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Banana Torres	Posted - 2005.11.11 13:41:00 - [1] Well done to whoever designs the level one missions. A brand new player and newest member of my corp, just finished the first story line mission went to a level one agent in Vaere and asked for a mission. Deliver trash to Iges. Which of course is low sec. But mission goes ok. Next mission deliver stuff to Ruerrotta. Which is two jumps into low sec. He delivers the stuff ok, but is podded on the way back. Logs off. Next day the clone accident Eve mail arrives. So thank you very much to whoever thought it was a great idea to send a newbie into low sec for their first two missions.
Finix Jaeger	Posted - 2005.11.11 13:43:00 - [2] I'm pretty sure you get a "warning! Lowsecurity space ahead" warning both in the mission and when you actvate the gate to lowsec.... -------------------------
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.11.11 13:44:00 - [3] Yeah...but why is the mission there at all? What do you expect a newbie to do? Simply just sit at the gate confused? ~Captain Cutie, HFS Event Horizon Biomass fears me. Sovereignty 2.0
Wild Rho	Posted - 2005.11.11 13:44:00 - [4] tbh if thats his reaction to being killed for the first time he's probably saved himself a headache later on.
Druid R	Posted - 2005.11.11 13:48:00 - [5] does seem a bit mad. i remeber when i started (long ago) and i coul;dn't even do the tutorial mission as they had bug in them. you had to scoop a drone, and it wouldn't fit in my cargo, even when empty. so friendly chaps helped me out and told me what to do. Dru.
Nafri	Posted - 2005.11.11 13:55:00 - [6] not good, simply not good I hate it to explain the starters the game and that thy should petition it, also paying them a new ship -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscription canceled
Rider Zane	Posted - 2005.11.11 13:56:00 - [7] Originally by: Banana Torres ... So thank you very much to whoever thought it was a great idea to send a newbie into low sec for their first two missions. I agree that Lv 1 missions should not be sending noobs into low sec (submit bugreport) but theres a bigger issue here thats not entirely ccp's fault. When a new player joins a corporation, why do corporations no longer teach thier new members the basics of eve? Rule 1. if you jump into a low sec system you can get blown up by other players. Since when did corps stop caring about thier members? In the early days corps were like family, how common is that now, or is this just a snobbery of veterens to new players, rich to poor? Thats the problem with corporations today, they spam recruitment, but when you get in you just become another number in thier member count. Surely yourself, or experienced members or directors of your corporation should be looking after your new members a little better. Just my 2 isk.
TheJay	Posted - 2005.11.11 13:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Rider Zane Originally by: Banana Torres ... So thank you very much to whoever thought it was a great idea to send a newbie into low sec for their first two missions. I agree that Lv 1 missions should not be sending noobs into low sec (submit bugreport) but theres a bigger issue here thats not entirely ccp's fault. When a new player joins a corporation, why do corporations no longer teach thier new members the basics of eve? Rule 1. if you jump into a low sec system you can get blown up by other players. Since when did corps stop caring about thier members? In the early days corps were like family, how common is that now, or is this just a snobbery of veterens to new players, rich to poor? Thats the problem with corporations today, they spam recruitment, but when you get in you just become another number in thier member count. Surely yourself, or experienced members or directors of your corporation should be looking after your new members a little better. Just my 2 isk. My corps like a family
Banana Torres	Posted - 2005.11.11 14:00:00 - [9] Originally by: Wild Rho tbh if thats his reaction to being killed for the first time he's probably saved himself a headache later on. More likely is that he just rerolled a new character. I think he felt bad losing the ship he had just got from the corp.
Blanke	Posted - 2005.11.11 14:00:00 - [10] Boo frickin' hoo. This person was in your corp? Why didn't you... oh I don't know... help him? Point out to him that he should not do delivery missions so close to low sec space, because agents may send him into danger? Advise him to take the "Low Sec Warning!" seriously? Screen your corp inductees a little better to weed out people that quit after one podding? This flaming has been brought to you by the letters S, H, U, T, U, and P. ----------------- Warning: The above post and/or sig may contain hyperbole, sarcasm, typographical errors, misspellings, or a blatent disregard for the feelings and/or opinions of others.
gfldex	Posted - 2005.11.11 14:09:00 - [11] You won't get a warning message when you let the AP drive your ship. Neigther to low sec nor to 0.0 . It's a bug and i love it. :) -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
Ethidium Bromide	Posted - 2005.11.11 14:15:00 - [12] i got podded twice on my first day in eve back in the days when sarum prime used to be 0.4 and you came out at the long lost jump in points....(t u lilan khan) both while running missions and well ofc is was ****ed off but hey that's the price you pay for a game where almost everything is possible.
Irashi	Posted - 2005.11.11 14:20:00 - [13] I made a minmatar character a wee while ago, didn't stick with it but I noticed the tutorial storyline mission, 'Serve the cause' or whatever, sends you into Amarr space several times to bring refugees back to Minnie space. The route went through a few low sec systems, I remember seeing a stream of reaper newb frigates just autopiloting through these systems. Looked like a griefer's wet dream. __________________________________________________
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.11.11 14:24:00 - [14] buhu, get over it, read the mission descriptions - be glad he learnt that lesson before he had a head full of implants, hundreds of hours of gaming time and a high value cargo. The mission descriptions tell you it's bad, the jump prior to 0.4 tell you it's bad, perhaps it'd be better if he learnt to read? Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
gfldex	Posted - 2005.11.11 14:24:00 - [15] Edited by: gfldex on 11/11/2005 14:24:50 Originally by: Rider Zane When a new player joins a corporation, why do corporations no longer teach thier new members the basics of eve? They know everything better then you. They lose ships they got from corp to the same lvl 3 mission over and over again. Even if you tell them what skills they need _at_least_ to be successful. They judge older players after being two weeks in the game. Only the most patient don't get tired from being ignored all the time. I can remember a time when the internet was new to me. The bar to get access was way higher. I never got any flame in a game at this time. And ppl where able to express thankfulness after you teached them. /me feels sad -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
Vaugue	Posted - 2005.11.11 15:19:00 - [16] Edited by: Vaugue on 11/11/2005 15:22:37 the point is the first set of tutorial missions sends you into low secure .... I had the same issue 5 months ago. It bothered me a bit but i kept going. It has also happened on multiple occasions to new recruits in my core we have gotten... needless to say most of them didnt get passed the free trial... You do the deadspace tutorial and you are immidietly refered to a storyline agent in the Sobaseki Caldari Provisions Warehouse where you need to complete about 15-16 courier runs.. These are high faction storylinesnot something you just skip because they send you into low secure?? Not even in the game for a few hrs to 1 day and you send a guy to do a courier 3-4 jumps into low secure??? =========================================================== My Space
Toolbert	Posted - 2005.11.11 15:27:00 - [17] The sooner you get use to dieing in Eve-Online and accept it, the more fun you are going to have with this game. Every new player who logs into the game should be killed 10 straight times just to get them warmed up. Its been said repeatly over and over again, Eve-online is not a carebear game. As much as some people around here want to make it into one.
Lord Frost	Posted - 2005.11.11 15:30:00 - [18] Whats all this junk about "boo-hoo" get over it? I mean come on people... you can obviously leave more construsctive comments than that! Are you at all educated! ... oh nevermind, you're just another chestpopper. This is an issue when they send noobs to low sec. I'm sure to long time players its no big deal to lose a frig or a noob ship for that matter. But do you all forget what it was like to be a new guy? Not to mention how harder it is and longer it is now to train and build up your character. There is a warning, "low sec" ... but do they really know some gate ganker could snipe them with 1 shot? And not every corp can be a mother to all new members. If they dont ask questions, you cant expect to know what they are doing 100% of the time.
Vaugue	Posted - 2005.11.11 15:46:00 - [19] Edited by: Vaugue on 11/11/2005 15:55:53 Then noobs shouldn't get those storylines ... period. If they are going to go into low secure it should be on thier own accord not a tutorial mission.. Originally by: Toolbert The sooner you get use to dieing in Eve-Online and accept it, the more fun you are going to have with this game. Every new player who logs into the game should be killed 10 straight times just to get them warmed up. Its been said repeatly over and over again, Eve-online is not a carebear game. As much as some people around here want to make it into one. Eve is not a carebear game? I beg to differ on the changes in the last 2 patches and what's ahead to be served.... It is becoming "typical MMO" to say the least, other than the fact that i haven't played in 3-4 weeks and i still gain more skills . So you don't grind skills or levels... you still grind everything else. Gotta love Blackade Mission and rescuing the damsel 6-10 times a day. What us old school gamers and this new generation of gamers refer to as "hardcore" are two totaly different things =========================================================== My Space
Toolbert	Posted - 2005.11.11 15:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Lord Frost But do you all forget what it was like to be a new guy? Not to mention how harder it is and longer it is now to train and build up your character. I got lucky and came across a very helpful guide for newbies that listed pretty good steps on how to not get killed before I even joined the game.
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.11.11 16:05:00 - [21] It seems to be a common misconception in this game that there is somewhere, outside of being docked, that is 100% completely safe. It doesn't exist. As others have pointed out, there are numerous warnings for the sake of newer players indicating where that safeness percentage will drop dramatically, BEFORE they're in the position to be in more danger. People need to pay attention more. That being said, level 1 missions shouldn't ever send people into low security space like that. In fact I'd venture to say even level 2 ones should do so only rarely, and reward the player accordingly. Level 3 and 4, all bets are off in my opinion. winterblink warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
BurnHard	Posted - 2005.11.11 16:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Dianabolic buhu, get over it, read the mission descriptions - be glad he learnt that lesson before he had a head full of implants, hundreds of hours of gaming time and a high value cargo. The mission descriptions tell you it's bad, the jump prior to 0.4 tell you it's bad, perhaps it'd be better if he learnt to read? What a dumbass post and a totally anti-social reaction you've made there. New players keep the game fresh because old players like you become like incontinent OAP's in Nursing Homes constantly whinging about all the "darkies" there are these days. Have some compassion and sympathy. Most of all, just roll up and say "it's an error in gameplay and should be fixed" - new players rely on older players to show some level of moderation. Moderation is something that is sadly lacking in the griefing community imho.
Soren	Posted - 2005.11.11 16:16:00 - [23] One of my very first mission when I had JUST started I went out to 0.0 (don't remember where at all.. didn't care to take notice of the map then ) I accepted a mission and my corpie (Sara Kerrigan) said I was going to get pwnt hard... Well, I think I was able to do 1 or so, then it asked me to go mine, so I went and fit my nubie laser and went to a belt, and after mining for a bit some scary cruiser NPCs spawned and wtfpwnt me. Moral of the story - Who cares if you die so early in the game.. You really have nothing to loose, you learn a cheap lesson (and there are very expensive lessons in Eve) and you may end up being addicted to the game anyways and spend the next few years of your life playing it. _______________________________________________
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.11.11 16:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Banana Torres Well done to whoever designs the level one missions. A brand new player and newest member of my corp, just finished the first story line mission went to a level one agent in Vaere and asked for a mission. Deliver trash to Iges. Which of course is low sec. But mission goes ok. Next mission deliver stuff to Ruerrotta. Which is two jumps into low sec. He delivers the stuff ok, but is podded on the way back. Logs off. Next day the clone accident Eve mail arrives. So thank you very much to whoever thought it was a great idea to send a newbie into low sec for their first two missions. First off, it aint a tutorial mission, but a level one mission. Secondly, choose a better agent and he should now know low sec = bad news for new guys.... hell, tis more dangerous than 0.0
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.11.11 16:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Dianabolic buhu, get over it, read the mission descriptions - be glad he learnt that lesson before he had a head full of implants, hundreds of hours of gaming time and a high value cargo. The mission descriptions tell you it's bad, the jump prior to 0.4 tell you it's bad, perhaps it'd be better if he learnt to read? Shut up for once. New players deserve at least a modicum of coddling. It makes no sense to send them to Gondista or Amamake on day 2. I think people do "get over it". It can be improved though cant it?
Trader Klyde	Posted - 2005.11.11 16:35:00 - [26] New players have enough trouble attempting to figure out the controls, how to use the market, how to do anything in the game as it is, much less be sent to low sec in a ship that blows up if a strong fart hits it. The starter agent missions were not supposed to send them into low sec, it was a bug introduced with Exodus, and was supposedly fixed some patches back. If you have new players entering your corp, spend a few minutes explaining this to them. If they are given a mission that sends them to low sec, they need to file a petition on it. Also, new players should be advised on how to set their map and autopilot settings. And FYI, if you are flying on autopilot, there is no warning given when jumping into a low sec system. That should be fixed so that it drops you from autopilot when approaching a low sec gate, and then pops the notice up. After that it's up to the player to decide to keep going. New players are any games lifeblood, they are what keeps it growing and going. ________________________________________________ From deep in space where nobody hears my screams... Sometimes in fear, sometimes in anger, mostly just my singing style.
Cribb	Posted - 2005.11.11 16:54:00 - [27] Was this a training mission or a lev 1? If it was the latter then there is this small matter off declining the mission! And logging of while podded in low sec is well not smart. I think the responsability is mainly to blame at the corp for not teaching there new members the ropes. What is next a noob is killed on his 1st kill mission and starts complaining about it that it's to hard ?
HostageTaker	Posted - 2005.11.11 16:57:00 - [28] Survival of the fittest tbh...
Zekks MarKeys	Posted - 2005.11.11 17:27:00 - [29] /me pulls up a chair and sits by the fire smoking his pipe in a sage like manner. Back in my day there was no such thing as a tutorial. My tutorial was sitting there scribbling valuble bits of information on a note pad. Spoilt the youth of today are tut tut tut.
Foomanshoe	Posted - 2005.11.11 17:38:00 - [30] Originally by: Finix Jaeger I'm pretty sure you get a "warning! Lowsecurity space ahead" warning both in the mission and when you actvate the gate to lowsec.... It does. If hes doing L1 missions in space in or right next door to low sec space hes gonna get trips to low sec space. If he deletes his character cause he died, well, EVEs alot harder then loosing a frigate sometimes and games not for him. _______________________________________________ Originally by: Oveur To the nerfmobile!

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