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Hydroxide
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Posted - 2003.08.08 21:26:00 -
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Well that is the problem thankfully it was a artist and not some gm/polaris guy picked up off of beta that is in some carebear alliance like everyone else. Otherwise it would of been magicly given to one of the carebear corps directly and you would never know about it.
I personaly have no problems with storyline / role play stuff my biggest problem comes from the total biastness against the pk corps that has sprung up time and time again.
Corps like TTI and other carebear fruitcakes cry and the devs/gm's bend over backwards to replace there ****.
Yet corps like moo and i am sure mega have a bp vanish tons of ships lost to bugs and other bull**** and it takes a week or two just to get a responce cuz one gm don't like them and tosses the petition to the lowest proirity possible.
Best bet right now in eve is to stay and carebear and never pk cuz if you lose your **** to bugs you can kiss it goodbye now if carebear corp calls exploit or whines boom new ship/equipment. Our corp is about to lose another player cuz they have waited 3 weeks for a responce to a single petition yet the typical responce time is only 2-8 hours. Case and point.
It's all fine and dandy to roleplay but it's another thing to target player groups and help them out.
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Jebba IV
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Posted - 2003.08.08 21:45:00 -
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let me get one thing straight i understand the idea the dev had to give it away.
but hell this is a mmog i bet the devs never played one as they would know how **** works then :o...things like this shouldnt happen period
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.08.08 21:47:00 -
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I don't believe Calladen Nimitz for a minute when he says they don't use the mininglaser.
I bet they strapped it on a huge indy and go thru roids like crazy
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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Aleister Crowley
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Posted - 2003.08.08 22:07:00 -
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J0sephine,
""* no, wouldn't mind losing a ship to much better equipped enemy; no, don't care if it sounds hard to believe.""
It does sound hard to believe especially if it were a case of an employee stepping out of his bounds to introduce the weapons that destroyed you.
""* if one cannot believe the impartiality of CCP employees running RP event, perhaps consequently they shouldn't also believe the game code and scripting is 'clean', being how it's done by the people of the very same company. If we're to be paranoid, at least let's make it a full-blown paranoia.""
Well if it were a scheduled RP event and intended to happen my belief of impartialality would have gone unshaken.
This however was an arbitrary decision made by an employee, so hardly qualifies as RP event.
""* i don't mind the griefers; equaling GMs with exploits (players' abuse of bugged code) and CTDs (direct results of bugged code) is really silly.""
Nor do I mind the griefers but I'm pretty sure a few of the 'yays' here do. Was just pickig the three largest forum "issues".
""* please provide your own, possibly detailed, idea how more advanced items should be introduced to the players. At this point would honestly love to see solution which wouldn't cause at least half of playerbase start the "it's unfair!" riot.""
As I've not the time to go into too much details I think some guidelies to follow would be:
1) Other Tech level 2 stuff first. With improved Tech 2 stuff starting to show up in hard to find places.
2) Rogue Jove ships being spotted in multiple AND random locations that could be destroyed and looted.
3) Stationary Jove encounters where those with improved Jove faction could engage in dialog and or run a mission for them to get items of value. Again something appropriate to a 'next step' tech 2, low end tech 3 possibly.
Essentially I would create multiple avenues to acquiring the technology that fit many of the common playstyles:
Captured
Gift for finished mission
Purchased
Stolen
Found
etc... Something that allows for all players regardless their play styles to work towards and achieve.
""* the research in EVE is not a mirror of research in RL. the background stories provide some good details on this issue. Neither way of acquring new tech in EVE described in those stories is "fair".""
Not sure why you are pushing the "fair" button as this game cannot possibly be ultimately fair. Some people will do better than others through luck and play time. However knowing the rules makes the game playable. Inability to know or a 'no rules' situation makes for nothing but frustration.
""* the RL equivalent of the situation in question wouldn't involve God. It'd rather involve an UFO scooping one up and giving them a lollipop as compensation for sticking a probe up their ass. Which, minus the lollipop part, supposedly happens often enough to make some people wear tinfoil hats and never leave their house."" :s
Actually it would involve the concept of God because what has happened is TRULY un-attainable by any other. In your analogy you are talking physical things. Any technology that UFOs had COULD be duplicated and used against them to secure their technology. Where in this case NOTHING a player can do could duplicate the situation.
Had it been a Jove NPC I would agree with you. However this was an employee doing things that simply CANNOT happen without his direct involvement.
This whole thing was either ok or not. If not then it is up to CCP to reassure it's customers that similar 'not ok' things aren't taking place. If it is ok then tell us so I can move on to another game for the same reason I don't play the lotto or bingo.
'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law' |
Yalson
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Posted - 2003.08.08 22:17:00 -
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I don't believe Calladen Nimitz for a minute when he says they don't use the mininglaser.
I bet they strapped it on a huge indy and go thru roids like crazy
The playerbase surprises me again and again. You are basically calling another player a liar. Did he give you any indication so far that he might not say the truth?
Sheesh. At least that's a bet you're going to lose, it's just going to be a bit hard to prove for either side.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.08 22:42:00 -
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"I don't believe Calladen Nimitz for a minute when he says they don't use the mininglaser.
I bet they strapped it on a huge indy and go thru roids like crazy"
Don't be too surprised Yalson. Its like President Bush, some people don't believe anything he says even if it is obviously is true. Obviously this type of attitude is present here in the game as well.
The brains at work here can't comprehend if you had a device that was one of a kind and knew reverse engineering was coming in the game you sure wouldn't risk it in a ship. I mean even mounted on a battleship there is always risk. From tests the output of this laser was several times more then a standard laser but the fact remains it was ONE laser.
On a personal note I don't lie to people for a living. If your "comments" were roleplaying please let me know and I'll accept that as I am after all a capitalist after money and not some charity case.
Otherwise an apology is appropriate from you although given the playerbase and its comments when this incident first came up (carebear, exploiter, Polaris conspirator, cheater, friend of CCP) I think I can honestly say its not expected.
Calladen Nimitz
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Aleister Crowley
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Posted - 2003.08.08 23:00:00 -
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Who cares if TTI used it? They didn't cheat.
A CCP employee did. That is like blaming a basketball player for not calling a foul on himself. It doesn't nor will it EVER happen. It's not their job.
TTI pays to play like the rest of the eve community and is only bound by the same EULA we all agree to. If it is in game it is up to a ref/GM to call foul period.
CCP cheated, and due to the lack of regard for the instance apparently condones cheating. Kind of cheap if you ask me. Also doesn't seem very business savvy.
'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law' |
Mikka MacKern
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Posted - 2003.08.08 23:26:00 -
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Otherwise an apology is appropriate from you although given the playerbase and its comments when this incident first came up (carebear, exploiter, Polaris conspirator, cheater, friend of CCP) I think I can honestly say its not expected.
Calladen Nimitz
Oh you poor injured little darling. 
Im sure unkie-wunkie Wagnar will make the nasty little boy say sowy. |
Karen de Winter
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Posted - 2003.08.08 23:27:00 -
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Don't be too surprised Yalson. Its like President Bush, some people don't believe anything he says even if it is obviously is true.
Heheheheh. No comment on that, because it's political, but it's given me a laugh.
"You go to certain death"
"All death is certain" |
Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.09 00:23:00 -
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Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 09/08/2003 00:26:08
"Oh you poor injured little darling. "
Not at all. Your reply proves my point about the way some people are. Since I assume real life is often interjected here your reaction clearly shows what type of person you probably are in real life.
I think your words speak for themselves.
Calladen Nimitz
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torfiFrans
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Posted - 2003.08.09 00:24:00 -
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Torfi,
I have to say that I am awed with the artwork that you and your team have produced for Eve.
Thanks Draaven. It should be noted though that it is Reynir Hardarsson who is Art Director / co-founder of CCP and deserves a lot of the credit for the look and feel of EVE.
Torfi
Torfi Frans
eve dev ( lead artist )
CCP
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2003.08.09 09:46:00 -
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CCP cheated, and due to the lack of regard for the instance apparently condones cheating. Kind of cheap if you ask me. Also doesn't seem very business savvy.
You make me laugh Aleister Crowley. You sir are a buffoon that doesn't even merit a responce but i ll answer ya anyway.
T0rtifrans didn' cheat nor did CCP. Accidentally dropping a level 5 tech item as a reward for something doesn't translate to cheating in any book.
CCP being rational human beings, unlike you, made a public announcement and are now quietly and in a nice RP fashion reciftying the mistakes.
People confuse the I PAY = I RULE. When you pay you put your trust into CCP to make this gaming experience enjoyable and fair. They RULE not you. If they want to listen to the playerbase they will if not it's their right not to, however unwise that may be. You just have the option to leave and stop paying. "Also doesn't seem very business savvy" i take this as a "i ll leave threat". Door is -----> way.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Lutok
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Posted - 2003.08.10 01:28:00 -
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I think it's sad when CCP totally unbalances the economy like this. To fix a mistake they give away Miner 2 BPC's.
Needless to say, many people I've spoken to feel this is far from fair. The fix to the mistake is worse than the mistake itself. It would have been better to simply give the players the money the paid for the laser(s) than to do something as absurd as this.
I hope CCP listens to the vast majority of the players and not the select few. I sure hope Miner 2 blueprints are in the upcoming patch. Honestly, screw that, fix the damn CTD's :(
Lutok
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Carmine Tylus
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Posted - 2003.08.10 06:25:00 -
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You people talk to much...
U could be mining bistot right now you know
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SpeedoMan
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Posted - 2003.08.12 06:25:00 -
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fyi - niebelung stats = 148 ore units per activation - ie 60 seconds. Original miner 1 is about 48 ore units per minute. That's only about 3.5x better, not 10x, and you can't even fit this item onto most frigates, it would require a cruiser or a good combo of skills, items, and high level frigate.
Any cruiser can fit 4 Cu vapors, or XeCl miners, or Gaussians, which would add up to approximately 200 - 240 ore per minute. HMMM, who would REALLY be farther ahead here? Do the math... The concern & outrage is understandable... but be logical. If someone was given 20+ of these beams then yes, big problem. 1-2 is nothing. They're teasing you.
Soban... red all the way through and through |
Ruffles
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Posted - 2003.08.12 09:25:00 -
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I would like to thank torfiFrans for having the honesty to come forward and tell part of the story. Its nice to see that in these days. 
I do think that perhaps the fix would have been simpler if:
A) Debit seller of the cash they received.
B) Credit cash back to buyer.
C) Run script to delete item from game.
Perhaps the following which is now history could have been more easily avoided.
Still, I think that the respect should be given to the person for coming forward about this issue.
I just hope that in the future there is some agreement of staff interaction, as things like this could just damage a companies perceived standing with their customers.
Still, thanks for your honest. That means more, as we sometimes don't hear much back from CCP.
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Anla Shok
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Posted - 2003.08.12 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Anla Shok on 12/08/2003 11:50:25
Edited by: Anla Shok on 12/08/2003 11:47:30
to all people saying we mined millions and billions of ore with this 1 laser, we did not.
the item was not used but for the one time for the screenshot.
if you believe me, fine.
if not, dont.
wheter you believe it or not does not change facts.
torfi, thank you for posting this in the first place, i have the greatest respect for everyone who admits a mistake.
the graphics you made for this game are incredible, the models are wonderful and the style of EVE is so good for me that i think i will forever compare other graphics to this game.
thank you for making it.
Anla Shok
Executive, TTI
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Karash Amerius
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Posted - 2003.08.12 13:19:00 -
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Edited by: Dragon Emperor on 08/08/2003 19:21:45
If this time(the 2nd version of your story) *IS* true, then a dev/gm put his personal effect in game to a selected person/corp on a live server, Do I state it correct? If yes, then you were against EVERY MMORPG RULE. period.
Where can I get a copy of this rulebook?
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.08.12 13:31:00 -
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to all people saying we mined millions and billions of ore with this 1 laser, we did not.
the item was not used but for the one time for the screenshot.
if you believe me, fine.
if not, dont.
wheter you believe it or not does not change facts.
I think some people, me included, got a tremendous shock seeing that particular screenshot of dozens of mining ships with the ship taking the screenshot having 7-8 mining lasers with one of them showing the info of the tech 5 laser.
1+1= WTF, all those guys using tech 5 miners ???
Can we now lock this thread and kill all new tech talk please ?
Growing quite fed up with constantly having this blunder from CCP rubbed into my face.
And yes, I know, I don't have to read, but I keep reading cause I hope to see a sparkle of light that will push me back to renew my subscription that runs out in october.
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CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon. |
M4ya
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Posted - 2003.12.23 03:39:00 -
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lol
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.02.03 00:12:00 -
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Please, do not bump old threads.
Thank you 
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
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