit down and discuss whose barbie is cuter. SPOILER: Its mine You're helping to make me think. :) What, in my mind, is fundamentally broken in EVE is the longevity. With any activity CCP is failing to ask the question "as a user, why will I continue to perform this activity for the rest of my natural life?" If I had to put expiration dates on specific activities in EVE, I'd say there isn't any reason to do null sov warfare for more than 6 months (if you're lucky), FW for 2-3 months, PI for 20 minutes, WIS for 3 minutes, missions for 3 months, incursions for 1-2 months, mining for 2 months, lowsec PVP for 6 months. People may place different values than mine, but people will continue to stretch their activities out for longer than they are worth for whatever reasons, but they can only be stretched so far. For any feature to truly be "complete" it should be worth doing indefinitely. And this is where the winter expansion still concerns me... none of the announced changes extend the longevity of any EVE activities. They may change how an activity done which might give a temporary boost to longevity of any feature, but that is not enough to really fix anything. In any case, there is more that can be done for the health of EVE by extending the life of established features than creating new features that aren't worth playing for a single expansion cycle. That said, I do look forward to the day where walking in a station can keep me busy full time. It would be an interesting way to play. But trying to develop that right now would mean the death of EVE.
Thorn Galen Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 112	Posted - 2011.10.23 05:25:00 - [92] - Quote Mkint wrote :- " That said, I do look forward to the day where walking in a station can keep me busy full time. It would be an interesting way to play. But trying to develop that right now would mean the death of EVE." Precisely. Absolutely correct. +1 The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars.
Reverand Pastor Dynasty Ink. 16	Posted - 2011.10.23 05:32:00 - [93] - Quote mkint wrote: Reverand Pastor wrote: mkint wrote: Reverand Pastor wrote: He posted because he cared about the game. If you cant see that then maybe EVE really isnt the game for YOU. See, that's the problem... EVE is fundamentally broken. No amount of walking in stations will fix it. Not even close. And if EVE is not fixed soon, it will die and never recover. If he cared about the game, he wouldn't be complaining that CCP is focusing on fixing the game. And, if he prioritizes one toy over the health of the game... maybe EVE isn't the game for him. The sad thing is, with all the good stuff posted about the winter expansion, I have yet to see anything announced that will fix what is fundamentally broken. I really hope CCP sees the real problems, the ones that really give EVE an expiration date, and really fix them by the summer expansion at the latest. I agree with you 100%. If you read between the lines of his post he is saying I love this game and have been lied to for the last time (picks up his ball and goes home). I believe he is saying what a majority of players are thinking just insert FW, Null sec, or whatever where WiS is. The game is half finished and has been for a long time. I will admit it is coming to a point where im not sure if i have hopeless optimisim or am right in the middle of a giant ponzi scheme but either way I know he makes EVE just as I do and even though he gripes are different then mine hes still part of my community. To the OP good luck and hope to see you back someday. We'll sit down and discuss whose barbie is cuter. SPOILER: Its mine You're helping to make me think. :) What, in my mind, is fundamentally broken in EVE is the longevity. With any activity CCP is failing to ask the question "as a user, why will I continue to perform this activity for the rest of my natural life?" If I had to put expiration dates on specific activities in EVE, I'd say there isn't any reason to do null sov warfare for more than 6 months (if you're lucky), FW for 2-3 months, PI for 20 minutes, WIS for 3 minutes, missions for 3 months, incursions for 1-2 months, mining for 2 months, lowsec PVP for 6 months. People may place different values than mine, but people will continue to stretch their activities out for longer than they are worth for whatever reasons, but they can only be stretched so far. For any feature to truly be "complete" it should be worth doing indefinitely. And this is where the winter expansion still concerns me... none of the announced changes extend the longevity of any EVE activities. They may change how an activity done which might give a temporary boost to longevity of any feature, but that is not enough to really fix anything. In any case, there is more that can be done for the health of EVE by extending the life of established features than creating new features that aren't worth playing for a single expansion cycle. That said, I do look forward to the day where walking in a station can keep me busy full time. It would be an interesting way to play. But trying to develop that right now would mean the death of EVE. Exactly new ships are supercool but it doesnt change the fact the activity for said ship is broken to hell. T4 T5 T6 whatever. FW is still broken. When that t3 bc comes out i think alot of people are going to be dissapointed. that thing has the smell of running lev 4's or doing incursions all over it. Then were back to square one and EVE is still broken. Thats all i have to add to your post since it was pretty much on key with what i was thinking
Jonni Favorite Sundown Logistics SpaceMonkey's Alliance 25	Posted - 2011.10.23 05:57:00 - [94] - Quote COMM4NDER wrote: First, the CQ was utter fail, sure would be cool if all that you mention would be there but nothing was there. They just got into 3 racial quarters. 6 months after release. CQ was utter fail because it came nowhere close to delivering the WIS people were hoping for: avatar interaction, FPS type pve or pvp for some. COMM4NDER wrote: Also this game is about spaceships and most of its users play because of that. CCP should follow what most players want and not minority. I keep hearing this over and over, but maybe we're playing different games, I see Eve Online not Eve Spaceships Online. This game is about space, and is a space simulator. I don't see how it's ever been defined as anything else than that. Certainly flying spaceships is an essential component but not a limiting factor. COMM4NDER wrote: My two cents, also current direction CCP is going for is ***** awesome! Finaly it seems they got their thumbs out of their buts. Certainly seems they are on the right track but seriously we all need to cut some slack, we wouldn't have stuck with this game for many years (for some) if we didn't enjoy the ride provided so far. COMM4NDER wrote:** Sad that 20% of the WoD devs had to go but looking at it, EVE is their income and they need to keep it up if they want the users to pay. This is unfortunate since the vamp game market is an easy sell and might've created enough revenue for CCP to re-dedicate itself to EO without canning 20% of their staff, sigh..
THERisingPHOENIX Phantom Fenix 0	Posted - 2011.10.23 06:00:00 - [95] - Quote I really need to stop going to the forum and reading **** threads lol
Kengutsi Akira 82	Posted - 2011.10.23 06:07:00 - [96] - Quote Kengutsi Akira wrote: Mr Kidd wrote: I don't know if we were ever going to get true WiS since it's obvious now how dependent it was on WoD being a viable product for CCP. The current state seems to indicate that WiS was purely a test platform for aspects of WoD. So, how committed was CCP to the development of a functional and purposeful WiS for Eve? Somehow, I don't think there was any commitment beyond facilitating WoD. Far more indicates WiS was a testbed for WoD: http://www.wodnews.net/Home/tabid/41/ctl/ArticleView/mid/401/articleId/69/New-WoD-MMO-info-from-The-Grand-Masquerade.aspx Quote: Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced. They straight admit to the WoD people that Incarna is a PROTOTYPE And reassure them that WoD will ship with a BETTER engine lol Theres no "maybe" "possibly" or ANY kind of speculation here And its funny how now that WoD is essentially shelved, they see no reason to continue with WiS WHY WiS got shelved We should really stop calling it FiS Dammit there is no FiS its Called EVE. Especially now that WiS is "back burnere"ed
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition. 129	Posted - 2011.10.23 06:20:00 - [97] - Quote WiS faggots need to leave this game. You lost the war. Give up.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service 18	Posted - 2011.10.23 06:38:00 - [98] - Quote Rhaegor Stormborn wrote: WiS faggots need to leave this game. You lost the war. Give up. na, they were forced into loosing a battle they couldn't win for the circumstances CCP put the whole campaign in, but sooner or later there will be interacting avatars on stations and the war you speak of (your world is just black and white, right?) will be won by the WiS faggots (though, it will only be you who would put it like that - most people would welcome the additional depth to the game). Enjoy your simple world.
Kengutsi Akira 82	Posted - 2011.10.23 06:58:00 - [99] - Quote Rhaegor Stormborn wrote: WiS faggots need to leave this game. You lost the war. Give up. see sig We should really stop calling it FiS Dammit there is no FiS its Called EVE. Especially now that WiS is "back burnere"ed
Sri Nova Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2011.10.23 07:27:00 - [100] - Quote Oriaita Lee wrote: "Backburner" is as good as dead given that it's taken them five years to design one room when it apparently wasn't on the backburner. EXACTLY .. you really think there was more content after the captain quarters ?

Hannibal Ord Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 3	Posted - 2011.10.23 07:38:00 - [101] - Quote To be honest EVE as it stands (the Flying in Space) is not yet finished and this is the problem. To form an example, if anyone here plays WOT that game too is not finished...but that game is new. It is still in Beta. The flying in space part needs to be finished and fully featured. We are talking sov, blasters, faction warfare, incursions etc etc. Every aspect of this game needs to be improved.
Eko Fromtv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.10.23 08:17:00 - [102] - Quote I care about Incarna. It's the reason i signed up. The new CQs will do for now, but scrapping Establishments is a bad idea. Miner for life.
Flamespar Woof Club 75	Posted - 2011.10.23 08:40:00 - [103] - Quote Eko Fromtv wrote: I care about Incarna. It's the reason i signed up. The new CQs will do for now, but scrapping Establishments is a bad idea. Agreed. Especially considering in a devblog they implied that they were just about ready to go, now they are years away. Honestly WTF? Given the amount of misinformation in the past I don't know why players are so excited about the refocus on FiS. I can cite numerous examples of CCP making big promises than under delivering. WTB. Clarification on the future of Establishments. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone.
Pent'nor Pent'nor Independent Gallente Partisan 0	Posted - 2011.10.23 09:11:00 - [104] - Quote I did initially join because of the incarna talk a few years ago. I eventually got bored with the game because I felt no connection to my character, so I left for other games. I would come back from time to time to see whats going on (as I do with atleast a dozen other games) and this last time I was really hoping for incarna, but we got something that was called an expansion, however, it really wasn't. While a fantasic accomplishment of programming and artistic design, it was something that probably should of been never released as an expansion. It was unfinished and many that rejoined or did a trial to check it out, were probably let down because it was just some room. I do support ccp and their vision for what they want to do, but the incarna expansion was so horribly executed that I'm left speechless at times. Although they did a great job in explaining what they envision for the future with little incarna video ads. I really hope that they will come back to incarna after the winter expansion. However, this time do it right. I myself, will probably stop playing again sometime in the future so I can get my avatar fix in another game. I love the internet space ship thing, but it's not enough to keep me playing consistantly as the years go by. I want to feel connected to my avatar, own player shops, sneak up behind people and blast them (or backstab depending on the game), do my stupid emotes, and have dumb achievements to work towards. These are just some of the things I miss when playing eve and if incarna had them, then i'd probably never leave for other games. Maybe when dust 514 comes out, I can get my avatar fix from that game.
Jashmyne Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2011.10.23 10:45:00 - [105] - Quote mkint wrote: Reverand Pastor wrote: He posted because he cared about the game. If you cant see that then maybe EVE really isnt the game for YOU. See, that's the problem... EVE is fundamentally broken. No amount of walking in stations will fix it. Not even close. And if EVE is not fixed soon, it will die and never recover. If he cared about the game, he wouldn't be complaining that CCP is focusing on fixing the game. And, if he prioritizes one toy over the health of the game... maybe EVE isn't the game for him. The sad thing is, with all the good stuff posted about the winter expansion, I have yet to see anything announced that will fix what is fundamentally broken. I really hope CCP sees the real problems, the ones that really give EVE an expiration date, and really fix them by the summer expansion at the latest. That's the thing, even after the winter expansion and any number of expansion focusing on FiS, Eve Online will still be broken. As long as there are features in the game that does nothing it will always be broken. And the presence of the CQs will continue to make it broken until they add a point to them and even there it's a easy fix like for example allowing to invite at max 3 people into the CQ. It would be a good start to something bigger. And before the PVP-crowd comes rushing in, foaming at the mouth going on about the regular nonsense about Second Life or Barbie Online, remember that Eve Online is not about blowing up spaceships. There are various groups playing this game and yours is just one of them and suggest you respect that. I do not care about PI but there are people that do and I respect that.
Kengutsi Akira 82	Posted - 2011.10.23 13:48:00 - [106] - Quote Dammit, quit calling it FiS FiS was a term the developers of the game came up with cause theydgoten so out of touch WITH THE GAME they thought they COULD differentiate between the CORE OF THE GAME and split it into two bits: the whole interactable game and a side game where you walk around Now given how many people turned off the CQ as soon as it was put in, I dont get how the people who want to be able to do crap in the stations as opposed to going out in space and blowing ** (and each other) up, is suddenly a majority of the players. You HAVE to be delusional Jashmyne wrote: Barbie Online, remember that Eve Online is not about blowing up spaceships. There are various groups playing this game and yours is just one of them and suggest you respect that. I do not care about PI but there are people that do and I respect that. If you really think that youre in the wrong game, kid What drives this game, what they advertise more than anything else, **, lool at the "I was there" vid. was it people walking around in a bar getting lap dances, noooooo IT WAS SPACESHIPS BLOWING UP SPACESHIPS lol please, do the rest of this game a favor an move on. Its ppl like you that try to infect other games with the features from other games, only to make the game you play worse in the end. EVE isnt about spaceships lol We should really stop calling it FiS Dammit there is no FiS its Called EVE. Especially now that WiS is "back burnere"ed
Ranzabar Ranzabar's Salvage and Protection Services Inc. 2	Posted - 2011.10.24 02:01:00 - [107] - Quote WiS is a distraction. Eve is a strategy game, not a social MMO or a FPS. WiS kept CCP occupied with development that has no place in Eve. Promising WiS and CQ as part of a larger strategy to merge with Dust cannot be allowed to sidetrack the fundamental fact that Eve is about ships, in space. That's ships...not avatars, in space playing a bad-ass, tough as nails, 3D chess game on steroids. Not hanging around in stations, sipping coffee, watching big screen TV's and making faces at each other.
Flamespar Woof Club 75	Posted - 2011.10.24 02:14:00 - [108] - Quote Ranzabar wrote: WiS is a distraction. Eve is a strategy game, not a social MMO or a FPS. WiS kept CCP occupied with development that has no place in Eve. Promising WiS and CQ as part of a larger strategy to merge with Dust cannot be allowed to sidetrack the fundamental fact that Eve is about ships, in space. That's ships...not avatars, in space playing a bad-ass, tough as nails, 3D chess game on steroids. Not hanging around in stations, sipping coffee, watching big screen TV's and making faces at each other. No. EVE is about becoming a full sci-fi simulator, which includes ships, planets, stations and lots of explosions. This message is pretty much the only message that CCP has been consistent on. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone.
Sara XIII The Helljumpers 12	Posted - 2011.10.24 02:21:00 - [109] - Quote I encourage everyone to vote with their wallet. Also the first 20 levels of WoW are free! Elwynn Forest is beautiful this time of year w/ all the Halloween frivolity going on. Must put those fires out!
Pent'nor Pent'nor Independent Gallente Partisan 0	Posted - 2011.10.24 02:25:00 - [110] - Quote I take eve as it has no end game, no correct way to play it, and can be played in many diffrent ways. A silly statement that everyone already knows. They tried to release incarna before it was ready and everyone that was waiting for it got hosed. Now its time to focus on the space ship part. Its not a big deal as long as they still have someone working on incarna. They can have a focus on one aspect or another, but they don't have to give up on their vision. I would like to see them say they still have a team working on incarna (much like wod), but their focus is on this winters expansion. When the time is right (maybe next year), they can split development efforts between the two aspects. I think to completely ignore the avatar issue is a mistake because eventually some other game will have internet spaceships with avatars.

Ranka Mei TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research. 8	Posted - 2011.10.24 02:30:00 - [111] - Quote Oriaita Lee wrote: "Backburner" is as good as dead given that it's taken them five years to design one room when it apparently wasn't on the backburner. Indeed. It takes them ages to implement stuff they actually are planning. That doesn't bode well for the stuff that's on the backburner. :P And kudos for a good start-post. -- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP
Skunk Gracklaw GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 336	Posted - 2011.10.24 02:36:00 - [112] - Quote Joining eve just for incarna was p dumb.
Ranka Mei TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research. 8	Posted - 2011.10.24 02:43:00 - [113] - Quote Pent'nor wrote: I think to completely ignore the avatar issue is a mistake because eventually some other game will have internet spaceships with avatars. Precisely! See, Hilmar was not entirely wrong with his vision: do ships-only, and at some point another player will come along and offer another 3D WiS space game. Stand-still = death. Also, despite people's near endless hate for Incarna, the Barbie in Space avatars are superior to anything the competition has to offer (think Mass Effect and such). Hilmar's big mistake was not introducing Incarna, but pushing it forward without actual content to justify it. Seems the haters have won, for now. I still feel something potentially marvelous was lost with shelving further Incarna development. -- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP
mkint 179	Posted - 2011.10.24 02:49:00 - [114] - Quote Jashmyne wrote: mkint wrote: Reverand Pastor wrote: He posted because he cared about the game. If you cant see that then maybe EVE really isnt the game for YOU. See, that's the problem... EVE is fundamentally broken. No amount of walking in stations will fix it. Not even close. And if EVE is not fixed soon, it will die and never recover. If he cared about the game, he wouldn't be complaining that CCP is focusing on fixing the game. And, if he prioritizes one toy over the health of the game... maybe EVE isn't the game for him. The sad thing is, with all the good stuff posted about the winter expansion, I have yet to see anything announced that will fix what is fundamentally broken. I really hope CCP sees the real problems, the ones that really give EVE an expiration date, and really fix them by the summer expansion at the latest. That's the thing, even after the winter expansion and any number of expansion focusing on FiS, Eve Online will still be broken. As long as there are features in the game that does nothing it will always be broken. And the presence of the CQs will continue to make it broken until they add a point to them and even there it's a easy fix like for example allowing to invite at max 3 people into the CQ. It would be a good start to something bigger. And before the PVP-crowd comes rushing in, foaming at the mouth going on about the regular nonsense about Second Life or Barbie Online, remember that Eve Online is not about blowing up spaceships. There are various groups playing this game and yours is just one of them and suggest you respect that. I do not care about PI but there are people that do and I respect that. What makes EVE broken is not that there are incomplete features. What makes EVE broken is that there isn't really any one feature worth doing for more than 6 months straight. Go through the time for going through all features until they are not worth doing any more, and I'll bet you've been playing for 2 years. 2 years from rookie to retirement, and CCP has lost a customer. 2 years also is about the same amount of time since we've had devs work on EVE. That's what concerns me about the plans for the winter expansion... nothing proposed makes it worth playing longer than 2 years, except to try out the new changes, then unsub again.
Toshiroma McDiesel Lupus Draconis Dragehund 0	Posted - 2011.10.24 03:08:00 - [115] - Quote Was Eve broken since it first came out? Bugs to be fixed ? I demand that they turn it all back to source code, and restart from there. Nothing new gets added till it is completely bug and exploit free...then add the next expansion, and nothing new till that one is completed.
Kengutsi Akira 89	Posted - 2011.10.24 03:26:00 - [116] - Quote Skunk Gracklaw wrote: Joining eve just for incarna was p dumb. Joining EVE for a feature that was designed as a "prototype" (read: Beta) for another MMO (that is essentially defunct now) Is about as stupid as Ive heard If you joined JUST for Incarna, dont let the door hit you on the ass on the way out moron. We should really stop calling it FiS Dammit there is no FiS its Called EVE. Especially now that WiS is "back burnere"ed
Naari Talvanis Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.10.24 04:38:00 - [117] - Quote Joined in 08 cause I liked what I saw in EvE, something no other MMO was able to offer me, a good looking game with space ship combat sci-fi. Didn't play past the trial the first time after playing for about 2 days because my friend and I had a headache trying to figure out how the hell everything worked. The point where I had to go into the forums to ask about basic game functions and rely on google to fly my ship, was the point I realised that as a semi-casual player this was not the game for me. This is still a complete nightmare though for a new player joining, and probably a major reason alot of people get turned off by EvE. The steep learning curve sets the tone for one's further EvE experiences, and takes a certain type of player to appreciate, agreed, but the steepness shouldn't be defined by having no clue what is going on. And not giving you a manual to your new spaceship. And doing a Men in Black styled memory whipe right after giving you your license to fly. The second major reason I didn't get hooked right away is because, like many people I know, I wasn't able to get out of the damn ship. Did some research on EvE, (and it's potential as an MMO I wanted to invest valuable time and money in) and found out about walking in stations. With (what seemed) working Fan-Fest tech-demo's of pilots walking around, playing a chess-like mini game against other pilots, etc etc. That was enough to pull me in and start playing in advance, even though the stuff was still probably at least a year or 2 away. The game has lot's that I like that has nothing to do with Incarna and it's been enough to have kept me playing since 08 and come to love the game. But still, I want to get out of my damn ship. Not to apply make-up, but because it broke the immersion of playing a spaceship pilot in a vast universe. Doing all manner of things.. I didn't, and don't like the fact that you're basically your ship, all the time. And not just a ship, an EvE ship. Which means it has a very short lifespan and I don't get to bond with my "character" or ship. I can buy a new one in an instant, and there's a big chance alot of people are flying one quite like it. It's a PROVEN FACT that people like to identify themselves within computergames, be different, have more choices when it comes to what they are playing as, or looking at. Secondary outfits in the fighting games of old, unlockable skins in pretty much every (good) game ever made, different paintjob, etc. Just because I could create (in that day and age) pretty diverse characters in the first unreal tournament didn't mean the game suddenly was about fasion shows for me. Was nice to at least look different than the other 10 people jumping and shooting their way through my screen though.. Just like it was just a little bit better to kick as with scorpion in his non-standard outfit, and have a kickass armor or car in other multiplayer games. In EvE, ships often don't last long, are easily replaced, can all be flown by everyone who has half a brain, look exactly the same, and don't feel like "me", but like "that rifter I just bought and am about to let die in a fire somewhere." Because EvE is so much more than simply blowing up spaceships, it's important for alot of people to have something to identify themselves with ingame. Industrialists, bankers, diplomats, PI players, logistics people, researchers, etc do so much more than simply fly around shooting and loosing ships in mind-numbing repetition. Because that's what it would become if EvE didn't have ALOT more content and different factors to consider, eventually leading to violence. Boring. That's why you don't play that 3 year old multiplayer FPS anymore. There's a new one out that offers more or less the same.. but shinier.. and in a new setting. Hell even people who mostly PvP in combat ships (cause marketing, manufacturing, etc is just as much pvp as shooting cannons) have downtime. Sure you can spend that time spinning your ships, but the option to play a quick hand of poker with corpmates doing the same, checking their skills, working their spreadsheets would be welcome right? While still being ingame? Checking stuff out and working out a plan with your corpmates on the starmap without having to resort to massive linkage and external sites like dotlan. The possibilities are endless. And even if you still feel comfortable sitting in your ship in a hangar with other options available, shouldn't mean a ship manufacturer should be forced to sit in his, looking at a freighter he uses once a month to move some stuff around. As it stands, Flying In Space should be the foundation on which all of that is built, YES, but nothing but FiS will reject a major playerbase that can be valuable to EvE in many other ways (beartears, bankers, industrialists, researchers, truckdrivers, pvp pilots, SUB-MONEY, etc.) . Because it's only a matter of time untill a new spaceships MMO lands on the market, possibly doing it better. I hope EvE is still interesting over the long term due to game mechanics and being able to invest in the game over time by then. I still love the game, and don't mind them focussing on some dire-needed FiS improvements/repairs this winter, but ditching Incarna entirely or for an extended period of time would be a mistake as I see it. Even more so cause what little we have now would go stale. They just released it in the dumbest way ever* and alot of people have the right to be pissed off.. No establishments would've been okay, but OPTIONAL and all 4 quarters like it's at least out of beta TO BEGIN WITH.
Naari Talvanis Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.10.24 04:39:00 - [118] - Quote Doublepost. Forum's are working as intended.
Shu Jia House of Nim-Lhach 0	Posted - 2011.10.24 05:50:00 - [119] - Quote Naari Talvanis wrote: Joined in 08 cause I liked what I saw in EvE, something no other MMO was able to offer me, a good looking game with space ship combat sci-fi. Didn't play past the trial the first time after playing for about 2 days because my friend and I had a headache trying to figure out how the hell everything worked. The point where I had to go into the forums to ask about basic game functions and rely on google to fly my ship, was the point I realised that as a semi-casual player this was not the game for me. This is still a complete nightmare though for a new player joining, and probably a major reason alot of people get turned off by EvE. The steep learning curve sets the tone for one's further EvE experiences, and takes a certain type of player to appreciate, agreed, but the steepness shouldn't be defined by having no clue what is going on. And not giving you a manual to your new spaceship. And doing a Men in Black styled memory whipe right after giving you your license to fly. The second major reason I didn't get hooked right away is because, like many people I know, I wasn't able to get out of the damn ship. Did some research on EvE, (and it's potential as an MMO I wanted to invest valuable time and money in) and found out about walking in stations. With (what seemed) working Fan-Fest tech-demo's of pilots walking around, playing a chess-like mini game against other pilots, etc etc. That was enough to pull me in and start playing in advance, even though the stuff was still probably at least a year or 2 away. The game has lot's that I like that has nothing to do with Incarna and it's been enough to have kept me playing since 08 and come to love the game. But still, I want to get out of my damn ship. Not to apply make-up, but because it broke the immersion of playing a spaceship pilot in a vast universe. Doing all manner of things.. I didn't, and don't like the fact that you're basically your ship, all the time. And not just a ship, an EvE ship. Which means it has a very short lifespan and I don't get to bond with my "character" or ship. I can buy a new one in an instant, and there's a big chance alot of people are flying one quite like it. It's a PROVEN FACT that people like to identify themselves within computergames, be different, have more choices when it comes to what they are playing as, or looking at. Secondary outfits in the fighting games of old, unlockable skins in pretty much every (good) game ever made, different paintjob, etc. Just because I could create (in that day and age) pretty diverse characters in the first unreal tournament didn't mean the game suddenly was about fasion shows for me. Was nice to at least look different than the other 10 people jumping and shooting their way through my screen though.. Just like it was just a little bit better to kick as with scorpion in his non-standard outfit, and have a kickass armor or car in other multiplayer games. In EvE, ships often don't last long, are easily replaced, can all be flown by everyone who has half a brain, look exactly the same, and don't feel like "me", but like "that rifter I just bought and am about to let die in a fire somewhere." Because EvE is so much more than simply blowing up spaceships, it's important for alot of people to have something to identify themselves with ingame. Industrialists, bankers, diplomats, PI players, logistics people, researchers, etc do so much more than simply fly around shooting and loosing ships in mind-numbing repetition. Because that's what it would become if EvE didn't have ALOT more content and different factors to consider, eventually leading to violence. Boring. That's why you don't play that 3 year old multiplayer FPS anymore. There's a new one out that offers more or less the same.. but shinier.. and in a new setting. Hell even people who mostly PvP in combat ships (cause marketing, manufacturing, etc is just as much pvp as shooting cannons) have downtime. Sure you can spend that time spinning your ships, but the option to play a quick hand of poker with corpmates doing the same, checking their skills, working their spreadsheets would be welcome right? While still being ingame? Checking stuff out and working out a plan with your corpmates on the starmap without having to resort to massive linkage and external sites like dotlan. The possibilities are endless. And even if you still feel comfortable sitting in your ship in a hangar with other options available, shouldn't mean a ship manufacturer should be forced to sit in his, looking at a freighter he uses once a month to move some stuff around. As it stands, Flying In Space should be the foundation on which all of that is built, YES, but nothing but FiS will reject a major playerbase that can be valuable to EvE in many other ways (beartears, bankers, industrialists, researchers, truckdrivers, pvp pilots, SUB-MONEY, etc.) . Because it's only a matter of time untill a new spaceships MMO lands on the market, possibly doing it better. I hope EvE is still interesting over the long term due to game mechanics and being able to invest in the game over time by then. I still love the game, and don't mind them focussing on some dire-needed FiS improvements/repairs this winter, but ditching Incarna entirely or for an extended period of time would be a mistake as I see it. Even more so cause what little we have now would go stale. They just released it in the dumbest way ever* and alot of people have the right to be pissed off.. No establishments would've been okay, but OPTIONAL and all 4 quarters like it's at least out of beta TO BEGIN WITH. thumbs up....for you
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong 132	Posted - 2011.10.24 06:00:00 - [120] - Quote Large Collidable Object wrote: So? **** off to second life already... Kthxbye nerd

xanderh Blue Nova Republic Exile.. 5	Posted - 2011.10.24 07:02:00 - [121] - Quote Quote: or even Minecraft Well, **** you. Minecraft is a beautiful game. The graphics aren't bad, they're just square and pixellated. It looks a lot better than a lot of new games, especially with the new lighting system. The game was made based on being all squares, and everything just fits together perfectly.
Avila Cracko Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2011.10.24 08:48:00 - [122] - Quote i was looking forward incarna too... and now...
Inari Kobayashi Ministry of War Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2011.10.24 11:16:00 - [123] - Quote Originally joined for the FiS but always thought that Incarna would be amazing. Left for a while and the promise of Incarna brought me back around 12 months ago - still here and haven't really begun to scratch the surface of what this game has to offer. There is a huge amount of **** being put up on the forums at the moment about the FiS/WiS debate. The fact is that CCP failed on two counts. First they have not been able to build an engine that can cope with their vision of what Incarna was originally intended to be. Hence the totally failed launch of Incarna (and I suspect the real reason behind scaling back WoD and Incarna recently - they just can't do any of it any time soon even if they wanted to). The second fail (which is linked to the first) is that they had zero content to go with Incarna at the time of launch and without gameplay the whole thing became utterly pointless. This is a huge disappointment and I for one really hope that they are devoting time in the background to fix the engine and enable them to revisit Incarna in a year or two when the average pc out there will be able to run an updated carbon engine in all its glory. If they use this opportunity wisely - give the screaming masses what they want for the next expansion or three and then come back with a properly thought out Incarna expansion with gameplay that is properly integrated into the EVE universe then I would expect the whole FiS/WiS debate to be redundant - it will be EVE.
Severian Carnifex 22	Posted - 2011.10.24 12:26:00 - [124] - Quote incarna is great... and i would like to see it... just... CCP is making too much fouls and ppl express their anger on product... sadly...
Ranzabar Ranzabar's Salvage and Protection Services Inc. 2	Posted - 2011.10.24 23:13:00 - [125] - Quote Flamespar wrote: Ranzabar wrote: WiS is a distraction. Eve is a strategy game, not a social MMO or a FPS. WiS kept CCP occupied with development that has no place in Eve. Promising WiS and CQ as part of a larger strategy to merge with Dust cannot be allowed to sidetrack the fundamental fact that Eve is about ships, in space. That's ships...not avatars, in space playing a bad-ass, tough as nails, 3D chess game on steroids. Not hanging around in stations, sipping coffee, watching big screen TV's and making faces at each other. No. EVE is about becoming a full sci-fi simulator, which includes ships, planets, stations and lots of explosions. This message is pretty much the only message that CCP has been consistent on. Yes, they've been consistent on that message, but they are following their vision for Eve instead of listening to the customers, who could care less about Dust on a PS3 and who just want the best possible all-out 'ships in space' game. (IMHO of course, your mileage may vary)
Soulpirate State War Academy Caldari State 3	Posted - 2011.10.25 03:52:00 - [126] - Quote Ranzabar wrote: Yes, they've been consistent on that message, but they are following their vision for Eve instead of listening to the customers, who could care less about Dust on a PS3 and who just want the best possible all-out 'ships in space' game. (IMHO of course, your mileage may vary) I think they are listening to the customers, and thats why Incarna is still coming, just not in this expansion. I came back to EVE because I felt WiS would add more depth to a one dimentional game, and I am FAR from alone. I think you are way of base in assuming that most customers dont want to see WiS.
Flamespar Woof Club 76	Posted - 2011.10.25 04:17:00 - [127] - Quote Soulpirate wrote: I think they are listening to the customers, and thats why Incarna is still coming, just not in this expansion. I came back to EVE because I felt WiS would add more depth to a one dimentional game, and I am FAR from alone. I think you are way of base in assuming that most customers dont want to see WiS. You sir, have just won the internets I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone.
Issler Dainze Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 96	Posted - 2011.10.25 04:43:00 - [128] - Quote Soulpirate wrote: Ranzabar wrote: Yes, they've been consistent on that message, but they are following their vision for Eve instead of listening to the customers, who could care less about Dust on a PS3 and who just want the best possible all-out 'ships in space' game. (IMHO of course, your mileage may vary) I think they are listening to the customers, and thats why Incarna is still coming, just not in this expansion. Please tell me where you heard that? All recent indications are it is done like dinner. The recent Big "H" interview says something to the effect "clearly all of Eve just wants FiS so we've stopped WiS but someday we may eventually get back to it". If it was still anywhere in plan we would have had at least ONE dev correcting us and telling us it is still coming. Issler
Flamespar Woof Club 76	Posted - 2011.10.25 04:57:00 - [129] - Quote Issler Dainze wrote: Please tell me where you heard that? All recent indications are it is done like dinner. The recent Big "H" interview says something to the effect "clearly all of Eve just wants FiS so we've stopped WiS but someday we may eventually get back to it". If it was still anywhere in plan we would have had at least ONE dev correcting us and telling us it is still coming. Issler I agree. Though you think that CCP would save itself a lot of future trouble if it gave us a frank and honest update on the fate of incarna. None of this fluffy 'we may get back to it' crap. Players are wanting clarification on Hilmars comments mainly. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone.
Issler Dainze Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 96	Posted - 2011.10.25 05:21:00 - [130] - Quote Flamespar wrote: Issler Dainze wrote: Please tell me where you heard that? All recent indications are it is done like dinner. The recent Big "H" interview says something to the effect "clearly all of Eve just wants FiS so we've stopped WiS but someday we may eventually get back to it". If it was still anywhere in plan we would have had at least ONE dev correcting us and telling us it is still coming. Issler I agree. Though you think that CCP would save itself a lot of future trouble if it gave us a frank and honest update on the fate of incarna. None of this fluffy 'we may get back to it' crap. Players are wanting clarification on Hilmars comments mainly. Useful from another thread: CCP Guard wrote: We-¦ve built a lot of solid character tech that can be used for all kinds of great game play in the future. Right now our focus will be on classic EVE game play, as we've committed to, so all that is on ice while we figure out what we want to do with it. And more importantly...what you guys want us to do with it. Issler

Gevlin SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance 11	Posted - 2011.10.25 06:12:00 - [131] - Quote Personally I believe eve needs to Expands on some of the current features Keep FIS going. PI, Faction warfare, Sov System, A couple of new ships, make the current systems deeper. Entice players to revisit the old areas and play with the added tools, which changes those dynamics and keep it fresh. WIS is a major Port that will expand the tools to be used EVE, with out having to deal with the restrictions of being stuck as a "Ship" Taking the game from A cold chunk of metal floating in space ruling the world with Spread sheets to something more tacktile, more intimate. Sadly I think Eve worked to hard in making eve Look Too real, which cost the a lot in assets to develop which left no development time for the Tool Eve would give us to build our own universe. For example if we were able to keep our old avatars, and the work was spent on developing establishments and build the interaction interface. Once a core was completed plus a few extra refines, then the work on Up grading the graphic content, replacing the old with the new. I think this would have gone over best. In summary Eve was putting too many resources into being making WIS the best, Diverting resources from easy to accomplish multiple items to, expensive top of the line feature. PLEASE CCP keep 1 team on expanding WIS. Even if we are only allowed 1 Establishment per station. and only in Low and Null sec. It would be a start. Something for us to play with. The Technology is finally there? Let us WIS lovers sell WIS to the rest of eve, Allow us to play with in it. So Suggest "Tools" to be built to increase the interaction.
Avila Cracko Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2011.10.25 09:16:00 - [132] - Quote i hope that WiS is not shelved... i hope we will see it again after winter expansion...
Ranzabar Ranzabar's Salvage and Protection Services Inc. 3	Posted - 2011.10.25 14:00:00 - [133] - Quote Soulpirate wrote: Ranzabar wrote: Yes, they've been consistent on that message, but they are following their vision for Eve instead of listening to the customers, who could care less about Dust on a PS3 and who just want the best possible all-out 'ships in space' game. (IMHO of course, your mileage may vary) I think they are listening to the customers, and thats why Incarna is still coming, just not in this expansion. I came back to EVE because I felt WiS would add more depth to a one dimentional game, and I am FAR from alone. I think you are way of base in assuming that most customers dont want to see WiS. Maybe, but my opinion is formed from several things, not the least of which is Hilmar's recent statements and CCP's restructuring. If WiS/CQ was implemented properly with content and performance, and the ability to choose how you're interested in playing instead of being forced into the CQ model, this customer backlash would never happened. I just think it was hamfisted the way it was done and CCP heard that loud and clear from a big enough block of players to rethink their strategy. You play how you like it. But thousands of players bailed. Says something doesn't it?
Xoria Krint The Movement 19	Posted - 2011.10.25 14:15:00 - [134] - Quote Cry more newbie. Eve is not about walking around in your avatar. Eve is about sandbox and spaceships. One day you will probably be able to hug your IRL mate in a station somewhere in New Eden - but there is so many things to fix and add before CCP should even think about getting back to Incarna again. Once upon a time CCP knew what players wanted. They where the players. They talked and listened to the community.
Avila Cracko Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2011.10.25 14:47:00 - [135] - Quote how i "love" ppl stuck in 20th century...
Ana Vyr 93	Posted - 2011.10.25 14:52:00 - [136] - Quote Has CCP ever finished a feature in EvE? I know it's an evolving world, but EvE is rife with half assedness at every turn.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 111	Posted - 2011.10.25 15:02:00 - [137] - Quote Oriaita Lee wrote: Now that infamous door isn't going to go anywhere for YEARS. I rejoined EVE after a long break so I could finally play the Space Barbie that they promised was initially going to be released in 2008. what this is I don't even...... I don't care if they dumb the graphics down to get the result - if it looks like Privateer or Wing Commander, or even Minecraft or Nethack, FINE - but I want to be able to meet other avatars. Preferably wearing some cool stuff without paying through the nose for the privilege. I don't care about ship spinning (my CQ runs fine, graphics card sweats a bit but for me it's worth it), new ships (can barely fly any of the current ones), new features, etc. If CCP wanted to make me really happy, they could: * Top priority - some way for avatars to meet, ASAP. Otherwise, all your other Incarna stuff is pointless and will continue to look pointless and embarrassing until you do this. Establishments would be great, but if they must, they can wait - even if it's just one-on-one meetings for now, to save CPU, I'd settle for that. You should be able to at the very least invite one other person into your Captains' Quarters. Don't tell me that would be impossible to code, if it weren't for the EULA a bored fan could probably knock up something like that in a week. If I got even some of that wishlist, I'd be thrilled and I'd start subscribing 12 months in advance - and probably even donating a little bit of extra money whenever I could just to help CCP re-employ some of those poor lost staff. CCP, you've talked to the endless whiners who hate Incarna and want their spaceship game back, now please talk to me. Cheers. this is sooooo not the game for you. can barely fly???? seriously GTFO, you have no business to suggest EVEs direction The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
nahtoh Vanguard Frontiers Intrepid Crossing 2	Posted - 2011.10.25 15:39:00 - [138] - Quote Ramma Lamma DingDong wrote: One can only hope that CCP will figure out that it is the well established, wealthy, jaded, never happy with anything veterans that are killing the game before they are allowed to devour it completely. Seriously, just try being a new player who has never heard anything about this game. It's not friendly at all. It's the opposite of the definition of gaming which is supposed to be...fun. What makes it so hard to get and retain new players? Other players. What happens every time they try and introduce new features to make the game more "newbie friendly?" Massive QQ and tantrums from, you guessed it, other players. Cry me a river, build me a bridge and get the fu8k over it. Its supposed to be a hard unforgiving game, its teh main attraction. lets go over just some of the stuff thats been done to make it better for new players. 1. redoing of the NGE, no issues just make it skipable. 2. increase of skill points for new toons, no issues just make sure things are explained so the SPs don't go to waste. 3. removal of the above and faster skill training times for a period for new toons, again no issues. 4. removal of learning skills (woohoo no more wanting to punch/pod to the stone age annoying "wahh i have to train these skills before any others" clueless dipshits) absoluty no issues. In no way does WIS make the new players life any fecking easier. Unlike that off the top of my head list above. Some of us like the difficltly of this game, back when i started it was a really short (and frankly not that helpful NGE), which triggered my "wow i can do anythign!!!! how cool is this!!!!" reflex. Over all WIS? massive "meh" once I was allowed to turn the damm thing off, not happy when it was forced option.
Pollo Rico Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2011.10.25 15:46:00 - [139] - Quote Severian Carnifex wrote: incarna is great... and i would like to see it... just... CCP is making too much fouls and ppl express their anger on product... sadly... Pollo wonders what is so great about Incarna. Was it station walking? Was it ship spinning(oh wait)? Could be the new sac skin. Anyways what was so great about it? Check this out: Hillmar Interview Hilmar P+¬tursson wrote: ....What becomes of the store and Incarna is something that's not a big priority right now, but there may come a time when it makes sense to revisit that. According to Hilmar, Incarna is not a priority. So get over it. Pollo approves. Pollo he like pie.
Kengutsi Akira Ministry of War Amarr Empire 100	Posted - 2011.10.25 16:05:00 - [140] - Quote Soulpirate wrote: Ranzabar wrote: Yes, they've been consistent on that message, but they are following their vision for Eve instead of listening to the customers, who could care less about Dust on a PS3 and who just want the best possible all-out 'ships in space' game. (IMHO of course, your mileage may vary) I think they are listening to the customers, and thats why Incarna is still coming, just not in this expansion. I came back to EVE because I felt WiS would add more depth to a one dimentional game, and I am FAR from alone. I think you are way of base in assuming that most customers dont want to see WiS. Yeah cause all those ppl in 0.0 are so interested in going to high sec or to low sec or to the station areas in null (instead of doing their thing in their empire) to go play poker... lol ya, you believe what you want Love the web team... I cant quote in a signature now Aidan Brooder: "And then do us all a favour and STFU ok? Because you are worse than The Mittani and the Goons." lol best praise ever

Gevlin SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance 12	Posted - 2011.10.26 01:45:00 - [141] - Quote Well guys I think we need to become the Positive Vocal Community for WIS Show CCP and the FIS Lovers that WIS has a following of Dedicated evangelists who think that WIS needs to Be continually worked on in junction with the multiple other elements of eve. How WIS can Enriched not only the new player as they can now associate with an avatar, but also add depth to the FIS portion of the game. There is only so much a Pod pilot can do from the pod. We shall raise the Flag of GÇ£We need more iterationGÇ¥ like so many other sections of eve. We understand that eve needs to still focus on being a space ship game in order to stand out in the crown, but it also needs to complete with other Forms of entertainment. We need to drop the barriers to entry into eve, the biggest psychological problem of only being a ship is a big one, one where WIS aims to knock down. (learning curve was once it, but CCP has done a great job on the tutorials.) We are not blind like some. WIS is not an all or nothing endeavour: --> FIS needs to become deeper in content. ----> The Sov mechanic need to be played with and expanded on. ----> Faction Warfare needs more meat. ----> PI, is a nice start but is only a skeleton of what it can be. ----> T3 is where the new ships are at, ---->Bugs Need to be continually Reduced ---->etc. We believe there needs to be a slow and steady progress on WIS. In time it will move from GÇ£Nice distraction to apart of the game that FIS lovers can't wait for what WIS will bring to gunner sites.
Elyssa MacLeod GloboTech Industries GloboTech Trade Federation 10	Posted - 2011.10.26 02:01:00 - [142] - Quote Question about WiS: Were they intending to make it so you could walk in POSes too? Cause theres a lot of people in 0.0 that this feature is entirely worthless to then, yes? **** FiS Its Called EVE
Elanor Vega Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2011.10.26 06:28:00 - [143] - Quote Elyssa MacLeod wrote: Question about WiS: Were they intending to make it so you could walk in POSes too? Cause theres a lot of people in 0.0 that this feature is entirely worthless to then, yes? so... 0.0 ppl want it to... and why the hell did megaphones guys kill it then??? i just hate when ppl hate all new and better things... why then you dont still have commodore???
Captain Octanis modro ROMANIAN-LEGION 0	Posted - 2011.10.26 06:51:00 - [144] - Quote i live in null and i cant wait for the full thing. sure the hybrid fix is definitely a needed change! But cant they work on more then one project at a time?
Skunk Gracklaw GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 481	Posted - 2011.10.26 07:12:00 - [145] - Quote Elanor Vega wrote: so... 0.0 ppl want it to... and why the hell did megaphones guys kill it then??? i just hate when ppl hate all new and better things... why then you dont still have commodore??? Hey look at you not knowing what you're talking about
Gevlin SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance 14	Posted - 2011.10.27 01:37:00 - [146] - Quote I am hope that establishments is worked on slowly. As it will give me an opportunity to sell goods at a higher price than bob from the shop at the other stations as I can provide value added to my produces. In null sec I would limit the transactions to be between my corpies and some Items to be sold to blues. This will allow me to place buy orders for my miners and sell orders for my Manufactures of only my own alliance. instead having some Back stabbing ally or Red come by and buy all my stuff and put it on the market at 20% mark up, In the end destroying the the alliance Manufacturing cycle in the remote rejoin of null sec. It will help smaller alliances be self relyant. Also if I am invading a region. Capture 1 system I want to be able to put up an establishment so I can sell supplies to my Blues involved in the fight Allowing us to refuel, recharge locally with out the worry of an Alliance with More Isk than I buying out our entire stock and crippling our advance. Personally I think this will give an opportunity to allow us to show our Consumer loyalty. For example If I was a Miner.... which i am... I say a store selling the same Hulk, The Mittani Store had it for 190 mill isk and the Chribba Store had it for 200 Isk. I would buy it from Cribba as he has done a lot to support the eve community where the Mittani has made a miners life in HIgh sec a living hell. This way I can encourage Cribba to do what he does and Not support The Mittani who may have the lower price.. So this in the End will help the FIS Industry side of eve. As many smart people have said. Eve needs to Focus on FIS, but some effort till needs to be applied to WIS to make it viable. and a Support for FIS. As it stands now, Its Space Barbie.... which .... well falls short for both the FIS and WIS lovers a like. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine.
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition. 135	Posted - 2011.10.27 02:07:00 - [147] - Quote Soulpirate wrote: Ranzabar wrote: Yes, they've been consistent on that message, but they are following their vision for Eve instead of listening to the customers, who could care less about Dust on a PS3 and who just want the best possible all-out 'ships in space' game. (IMHO of course, your mileage may vary) I think they are listening to the customers, and thats why Incarna is still coming, just not in this expansion. I came back to EVE because I felt WiS would add more depth to a one dimentional game, and I am FAR from alone. I think you are way of base in assuming that most customers dont want to see WiS. What exactly is walking around in a station going to add to a game? Are you going to /dance while waiting for a fleet to form up? I mean seriously, what will "walking in a station" provide that is of value to you? Have you played WoW? Have you been in Orgimmar? Do you think standing around a major city in any MMOG is what makes the game? Seriously?
Valkris Arkayne Perkone Caldari State 8	Posted - 2011.10.27 03:51:00 - [148] - Quote Rhaegor Stormborn wrote: ... I mean seriously, what will "walking in a station" provide that is of value to you?... Immersion. That's all. Plain and simple. I want to log on to enjoy being in another universe. I want to, however briefly, pretend I was born 1,000 years from now. I want to explore a space station and get the feel I might get if I were really there (even if only simulated). And of all the games that have come out, CCP has done the ABSOLUTE BEST in creating mood in their universe. It feels alive! The vibe is very rich. The people are passionate. The community is vibrant! I'm dearly hoping that CCP decides to continue development on WiS so that, one day, I might actually have a convincing sim to put myself in when real life sucks.
Elyssa MacLeod Caldari Provisions Caldari State 15	Posted - 2011.10.27 03:53:00 - [149] - Quote Elanor Vega wrote: Elyssa MacLeod wrote: Question about WiS: Were they intending to make it so you could walk in POSes too? Cause theres a lot of people in 0.0 that this feature is entirely worthless to then, yes? so... 0.0 ppl want it to... and why the hell did megaphones guys kill it then??? i just hate when ppl hate all new and better things... why then you dont still have commodore??? eh my POINT was 0.0 ppl WOULDNT want it cause they dont go to stations **** FiS Its Called EVE
Elyssa MacLeod Caldari Provisions Caldari State 15	Posted - 2011.10.27 03:54:00 - [150] - Quote Gevlin wrote: Also if I am invading a region. Capture 1 system I want to be able to put up an establishment so I can sell supplies to my Blues involved in the fight Allowing us to refuel, recharge locally with out the worry of an Alliance with More Isk than I buying out our entire stock and crippling our advance. So they WERE planning on making it so you could walk in POSes? **** FiS Its Called EVE

Gevlin SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance 14	Posted - 2011.10.27 05:20:00 - [151] - Quote err Out Posts... They are quite common now-a-days in Null sec Hell over 20 Stations were built in the last 20 days http://evemaps.dotlan.net/outposts Walking in POS.... Maybe some day in 2020 I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine.
Gevlin SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance 14	Posted - 2011.10.27 05:29:00 - [152] - Quote I am a Null sec Industrialist.(miner) Out posts are important if you want to live out there. Other wise Profit is too hard to come by. I don't trust Parking my 2 Dreads, 2 Rorquals and 3 carriers in a POS. Especially if I have to fuel it. Tried to do the POS only thing for 6 months once, Found my self jumping twice a week to a station 10 jumps a way to buy Cap Fuel and Sell Minerals on the open market. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine.
Gevlin SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance 14	Posted - 2011.10.27 05:38:00 - [153] - Quote As a Dread Pilot and Triage Carrier Pilot I am often Left Spinning my ship in the station waiting for the time I am called to bring the guns or rep the tower, I would love the opportunity to be entertained while spinning my ship... entertained in game. With WIS life streaming of events, even the battle I could be on call for, be streaming live at the bar I am sitting at waiting for my call. Corporate Command Centers. WIS would also allow the tools for a Major Battle Leader to play a Stratagy on how to fight the enemy over multiple systems vs blobbing in 1 Solar System. Using Interactive Star Maps, Direct intel being place on the Stratgy map in real time. As it stands Eve is a Reactive Game when coming to combat, It is hard to run a multiprong attack over only the audio of Skype As A miner I am specialized in Shooting at items that don't move..... There is not much difference between a POS and A Spodumane rock the size of a small moon.... Except maybe the guns if they remember to install some. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine.
Gevlin SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance 14	Posted - 2011.10.27 06:12:00 - [154] - Quote Some say Immersion is what Make WIS strong. I am going to say nope! Sure it is a factor, but it, for me, opens up more mechanics to the game I can play. As a ship, I can only do so much, before it breaks the Immersion/reality of the game. Before it starts changing the look/feel/ way a portion (FIS) of the game is played. Face it Many old vets have a style of play they don't want to give up. On the other hand not everyone plays the same way and giving options on how to play a game in the same universe increases it complexity and depth with out pulling the rug out from the older players. Being able to Get out of the Pod and on to a station it allows me to further bury my self in the Station services tab and provide me with tools that allow me to effect only the world of 1 Station. This will allow people like me to play eve on a smaller scale, a scale that especially beginners, will be able to wrap their head around before diving into the Massive Free market of New Eden which is currently run by 7 year players who make more isk in 1 hour than a newbie can make make in 1 month. As we expand on WIS we will learn ways to make it assist and intigrate FIS to the point that WIS and FIS are one on in the same. Tools I can immediately see useful as a FIS Pilot in Null sec with a station near by equipped with WIS --->Mini Games to allow me to kill time waiting on the call to jump in my capital --->localized market to sell only to selected members so my works does not get highjacked by a jerk --->Command Rooms- Allow Strategic information to be displayed in real time to allow battles to fight beyond just 1 solar system ---> Broad Cast Feeds from Locations to a central entertainment area --->Though the used of Bots and Markers, Player designed Mission systems that will give rewards to achieving the goals of the bots programer. (ie collecting Book marks from patrol locations. Turning in a corps of a Red alliance.) ---> A locations where newbes can be exposed to growing degrees of eve, so they are not over whelmed when they first start. ---> MOST IMPORTANT GÇô Window to view the out side of the station!! For immersion ---> cloths, pets, emotions scripts, beer. Smuggling boosters, Choosing to Just stick with only FIS is like only playing with 1 Monitor. You can do it and a have fun, but why limit you self, especially since you just bought a second monitor one and just needs to be turned on. I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine.
madd0g11 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2011.10.27 07:50:00 - [155] - Quote Elyssa MacLeod wrote: Question about WiS: Were they intending to make it so you could walk in POSes too? Cause theres a lot of people in 0.0 that this feature is entirely worthless to then, yes? You know in null we build and own our own stations right. Keep spinning that ship.
supersexysucker Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group 10	Posted - 2011.10.27 07:56:00 - [156] - Quote So it takes ccp forever to do things so you leave... WiS should be coming "soon" so you rejoin... after saying you know it takes years. You not too bright are you? Rather than waiting for it... you come back when it is not done rofl...


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