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t0rfiFrans
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: t0rfiFrans on 07/08/2003 18:27:42 Ok it looks like I need to come forward and straighten some things out regarding the sick Jovian running around giving Nieblung mining lasers away.
The story goes like this:
Last Wednesday I was chatting in a CSM chat along with some devs and reps from the player community. I showed up as a Jove character to give people a glimpse of how Joves look as we recently finished modelling and shading the Jove Modifier character. While chatting, I decided to undock from the station I was in and was approached by a player Saruu. He asked what a Jove was doing there and I role-played the Jove for a while, while still chatting on the CSM channel. I flew to where he was and orbited to allow for some quality screenshot time. At the end of the session I wanted to give him a souvenir from his Jove encounter and decided to give him the mining laser from the ship, as it was the ônewbieö Jove frigate and I thought a mining laser couldnÆt hurt anyone could it? I didnÆt realize that it was tech level 5 and 10 times more powerful than a regular laser. From what I gathered the laser was available as a rare loot drop anyway so giving it away shouldnÆt be that bad, but I was very wrong there. What happened then is Saruu realized that it was an incredibly powerful item, contacted TTI as they are a large corporation with deep pockets and sold it to them or traded it for something. Anyway TTI got it from him and not from a corrupt Polaris dude, but me: the absent-minded lead artist of CCP Games. The people on the CSM chat yesterday didn't know about this so they concluded that this must have happended by a Jove frigate exploding and leaving its modules behind, because that's the only other way a module like this can get into the game.
I know delegates from the Jove empire have contacted TTI and another player that has also acquired a laser of the same sort by mistake and will meet with them tomorrow to discuss a fair trade, essentially removing the item from the game and giving them something in return (as they paid good money for it, not knowing how it came into the game originally, hence were fair in their trade) which should hopefully make them and other people happy as well.
IÆm of course sorry for causing this stir in the community, as all I wanted to do was to make a fellow role-player happy while idling in a dev chat.
Hopefully the Jovian delegates will come to agreement with the players involved and manage to sort the issue out.
Regards
Torfi Frans Lead Artist CCP Games
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 07/08/2003 18:28:57 I'd love to see what they are willing to accept in exchange for a tech 5 mining laser - a new Megathron?

Edit: I re-read it and got my answer
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:27:00 -
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tears of joy fill my eyes....
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:28:00 -
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What you did wasn't wrong.. hell, if I was the lucky player, I would consider it the greatest treasure ever.
I think many people are either jealous or angry that their enemy has it.
So, one question... its available as a rare loot drop? _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf |

Indesin
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:29:00 -
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I wish the Jove would give me an ANTI-CTD modifier.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:29:00 -
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He thought it was available as a drop but he was wrong.
Read it carefully...like I did 
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:29:00 -
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Do you guys use Macs to create some of the art in the game??
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:30:00 -
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d'oh  _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf |

Halo Jones
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:30:00 -
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nice to hera u say this, but
two things, TTi may have got it fairly, but teh small corp u gave it to, now have a 55million isk advantage ove r those u didnt give it to, give tti their 55 million back, nail the laser and nerf the small corp 55 million to even the scores, otherwise i'll be looking corp compensation as well
afterall we did nothing wrong, yet others get 55million isk ahead
as for
Quote: I didnÆt realize that it was tech level 5 and 10 times more powerful than a regular laser. From what I gathered the laser was available as a rare loot drop anyway so giving it away shouldnÆt be that bad, but I was very wrong there.
is this seriously a rare loot drop or are u incorrect yet again?
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t0rfiFrans
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: t0rfiFrans on 07/08/2003 18:33:06 The item is not available as a rare drop loot.
regards
torfi
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JimmySav
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:31:00 -
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thnx for explaining.
As for the cost of return, im sure that it will be whatever the jovian battleships "suggest" lol Jim'll Fix it For You. ( and you and you!)
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t0rfiFrans
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:31:00 -
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Read: not available as rare drop loot.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:32:00 -
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hehe, just edit your post t0rfi  _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf |

Endureth
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:32:00 -
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That's funny. I understand the misunderstanding completely. Innocent mistake.
-E
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:32:00 -
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55M isk isn't really that much of an advantage these days..it's only 7 proto gauss 250mm's after all 
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:33:00 -
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*shudder*
joshua, your sig is of such poor quality  _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf |

Halo Jones
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:34:00 -
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is it to a small corp trying to attain their first battleship Josh...
Its a hell of a lot
Oberon Incorporated. |

Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:34:00 -
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I'm working a new one: My current silliness over TTi etc clouded my judgement.
Me = big fool.
Me = 
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Endyl
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:37:00 -
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Damn great job on the ships design !
For the rest, a crime made with good intentions is not really a crime. :)
Keep up the good work.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 07/08/2003 18:43:24
"The story goes like this: <snip>"
... Soo-o, whoever came up with that 'young Jove dude getting excited from contact with natives and giving away his cupholder as a gift' story, pretty much nailed it?.. =)
Thank you for the explanation Sir, most appreciated. :)
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Jorev
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:37:00 -
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Thanks for the statement.
It's refreshing to get the whole unadulterated truth. SOE would have refused comment and brushed it under a rug.
Love your artwork btw.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:37:00 -
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What about my Mac Question? I'm just curious.
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AntiHero
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:39:00 -
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Thanks for the explanation, t0rfiFrans. I thought I'd let you know that it was not that big of a deal and that you should not sweat it. ---
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MrGold
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:40:00 -
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all i can say is you can shove the game if any of the corps involved get 'compensated'
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Vae Victis
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Vae Victis on 07/08/2003 19:07:31 Hey Tt0rfiFrans,
Honest mistake, never had a problem with it. In fact, I thought it could have made for a VERY interesting time. A quest for the "holy grail" of mining lasers. Only 1 around...imagine the ship killing attempts with people hearing rumours of what ship had it attached, etc.etc.
Too bad we have such a hyper sensitive, isk obsessed community too short sighted to enjoy the potential gaming opportunities.
Once again...thanks for the entertainment and the response to set the record straight. Love the art t0rfiFrans...please keep it up. Oh, and those Caldari ships...
XOX Vae
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:54:00 -
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I applaud you t0rfiFrans for standing up and admitting to this.
I'm still upset at TTI. They are a smart corp (very), they should have know that level 5 tech items should NOT be in game yet. No excuses, no RPing it away. A corp like TTI does not get that big by being stupid or luck. This miner was tech level 5. Come on TTI, do you really expect us to belive that TTI is real good everying but common sense?
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Ragnar
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ragnar on 08/08/2003 07:42:30 [ooc]
Comments moved and appended to page 7 of this behemoth thread. Thank you. - Ragnar Danneskj÷ld Taggart Transdimensional, Inc.
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Quantum Gopher
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Posted - 2003.08.07 18:56:00 -
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Tech 5 mining lasers as default Jovian equipment...
*sigh*
I think I need an operation...perhaps some DNA...maybe some implants..? 
Q. Gopher __________ I know...it's only ROCK and roll, but I like it!! |

Doc Brown
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Posted - 2003.08.07 19:07:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: t0rfiFrans on 07/08/2003 18:27:42
Last Wednesday I was chatting in a CSM chat along with some devs and reps from the player community. <SNIP>
Quick question, last Wednesday: Is that 06/08/2003 or 30/7/2003?
If it was the first, why didn't you speak up during the CSM meeting where the question was raised.
If it was the latter, is CCP going to be adding any methods to search for items that shouldn't exist? After all, a quick scan of the DB should be able to show all items that are not in a loot table or available on market. _________________________________________________
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plur
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Posted - 2003.08.07 19:07:00 -
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Thanks for clearing this up tor, but i dont think TTI should get anything other than their origional payment back.. which was an apoc as far as i can figure...
When Hellmar stops beating your ears, can you sort the textures out on the back of the scythe and remove minmatar logos from amar ships? 
been bug reporting them since beta... hell if it doesent get to you that way maybe a more direct way will work 
thanks again for posting this, more posts like this on game issues PLEASE CCP. it just so cuts through the BS and lets people know matter of fact and saves all these conspiracy theories.
as others have suggested tho.. this WOULD be a great oportunity to RP some new stuff into the game, or a story of its own... maybe turn the miner into a miner 2? have some joves come ask for it (without using the heal setec 0.5 stuff) and see what TTI do in response?
keep up the good work!
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