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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.08.08 09:10:00 -
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Personally, I think items like this 'should' be in game. Why explore, and look for stuff when you know that tech 1 is the best you will find, and you could have bought it at the station you started at? I explored for a couple of weeks hoping to find a totally uber item like this, before I gave it up, after realising I could get better equipment exploring the cans of NPC's.
It's a shame people are rallying against having 'truly' rare (as in there is only one) items in the game. They would add a lot of spice. And give people more reasons to explore/meet people.
Sadly, no matter *who* gets such a rare item, there will be public outcry.
After this lynch-mob roadshow, do you honestly think anyone is going to admit to having such items any more?
And seriously, it was only 3 times better than a standard one. And it was only one.
Judging from the initial screen TTi posted, do you think one beam with triple the power would actually make much of a difference amongst the 30-40 other beams?
If it could get noxcium out of veldspar, Then there would definitely be cause for argument, but as it stands, the reactions were mostly over the top.
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Needo
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Posted - 2003.08.08 09:16:00 -
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The guy gets to keep the money he sold it for? Then you can just as well let the corp keep the item, the imbalance is not at that end, they got what they paid for. The imbalance is some lucky dood getting loads and loads of isk dropped in his lap.
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Detvig
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Posted - 2003.08.08 09:22:00 -
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I'm just glad to see that hisg tech level and jove content exists and can be added to the live server cluster at any time with out a patch.
Cheers
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.08 09:39:00 -
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"The imbalance is some lucky dood getting loads and loads of isk dropped in his lap."
Uhmm, no... the possible imbalance was providing opportunity for a company to reverse-engineer a very advanced item and flood the market with its copies well before it was in the developers' plans.(as there's still 3 tech levels that have yet to be introduced before lvl.5)
Which, according to offical statements and other posts made by TTi execs, was pretty much what TTi intended to do... :/
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Saladin
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Posted - 2003.08.08 09:46:00 -
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I hope Torfi didn't get in trouble at work over this. I hope it isnt the sort of thing that CCP fire or otherwise punish for
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Decide
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Posted - 2003.08.08 09:59:00 -
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Edited by: Decide on 08/08/2003 09:59:59
Giving every one 55 mil would be daft - it would just have the effect of inflating current market prices.
Why not give the item "durabilty" so that after a set amount of usage it self-destructs. Then we can have a rare "trophy" item that is next to useless. |
Riddari
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Posted - 2003.08.08 10:04:00 -
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What I really want is to throw myself down and conduct a temper-tantrum of the finest quality to see what it feels like to be one of the miserable souls that say "I didn't get one! I want 55m now!".
However that is pointless as I'm alone at my office and the people who should be ashamed can't see me to become more ashamed.
Everyone that says they'll quit over this, please please do. You are clearly not getting the point of the backstory and of roleplaying.
Personally my grievances with the Ayn Rand philosophy (where society is abolished in favor of the jungle law) have made me look at TTI with scornful eyes (the jungle law does work in EVE though, since it's not real life (a shock to the should be ashamed  )).
However TTI have gained more respect from me during this event/fiasco. Kudos to them.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.08.08 11:14:00 -
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On the whole I think some kudos is due for CCP and the artist chap (Torfi) for making the best they could out of the little fiasco. Hearts were in the right place, and the intentions were good, cool, lets move on and cross our fingers that the next roleplaying-orientated event *is* publicised, though as DrunkenMaster says, I do fear there is a going to be some future reluctance to go public with this stuff given past forum reactions and the more violent condemnation of oneÆs peers oftimes revealed.
Re the compensation (55million) everyone-should-have-it-pseudo-rant à itÆs clearly nonsense. The Saruu chap earned the finders fee for having the fortune to come across a ôjovianö à the wit to start a conversation, and the imagination to roleplay with the guy. And for thereby introducing a bit of interest and circumstance into the game world I donÆt begrudge him the isk one bit.
I suggest anyone who does takes a step back and considers the rate at which isk acquisition typically occurs for established characters; when I am ôworkingö productively in-game I typically make 10m isk every couple of hours, and at best, yep could do 55m in an evening personally, and this by relatively routine commerce and marginal endeavours. (And certainly not with the use regional buy-orders either!)
Now a generic explorer character has no such regular income and often spends long periods in fruitless travelling and toil without reward, faces dangers from illegals and brigands, and is thrown entirely on personal resources when peril threatens.
(once upon a time Jericho had such a fellow as a Director of Exploration named ôthe grimpö à he ninja-mined for chump change and explored the far flung systems of eve for rare sights and sounds à once getting podded 13 times by mOo corp for approaching sites of local interest! But never did he find anything of real value aside from the pride of doing these things)
But the point is that these chaps need incentive to spend their time exploring, and the prospect of the 55million ôfindö is the sort of thing that will provide this. Sure, not on a regular basis, and certainly not for the discovery of game-breaking blueprints etc, but for the occasional high-tech item? What really is the problem?
I for one have no issue whatsoever with CCP introducing plot to lone pilots out exploring the environment à itÆs the ultimate balancing quirk of fate that can see a lonely wanderer turned into a galactic personality overnight.
And I certainly feel that something like the 55million ôfinders feeö is not out of kilter with the economic realities of eve at the moment.
What I think this storm of controversy has brought to sharp contrast are the divisions between eveÆs roleplay and non-roleplay communities. And itÆs clearly something that sticks in the craw of the pure pvp-red-in-tooth-and-claw brigade that an ordinary character could gain something special by simply having a conversation with a gm-played character peddling plot and rare equipment. But à guys à these things happen, they do in real-lifeÖ as well, lots of circumstance and fortunate events occur for those willing to be open and friendly and communicative. If you walk around close-minded and snarling all the time then you arenÆt going to benefit from either the kindness of strangers or the chance meeting that brings a lifetime friendship and bold creative partnership of likeminded souls.
There are more ways of playing this game than simple violent kill-or-be-killed absolutist full-tilt brutality. I commend CCP for this brave intention; and hope in time more people will come to see the advantage and flexibility of this approach.
And hell, instead of being jealous of the chapÆs 55m isk windfall, just go make some personal isk guys and be in a position to bid next time the jovian artefacts come on the market.
Or find another goal in-game à itÆs not all about money and modules à thereÆs politics too, and therein lies a lovely can of in-character worms ;)
Love and peace.
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Kel 'dra
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Posted - 2003.08.08 11:38:00 -
[129]
I just wanna see a printscreen... anyone wanna share :)
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2003.08.08 11:50:00 -
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I don't know what alot of you are whining about the miner is here the money is spent and thats it. do ccp replace my stuff when I lose it to bugs..NO so they lost a miner ahhh..thats sad now deal with it. TTI are within there rights to keep the item, if they lost it due to bug in game would ccp replace it for them? the answer is no. In a round about way ccp lost a miner to a player within the game Ironic or what and now ccp want it back..my answer is tell ccp to file a petition with TTI and wait for reply 
This is my opinion on this, I think everyone involved in this done it all within the rules of the game. So TTI got a new mining laser they have over 100 members or more is it really going to unbalance a corp of that size?
Corporal Hicks
Director Weylan Yutani Corp.
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Aradennise
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Posted - 2003.08.08 11:57:00 -
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There were 10 of these mining lasers in the game for a few weeks. CCP is trying to get them ALL back at the moment. Its not just Sanruu that got this item, many other people got the same item aswell.
So here is the question: Have these people been using these lasers for the past weeks? I imagine they could accumilate a nice load of ore with them :)
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Tilihad
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Posted - 2003.08.08 12:01:00 -
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I say let it stay in game...CCP pretty much threw game balance out the window with the rare loot drop nerfing and pirate boosting causing anyone that start the game now the inability to make huge amounts of money just by fighting using a frigate...i can't see how one (or two or three) mining lasers are going to make things worse..i am enjoying the game as it is right now and don't think things should be changed....a ccp artist made a mistake but it was roleplayed well so should've just been left in the game...at least that way when Reverse Engineering came out TTI could start producing them and then we would all have a chance to get one sooner than if we had to wait for CCP to officially release them.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.08.08 12:10:00 -
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I say, LOCK THIS THREAD PLEASEEEEE
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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2003.08.08 13:11:00 -
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Get a grip ppl. I have no problems with anyone getting one of these. Just like I have no problme with the people that hit the caravans that dropped all the harvestor drones. You don't think the made 50 mil of the drone sales?
Why is no one complaning about other people getting CU vapors which are no longer available.
Bottom line, if the item must be removed the only way I woulod have it done would be to simply have the item stop functioning.
RP: The incompadablity of the item caused it to mal function, and cause it's unknow tech can not be repaired.
As far as compensation, all the involved parties have already been compensated.
And too the GM that gave the item away, did we learn nothing from history. It was a carless visitor that gave bobble to a friendly human that allowed them to leapfrog 1000s of years ahead thus giving us the ability to colonize other galaxys millinia before we should have.
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Elusion Salvage
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Posted - 2003.08.08 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: t0rfiFrans on 07/08/2003 18:27:42
Regards
Torfi Frans
Lead Artist
CCP Games
Justed wanted to say.. Thanks you came forward with it. (Thumbs up) Thanks to CCP as well for finding a desent way to solve the mather.
This is the first time i have seen a delicate issue being admitted in online games.
Best way to deal with such issues.
Senceer regards,
Elusion Salvage.
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Kel 'dra
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Posted - 2003.08.08 13:45:00 -
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Why is no one complaning about other people getting CU vapors which are no longer available.
They are no longer available? I got one off pirate drop yesterday....
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Ayn Rand
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Posted - 2003.08.08 14:07:00 -
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Edited by: Ayn Rand on 08/08/2003 14:09:22
A quick note. This "55 million" is a figure that people keep using.
That is NOT what Taggart paid for it (as Saruu himself has said).
Saruu asked for something else, something unique to his situation, something that will remain undisclosed.
Taggart does many more things than simply accept "ISK" deals, as all corps do. Furthermore, no "ISK" value can be put on the accumulated man days, resources expended, blueprints used, military escorts, etc that went into the delivery of the trade item(s)/service(s)/ongoing deal(s) which Taggart will of course honor.
Also note we are very much under the "thumb" in this situation and will roleplay the situation with the Jovians. About an hour from now Ragnar will be meeting with the Jovian eldars (I assume Ragnar will post a follow up to this story with details of the Jovian meeting, if they decide to allow such information into the Empire) who say they have an offer he cannot refuse. That offer may very well be "We will allow you to leave alive," an offer that is indeed hard to resist.
Also, thank you Jade Constantine. You have indeed shown yourself to be a true friend of reason, rational thought, and capitalism. I am in your debt.
Ayn Rand
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Byterider
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Posted - 2003.08.08 14:49:00 -
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We so ~powa!
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.08.08 15:35:00 -
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Can I have one of these lasers ?
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slothe
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Posted - 2003.08.08 16:19:00 -
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best content yet.
please do not negotiate to get the item back. lets have an inter race war or something.
this may have been a mistake but its best thing to happen to game yet.
let some more stuff like this happen.......
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Draaven
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Posted - 2003.08.08 17:07:00 -
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Torfi,
I have to say that I am awed with the artwork that you and your team have produced for Eve. To put it mildly, it is absolutely stunning. I've never seen anything like it before, and I'm quite sure there's nothing else out there that can come close.
For myself and a lot of other players that I spend my online time with, it's the key component of what makes the Eve universe so addicting (it offsets issues still being worked out, and enriches the gameplay by leaps and bounds). I'm still amazed just docking at stations. The scale of everything is insane.
I'm sorry it took an incident like this to gain you the recognition that you deserve, but hey--"stuff" happens. I would find it disturbing if the involved parties were anything less than completely cooperative in returning the item.
At any rate, to you and the rest of the Eve Team, please--keep up the superb work. You guys have created a true masterpiece. These forums represent a tough crowd, a lot of them will never be happy. Don't worry about them--just keep up your tweaking and refinements, and they'll keep paying.
Best wishes,
Draaven
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t0rfiFrans
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Posted - 2003.08.08 17:30:00 -
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Quote:
Torfi,
I have to say that I am awed with the artwork that you and your team have produced for Eve.
Thanks Draaven. It should be noted though that it is Reynir Hardarsson who is Art Director / founder of CCP and deserves a lot of the credit for the look and feel of EVE.
Torfi
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Draaven
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Posted - 2003.08.08 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Draaven on 08/08/2003 17:46:21
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It should be noted though that it is Reynir Hardarsson who is Art Director / founder of CCP and deserves a lot of the credit for the look and feel of EVE.
Then I tip my hat to him as well, not only for having the vision of a universe like Eve, but for having the remarkable talent and relentless drive required to turn it into a virtual reality as well.
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Skel
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Posted - 2003.08.08 18:07:00 -
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Anyone wanna buy a jove mining laser tech 5 that I got off a 2k pirate?
Ill sell it for 55million isk |
Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.08.08 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dragon Emperor on 08/08/2003 19:21:45
If this time(the 2nd version of your story) *IS* true, then a dev/gm put his personal effect in game to a selected person/corp on a live server, Do I state it correct? If yes, then you were against EVERY MMORPG RULE. period.
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Aleister Crowley
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Posted - 2003.08.08 19:26:00 -
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J0sephine, and others pro this happening.
I hope you all feel the same way when your shiny new BS gets destroyed because some CCP employee decided that player X could have tech level 5 Large tach beams.
Also too all those in favor of this interaction should not complain about exploits, griefers and CTDs because those are in game too and hey they have RP back stories too:
Area loaded with cans: Let's deploy thousands of cannisters so that the on-board computers will overload.
Griefers: I was kicked out of "starting corp" and must seek revenge on all of it's participants, thuse griefing newbs in 1.0.
CTD: Emp storm, total blackout. Systems should be nominal in (about same time it takes to relog).
Yeah we can RP anything we want. However at what point does it become a form of cheating, bad code, or griefing?
Also too where is the statement of how they plan on preventing this in the future or catching other CCP employees from helping out their friends etc...
Or is this how the game is to work from here on out? First person a CCP employee sees gets the ONLY BP for hybrid ships just because?
I don't see this as a "fair/unfair" thing I see this as weakening the integrity of the game. If one person does it you can damn well bet someone else is doing it.
Thus my comment of buttering up CCP employees for out of bounds gains. This IS what happened. Call it RP or whatever you want.
Is the new consideration of doing well in this game now based off of my RL social skills? I have NP RPing and I do it in-game all the time. However in this case RP was an excuse to abuse the rules of the game.
A game is only as valuable as it's rules are adhered and enforced. Plain and simple. So is this the new rule? I must butter up CCP employees to gain advantage over the rest of the eve population?
And no this DOES NOT mirror RL. In RL Technology is come up with by hard work and thousands of man hours in Labs usually by a bunch of balding, overly stressed scientists.
Then it is stolen by spys who have been groomed from birth to infiltrate.
The RL equivalent would be God popping out of the sky and saying here your body is now immortal. Something completely un-attainable by any other person.
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Milos Oberonov
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Posted - 2003.08.08 20:31:00 -
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*sipping absinthe, eyeing the Jovian with disdain*
Let us not be disdainful, sir. After all, as they say, "Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder."
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nails
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Posted - 2003.08.08 20:43:00 -
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It's like a gift from the future lol.
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Jaabaa
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Posted - 2003.08.08 20:48:00 -
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OMG, what a week I missed being away on business 
As I understand it, a dev dropped 2 tech level 5 mining lasers into a tech level 1 system.
IMHO this should happen to me 
Be real, get a life, and accept the fact that people can make mistakes.
About giving everyone 55M isk, no thanks, he money I have was worked for, not a present.
And all this uproar about theses lasers ? . . . .
Tell me TTI is using it :) Let's see if I can get it after blowing the miner using it into space dust 
Be real, 1 (or 2) mining laser(s) are not going to totally destabalize the game.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.08 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 08/08/2003 21:29:16
"J0sephine, and others pro this happening.
I hope you all feel the same way when your shiny new BS gets destroyed because some CCP employee decided that player X could have tech level 5 Large tach beams. (..)"
Mr. Crowley, i wrote a fairly lengthy and detailed response to your note, which then unfortunately fell prey to some cryptic 'scripting error' of the forum. Since i can't really bring myself to type it all yet again, here's a rundown:
* no, wouldn't mind losing a ship to much better equipped enemy; no, don't care if it sounds hard to believe.
* if one cannot believe the impartiality of CCP employees running RP event, perhaps consequently they shouldn't also believe the game code and scripting is 'clean', being how it's done by the people of the very same company. If we're to be paranoid, at least let's make it a full-blown paranoia.
* i don't mind the griefers; equaling GMs with exploits (players' abuse of bugged code) and CTDs (direct results of bugged code) is really silly.
* please provide your own, possibly detailed, idea how more advanced items should be introduced to the players. At this point would honestly love to see solution which wouldn't cause at least half of playerbase start the "it's unfair!" riot.
* the research in EVE is not a mirror of research in RL. the background stories provide some good details on this issue. Neither way of acquring new tech in EVE described in those stories is "fair".
* the RL equivalent of the situation in question wouldn't involve God. It'd rather involve an UFO scooping one up and giving them a lollipop as compensation for sticking a probe up their ass. Which, minus the lollipop part, supposedly happens often enough to make some people wear tinfoil hats and never leave their house. :s
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