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Banana Torres
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Posted - 2005.11.11 13:41:00 -
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Well done to whoever designs the level one missions.
A brand new player and newest member of my corp, just finished the first story line mission went to a level one agent in Vaere and asked for a mission.
Deliver trash to Iges. Which of course is low sec. But mission goes ok.
Next mission deliver stuff to Ruerrotta. Which is two jumps into low sec. He delivers the stuff ok, but is podded on the way back.
Logs off. Next day the clone accident Eve mail arrives.
So thank you very much to whoever thought it was a great idea to send a newbie into low sec for their first two missions.
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2005.11.11 13:43:00 -
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I'm pretty sure you get a "warning! Lowsecurity space ahead" warning both in the mission and when you actvate the gate to lowsec....
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.11.11 13:44:00 -
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Yeah...but why is the mission there at all?
What do you expect a newbie to do? Simply just sit at the gate confused?
~Captain Cutie, HFS Event Horizon
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.11.11 13:44:00 -
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tbh if thats his reaction to being killed for the first time he's probably saved himself a headache later on.
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Druid R
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Posted - 2005.11.11 13:48:00 -
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does seem a bit mad. i remeber when i started (long ago) and i coul;dn't even do the tutorial mission as they had bug in them. you had to scoop a drone, and it wouldn't fit in my cargo, even when empty. so friendly chaps helped me out and told me what to do.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.11.11 13:55:00 -
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not good, simply not good
I hate it to explain the starters the game and that thy should petition it, also paying them a new ship 
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Rider Zane
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Posted - 2005.11.11 13:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Banana Torres
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So thank you very much to whoever thought it was a great idea to send a newbie into low sec for their first two missions.
I agree that Lv 1 missions should not be sending noobs into low sec (submit bugreport) but theres a bigger issue here thats not entirely ccp's fault.
When a new player joins a corporation, why do corporations no longer teach thier new members the basics of eve? Rule 1. if you jump into a low sec system you can get blown up by other players. Since when did corps stop caring about thier members? In the early days corps were like family, how common is that now, or is this just a snobbery of veterens to new players, rich to poor?
Thats the problem with corporations today, they spam recruitment, but when you get in you just become another number in thier member count. Surely yourself, or experienced members or directors of your corporation should be looking after your new members a little better.
Just my 2 isk.
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TheJay
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Posted - 2005.11.11 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rider Zane
Originally by: Banana Torres
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So thank you very much to whoever thought it was a great idea to send a newbie into low sec for their first two missions.
I agree that Lv 1 missions should not be sending noobs into low sec (submit bugreport) but theres a bigger issue here thats not entirely ccp's fault.
When a new player joins a corporation, why do corporations no longer teach thier new members the basics of eve? Rule 1. if you jump into a low sec system you can get blown up by other players. Since when did corps stop caring about thier members? In the early days corps were like family, how common is that now, or is this just a snobbery of veterens to new players, rich to poor?
Thats the problem with corporations today, they spam recruitment, but when you get in you just become another number in thier member count. Surely yourself, or experienced members or directors of your corporation should be looking after your new members a little better.
Just my 2 isk.
My corps like a family 
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Banana Torres
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Posted - 2005.11.11 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
tbh if thats his reaction to being killed for the first time he's probably saved himself a headache later on.
More likely is that he just rerolled a new character. I think he felt bad losing the ship he had just got from the corp.
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Blanke
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Posted - 2005.11.11 14:00:00 -
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Boo frickin' hoo. This person was in your corp? Why didn't you... oh I don't know... help him? Point out to him that he should not do delivery missions so close to low sec space, because agents may send him into danger? Advise him to take the "Low Sec Warning!" seriously? Screen your corp inductees a little better to weed out people that quit after one podding?
This flaming has been brought to you by the letters S, H, U, T, U, and P.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2005.11.11 14:09:00 -
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You won't get a warning message when you let the AP drive your ship. Neigther to low sec nor to 0.0 . It's a bug and i love it. :)
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2005.11.11 14:15:00 -
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i got podded twice on my first day in eve back in the days when sarum prime used to be 0.4 and you came out at the long lost jump in points....(t u lilan khan )
both while running missions and well ofc is was ****ed off but hey that's the price you pay for a game where almost everything is possible.
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Irashi
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Posted - 2005.11.11 14:20:00 -
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I made a minmatar character a wee while ago, didn't stick with it but I noticed the tutorial storyline mission, 'Serve the cause' or whatever, sends you into Amarr space several times to bring refugees back to Minnie space. The route went through a few low sec systems, I remember seeing a stream of reaper newb frigates just autopiloting through these systems. Looked like a griefer's wet dream.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.11.11 14:24:00 -
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buhu, get over it, read the mission descriptions - be glad he learnt that lesson before he had a head full of implants, hundreds of hours of gaming time and a high value cargo.
The mission descriptions tell you it's bad, the jump prior to 0.4 tell you it's bad, perhaps it'd be better if he learnt to read?
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2005.11.11 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: gfldex on 11/11/2005 14:24:50
Originally by: Rider Zane
When a new player joins a corporation, why do corporations no longer teach thier new members the basics of eve?
They know everything better then you. They lose ships they got from corp to the same lvl 3 mission over and over again. Even if you tell them what skills they need _at_least_ to be successful. They judge older players after being two weeks in the game.
Only the most patient don't get tired from being ignored all the time.
I can remember a time when the internet was new to me. The bar to get access was way higher. I never got any flame in a game at this time. And ppl where able to express thankfulness after you teached them.
/me feels sad
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2005.11.11 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Vaugue on 11/11/2005 15:22:37
the point is the first set of tutorial missions sends you into low secure .... I had the same issue 5 months ago. It bothered me a bit but i kept going. It has also happened on multiple occasions to new recruits in my core we have gotten... needless to say most of them didnt get passed the free trial...
You do the deadspace tutorial and you are immidietly refered to a storyline agent in the Sobaseki Caldari Provisions Warehouse where you need to complete about 15-16 courier runs.. These are high faction storylinesnot something you just skip because they send you into low secure?? Not even in the game for a few hrs to 1 day and you send a guy to do a courier 3-4 jumps into low secure???
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Toolbert
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Posted - 2005.11.11 15:27:00 -
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The sooner you get use to dieing in Eve-Online and accept it, the more fun you are going to have with this game. Every new player who logs into the game should be killed 10 straight times just to get them warmed up. Its been said repeatly over and over again, Eve-online is not a carebear game. As much as some people around here want to make it into one.
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2005.11.11 15:30:00 -
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Whats all this junk about "boo-hoo" get over it? I mean come on people... you can obviously leave more construsctive comments than that! Are you at all educated! ... oh nevermind, you're just another chestpopper.
This is an issue when they send noobs to low sec. I'm sure to long time players its no big deal to lose a frig or a noob ship for that matter. But do you all forget what it was like to be a new guy? Not to mention how harder it is and longer it is now to train and build up your character.
There is a warning, "low sec" ... but do they really know some gate ganker could snipe them with 1 shot? And not every corp can be a mother to all new members. If they dont ask questions, you cant expect to know what they are doing 100% of the time.
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2005.11.11 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Vaugue on 11/11/2005 15:55:53
Then noobs shouldn't get those storylines ... period. If they are going to go into low secure it should be on thier own accord not a tutorial mission..
Originally by: Toolbert
The sooner you get use to dieing in Eve-Online and accept it, the more fun you are going to have with this game. Every new player who logs into the game should be killed 10 straight times just to get them warmed up. Its been said repeatly over and over again, Eve-online is not a carebear game. As much as some people around here want to make it into one.
Eve is not a carebear game? I beg to differ on the changes in the last 2 patches and what's ahead to be served.... It is becoming "typical MMO" to say the least, other than the fact that i haven't played in 3-4 weeks and i still gain more skills . So you don't grind skills or levels... you still grind everything else. Gotta love Blackade Mission and rescuing the damsel 6-10 times a day.
What us old school gamers and this new generation of gamers refer to as "hardcore" are two totaly different things
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Toolbert
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Posted - 2005.11.11 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Frost
But do you all forget what it was like to be a new guy? Not to mention how harder it is and longer it is now to train and build up your character.
I got lucky and came across a very helpful guide for newbies that listed pretty good steps on how to not get killed before I even joined the game. 
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.11.11 16:05:00 -
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It seems to be a common misconception in this game that there is somewhere, outside of being docked, that is 100% completely safe. It doesn't exist.
As others have pointed out, there are numerous warnings for the sake of newer players indicating where that safeness percentage will drop dramatically, BEFORE they're in the position to be in more danger. People need to pay attention more.
That being said, level 1 missions shouldn't ever send people into low security space like that. In fact I'd venture to say even level 2 ones should do so only rarely, and reward the player accordingly. Level 3 and 4, all bets are off in my opinion.
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2005.11.11 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
buhu, get over it, read the mission descriptions - be glad he learnt that lesson before he had a head full of implants, hundreds of hours of gaming time and a high value cargo.
The mission descriptions tell you it's bad, the jump prior to 0.4 tell you it's bad, perhaps it'd be better if he learnt to read?
What a dumbass post and a totally anti-social reaction you've made there. New players keep the game fresh because old players like you become like incontinent OAP's in Nursing Homes constantly whinging about all the "darkies" there are these days.
Have some compassion and sympathy. Most of all, just roll up and say "it's an error in gameplay and should be fixed" - new players rely on older players to show some level of moderation. Moderation is something that is sadly lacking in the griefing community imho.
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Soren
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Posted - 2005.11.11 16:16:00 -
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One of my very first mission when I had JUST started I went out to 0.0 (don't remember where at all.. didn't care to take notice of the map then  ) I accepted a mission and my corpie (Sara Kerrigan) said I was going to get pwnt hard...
Well, I think I was able to do 1 or so, then it asked me to go mine, so I went and fit my nubie laser and went to a belt, and after mining for a bit some scary cruiser NPCs spawned and wtfpwnt me.
Moral of the story - Who cares if you die so early in the game.. You really have nothing to loose, you learn a cheap lesson (and there are very expensive lessons in Eve) and you may end up being addicted to the game anyways and spend the next few years of your life playing it.
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.11.11 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
Well done to whoever designs the level one missions.
A brand new player and newest member of my corp, just finished the first story line mission went to a level one agent in Vaere and asked for a mission.
Deliver trash to Iges. Which of course is low sec. But mission goes ok.
Next mission deliver stuff to Ruerrotta. Which is two jumps into low sec. He delivers the stuff ok, but is podded on the way back.
Logs off. Next day the clone accident Eve mail arrives.
So thank you very much to whoever thought it was a great idea to send a newbie into low sec for their first two missions.
First off, it aint a tutorial mission, but a level one mission. Secondly, choose a better agent and he should now know low sec = bad news for new guys.... hell, tis more dangerous than 0.0
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.11.11 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
buhu, get over it, read the mission descriptions - be glad he learnt that lesson before he had a head full of implants, hundreds of hours of gaming time and a high value cargo.
The mission descriptions tell you it's bad, the jump prior to 0.4 tell you it's bad, perhaps it'd be better if he learnt to read?
Shut up for once.
New players deserve at least a modicum of coddling. It makes no sense to send them to Gondista or Amamake on day 2.
I think people do "get over it". It can be improved though cant it?
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Trader Klyde
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Posted - 2005.11.11 16:35:00 -
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New players have enough trouble attempting to figure out the controls, how to use the market, how to do anything in the game as it is, much less be sent to low sec in a ship that blows up if a strong fart hits it.
The starter agent missions were not supposed to send them into low sec, it was a bug introduced with Exodus, and was supposedly fixed some patches back.
If you have new players entering your corp, spend a few minutes explaining this to them. If they are given a mission that sends them to low sec, they need to file a petition on it. Also, new players should be advised on how to set their map and autopilot settings.
And FYI, if you are flying on autopilot, there is no warning given when jumping into a low sec system. That should be fixed so that it drops you from autopilot when approaching a low sec gate, and then pops the notice up. After that it's up to the player to decide to keep going.
New players are any games lifeblood, they are what keeps it growing and going.
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Cribb
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Posted - 2005.11.11 16:54:00 -
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Was this a training mission or a lev 1?
If it was the latter then there is this small matter off declining the mission!
And logging of while podded in low sec is well not smart. I think the responsability is mainly to blame at the corp for not teaching there new members the ropes.
What is next a noob is killed on his 1st kill mission and starts complaining about it that it's to hard ?
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HostageTaker
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Posted - 2005.11.11 16:57:00 -
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Survival of the fittest tbh...
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Zekks MarKeys
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Posted - 2005.11.11 17:27:00 -
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/me pulls up a chair and sits by the fire smoking his pipe in a sage like manner. Back in my day there was no such thing as a tutorial. My tutorial was sitting there scribbling valuble bits of information on a note pad. Spoilt the youth of today are tut tut tut.
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2005.11.11 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Finix Jaeger
I'm pretty sure you get a "warning! Lowsecurity space ahead" warning both in the mission and when you actvate the gate to lowsec....
It does. If hes doing L1 missions in space in or right next door to low sec space hes gonna get trips to low sec space. If he deletes his character cause he died, well, EVEs alot harder then loosing a frigate sometimes and games not for him.
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To the nerfmobile!
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Moghydin
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Posted - 2005.11.11 17:50:00 -
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Tutorial missions sending new players to low sec is plain wrong. I remember I had several tutorial missions that sent me to Gallente space and I had to go through 2 low sec systems. Back then I thougth that if I do everything right I won't get killed. I really wasn't killed then, but only because I was lucky  .
I'm really surprized that this issue is still unaddressed by CCP as after CW patch going from 1 empire space to that of another empire got even more dangerous.
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2005.11.11 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Professor McFly on 11/11/2005 17:51:13
Originally by: Foomanshoe
Originally by: Finix Jaeger
I'm pretty sure you get a "warning! Lowsecurity space ahead" warning both in the mission and when you actvate the gate to lowsec....
It does. If hes doing L1 missions in space in or right next door to low sec space hes gonna get trips to low sec space. If he deletes his character cause he died, well, EVEs alot harder then loosing a frigate sometimes and games not for him.
Actually, when I had my first trial account, I didn't continue playing after I lost my prized Rifter to a gate sniper in my last few days. It really put me off the game, and I ended up playing Lineage 2 instead which was just coming out of beta. Of course, those kinds of games just don't last, and here I am.
Eve is definitely "for me", but I wouldn't have come back if my brother didn't already play it. The point is that Eve back then had a steep and unforgiving learning curve, which can put newbies off it - which is a shame since many of them could very well have become huge fans (like me). I'm sure it's better these days, but sounds like it could still use a little work here and there still.
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Josclyn Verreuil
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Posted - 2005.11.11 18:14:00 -
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Meh, any agents near low sec will send people to low sec. Solution- change agents. That said, I have no sympathy for the cloning accident, there is a whole section in the aurora tutorials on cloning now.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.11.11 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Dianabolic
buhu, get over it, read the mission descriptions - be glad he learnt that lesson before he had a head full of implants, hundreds of hours of gaming time and a high value cargo.
The mission descriptions tell you it's bad, the jump prior to 0.4 tell you it's bad, perhaps it'd be better if he learnt to read?
Shut up for once.
New players deserve at least a modicum of coddling. It makes no sense to send them to Gondista or Amamake on day 2.
I think people do "get over it". It can be improved though cant it?
2 things, Deja:
1 - No, I will not "shut up". I started when there was NO agent library, it was all agent referrals. There was no sentry guns, nothing. All I had to help ME was the "this is dangerous" popup which, like most people, I just completely ignored. It cost me a few pods. Did I whine? No. Did I get over it? Yes. It made me stronger, I'm still here - if people are so goddamn weak that they can't read, can't learn and just WHINE then I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for them.
2 - Notice that it isn't the pilot that lost his pod, it isn't the newb that died, it's one of his corp members that is whining, not because he died, but because he then had to answer him and help him.
The new pilot will take this as a lesson learned, wtf is the op's excuse?
THERE IS NOT A PATCH FOR HUMAN STUPIDITY!!!
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.11.11 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Frost
chestpopper.
Where on earth do people come up with these idiotic titles..? Seriously 
Anyhows, instead of posting about it on the forum you should go bug report it. Maybe then itll actually get changed.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.11.11 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rider Zane
Originally by: Banana Torres
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So thank you very much to whoever thought it was a great idea to send a newbie into low sec for their first two missions.
I agree that Lv 1 missions should not be sending noobs into low sec (submit bugreport) but theres a bigger issue here thats not entirely ccp's fault.
When a new player joins a corporation, why do corporations no longer teach thier new members the basics of eve? Rule 1. if you jump into a low sec system you can get blown up by other players. Since when did corps stop caring about thier members? In the early days corps were like family, how common is that now, or is this just a snobbery of veterens to new players, rich to poor?
Thats the problem with corporations today, they spam recruitment, but when you get in you just become another number in thier member count. Surely yourself, or experienced members or directors of your corporation should be looking after your new members a little better.
Just my 2 isk.
Because new members are seen as security risks instead of students. 1.5 years ago, that wasn't the case.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.11 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 11/11/2005 18:50:33
Who the hell does lvl 1 missions? How about you teach your corp member he can save tons of time training up social and connections to III and just skip them.
I figured that out on my own day 1.
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Blanke
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Posted - 2005.11.11 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 11/11/2005 18:50:33
Who the hell does lvl 1 missions?
Noobs do. That's why they are called "level 1", suggesting that a person should do these levels first, before moving on. If you were tough enough to do lvl 2's right out of the gate, my hat is off to you, but most people aren't.
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Dcap
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Posted - 2005.11.11 20:07:00 -
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This game is about taking risks, when I just started one or two of the first level missions tried to send me to low sec space. I refused one, tried another, got taken down to structure and lost my first frig! Taught me a lesson, practice until u are comfortable with either your ship, level and sec then u might be ready to move on to something more challenging.
Its a hard lesson but unless u are prepared to lose sometimes u wont get the best out of this game.
Teach your peeps to enjoy the risks and they will enjoy the game, either that or stick to mining in 1.0 space.
Good Hunting
DCap
I'm a miner, is that why I keep digging my own grave?
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Naurhir
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Posted - 2005.11.11 20:30:00 -
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One less retard to deal with; how is this a bad thing?
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Drew Peacock
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Posted - 2005.11.11 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Naurhir
One less retard to deal with; how is this a bad thing?
Didn't know you were leaving the game. But, hay, as you say, one less retard.
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.11.11 23:15:00 -
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Yay for alt flaming.....
I say anything that forces people into low-sec is good. Doesn't matter what level. The sooner people learn they're going to lose ships....lots of ships...the less we'll get people screaming "ALL PvP 'R GR33FERS BANHAMMER XPLOIT!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111!!!".
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.11.11 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Dove
Yay for alt flaming.....
I say anything that forces people into low-sec is good. Doesn't matter what level. The sooner people learn they're going to lose ships....lots of ships...the less we'll get people screaming "ALL PvP 'R GR33FERS BANHAMMER XPLOIT!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111!!!".
Exactly.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.11.12 00:49:00 -
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I don't belive the op was actualy saying omg greifers, it's more the point that such low level agents used by new unexperienced players send you into areas that are very dangerious, on principle that shouldn't realy be the case.
I well understand the views of the more expierenced players in this thread, giving their viewpoint with greater hindsight on the situation of 'dangerous' space.
What they must ofcourse realise is that there own tenacious views on not getting such things get them down and out.. maybe isn't the view of everybody, and certainly id think fair to say a great proportion of the newer players entering eve.
Id think it's quite fair to also say that ccp are aware of that, and my fullest belief is that this will be addressed, like a good many issues.
Things like no sentry guns, weak concord, starter systems next to 0.4 systems ect....
While people like dianoblic might have overcome ccp's shortcommings in failing to protect new.. and players in general during their induction to the mmo market (they addmitted as much to that) Lots of other players simpley left eve because they were sick of it at the time.
People should realy think about that, when there calling for an all out ffa.
It's never, never going to happen.
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Necolycan
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Posted - 2005.11.12 02:01:00 -
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I see nothing wrong with it. Teaches you what low sec is about. Most of the time it's safe as well. Learn how to use the map and learn how to avoid death before you walk on in there.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.11.12 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
THERE IS NOT A PATCH FOR HUMAN STUPIDITY!!!
Good to see you're in a good mood this evening ya big misery
Eve Blacklight Style
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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2005.11.12 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
THERE IS NOT A PATCH FOR HUMAN STUPIDITY!!!
I need a new sig :) Cheers.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.11.12 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Dianabolic
THERE IS NOT A PATCH FOR HUMAN STUPIDITY!!!
Good to see you're in a good mood this evening ya big misery
I can't take credit for it, I'm afraid, that has to go to BDCI, they put it on Oveurs fanfest sig 
As for misery, I'm still smiling, yeah yeah yeah... 
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2005.11.12 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 12/11/2005 05:19:36
I wonder what has changed.
When I started this char back in April 2004, the tutorial we have now wasn't there. I had no clue about anything, even flew for the wrong agent for a few days until I got that mega transport mission with my fighter char in his rifter.
And I had also no clue about how the security system works exactly.
My first agents didn't send me around in low sec. But I got the message, that it's a pvp game with pirates right on the first day.
I thought that I'm really safe in 1.0 and 0.9, because Concorde protects me there, but I thought that people could even kill me in 0.7 and 0.6 and get away with it, although with a big security hit.
So my understanding of the map was: Green and blue system safe, yellow = it's getting dangerous, orange and red = evil evil pirate land. That's where the outlaws live, they would try to kill me.
So I watched my back when I did my first missions in 0.7 and wondered, if the 3 people in local in 0.6 (Wirdalen) would kill me. Like I said, I had no clue.
Later I understood how it works and lived for a long time in 0.2, knew who's a threat and who just passes by like the CA on their travels to empire and so everything was fine. And now I'm in 0.0.
Maybe the nice tutorials forget to teach new players that EVE is a dangerous place. They think, everyone is nice to them and that they can 'carebear' around like in an other game.
And then some lvl.1 agent sends them in low sec and they get podded.
Like I said, I had no tutorial, was on my own and it was quite hard to learn how the game works, but I had the paranoia about being killed by outlaws right from the beginning and that was really good. I'd say that I wish somehow that the game was really a more like that.
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Kira Bellum
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Posted - 2005.11.12 06:31:00 -
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when i first started in eve i did my research. i knew low sec was a danger ground and i avoided it at ALL costs. including failing/rejecting agent missions. back in the day i remember accepting missions only to curse upon looking at teh map and realizing it was low sec.
then i grew some balls and it wasnt so bad hehe. my first reaction was an over reaction. but i did the research and i was prepared.
the fault is NOT CCPS FAULT. you have a warning before you can jump to low sec. you are an individual and are responsible for yourself. normally i would say "welcome to america, the land of the free" but i dont know if you live in america or not. the rest of the quoteis soemthing like where you are free to screw up.
CCP will not hold your hand and prevent you from dieing. eve is a hardcore PvP game.... or at least it started that way.
second point, as i recall a patch came through which stated missions screens would have a big blaring warning if they invovled low security travel.... is this not the case?
your friend blatanly CHOOSE to ignore the warnings, and his ACTIVE choice to continue ahead like an ostrich with its head in the sand is what killed him. DO NOT mistake this for somehow ccp being responsible for your friends stupidity. stupid people should be killed because of thier stupid actions that put them in harms way.
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2005.11.12 07:41:00 -
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Unbelievably, as someone who ends up doing the podding in a lot of these sad situations, let me say:
SIGNED
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CCP, stop sending n00bs into low sec.
Yes, they have a warning, but in all honesty -- most of them don't *really* understand what low sec is all about. I for one, am sick of podding new players -- to the point where I've started letting them live, because I just feel TOO much the bad guy podding 4 day old players.
But, PLEASE, can't we just avoid this situation by not having any level 1 (maybe even level 1 and level 2) agents located in >=0.5 send players to, or through low-sec.
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
In short:
Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2005.11.12 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Lord Frost
chestpopper.
Where on earth do people come up with these idiotic titles..? Seriously
Hey, that guy was calling pirates 'chestpoppers' a few weeks ago. It kinda weirded me out a little. Like, what is a 'chestpopper'? ::fear::
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
In short:
Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.12 07:53:00 -
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if near low sec agents will send u there if near 0.0 low sec agents will send u into 0.0 as well (always check map for destination before accepting offer if u dont like it knock it back) have 10-20 agents that u can use within a 20 jump radius move around chasing the best missions
Quite often u can move low - high sec and back again with no problems use a alt scout to scout ahead
And im signing this petition to stop the carebears whining
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Shugo Kazuma
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Posted - 2005.11.12 08:26:00 -
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I think it would be a pretty good thing to keep lvl 1 agents from sending people through lowsec. Just on the principal that new players would be incredibly offput by loosing that frigate that probably costs half their isk plus weapons etc. You have to remember that newb players running lvl 1 missions generally aren't making an income where they can just on a whim replace destroyed frigates. It costs them a significant portion of their isk fortunes to replace and re-equip if they aren't recieveing help.
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