This. What some people here don't get is the fact that both could have been realized as different ressources were working on avatars and FiS mostly.

You're right... I think I'll buy the new Oblivion game for the Invasion of Normandy level. I hope I'm not disappointed.

say thnx to 20 ppl on forums with megaphones that were louder then all the rest of player base that play the game...

Fail Incarna Launch ->
people in favor/neutral to WiS stay quiet (majority)
people who dislike WiS make a lot of noise, now having legit arguments. (minority)

You should learn to read better. I and many others joined this game exactly for what it had to offer. Excellent spaceship simulation. That was years ago and I still find new stuff in space to do.

We were looking forward to a new feature which was advertised heavily in addition to that. I will not leave the game, but I will laugh me arse off when it turns out that winter expansion will be a small package for FiS, too, and oh-so wordy "go to second life barbies" idiots like you whine again.

Or do I call you and the alliance blobsters "Blue Blobopaths" and tell you that Black Prophecy is that way --> every time I post? I limit myself to every second time.

I don't know if we were ever going to get true WiS since it's obvious now how dependent it was on WoD being a viable product for CCP. The current state seems to indicate that WiS was purely a test platform for aspects of WoD. So, how committed was CCP to the development of a functional and purposeful WiS for Eve? Somehow, I don't think there was any commitment beyond facilitating WoD.

Incarna is actually considered a prototype, the rendering engine that will ship with the MMO will be much more advanced.

i am afraid that CCP dont understand some things...
1st. Drop of player numbers is not because WIS... its about CCPs promises they are giving and not keeping
2nd. Expansion that you dont deliver is not expansion and its not guilty for bad things that happen, its broken promise guilty
3rd. Many ppl are expecting WiS for years... you say no... they are not happy at all...
4th. Many ppl that like FiS are not happy if you use development for NOTHING AT ALL... they would not be angry if they see results of that...
5th. Its not smart to get angry one group of ppl... and then the other... you will have one more drop in players then... only ppl that will stay will be that part of playerbase that dont give a damn about future...

Incarna can **** off, and so can you. This game is about internet spaceships and nothing else.

And, tbh, if you want a game that really is just about spaceships, it is YOU who's wrong in EVE, as there's loads of
other games, that will give you just this, and only this.

Normally, I confine myself to reading on the forums only, but sorry, THIS is the kind of mindset that scares people off.
What you're doing is just like saying "everyone who just wants to mine and stay in high-sec , plz **** off", griefing the
**** out of people just because of their very much subjective choice of a playing style. And in my view, scaring people
off is quite counterproductive to the principles of a MMO.

And, tbh, if you want a game that really is just about spaceships, it is YOU who's wrong in EVE, as there's loads of
other games, that will give you just this, and only this. Without new ideas and progress over a cpl of years.

A game like EVE, however, can only thrive from supporting player interaction, if it is done right.

Normally, I confine myself to reading on the forums only, but sorry, THIS is the kind of mindset that scares people off.
What you're doing is just like saying "everyone who just wants to mine and stay in high-sec , plz **** off", griefing the
**** out of people just because of their very much subjective choice of a playing style. And in my view, scaring people
off is quite counterproductive to the principles of a MMO.

And, tbh, if you want a game that really is just about spaceships, it is YOU who's wrong in EVE, as there's loads of
other games, that will give you just this, and only this. Without new ideas and progress over a cpl of years.

A game like EVE, however, can only thrive from supporting player interaction, if it is done right.

The lack of understanding and childish antics is sad and at the same time not surprising (bitter vet syndrome). WiS is/was to add players and content to YOUR world. "Adapt or die" is the saying and ccp is attempting to adapt. I know you want to keep your small internet spaceship game small but its a business and as such need to evolve or risk becoming obsolete. People need to seriously stop flaming on the forums for the sake of being a douche. Its like after all these years no one gets that chasing players away is not just harming them.(its a great game) but harming yourself. He posted because he cared about the game you and I play. If you cant see that then maybe EVE really isnt the game for YOU and frankly you are one of the many spokes in this wheel of fail we are all riding on.

He posted because he cared about the game. If you cant see that then maybe EVE really isnt the game for YOU.

See, that's the problem... EVE is fundamentally broken. No amount of walking in stations will fix it. Not even close. And if EVE is not fixed soon, it will die and never recover. If he cared about the game, he wouldn't be complaining that CCP is focusing on fixing the game. And, if he prioritizes one toy over the health of the game... maybe EVE isn't the game for him.

The sad thing is, with all the good stuff posted about the winter expansion, I have yet to see anything announced that will fix what is fundamentally broken. I really hope CCP sees the real problems, the ones that really give EVE an expiration date, and really fix them by the summer expansion at the latest.

Gawd, where did you come from? You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.


Seems the majority of posters against WiS just don't get it.

And the funny thing is they keep saying how this is a game about flying spaceships yet here they sit in the forums doing what? Definitely not flying spaceships.

Actually, they totally missed the big picture due to not being able to pull their heads out of the so called sand box..

Ahhh, that's right, this is General Discussion.




The Dream

Incarna is a visionary step to turn a simple mmo spaceship simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality. Dust is a visionary step to turn a simple mmo first person shooter simulation into a real time based sci-fi virtual reality. Joining these two totally different control applications together to work simultaneously will create the ultimate real time based sci-fi virtual reality universe.

This will open up a whole new era and revolutionize the gaming world as we know it. And when it all comes together, we'll have front row seats on the ground floor helping to make history.


Imagine this scenario.

While in your Captains Quarters, an alarm activates informing you an invasion force has attacked and captured a PI facility on Planet IV. You call up the Dust Commander and inform him to meet you in the war room of the Command Center to plan a counter attack and regain control. In the war room are 3-D visual maps of the Planet, the PI facility's and surrounding areas. You both examine the situation, verify the enemy position and mark the drop zones for supplies. After forming a plan of attack, you load the supplies into your ship while the Dust Commander rejoins his team who are waiting at the 1st drop zone.

With the supplies loaded in your ship, you travel to the planet, enter into atmospheric flight and drop the supplies at the 1st drop zone. While en-route back to the station, you encounter a small blockade of enemy ships. You make a call to your corporation and are quickly joined by a couple of Fleet mates. Small gang PvP combat starts happening in space while the ground forces engage each other.

As the battle in space continues, you receive a call from the Dust Commander requesting more supplies to be dropped at the 2nd drop zone. You and your Fleet mates have almost killed all enemy blockade ships when more enemy ships warp in and you find yourself tackled. Dust Commander contacts you again informing you they need those supplies now.

Eve is Real

This is just one of the many different possibility's that could happen. I for one hope and pray that CCP is successful in making their dream a reality for us to enjoy.



To the OP

no need to leave.

Incarna isn't going away since it's tied in with WiS which isn't going away since it's tied in with Dust which isn't going away since it's tied in with Sony which isn't going away since it's tied in with CCP which isn't going away since it's tied in with Incarna.

Look at that, went full circle

See, that's the problem... EVE is fundamentally broken. No amount of walking in stations will fix it. Not even close. And if EVE is not fixed soon, it will die and never recover. If he cared about the game, he wouldn't be complaining that CCP is focusing on fixing the game. And, if he prioritizes one toy over the health of the game... maybe EVE isn't the game for him.

The sad thing is, with all the good stuff posted about the winter expansion, I have yet to see anything announced that will fix what is fundamentally broken. I really hope CCP sees the real problems, the ones that really give EVE an expiration date, and really fix them by the summer expansion at the latest.